It's nice to get the promo for these races. And an explanation. These boats apparently have sails, of the traditional type, some kind of flexible cloth-like fabric, and not wings. I wonder what happened, that wings are apparently "out"? I was still trying to stitch together the differences wings made, supposedly pulling or lifting, as opposed to pushing the boat. Sigh. So much energy wasted, trying to get the physics of it .... Back to sails. Just as long as nobody "kneels", I'm tuning in!
Thank you very much for that very interesting talk and all the beautiful footage! I totally forgot about Americas Cup, since Switzerland is not involved any more, but now I can‘t wait to watch how things will turn out! The last America‘s Cup was so fascinating! Sincerely, Stefan from near lake constance in the center of europe.
One correction, the main foil stem does not need to be loaded because the wings are at an angle (viewed from the front). More importantly, getting windward/leeward force (lift) from the stem causes heavy induced drag so the boats are designed to minimize lift from the stem of the T foils. They would like to minimize stem lift on the rudder, but of course that is a great challenge. When the rudder stalls the foil wings lose lift, the stern drops and the boat shoots for the sky like a breaching whale.
This will be a very important regatta for testing technologies and give the engineers a good period of time to develop holes, sail plans, and strategies. Looking forward to it.
I think we are in for some very close match racing as these boats turn so much quicker than the cats Boats will spend more time covering so more tacking hence lots of opportunity for crews to make mistakes especially not getting on those foils fast enough after a tack Exciting stuff can’t wait for the racing to start
In 2017 ETNZ gave everyone a lesson in crew aerodynamics. For the brains trusts in the challengers they all seem to have forgotten. Clearly evident in V2 of the AC75 ETNZ have crew exposure to windage very limited. 2 sometimes 3 heads poking above the gunwale per side. The challengers...well they are head and SHOULDERS above the defender by 4 or 5 crew. The drag difference is massive at 50 kts (90-100kmh range). Possibly they could alter the ergonomics of grinding pedestals but at what sacrifice to power output in a position that the body has trained for the past 2 years?
Its against the rules for the boat to provide aero fairings to protect the crew: 12.11 When viewed from above and orthogonal to MWP, neither the crew nor the guest racer shall be covered at any time by any part of the yacht except the mast, sails and rigging, or occasionally by other components provided that only a small part of any crew member is covered, and this covering is not designed to provide aerodynamic fairing of the crew. (from the rules published by RNZYS). So ETNZ are being a bit cheeky with the boat design. It's clearly designed to mitigate the aerodynamic penalty caused by the crew
@@nathanaeljani4127 pretty good then that there are not any coverings or fairings. Remember of course the AC 75 is a box rule and it would appear the ETNZ are perhaps working to the limits of the box. Given they wrote the rule I'm pretty sure they would have an idea of the boundaries.
I am sorry Please show us R&D fans and supporters that these AC-75 Teams are Reliable and Consistently Breaking thru to 50 knots??? Hmm We/I Wonder, What are the exact "telling and showing the TRUTH "Recorded-Performance Real-Time" precise numbers. aloha.
@@saitohshihomi5649 That will be forthcoming when TV coverage starts as there will be data coming off the boats. Although that may not happen till the Prada Cup.
Aye 1851 was that defining Moment that became the Precision and Community-at-Large "Game~Changer"- What this Divsion in Competition now (2020-2021) needs on a Universal Perspective and Out-Reach is a Global Task-Force of strategic Fleets of Modern Clipper Ships, defined as: The Need and Purpose for Speed, Again... historically The Clippers 1843-1869; Doing World-Wide "Aloha~Service" unto Humanity... me ke aloha pumehana
From experience, hydrofoils really sing (but you can't hear it under sail, under the engine), when did you hear it during the tests? But vibrations on the body are not felt, only the wing sounds ... I compared it to the double bass ... The tone is clear and evenly intensifies with increasing speed ... I think it resonates, the lower plane of the wing is from the upper one, under the first pressure is higher than over the top? Yours faithfully ....
we surffoilers pump to unstick the surfboard and start flying earlier, my tip to the ac75 crew is to jump all at once and in a rythm especially in light wind
I wonder: is there any rule that says how the arms should be shaped? The sideways forces on it, the spray it creates because of pressure differences near the surface, and the weight of the boat leaning on the bent shape, it seems suboptimal. Why not make the arms more straight, and sail the foils at an angle, like a kitefoil going upwind?
The point about the foils doesn't hold true (@3:43). Firstly, if there is a difference in angle of attack between the rudder and main foil, the boat turns. This is yaw. Maybe you are referring to the amount of leeway (or in fact how they appear to lift to weather). Pure leeway is the result of foil shape and speed and the angle of attack of the foil. This is created by rotating the foil relative to the centre line of the hull. This would create an impression of the boat 'crabbing'. Like a gybing centreboard. However, this doesn't give a better sailing angle through the water. There may be some secondary benefits to rotating the sail plan relative the apparent wind or aero benefit. But it's not to directly sail a higher or lower course.
America's cup is often called F1 on the water and that is an apt description. It is about sailing and technology. Pure sailing in equal boats has never been the point of the America's Cup. I think they have made attempts to contain costs and improve the sustainability of the sport but at its core it will always be an expensive high tech sport. These boats bare scant resemblance to previous monohulls. These are part boat part low flying aircraft. It's going to be compelling and spectacular viewing.
