Why The West Is DESTROYING Religion
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
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In this conversation between Zuby and Michael Shellenberger, they discuss the modern manifestation of religious impulses in secular society. They observe how various movements, from woke culture to pandemic responses, often adopt religious fervor. Shellenberger notes a softening of views towards traditional religions like Christianity, even among former atheists or agnostics.
They explore how the rejection of traditional religions hasn't led to the expected hyper-rational, kinder world but has instead left a void filled with secular, often divisive beliefs. They touch on media portrayals of religion, noting a lack of positive depictions. The conversation extends to the emergence of new secular "religions," such as the UFO movement, which draws in those seeking meaning outside traditional religious structures. Overall, they reflect on the human tendency towards religious or spiritual seeking and how it manifests in various forms in contemporary society.
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Biggest misconception people have, is that humans are good by nature and we could all kumbaya without God.
Are you suggesting that those who haven't a belief in the reality of any god are the problem?
True. We're savage by nature. Being civil is a choice that we make, and it takes work.
@@FranG1214 right. Religion never would make us do bad thing such as owning a slave, executing people that r blasphemous or different religion, committing genocide, starting a war, enforce their beliefs into others etc..
You cannot believe in the Theory of Evolution and believe that human nature is peaceful. Chimps and apes from different groups will rip each other apart for no reason at all. We aren’t that much different.
@@totalstrangerthing7419 Religion is imperfect like many other things, but it's not without it's merits.
No wonder YT doesn't recommend a channel that I'm subbed to at maximum notifications. You're getting into the REAL talk
Zuby = schadow ban
The leftists at YT implemented another trick in the last few months. YT history doesn't record +90% of what I view so a can't find stuff I watched even a day ago.
Up to date Android+YT, no custom stuff. They just decided to gaslight users.
YT censoring everyone hard on this channel now.
I'm seeing lots of people's posts and call outs disappearing every time I go though the comments.
YT censored me multiple times on this and other threads.
Russle brand is another one, unless I go find his channel I never see his vids
I didn’t expect religion to be replaced by social justice and LGBTQ agenda.
Doesnt social justice and religion have the exact same goals? Love thy neighbor. Be kind to all people no matter their backgrounds? Unless LGBTQ people asking to murder people it sounds like they are just asking to be respected the same as sis people.
Why not?
@@JohnSmith-yc6uv seems pretty obvious that religion would be replaced by something.
@@johnnygoodman2003
Exactly.
took a hot minute to categorize 'em as a cult
I live in Minnesota and I was seeing bumper stickers with "In Fauci we trust" I was like what kind of brainwashing is happening!?!?
I believe that was sarcasm.
Communist brainwashing, seriously. Covid, the rainbow cult, environmentalism, BLM, believing Islam is well meaning, picking sides in manufactured wars...
All parts or the whole in the elite's push for communism. Those who fervently embraced masks, or "trans", or see racism where there is none those people are the useful idiots and they are exceptionally dangerous.
Sarchasm bumper stickers poking fun at the branch covidian cult.
I see YT censoring comments on this topic already.
Test post.
I have been anti-religion most of my life but now I'm curious about it. Anything that the ruling class considers a threat is probably something we all need to be open to or supportive of 💯
"The ruling class"? Heh, heh. Where do you live? Here in America, our government is controlled by Christians at _every_ level. And I doubt very much if the "ruling class" in majority Muslim countries - or in Israel or India, for that matter - is "anti-religion." Just the reverse, in fact.
Anyway, I'd be a little wary of accepting uncritically anything _these_ guys say - or that anyone says on CZcams, for that matter. But the idea that there's a "ruling class" which is anti-religion - rather than _using_ religion for their own economic and political power - is just silly.
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Exodus 32: 1-8
Its religious alright, but its most certainty not Christianity.
