How to install rings, piston and hone a cylinder, Honda 3 wheeler, HELP! ATC Repair
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How to install rings, piston and hone a cylinder, Honda 3 wheeler, HELP! ATC Repair
In this episode I rebuild the top end of a Honda 200cc ATC engine . Each video in this series breaks down another step in the process of rebuilding and maintaining your Honda ATC 3 wheeler. Think of this series as a "How to" or an online shop manual for easy, quick repairs for your 3 wheeler. I pick up where the dealer has left off. Many of these tips will apply across the model lines of most ATC 3 wheelers from the 70, 90, 185, 200 and even the 250 four strokes and 350x. I focus on the major repairs that are most common to ATC owners. I show you how I make the repairs and hopefully you will save some money for yourself and be able to get back on the trail enjoying your ATC.
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The Products used in this video can be found here:
JB Weld Big pack
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Uni 185-200es air filter
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250es big red or 250sx air filter
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Lucas atv/atc oil for wet cutch formula
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Carlisle Knobby 25x12x9 tires
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All 200cc D.I.D. Timing Chain
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Scott Handel bar grips
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All 185-200cc cam chain guide rails
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All 200cc piston rings and gasket set
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Honda 200s-200x Piston
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All 200cc piston rings and gasket set w/Piston Kit
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Great for GoPro Scandisk 400g SD camera card
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Honda 250es Big Red Seat cover
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All Balls Front Wheel Bearings 185cc thu 200es
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Rear Honda 200cc bikes 200-200es brake shoes
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Front and Rear Honda 200cc bikes 200-200es brake shoes
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Honda 200-200es front brake cable
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Honda 200-200es rear brake cable
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Rear brake cable bolt kit
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Honda hand brake levers matched pair in black
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Honda fuel Petcock fits all 250cc bikes
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NGK DR8ES-l Spark Plug
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Good replacement ( welding required ) muffler
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Replacement Battery YTX12-BS
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Honda 185s-200x clutch socket
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Clutch kit for 185s-200x
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Clutch Springs
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One way bearing 185s-200es
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All Balls Steering Stem Bearing Kit for Honda ATC 200X 1983-1987
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Honda ATC 1982-1984 BIG RED ATC200ES 200E 200M
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Maier 11980-2 Red Rear Fender 200x 1983-1985
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Maier 12031-2 Red Front Fender 200x 1983-1985
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Maier 580012 Red Radiator Air Scoop for Honda ATC200X - Pair
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Honda ATC 200X 1985-1987 Logo Blue Standard Seat Cover
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Blue universal fork boots For Honda ATC 200X 1983-1987
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Kenda K284 K284 ATV Tire - 23.5X8-11
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(3) 3 Wheeler WANDA ATV Tires 22X11-8 4PR P322 Dimple Knobby
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Good folks to know
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185, 185s, 200, 200s, 200x, 250es, 200es, 200e, 250sx, 350x, 250r
Very informative good stuff
Thank you
Man your videos are awesome keep em up I love 3 wheelers and my favourite youtuber deleted all his vids so I want to thank you for these videos
Thank you, I am glad you like them, I am having a lot of fun making them.
@@mrcbuilds hell yeah man very informative and entertaining to watch love 3 wheelers love the vids
I miss tom too
Nice video. Reminds me of the teen years overhauling straight 6 rambler engines at my uncles shop.
Question. Why are you putting so much pb blaster on the hone just to spin all of it off before using the hone?
Moist is more than enough. Especially for just a cross hatch on these tiny engines.
Like you a carry on old habits, i was taught to keep the hone wet and keep it moving.
Thanks for sharing brother
Would you please explain how the small rubber oil check valve is installed in the head just behind the cam. I can't find anything about this online. Thank You,
Hi Oscar, are you refering to the little rubber plug part number 12271-383-000
If so it acts as a block off to keep more oil in the top of the head and on the cam. The larger end is pressed into the head and then expands to hold it in position. Hope that helps thanks for watching.
Fantastic videos! enjoy watching them. Quick question, what grit is the cylinder hone? thanks in advance.
240 grit. Here is a link with the specs.amzn.to/3qXXL3X
What grit hone were you using? I am about to do this myself and was planning on using a 240 grit.