Спасибо за освещение ! Первенства прежде всего конструкторов и технологий , полезно наблюдать эксперименты по совершенствую судов в реальном времени ... В рамках жестких правил и норм , появлялось бы в первую очередь, мастерство гонщиков ... В данном случае конструктора выступают в роли пионеров ведущих в будущее ! Через некоторое время , удачные решения , найдут свое применение в обычной практике ! Думается так ...
Thanks for the lighting! The championship, first of all, of designers and technologies, it is useful to observe experiments on improving ships in real time ... Within the framework of strict rules and regulations, the skill of the racers would appear first of all ... In this case, the designers act as pioneers leading into the future! After a while, successful solutions will find their application in ordinary practice! I think so ...
Thankx So Very much for Your focus with Improving "Ships"- Not Boats!!! Indeed, The Skill of the Racers- (Transcending Riding Styles)- with More Dynamic Safer Fun Per $$$$ , going hand-in-hand, seeing/being/doing that Essence to The Timely Singleness Of Purpose with the Need for Speed is with Ships not Boats in Real Time. Truly, Daily Applied Aptitudes for Creating rallying points of interest and Advocacy begins with Timing/Need and Universal Purpose- such a future "Polished" Concept and Configuration Prototype model for cloning would be somewhat in Flavor like the VPLP/OceanWings "Nemesis-One" c/o (www.nemesisyahts.com); except with Modual-Component logistics and Function, without the luxury Superstrcure Accomodations- Doing "Aloha~Service" in Tonnage with Equal-Valued-Exchange; just Imagine the future Global World-Wide Initative Modern Clipper Ships, both mono & multi hull Flying Ships. Could very well Be a most Expressive Game-Changer-Ok.
@@saitohshihomi5649 I am very passionate about hydrofoil ships, to the best of my ability I promote this topic ... But for widespread use by everyone, not only in races, but also in everyday needs ... I am trying to create cheap and affordable ships ...
Wouldn't it be a shocker if, after all this impressive testing of the boats, the federation gave every team a trophy for 'doing a damn good job' and nobody had to lose?
Yes! I-Do Concur Kind Sir, The Grande~Shocker, of All Shockers. Inclusive not Exclusive- GC-32/AC/SailGP/OceanRace/Vendee/Jules Cup EXperinces ect. ect. And, If I might add, Fun Joy and Equal-Valued-Exchange, with Sharing and Caring that We as Human Kind, By Going forth with Exuding the Giving Back Spirit of Aloha, with the Timely Need and Purpose for Speed Again! We the People can Proclaim that we can Go! Forward unto The Sum of The Whole and The Whole of The Sum with Awesome Breakthru Sailing/Voyaging as Ocean-Crosser's with Faster than the Wind Fun "Service" Mesmerizing Foundations.. America;s Cup designs/format/rules/venues/Personalities, are only a small part of the Bigger picture. Indeed, hana hou ka kou, Just Imagine when non-Affluent Sailing "Emerging Nations" (3rd- World Communities) are given the equal Opportunity to Play The Game- The Greater~Possibilities will Be profound! And they figure It out, and Build on the "Given" Equation and Beat Us Affluent Sailing/Speed/Flying Nations, at Our Own $$$$ Fanatical $$$$ Pursuits--Power struggles; Now!!! That will be a True Game Changer that shall Truly Indeed on a Global Universal Perspective Be Accountable with Making The Difference with regards to the Need and Purpose of Sailing in General. Let's Huddle Are You Game? God's~Speed for You and Yours with Many, many More Success~Stories, yet to come, Maintain Da "Glide" and Continue-On with Sharing and Caring Unconditionally the Giving-Gift of a most Awesome "Surfilicious" day... (www.rellsunn.com) me ke aloha pumehana jj i r~c *DolFunHeart*
I'm showing my ignorance here. It is many years since I sailed, and that was just dinghies about 50+ years ago, but one thing that strikes me as really different (apart from the foils) is that it looks like when the boats turn through about 180 degrees, the sails don't change their orientation with the boat much - they may go to the opposite side of the boat, but are always close hauled. How does that work? What happens when they run before the wind, or do they never do that? There seems to be virtually no adjustment to their set. Sorry if this is a really naive question.
@@P1ckI3s Ah - I think that helps, thanks. Because the boat is travelling so much faster than my dinghy ever could (or did, anyway), the induced wind is higher, which means that the apparent wind is higher, and seems to be coming closer to the bow than the actual wind - did I get that right?
Steve Knight ---- Really good question. The differences between "wings" and "sails" is intriguing, and the answers here explain something about both, that seems to bring them closer together - except for the "lift" of wings. Heck, I was wondering if they'd go to spinnakers - how's that for naive?
@@davesmith5656 I wonder whether we'll ever get cargo ships with wings and foils? Not sure whether things would scale up, but maybe something the size of coasters would work. Add in self-sail ability and you could send fleets of them across the oceans, perhaps.
I suspect that one team will have the technical advantage and this race is already over. I hope I am wrong and it is back to tactics instead of design.