@Bill_Garthright I'm in the USA.. Which was founded on Judeo-Christian values and ruled for many years with those standards in mind. However, Christians and their values are currently under attack and the USA is in the midst of a cultural revolution that seeks to destroy those values. Like I said in my original comment, I'm not religious but I see the writing on the wall.
@@Noname-lw6hp I will do that. Thank you..
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Jordan Peterson is _such_ a loon. I can't imagine how anyone can take his word-salad seriously. But I'm willing to learn. So tell me, please, how the Exodus, of all things, applies to modern society?
Book of Eli. Not as respected as it should be. Just my opinion.
Such an awesome film. The scene with the Bible being printed with that great soundtrack playing in the background always gives me goosebumps.
Now that was some good shit
Hi 🙋♂️
Gonna watch this whole episode -- outstanding conversation.
At this point even an atheist has to see that religion is at least necessary for culture.
No, it isn’t. That religions have for millennia capitalized on humans inability to answer questions or our innate fears of the unknown by offering answers to those things, does not mean it’s necessary for a culture to exist.
We're past the era where "culture" is relevant and thats okay, we shall strive for something greater. Open your mind.
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Without religion a culture degenerates
I feel like there is a higher authority or power, a creator for sure because the complexities in this place are way beyond random, but that religion is a corruption of the frequency we use to connect with “source”, the result of which history can demonstrate.
Agree to a point…but not all religions are created equal.
One of the features of the West that distinguished it from every other civilization on earth was the separation of religious and secular authority. This was imperfect, and the two sides overstepped their boundaries, but the idea of a balance of power was always there. Separation of Church and State was not an American innovation, but rather restoration of the situation as it stood before Henry VIII's state takeover of the church in England. Beginning in the 19th century, ideologies that required no check on state power began to emerge. The religious sphere thus became the enemy of the state, and governments began strangling religion to remove that check on their power.
I agree with you. I’m in my 40s and I remember the 90s and early 2000s atheist acting like removing religion with basically unlock society to being like Star Trek. That all the problems society was having or due to religion. What a fact it feels like, no it’s probably true that religion was a bulwark against many of these forces we are seeing. From Monday in like loneliness it’s a pro fan like the rise of only fans and pornography, two as you’ve said authoritarianism.
The softening of formerly hardened hearts toward faith, particularly Christianity, is encouraging. I often found myself getting very frustrated throughout the last 15 or so years with the militant, aggressive atheism that has been so arrogant and condescending in its caricatured portrayal of religion. Disbelief doesn't bother me, but berating those who do believe was never a good look for them. They became exactly what they claimed to hate. Also, granted the fact that their worldview has had a chance to play out and fail miserably, I think a lot of these new, aggressive atheist types are eating an awful lot of crow in that they're not nearly as vocal on social media as they used to be. Hopefully they've come to their senses. Perhaps some may, dare I say, even find God in good time.
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The West?! Try the left!! Stop letting Democrats off the hook. NEVER forget who is destroying all that I grew up loving. Gaming, movies, freedom, all of it.
Science has massive limitations and it doesn’t contradict the Bible. Essentially, the crux of my argument is this: there are inherent limitations to the scope of scientific inquiry, particularly when it comes to understanding the complete origins of the universe. This limitation stems from our inability to observe the universe from an external perspective - an insight which may not have been previously considered (I bet this bit never occurred to you). People who fetishize science seem to advocate for an unquestioning acceptance of the idea that it is entirely logical to conduct experiments within the very entity whose existence we are trying to ascertain. This is while they concurrently suggest that the universe spontaneously emerged from nothingness in a void of non-space. This presents a paradox that needs to be acknowledged in scientific discourse.
Not all religions. Just those that aren't Islam or Satanism.
It's almost like refusing to fight back no matter your losses is a bad long-term survival strategy or something?
@@mrsqueakthecat.8061 turning the other cheek is about reacting to insults, not physical attacks. Pretty sure he told us to buy swords.