Hey ryan yes, check the link in the description and it should take you to the exact one i used.
Good videos! i havent had to do a rebuild yet but glad to see theres more mechanic trikers on here lol! What is name of the brush you used for honing? looks cool would like to have one.
Muddy
Hey Muddy, Here's a link for the honing berry- amzn.to/3nrZVoZ.
Hey man, nice video, I just had a question, when you “stagger” the position and oil rings, do you put all of them 180 degrees from each other, so none of them are facing the same way? Does it matter what way the oil spacer ring faces?
Yes, I stagger every ring. Some say it dosent matter because they walk around when the engine is running. But I have always done it.
Awesome video! Is the second (middle) ring grooved at the outer top? ... and the Top ring squared? Thanks ... my piston came with no instructions ... I know where the oil rails and expander go.
Yes dot up on top ring in top groove. Second ring in second groove
@@mrcbuilds I have a ProX piston and my rings are not marked like the Shindy rings. I was asking, does your middle ring have a groove cut in the outer top of it? ... And is your Top ring a little thicker?
@@11GalleryATV I would suggest go to their website, every manufacture dose it alittle different. The shindy rings are the same thickness but the outer edge angle is different between the top and second ring. I would hate to tell you wrong, I am not familiar with the proX product.
@@mrcbuilds I understand and respect that. Upon all my research all the brand's (Shindy. ProX, WiseCo, Namura, etc.) 200x ring sets, including OEM have one ring with a slight cut (or groove) notched into it and one ring is squared. I cannot find one ounce of information on which ring belongs at the TOP and which one is the "Scraper" (middle). I am just asking which way you did yours and does it run properly. It looks like you put the darker ring on top and the grooved ring as the middle ring. My rings are Marked "R" and "RN" but I cannot find a definitive answer as to which goes where.
Hi, Rebuilding an 84 honda 200es. Bike smokes. I have rebuilt the valves with new seals and cleaned them and seated them per your videos. Bike still smokes. Now going to flex hone cylinder and replace rings. Piston is STD, old ring end gap was .024. bore is .0015 out of spec for new, new rings have .016 end gap. I believe spec is a lot less. Should i go with the next over size ring and file them down to spec or should that gap suffice? any help would be appreciated.
Hi steve, I would replace the piston and rings while your there. Check the end gap on the new rings when you get them. You are at the limit of needing a over bore if you plan to keep this bike, go ahead and bore it out 62.25 order proper piston and ring and be done with it. Paying to have one bored out is less than 100.
How important is it to cross rings when doing a top end rebuild
Important
I missed where you put the compression rings end gaps..
I stagger my ring gaps, but understand that they move around, which means from time to time they are all aligned. But I start them off staggered.
@@mrcbuilds Very ambiguous reply but never mind
Time stamp 2:59, I state and show spinning the rings 180 degrees out from one another.
How long do they normally smoke for after rebuild?
No more than a couple good heat cycles, unless the exhaust is full of oil, that can take a long time. You may want to soak the exhaust in a cleaner
What is the tool your using to hone ?
It's called a hone. I have a link for it in the description of this video. They come in different sizes. That one is for a 62mm bore
What hone size could you link me to it
amzn.to/3FMMDxF this one for the 185/200cc engine
@@mrcbuildswhat size and grit first time got a 200e big red
Um u not going to set ring gap?
Hey Stretch Nuts, I have never had a problem with the provided rings with a piston purchase, I am sure it is possible to be sent the wrong parts, I not going to lie to you and tell you I checked them. Once the jug is on and the piston cycles with no binding or excessive slop, I move on. Thanks for watching and I will try and take a moment to check that next time.
How important is it to cross rings when doing a top end rebuild
Most agree now on a 4 stroke the rings walk around, with that said they would align at some point. So its said now it's not as big a deal as it use to be. But to help them stay unaligned start off by having them stagered. I try to stagger them about 90 degrees from one another.
@@mrcbuilds ok thanks
@@mrcbuilds would a xr200r motor fit in a atc 185
@@drumboon1986 It does not look like the xr200 will bolt in but a crf230 will with very little modification.