This is very similar to formula one motor racing. If you don't have a competitive package you aren't in the race regardless of how good the human competitors are. This is both a sailing and technology sport.
The Biggest Problem is the "barriers" of Safely/Consistently/Reliable Breaking thru with the "Super-Cavitation" varibles- Possibly "The Next Step" elongelation of the frontal-node to rid the Concepts of Parasitic-n-Viscus Drag. I am Sorry I do not know I'm not there now in Aucland with GPS "radar" Realtime read-out, and acurate data, but these AC 75's look to be not even touching 50 knots as yet- Looks like with eyes-on photo ops: 35 to 45 knots in straight line performance at best. Hmm, Again- hana hou, Have any of The AC Teams seen that 50 knots Super-Cavitation Consistent Performance?! Larger Sail/in lighter Smooth Challenges, along with Faster/Safer Smaller Rigs in/with "Out-of-Control" Nuclear conditions- (Henceforth ala The New 18 meter WingSail Rigs with the SailGP F-50's have all Gone 50 knots-plus.)... Foils are not the Answer- Air-Seal~Air/Water Ram Jet "Venturi~Glide" is Best Cost-Effective/User-Friendly -n- less Fragile/Safer/More Consistent, and Reliable for 360-degrees Singleness of Purpose for the Nees for Speed-Ok. aloha nui. Keep Pulling The Apparent, or Not! Have a most Precise Acurate "Surfilicious" Day. (rks)
I would love to see a race with fewer restrictions on technology used. Allow solar power and batteries to run electric motors while setting a maximum weight for the batteries.
The America's Cup contenders are not boats, they are waterborne planes. Give me the good old days when people like Ted Turner, Buddy Melges and Dennis Conner competed on real sailing vessels.
Looks like the kiwi boys will be having issues with exiting their bikes on one side to get to the other as the race goes on. They look to be so deep in those holes they're in
@@weatheranddarkness to me the spirit of sailing is being one one with the water and the wind. Is sailing still sailing when the hull is rarely in the water. Don't get me wrong, I understand the want to go faster, but when does it that take the sailing out of sailing. At what point do we call these boats, planes?
@@howardwhite5131 It seems to me that sailboats have always been planes, they have two wings, one in the atmosphere, and one in the hydrosphere. When you design for atmosphere you get wings like birds. When you design for the hydrosphere you get wings like penguins. These new boats are just shifting more of the boat into the atmosphere as it is easier to gain speed in, but the hydrospheric has also become infinitely more sophisticated. I guess the main objection is that the sailors are now more inhabitants of the sky than of the sea.
@@howardwhite5131 It absolutely still is. And it's still moving with only the wind as the driving force. You can call them planes when they don't require contact with the water.
'ello- 60 knots "Potential", Really?? Have any of these AC75's even Reached 50 knots as yet, Hmm, I-Do Wonder, will the Competition of Speed and Safety be a telling "Game-Changer", What Exactly Will Be Reliable and Exceptable- (Especially with G-Forces Directional~Changing aka Banging The Corners)!?! Heaven-forbid are We going to experience the Factor of "Un-Exceptable" vs "Un-Reliability. keep pulling the apparent. aloha nui
ETNZ first boat Te Aihe reached 60 knots during training. Apparently the new boat would exceed that. Quite scary, hence the challengers may not want to race for the Christmas cup.
Good question. I may be wrong but I think he was stating that if you have two yachts both traveling 50 knots and they are heading towards one another then the “closing speed” of the two boats combined would in effect be 100 knots. That’s nutso fast esp on the water. I hope that makes sense and I’m correct:)
@@PlanetSailOnline Yeah but how often will that happen -- you don't sail directly at your opponent (at top speed) ever under normal circumstances. On opposite tacks going upwind the VMG convergence speed would be like what--maybe 40 knots?
@Tombstone Station for 15 years coming home for holidays Orks were harping on about the underarm bowl (something Dennis Connor would do if he played cricket) Over here it was celebrated
Ahh...the high drama of the Cup begins...on Neptune's Kiwi patch...sailors, landlubbbers will binge watch this baby...F1, ya' say? Nah', a snooze fest...this thing, this is THE race...Merry Christmas!
Ahoy Lenin San, Yes! I Concur "The Designers Cup", except Not Boats But Way over due Crossing Oceans Capacity Aloha Service Ships of the Future- Again with Singleness of Purpose The Need, and Timely Purpose for Speed with be Resurrected, taking from yesteryear 1846-1869 The Golden Era of The Clipper Ships- Ok. aloha nui ka kou.