Wokesters despise Christianity and Judaism and Western civilization. Is--m, too, despises all three. And so Wokesters have warm feelings for Is--m. What they are nearly incapable of realizing is that despite those shared anathemas, Is--m would gladly destroy Wokeism in one second if it could. (Cp. 'Chickens for KFC.')
@@ryanparker4996 People seem to have forgotten about the second part. Same with the true definition of Meek.
@@ryanparker4996 yes Jesus did encourage defending yourself, but when you are attacked for your faith, that is when you turn the other cheek both physically and spiritually.
The science fiction show Babylon 5 has some very good episodes that deal with faith and religion. "Passing Through Gethsemane" and "A Late Delivery From Avalon" are quite good.
'Passing through Gethsemane' is a great episode.
"Forgiveness is a hard thing but something ever to strive for"
That entire series (well, okay season 5 was iffy) is one of the best things made for tv.
“The tragedy of disbelieving in God is not that a man ends up believing in nothing. Alas, it is much worse, that person may end up believing in anything.”
- G.K. Chesterton
I am fully open to believing in anything that can be demonstrated with strong evidence. If your version of god doesn't fit into that category that's not my fault.
You mean like the truth?
Man is superior to God
@@jackprather81 Don't make excuses on you don't believe in "anything' because your comment is just an excuse, you can straightforward say "I don't believe anything including faith in relationship, except evidence."
@@davidarvingumazon5024 silly man, as if "relationship" in your context didnt involve an invisible being with superpowers up in the firmament, hes gotta prove his existence or he can suck it, why is your entitled b33tchas god so afraid to show himself
It’s so they can enflame your emotions and impose fear and psychological damage. The key to escaping the Psyop is to remember that you don’t need a religion you need faith, and that’s something no one can take from you.
My late wife’s family was very religious, I mean incredibly religious. I grew up in the church and in the Bible Belt. It was a lot. Anyway, I revolted against it when my wife died. Im still not sure about religion, but I send my daughter to Christian school and we go to church. I’d rather bring her up in the church than have her main religion be woke😂
Always good to see some faith.
There was this black dude in Lewes proudly wearing a "god got me" shirt. Top bloke.
Abraham Joshua Heschel wrote wonderfully on this topic. The first essay, Religion in a Free Society, in his book The Insecurity of Freedom is striking.
Long live zuby
I feel so lost in todays society…like I don’t belong on any level…no purpose…no ambition…what am I doing here…please pray for me…I hope and pray God forgives me for being such a wretched human being…get me off this planet…I don’t feel like playing this game anymore
I'm so sorry! It is very hard indeed, yet life can also be miraculous, especially nature, art, animals...may you feel connection and goodness as you seek.
In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ I pray for your life. Breathe. Fight. Fight!
Get purpose.
Embrace virtue.
Work on yourself.
Study scripture.
Work out.
You're here for a reason. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Of course God forgives you this is foundational!!! As believers in Christ, our righteousness is not based on our own works or efforts, but on the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ, and more specifically, the finished work of Christ on the cross (2 Corinthians 5:21, Romans 3:22, Philippians 3:9). This positional truth is the foundation of our assurance. It reminds us that our salvation is secure in Christ and that we can confidently approach God, knowing that we are accepted, loved, and blessed in Christ because He has purged our sins and presented us without a spot to God (Isaiah 61:10).
Every believer is saved whether they have the assurance that they are saved or not. Our security is not based on our assurance, but assurance comes from knowing how secure we are (Romans 5:17). So we need to grow in the knowledge of what we have in Christ and what He’s done for us. This shifts our attention off ourselves and onto Christ, and this is how the “race” is run. We set aside burdens, cares, and sins that easily entangle us and look to Jesus. We are not looking at our feet; we are looking at His face! (Heb 12:1-2)
The son of God became a man so that men might become sons of God. He takes the wretched and transforms it into the wonderful. We are all ruined and marred by our own sin, but underneath all of our own crap still lays the wonder he first made. Call on him brother. He will wash you as white as fresh snow. This is what he does.