Lenin San I Get You! Your Words with this "Public" domain is a True/Pure/Honest statement: Thankx So Very Much for Your Timely Delivery of the words that very well could be the Projection with Where We are Headed with The Truth The Life The Way that WE will Collectively and Connectively Cross-Pollinate (collaborate) Towards. Mahalo and Arigato for Your Inspirational Kind Words. "Crew Are Irrelevant", that could very well Be the Greatest Revelation-n-Revolution with Regards to the America's Cup Global Outreach, especiaily when the Venue and Format is Open and Organized to Include the Non-Affluent "Emerging-3rd World Nations" Expressing Themselves with The Joy Under Sail are being allowed to$$$ Play the Game Equally-n-Fairly$$$... Ok. The Future of The AC Reality May very well be Autonomous with NO-Crew Members as The Flavour Of The Days to Come. Indeed, This Crew Being Irrelevant Scenario of the Future- (Robotic-Control, with "pilot" assist Singleness On-Board human-factor for Applied FailSafe Programed Check-System, along with even Safer Cross-Over Back-up Precise programing)- could very well Be the most Relevent "Game-Changer"... However Way that We as Sailers/Foilers/Flyers/Penetrating-SolarWindWaveSurfers Define Our each Individual Ex-psyched- (Stoked/Crypt) Experience with the Need and Purpose for Sailing in General; Flying Boats- Or Should I/We say Flying~Ships of the Future will Be the Utmost Safest~Fun and Reason to Go Faster than the Wind that will quantify, and qualify Our True Need and Purpose for Speed upon/within/thru Air and water of the Oceans and Seas. Absolutely, with this/that Future Timely priority Being Express Our take on the Truthful Applications with rallying points like the America's Cup Match-Up Competition/VendeeGlobe/ The OceanRace/Throphe'eJulesVern'e SailGP ect. ect. Supplementation for FailSafe-ness checks and balances to Be Totally Reliable is Indeed the very best Consistency with The Unknown, this future Proven Convicted Way by Sharing and Caring what WE have as Passion and Compssion will Be The GoodWill with Insuring The Equal-Valued/Equal Opportunity; along with Greater~Possibilities with Regards to Saving Sailing from It'sSelf. Well Done John San, for Your Inspred Thoghts. Just Imagine the Future of The America's Cup being Autonomous Global World-Wide "Singleness of Purpose" ALOHA SERVICE SHIPS Sailing/Foiling/Flying/Gliding "Around" serving the needs and Purposeful Solutions and Fellowships with All Humanity as The Whole of The Sum being the Giving Results... {Conceptual examples: "by-the-numbers" Migaloo (migaloo-submarines.com)/141m. "Dream Symphony"/(vplp.fr) & (nemesisyachts.com) Nemesis-One. Indeed, such a future scenario for "Giving-Back" Resultions would truly Express this Timely Out-Reach "given~focus" with Our Thriving with The World-Wide Global ModernClipperShips-Initative-Ok. Pulling The Apparent, or Not, Continue To Be At-One-ment with The "Pulse" of The Wind and The Waves, and Enjoy The Sweet Effortless "Glide"; Oh! and No-Forget, as Our Gracious Giving Queen of Aloha KAPOLIOKAEHUKAI All Way exude Unconditionally, Have a Most Awesome "Surfilicious" Day... (rellsunn.com) me ke aloha pumehana.
America's cup world series matters? i doubt it. and these things they call boats? Amazing technology, but leaves very little for the crew to actually do in order to win!
Honestly, this is the most accessible and best commentary for us looking for AC news and insights. Much appreciated!
Right?!
It's nice to get the promo for these races. And an explanation. These boats apparently have sails, of the traditional type, some kind of flexible cloth-like fabric, and not wings. I wonder what happened, that wings are apparently "out"? I was still trying to stitch together the differences wings made, supposedly pulling or lifting, as opposed to pushing the boat. Sigh. So much energy wasted, trying to get the physics of it .... Back to sails. Just as long as nobody "kneels", I'm tuning in!
@@davesmith5656 See 36th America's Cup Preview, @9:37 : ".. (the sail) is effectively a wing..". Enjoy, and may the best team win! :)
The best show in the whole damn world! Keep it up. Nobody covers it better than planet sail
Thanks for all your great commentary. Much appreciated. Looking forward to this series.
Thanks again I hope New Zealand is treating you well.
Excellent presentation! Always well done. Thank you. 🇨🇦
Outstanding broadcast, very informative and enjoyable
Thank you very much for that very interesting talk and all the beautiful footage! I totally forgot about Americas Cup, since Switzerland is not involved any more, but now I can‘t wait to watch how things will turn out! The last America‘s Cup was so fascinating! Sincerely, Stefan from near lake constance in the center of europe.
Really enjoying your coverage, easily understood and good insight of various aspects.
This is the channel to watch for a clear explanation. Really enjoy it Matt. Hope quarantine isn’t driving you up the wall!
One correction, the main foil stem does not need to be loaded because the wings are at an angle (viewed from the front). More importantly, getting windward/leeward force (lift) from the stem causes heavy induced drag so the boats are designed to minimize lift from the stem of the T foils. They would like to minimize stem lift on the rudder, but of course that is a great challenge. When the rudder stalls the foil wings lose lift, the stern drops and the boat shoots for the sky like a breaching whale.
Absolutely fantastic work!
A very professional, and calm presentation. Nice one Matthew
This will be a very important regatta for testing technologies and give the engineers a good period of time to develop holes, sail plans, and strategies. Looking forward to it.
By far the best insights and commentary of any coverage. Thanks Matt!
There's no waffling with you, Matthew. Well-thought-out and structured.
@7:25 - that shot though ...
Bonus points for using the hotel tv to make a background while in quarantine.
Extremely well presented, thank you so much !
The video production of the first minute of this opus is off the charts :~)
Thanks for your insights and the awesome camera work.
Always look forward to your vids.I♥️ 🎣
Ok. This is good. Can sit back and watch some incredible sailing!
Well done Matt you keep getting better. Really looking forward to your coverage.
I think we are in for some very close match racing as these boats turn so much quicker than the cats
Boats will spend more time covering so more tacking hence lots of opportunity for crews to make mistakes especially not getting on those foils fast enough after a tack
Exciting stuff can’t wait for the racing to start
More please, great accessible content that I and many others I suspect enjoy. Good stuff!
Nice one Matt, a really good overview!
This is now my favorite sailing channel
In 2017 ETNZ gave everyone a lesson in crew aerodynamics. For the brains trusts in the challengers they all seem to have forgotten. Clearly evident in V2 of the AC75 ETNZ have crew exposure to windage very limited. 2 sometimes 3 heads poking above the gunwale per side. The challengers...well they are head and SHOULDERS above the defender by 4 or 5 crew. The drag difference is massive at 50 kts (90-100kmh range). Possibly they could alter the ergonomics of grinding pedestals but at what sacrifice to power output in a position that the body has trained for the past 2 years?
Its against the rules for the boat to provide aero fairings to protect the crew:
12.11 When viewed from above and orthogonal to MWP, neither the crew nor the guest racer shall be covered
at any time by any part of the yacht except the mast, sails and rigging, or occasionally by other components
provided that only a small part of any crew member is covered, and this covering is not designed to provide
aerodynamic fairing of the crew. (from the rules published by RNZYS).
So ETNZ are being a bit cheeky with the boat design. It's clearly designed to mitigate the aerodynamic penalty caused by the crew
@@nathanaeljani4127 pretty good then that there are not any coverings or fairings. Remember of course the AC 75 is a box rule and it would appear the ETNZ are perhaps working to the limits of the box. Given they wrote the rule I'm pretty sure they would have an idea of the boundaries.
I am sorry Please show us R&D fans and supporters that these AC-75 Teams are Reliable and Consistently Breaking thru to 50 knots??? Hmm We/I Wonder, What are the exact "telling and showing the TRUTH "Recorded-Performance Real-Time" precise numbers. aloha.
@@saitohshihomi5649 That will be forthcoming when TV coverage starts as there will be data coming off the boats. Although that may not happen till the Prada Cup.
Thanks for Sir Thomas Lipton reference. Tea had a lot to do with the original races. I love these new foiling clippers.
Aye 1851 was that defining Moment that became the Precision and Community-at-Large "Game~Changer"- What this Divsion in Competition now (2020-2021) needs on a Universal Perspective and Out-Reach is a Global Task-Force of strategic Fleets of Modern Clipper Ships, defined as: The Need and Purpose for Speed, Again... historically The Clippers 1843-1869; Doing World-Wide "Aloha~Service" unto Humanity... me ke aloha pumehana
@@saitohshihomi5649 A hōʻike i ke aloha no ke Aupuni Hawaiʻi
Oh boy, here wo go flying again...
What can you tell us about INEOS and the issues they're supposedly having with their boat.
good show! Question: Why does foiling makes sound / vibration and how do they prevent it for structural reasons?
From experience, hydrofoils really sing (but you can't hear it under sail, under the engine), when did you hear it during the tests? But vibrations on the body are not felt, only the wing sounds ... I compared it to the double bass ... The tone is clear and evenly intensifies with increasing speed ... I think it resonates, the lower plane of the wing is from the upper one, under the first pressure is higher than over the top? Yours faithfully ....
we surffoilers pump to unstick the surfboard and start flying earlier, my tip to the ac75 crew is to jump all at once and in a rythm especially in light wind
Excellent point
Every team will go for victory during the World Series. They are competitors.
I wonder: is there any rule that says how the arms should be shaped? The sideways forces on it, the spray it creates because of pressure differences near the surface, and the weight of the boat leaning on the bent shape, it seems suboptimal. Why not make the arms more straight, and sail the foils at an angle, like a kitefoil going upwind?
The point about the foils doesn't hold true (@3:43). Firstly, if there is a difference in angle of attack between the rudder and main foil, the boat turns. This is yaw. Maybe you are referring to the amount of leeway (or in fact how they appear to lift to weather). Pure leeway is the result of foil shape and speed and the angle of attack of the foil. This is created by rotating the foil relative to the centre line of the hull. This would create an impression of the boat 'crabbing'. Like a gybing centreboard. However, this doesn't give a better sailing angle through the water. There may be some secondary benefits to rotating the sail plan relative the apparent wind or aero benefit. But it's not to directly sail a higher or lower course.
Ineos has a halyard lock rig issue 😉
Compliments to the swim cameraman 7:25
I expected you to make comments on the race. You must still be in quarantine.
Thought the Kiwis were going to make it about sailing not design. Keep the costs down etc. Don’t look like it.
America's cup is often called F1 on the water and that is an apt description. It is about sailing and technology. Pure sailing in equal boats has never been the point of the America's Cup. I think they have made attempts to contain costs and improve the sustainability of the sport but at its core it will always be an expensive high tech sport. These boats bare scant resemblance to previous monohulls. These are part boat part low flying aircraft. It's going to be compelling and spectacular viewing.