Simultaneously they’re importing Islamism.
People can’t be forced to believe anything. Neither of these hosts is genuinely religious, so they’re just being hypocrites.
True.
When defending religion maybe don't use religion as an insult...
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Zuby is deleting my comments, or youtube is. I can't tell.
Most likely YT. Use the wrong keywords/phrases or too many words and delete you go.
YT must be actively scrubbing this channel's comments. Most of mine disappear in minutes.
CZcams deleted something like 30% of my comments regardless of the channel. Their algorithm is picking up on key words and phrases regardless of context. This has been happening since early this year. I think it is related to the election in the US in November.
I'm not deleting anybody's comments
I don't see her response to any of my comments anymore. Unless I go back to the video and search for it. I don't take the time to do that. But I still have no idea why it's happening
“Wokeism” is a product of progressivism which grew from Marxism, which grew from Christian Hegelianism
Plenty of secular ideologies oppose all the bad things you mentioned. Ludwig Von Mises was an Atheist So was Rothbard
Fascism was basically deconstructed catholicism for Italians
Be more specific! You mean Abrahamic religions people are distancing themselves from. That’s why new age spirituality is having a resurgence, people are craving that connection to God and seeking the divine in different ways. Eastern philosophies are becoming more popular.
Islam is growing.
@@nunya54Islam is a growing deception.
I think y’all using the word religion when you mean worship.
It's OK Zuby, the last time it happened was 1700 years ago and the next 1000 years after that are now known as The Dark Ages. The world will survive the downfall of the church, just as it survived its rise.
Known by who as the "Dark Ages," the same kinds of thinkers that push trans-sexualism a "trans" concept borrowed from the "Dark Ages" concept of "trans-ubstantiation of the Catholic Church?
Russiagate was preceded by the fake news labeled "The Dark Ages." Let me ask you something, and I majored in the science 🧪 🔭 of biology at a secular university, I've heard the East of Eastern Christianity had the "lights" of cities like Antioch. This I don't deny, but think about that "framing" 🖼️ as they call it in psychology (the great classic propaganda film, "Birth of a Nation" was "framing" by Klan sympathizers). A city here, a city there, with absolute exclusion of vast swaths of rural areas between cities like Antioch and Alexandria "lights" for all 🤨. And in contrast it was said the "West" descended into the "Dark Ages" with scattered monasteries here and there? Hmm... 🤔
Let us consider that criteria. What monasteries did the Apache have? What great cities did the Apache and Lakota the have? What universities did they erect? What stonned Cathedrals with the architecturally revolutionary domes or simply artistic masterpieces of architecture did the Comanche, Apache, and Lakota have?
But so-called "historians" (an art on par with "The Birth of a Nation" more than a science) and "scholars" never call pre-European Plains of the now USA "The Dark Ages" before the Catholic Spaniards arrived (who transfered horse technology 🐎 to the Plains Indians).
The "Dark Ages" is one of the dumbest terms historians (centuries after those periods) ever came up with. It verges on being an oxymoron since pagan Germanic tribes sacked Rome, causing the city to fall from approx. 1 million residents to approx. 50,000 residents, resulting in a collapse of tax revenue and workers for infrastructure upkeep, and those pagan Germanic tribes the Romans called "Barbarians," thus how could Europe the have been a de facto "Light Ages" when it was full of Barbarians. Celtics, Vikings, Germanics, these were all white Apaches. Historians like to conflate a non-existent Europe with the Roman Empire. The Catholic Church created Europe as a concept and the Church spread aspects of "Rome" throughout Europe including the Latin Language, Canon Law it derived from Roman Law, Church Priestly vestments (which are modifications of ancient Roman male clothing), architecture like the Basilica, and administrative governance called "dioceses."