For sailing, look too the Olympic or fixed class stuff. The whole point of the Americas cup is the technological arms race
Great commentary, furthermost the last one!
Very good
shall i say, this is the equivalent of man going to the moon compared to the Wright Bros. 1st flight...🤷♂️
Спасибо за освещение ! Первенства прежде всего конструкторов и технологий , полезно наблюдать эксперименты по совершенствую судов в реальном времени ... В рамках жестких правил и норм , появлялось бы в первую очередь, мастерство гонщиков ... В данном случае конструктора выступают в роли пионеров ведущих в будущее ! Через некоторое время , удачные решения , найдут свое применение в обычной практике ! Думается так ...
Thanks for the lighting! The championship, first of all, of designers and technologies, it is useful to observe experiments on improving ships in real time ... Within the framework of strict rules and regulations, the skill of the racers would appear first of all ... In this case, the designers act as pioneers leading into the future! After a while, successful solutions will find their application in ordinary practice! I think so ...
Thankx So Very much for Your focus with Improving "Ships"- Not Boats!!!
Indeed, The Skill of the Racers- (Transcending Riding Styles)- with More Dynamic Safer Fun Per $$$$ , going hand-in-hand, seeing/being/doing that Essence to The Timely Singleness Of Purpose with the Need for Speed is with Ships not Boats in Real Time.
Truly, Daily Applied Aptitudes for Creating rallying points of interest and Advocacy begins with Timing/Need and Universal Purpose- such a future "Polished" Concept and Configuration Prototype model for cloning would be somewhat in Flavor like the VPLP/OceanWings "Nemesis-One" c/o (www.nemesisyahts.com); except with Modual-Component logistics and Function, without the luxury Superstrcure Accomodations- Doing "Aloha~Service" in Tonnage with Equal-Valued-Exchange; just Imagine the future Global World-Wide Initative Modern Clipper Ships, both mono & multi hull Flying Ships. Could very well Be a most Expressive Game-Changer-Ok.
@@saitohshihomi5649 I am very passionate about hydrofoil ships, to the best of my ability I promote this topic ... But for widespread use by everyone, not only in races, but also in everyday needs ... I am trying to create cheap and affordable ships ...
It only matters to, well, nobody!
Are the foil arms in the same relative position to the mast on all boats? Is this a controlled dimension or open to design influence?
Is the noise the boats make when foiling due to cavitation?
Wouldn't it be a shocker if, after all this impressive testing of the boats, the federation gave every team a trophy for 'doing a damn good job' and nobody had to lose?
Yes! I-Do Concur Kind Sir, The Grande~Shocker, of All Shockers. Inclusive not Exclusive- GC-32/AC/SailGP/OceanRace/Vendee/Jules Cup EXperinces ect. ect. And, If I might add, Fun Joy and Equal-Valued-Exchange, with Sharing and Caring that We as Human Kind, By Going forth with Exuding the Giving Back Spirit of Aloha, with the Timely Need and Purpose for Speed Again!
We the People can Proclaim that we can Go! Forward unto The Sum of The Whole and The Whole of The Sum with Awesome Breakthru Sailing/Voyaging as Ocean-Crosser's with Faster than the Wind Fun "Service" Mesmerizing Foundations.. America;s Cup designs/format/rules/venues/Personalities, are only a small part of the Bigger picture.
Indeed, hana hou ka kou, Just Imagine when non-Affluent Sailing "Emerging Nations" (3rd- World Communities) are given the equal Opportunity to Play The Game- The Greater~Possibilities will Be profound!
And they figure It out, and Build on the "Given" Equation and Beat Us Affluent Sailing/Speed/Flying Nations, at Our Own $$$$ Fanatical $$$$ Pursuits--Power struggles;
Now!!! That will be a True Game Changer that shall Truly Indeed on a Global Universal Perspective Be Accountable with Making The Difference with regards to the Need and Purpose of Sailing in General.
Let's Huddle Are You Game? God's~Speed for You and Yours with Many, many More Success~Stories, yet to come,
Maintain Da "Glide" and Continue-On with Sharing and Caring Unconditionally the Giving-Gift of a most Awesome "Surfilicious" day... (www.rellsunn.com) me ke aloha pumehana jj i r~c *DolFunHeart*
I'm showing my ignorance here. It is many years since I sailed, and that was just dinghies about 50+ years ago, but one thing that strikes me as really different (apart from the foils) is that it looks like when the boats turn through about 180 degrees, the sails don't change their orientation with the boat much - they may go to the opposite side of the boat, but are always close hauled. How does that work? What happens when they run before the wind, or do they never do that? There seems to be virtually no adjustment to their set. Sorry if this is a really naive question.
@@P1ckI3s Ah - I think that helps, thanks. Because the boat is travelling so much faster than my dinghy ever could (or did, anyway), the induced wind is higher, which means that the apparent wind is higher, and seems to be coming closer to the bow than the actual wind - did I get that right?