The "white man" today just ASSUMES prior to Catholicism all white men were just "naturally" brilliant and there were no white barbarians, that one united Europe existed full of learned, jolly, white people.
The Dark Ages do exist... it's called today's USA with massive homelessness, opioid epidemic, male prison r_pes and violence, firearms shootings all over the USA, and college educated population that thinks a woman can have male genitals and ejaculate sperm in another woman.
I've been on both sides, so I chose the side where I didn't have to go through so much mental gymnastics like our gentle host. Here. You go to such extremes to validate of Faith that your Lord left you. No evidence of. He didn't mind going out proof with Paul and Peter and the people in the Bible! But I guess that well ran dry! The truth is, if there is a God he didn't write the Bible. That book is so screwed up! There's no way a God wrote it.
Mass Psychosis Formation. That's what it's called now by the psychiatrists. IN other words *almost everyone went nuts at the same time, in the same way. The obsessive handwashing made me think of Pontius Pilate's hand washing of Iesus' fate to the rabble of Pharisees.
When your religion is all you know, people like this man try to explain other peoples worldview from a religious standpoint.
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The fact is atheism, regardless of how long it has been around just doesn't make sense. It only has academic purposes at best but a waste of mental resources if you ask me.
Do you understand that atheism is simply a position on but one claim - that of certain theists asserting some god exist in reality?
The west is religious. It's called progressivism. Or secular humanism.
Religion is not good for big business or making money.
Heh, heh. I assume you're joking? Religion is how you make boat-loads of cash without needing to pay taxes or even report it. All the best - or the worst? - scam-artists take advantage of that.
Greek gods are the best.
UFOs? Pfft... Spiritual world definitely!
As much human suffering that has come about just specifically because of religion, This discussion is delusional. Judaism and the Muslim faith are horribly violent by standard. If you read the old testament, god himself behaves like a spoiled petulant child. Read the book of Job.
How is judaism violent?
Atheism pays better?
Religion Destroyed Religion
The open hypocrisy is what drove so many of us away.
Islam is the fastest growing religious movement on the planet Muslims are fine lol
i loved the people i went to church with. the board and the elders ruined it for me.
Religion was born when the first con man met the first fool . Mark Twain
Yeah, because there is so much to be gained by becoming a Catholic priest, nun or monk......
Climate too. Veganism etc
I just had this show up in my recommend feed. I like MS but am not subscribed to this show.
Why does the algorithm keep sending me this religious crap. The most secular countries in the world are the best on all fronts. Crime, education, happiness, health and so on.
They are also in decline and the new generation is miserable.
What's up skid Marks?!?!?
It's the open hypocrisy of every religion that the religion itself refuses to address that we don't like.
If it's not the open hypocrisy of the figurative/literal congregation, it's the hypocrisy of the God/Diety we cant stand even if the core message intent itself is true and good.
Matthew 6:2 - Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet as the hypocrites do in the synagogue or on the corner of the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly I say to you, they have their reward.
Matthew 6:5 - And when you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corner of the streets that they may be seen by men,. Assuredly I say to you, they have their reward.
Matthew 6:16 - Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a sad countenance. For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to be fasting. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.
Matthew 15:7 - Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, "These people draw near to Me with their lips, but their heart is from Me, and in vain do they worship Me, teaching as commandments the doctrine o men."
Matthew 16:2-3 - When it is evening you say, 'It will be air weather, or the sky is red', and in the morning, 'It will be full weather today, or the sky is red and threatening.' Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky but do not know how to discern the signs of the times.
Matthew 23:13-15 - But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! or you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows houses and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation. woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much of a son of hell as yourselves.
Matthew 23:23 - Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint, anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law, faith justice and mercy. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
Matthew 23:25 - Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion, and self-indulgence.
Matthew 23:27-29 - Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like white-washed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Luke 12:1 - Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Scribes which is hypocrisy.
Your problem is not that every religion refuses to address hypocrisy, it's that you refuse to accept that you're also that hypocrite;
Isaiah 9:17 - For everyone is a hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaks folly.
God's not the hypocrite, you are. That's why you just lied and said Christianity refuses to address hypocrisy when passage after passage says that the hypocrite is under greater condemnation. How could you say something so obviously untrue if you weren't a hypocrite?
1) every person organization political party, and ideology is hypocritical sometimes. Are you saying you would only believe in a religion if every adherent followed it perfectly? Do you hold anything else to this standard?
2) The God of Christianity is not hypocritical. Hes authoritative, but not hypocritical.
@@brendancoulter5761 James 4:17, plus lead in and out scriptures, shows otherwise.
God has the capacity to end evil and remove it from existence as we understand it at any time yet does not which is a sin in itself.
@@donnyjones5600 All good points.
One of my issues in life is I try to help people out whenever I can if I see no one else doing so.
What I don't like is being told I am a gift from God, or something like that, for helping them.
No. I do it because I know God is giving them the blind eye and deaf ear treatment when they are needing help the most, as I have been through myself too many times now.
@@brendancoulter5761 What I am saying is the good people of the world need to start doing a lot more gatekeeping than they are now.
What I believe personally comes from my own life experiences for good and or bad.
I prayed for a purpose and was given one and I praised God greatly for it. Then my life was torn to shreds for no justifiable reasons and God was nowhere to be found when I needed him the most.
I tend to look at things like this… in Daniel it appears Rome was final beast. The Gospel conquered Rome. All that was Rome (the west) converted to Christianity. This was the death blow to the final Beast except that wound was healed. This healed Beast ( Satans imitation of our Lords Resurrection) attempts to accomplish what it failed to do in its earlier carnation. We’re living in the final phase and it comes as no surprise the nations of which the Church was built upon are now the target. Obviously, not doctrinal, just how I see the spiritual war being played out.
Lol abrhamic moment, theres a reason Kali Yuga started. People that sound right will be deemed right. In reality, yall no nothing of god. The world was vedic before, that is the truth
Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.
3:45 I would like to know which individuals who are full blown atheists turned out to be “good”. If you examine their lifestyles, their giving, their charity to others, they fail to be that “moral” character they claim to be.
You will find that in all cases their success is measured in terms of material comfort.
Why? Because religion fails to demonstrate the truth of its core claims. Give me things that are true, please.
Galatians Chapter 5
1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Colossians Chapter 2
20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21(Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Catwomen are not meant to be contained by the rules of society. Ophelia Powers Catwoman.
Exactly, don't be brainwashed. I was diagnosed as chronically depressed, a little over a year ago I accepted Islam because it contains far too many truths about our world impossible for a illiterate man in the desert to have knowledge of. Now I can't even remember the last time I felt depressed, my depression had no role in my choice at all but here I am with no issue at all anymore.
Best decision of my life, Alhamdulillah for Islam.
But when seen as something written by a jealous pretty grifter stealing concepts from other regions to build his own false one around himself, it is pretty easy to explain, as it has been since its creation.
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Just no.
I’ve never been depressed have had depressing moments but never depressed when you have God with you depression is defeated thank Allah for Islam
@@botspotter8379 Funny, I was also extremely dismissive without even knowing anything, I wish I could tell my past self what I'm going to tell you. Stop being ignorant.
May God guide you and make it easier for you.
Nobody is destroying religion. It's destroying itself. It's just that more and more rational people are seeing religion for what is...a myth.
Ya... you just go on telling yourself that man possesses the epitome of all knowledge and through which should be the moral arbiter of all that is right or wrong and between good or evil.
Yes, more rational people.... you mean the one's believing whatever the government is telling them, the one's blocking the road for protests, or just burning down half their cities? Which rational people are you talking about?
You can either answer it factually or as your hidden faith tells you to. What is a woman?
@@jamesclark6487 ... To whom are you asking this question?
It's the double standards and hypocrisy that drive most away.