Steve Knight ---- Really good question. The differences between "wings" and "sails" is intriguing, and the answers here explain something about both, that seems to bring them closer together - except for the "lift" of wings. Heck, I was wondering if they'd go to spinnakers - how's that for naive?
@@davesmith5656 I wonder whether we'll ever get cargo ships with wings and foils? Not sure whether things would scale up, but maybe something the size of coasters would work. Add in self-sail ability and you could send fleets of them across the oceans, perhaps.
Go Kiwis
What happens after this one?
I suspect that one team will have the technical advantage and this race is already over. I hope I am wrong and it is back to tactics instead of design.
Tactics instead of design comes when the gauge has been stable for two or three AC !
This is very similar to formula one motor racing. If you don't have a competitive package you aren't in the race regardless of how good the human competitors are. This is both a sailing and technology sport.
Yeah but this is NOT the next step
A much Larger sail And both foils deployed
one pushing up one pulling down
The Biggest Problem is the "barriers" of Safely/Consistently/Reliable Breaking thru with the "Super-Cavitation" varibles- Possibly "The Next Step" elongelation of the frontal-node to rid the Concepts of Parasitic-n-Viscus Drag.
I am Sorry I do not know I'm not there now in Aucland with GPS "radar" Realtime read-out, and acurate data, but these AC 75's look to be not even touching 50 knots as yet- Looks like with eyes-on photo ops: 35 to 45 knots in straight line performance at best.
Hmm, Again- hana hou, Have any of The AC Teams seen that 50 knots Super-Cavitation Consistent Performance?! Larger Sail/in lighter Smooth Challenges, along with Faster/Safer Smaller Rigs in/with "Out-of-Control" Nuclear conditions- (Henceforth ala The New 18 meter WingSail Rigs with the SailGP F-50's have all Gone 50 knots-plus.)...
Foils are not the Answer- Air-Seal~Air/Water Ram Jet "Venturi~Glide" is Best Cost-Effective/User-Friendly -n- less Fragile/Safer/More Consistent, and Reliable for 360-degrees Singleness of Purpose for the Nees for Speed-Ok. aloha nui. Keep Pulling The Apparent, or Not! Have a most Precise Acurate "Surfilicious" Day. (rks)
7:25 Bingo
You should have far more subscribers. Why don't You remind during the video?
I would love to see a race with fewer restrictions on technology used. Allow solar power and batteries to run electric motors while setting a maximum weight for the batteries.
The America's Cup contenders are not boats, they are waterborne planes. Give me the good old days when people like Ted Turner, Buddy Melges and Dennis Conner competed on real sailing vessels.
And Le Mans should go back to racing model T Fords.
Piloted by the best sailors in the world and with no engines
Looks like the kiwi boys will be having issues with exiting their bikes on one side to get to the other as the race goes on. They look to be so deep in those holes they're in
I understand the need to constantly upgrade the boats with the latest technology, but aren't they getting away from the spirit of sailing.
What is “the spirit of sailing”???
The spirit of racing is innovating ways to go faster.
@@weatheranddarkness to me the spirit of sailing is being one one with the water and the wind. Is sailing still sailing when the hull is rarely in the water.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the want to go faster, but when does it that take the sailing out of sailing. At what point do we call these boats, planes?
@@howardwhite5131 It seems to me that sailboats have always been planes, they have two wings, one in the atmosphere, and one in the hydrosphere. When you design for atmosphere you get wings like birds. When you design for the hydrosphere you get wings like penguins. These new boats are just shifting more of the boat into the atmosphere as it is easier to gain speed in, but the hydrospheric has also become infinitely more sophisticated. I guess the main objection is that the sailors are now more inhabitants of the sky than of the sea.
@@howardwhite5131 It absolutely still is. And it's still moving with only the wind as the driving force.
You can call them planes when they don't require contact with the water.
'ello- 60 knots "Potential", Really??
Have any of these AC75's even Reached 50 knots as yet, Hmm, I-Do Wonder, will the Competition of Speed and Safety be a telling "Game-Changer", What Exactly Will Be Reliable and Exceptable- (Especially with G-Forces Directional~Changing aka Banging The Corners)!?!
Heaven-forbid are We going to experience the Factor of "Un-Exceptable" vs "Un-Reliability. keep pulling the apparent. aloha nui
ETNZ first boat Te Aihe reached 60 knots during training. Apparently the new boat would exceed that. Quite scary, hence the challengers may not want to race for the Christmas cup.
At what point do you stop calling these things "boats"?
Another great video again.
What does it mean to have "speeds of 50 knots" and "closing speed of 100 knots". Is that race speed and jiving speeds?
Good question. I may be wrong but I think he was stating that if you have two yachts both traveling 50 knots and they are heading towards one another then the “closing speed” of the two boats combined would in effect be 100 knots. That’s nutso fast esp on the water. I hope that makes sense and I’m correct:)
If they were sailing towards each other at full speed, 50knots each they would be closing at 100knots
@@PlanetSailOnline Yeah but how often will that happen -- you don't sail directly at your opponent (at top speed) ever under normal circumstances. On opposite tacks going upwind the VMG convergence speed would be like what--maybe 40 knots?
In match racing it is entirely possible that boats will be heading towards each other either in the pre start or in a dial down manoeuvre
@@dap777754 Closing speeds on opposite tacks might well be close to 80 knots if the boats are coming together.
Ahh, the world's working class favorite sport!
Lol!!
@Tombstone Station one boat for every 4 Orks is what I heard
@Tombstone Station I’m one that wanted to get away from Robert Muldoon left in 1980
@Tombstone Station Piggy had a way with words
Now I want to come back Scomo is just as bad lol
@Tombstone Station for 15 years coming home for holidays Orks were harping on about the underarm bowl (something Dennis Connor would do if he played cricket)
Over here it was celebrated
My Morris Minor would beat any of these radio controlled modellers pond not-yachts
Ahh...the high drama of the Cup begins...on Neptune's Kiwi patch...sailors, landlubbbers will binge watch this baby...F1, ya' say? Nah', a snooze fest...this thing, this is THE race...Merry Christmas!
Ted Turner
Thinking, what does a condom have to do with it...!
I herd the yanks a pulling out ?
No - that was Stars and Stripes the second American team that have just announced their official withdrawal
@@PlanetSailOnline Thanks for that, Thought was a bit strange
Call it the Designer’s Cup. The crew are irrelevant
Ahoy Lenin San, Yes! I Concur "The Designers Cup", except Not Boats But Way over due Crossing Oceans Capacity Aloha Service Ships of the Future- Again with Singleness of Purpose The Need, and Timely Purpose for Speed with be Resurrected, taking from yesteryear 1846-1869 The Golden Era of The Clipper Ships- Ok. aloha nui ka kou.
Lenin San I Get You! Your Words with this "Public" domain is a True/Pure/Honest statement:
Thankx So Very Much for Your Timely Delivery of the words that very well could be the Projection with Where We are Headed with The Truth The Life The Way that WE will Collectively and Connectively Cross-Pollinate (collaborate) Towards. Mahalo and Arigato for Your Inspirational Kind Words.
"Crew Are Irrelevant", that could very well Be the Greatest Revelation-n-Revolution with Regards to the America's Cup Global Outreach, especiaily when the Venue and Format is Open and Organized to Include the Non-Affluent "Emerging-3rd World Nations" Expressing Themselves with The Joy Under Sail are being allowed to$$$ Play the Game Equally-n-Fairly$$$... Ok.
The Future of The AC Reality May very well be Autonomous with NO-Crew Members as The Flavour Of The Days to Come.
Indeed, This Crew Being Irrelevant Scenario of the Future- (Robotic-Control, with "pilot" assist Singleness On-Board human-factor for Applied FailSafe Programed Check-System, along with even Safer Cross-Over Back-up Precise programing)- could very well Be the most Relevent "Game-Changer"...
However Way that We as Sailers/Foilers/Flyers/Penetrating-SolarWindWaveSurfers Define Our each Individual Ex-psyched- (Stoked/Crypt) Experience with the Need and Purpose for Sailing in General; Flying Boats- Or Should I/We say Flying~Ships of the Future will Be the Utmost Safest~Fun and Reason to Go Faster than the Wind that will quantify, and qualify Our True Need and Purpose for Speed upon/within/thru Air and water of the Oceans and Seas.
Absolutely, with this/that Future Timely priority Being Express Our take on the Truthful Applications with rallying points like the America's Cup Match-Up Competition/VendeeGlobe/ The OceanRace/Throphe'eJulesVern'e SailGP ect. ect. Supplementation for FailSafe-ness checks and balances to Be Totally Reliable is Indeed the very best Consistency with The Unknown, this future Proven Convicted Way by Sharing and Caring what WE have as Passion and Compssion will Be The GoodWill with Insuring The Equal-Valued/Equal Opportunity; along with Greater~Possibilities with Regards to Saving Sailing from It'sSelf. Well Done John San, for Your Inspred Thoghts.
Just Imagine the Future of The America's Cup being Autonomous Global World-Wide "Singleness of Purpose" ALOHA SERVICE SHIPS Sailing/Foiling/Flying/Gliding "Around" serving the needs and Purposeful Solutions and Fellowships with All Humanity as The Whole of The Sum being the Giving Results... {Conceptual examples: "by-the-numbers" Migaloo (migaloo-submarines.com)/141m. "Dream Symphony"/(vplp.fr) & (nemesisyachts.com) Nemesis-One.
Indeed, such a future scenario for "Giving-Back" Resultions would truly Express this Timely Out-Reach "given~focus" with Our Thriving with The World-Wide Global ModernClipperShips-Initative-Ok. Pulling The Apparent, or Not, Continue To Be At-One-ment with The "Pulse" of The Wind and The Waves, and Enjoy The Sweet Effortless "Glide"; Oh! and No-Forget, as Our Gracious Giving Queen of Aloha KAPOLIOKAEHUKAI All Way exude Unconditionally, Have a Most Awesome "Surfilicious" Day... (rellsunn.com) me ke aloha pumehana.
It's been cancelled
America's cup world series matters? i doubt it. and these things they call boats? Amazing technology, but leaves very little for the crew to actually do in order to win!
These boats are an irrelevant, unrepresentative waste of time. I'm sure this Americas Cup will be watched by all of 25 people.
Nice one Matt, a really good overview!