How Much I've Spent Repairing My 12 Year Old BMW 5 Series - E60 / E61 Cost Of Ownership
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
- In this video I’m going to go through all the receipts and detail how much I’ve spent repairing this 10 year old E61 5 Series. Obviously I’ve done most of the work myself so I’ll also estimate how much BMW would charge you if you had them do the repairs.
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if all videos were made with this level of thoughtfulness (content, production, presentation) , youtube would be a better place
Big thanks mate. Glad you like them.
@@RoadandRacetv I really agree with mothaybabonam, as the video finished I had similar thoughts and then saw the comments. Really appreciate the content!
Thats amazing but still costs less per month than a monthly payment for a car on lease like most people do nowadays. Plus you get to keep the car! With all the work the best thing is the peace of mind that the work has been done and under your ownership. Great series.
This is so accurate! I own a e61 for 6 months now. Its strictly 150 EUR a month for parts so far
Not bad at all considering how good of a drive the cars actually are.
Agreed. There’s not much that compares to the pure motoring bliss you feel behind the wheel, and in a size vehicle that is *just* right.
I’ve had 5 E60s - currently have an 09 550i M Sport. Wouldn’t trade it for anything.
@@scootitnbootit9231 would you trade it for a M5?
@@johnyp2967 not a snowball’s chance in hell. One of my previous E60s was an M5. Absolute nightmare to own. Great car for the 1/10th of the time that it actually worked.
My 550i is supercharged. It’s wickedly fast. The only thing I miss is that screaming 8,000 RPM redline. That’s intoxicating.
@@scootitnbootit9231 so when you inviting me over for a ride in it 🤣
The cost from BMW is pretty insane, but even ignoring that figure, it's still a shockingly expensive car to own.
I think the reality is that BMW never made these cars to last hence why things that should really last the life of the car fail.
I own an E46 and I work on it myself. Would I recommend someone who wasn't enthusiast buy one? No.
Really enjoyed watching all your car vids 👍. You deliver in a clear and concise manner with the right amount of content . Keep up the good work . One small thing if the car is all fixed, do I really have to wait 3 years till you get your next project for the next top tips 😂
Big thanks. Lol, no, they'll be another project around after the garage is built.
Congratulations on the end result of this beauty and how the costs came out for you, that's absolutely great in my opinion.
Since halfway nice examples of this car here in Bavaria do still cost around 10thsd Euro I would say, you made a great value out of it by repairing it all the way through by yourself.
I will definitely miss those episodes... but also am looking forward to what comes up next.
Great video, great job, great car
Greetings from Bavaria
I've watched your whole series and you've done a great job! I am not as good with cars as you are but you've explained everything in such great detail that I almost think I could actually do it myself.
Thanks mate. Glad you liked them.
I've really enjoyed watching your vids on the E61. I've got one identical to yours, LeMans Blue too, but a Business Edition 525d M Sport on a 59 plate. I bought it in 2016 with 144k and it's now on 182k and still drives like new. Like any car it can be a money pit, but if you're handy with the spanners and willing to have a go, you can keep the costs down. It's a lot of car for the money. It can easily achieve 40-50mpg if your sensible and is great fun and very agile for a big car if you put your foot down. Ticks all the boxes for me!
Good job. The E60 is such a stylish car and it still draws attention on the road.
Your verdict says it all :) luckily you are in the postion to cut labour and choose your parts yourself for best price repairs.
Please keep us posted on this car. All the best!
Interesting stuff, hope you and your family are keeping safe and well Neil. Thanks for the video.
Thanks, you too!
Nice video, the content is great! I really appreciate the summary of the costs, this is really informative for new owners or maybe potential owners of these kind of cars. I own a '07 E91, sadly the previous owner wasn't so meticulous regarding the well-being of the car (he really wasn't a car guy) and many parts were worn out the time the car got to me but at least I bought it here in my country for a fair price.
Excellent enjoyed the journey. My 2006 520d 2006 I've had for 12 years hasn't been that costly to keep on the road. 189k but it's on borrowed time (I've been saying that for 4 years) with still original DPF, auto box exhaust. But it's been great to drive. My shocks went out at 142k
Great series. I wish they had sold that model in Canada. I've seen a few 5 series wagons, but none with the diesel. Too many suv's over here. Would love to see an update in the future, see what sort of mileage you get, how reliable it is and if you still like it. Keep up the good work.
Great vid, certainly the best way to own these cars, if your an enthusiast and enjoy doing the work yourself, doesn’t have to be expensive!
Great video. Love your work. Did notice the LUT change at about 4:23 though 👍😉
Thanks John. Yes, good spot. Nevermind, eh?
What's especially amazing is just how timeless the car looks! I love a good estate car, wish I had one!
Couldn't agree more!
Great video there and well detailed, they are a lovely car but as you well know the E60/61 seem to like money being thrown at them.ive had my E39 twelve years now and thankfully it hasn't been that hungry for the cash.🤞🤞
Great vid! Other things to keep tabs on: injectors - make sure they aren’t leaking or may need a refurb at that mileage. Also keep an eye on timing chain rattle.
Great point!
Very informative! Great video!
Glad it was helpful!
Damn that was helpful thanks for this video, I've just looking for my 535d. Thanks mate.
Regards from Poland.
I have spent a lot of money on mine over the 10 months of having it and don’t regret any of it. After watching these videos I decided to get a new set of wheels because I had a wobble at certain speeds. I’ve done all the thermostats, AC condenser and a whole new front end (suspension). Totally worth it.
Good to hear John. What wheels did you get?
Road and Race I went for 18 inch Zito 935 in black. They fit and look really well. My 61 is the same colour as yours but an LCI. Need a black grill now.
I bought a 2007 335d 2 years ago and has been a money pit love and hate the bloody car. Good video buddy.
Great vid and channel!
i have 535d e61 for over 3 years now, year 2005. even though i've bought it quite cheap (5 k euro 3 years ago), i knew i'll have to invest some money and time to it because it wasn't in perfect condition. didn't know that it'll be such hell of a trip though. major headaches were active steering column repair, twin turbo manifold full restoration, rear air suspension (air bags, compressor, hoses needed attention), trunk door wires needed to be fixed. this alone cost around 1.5 eur. thermostats had to be replaced, egr valve, front windshield, some intercooler, vacuum hoses, glow plug relay (2 times) with plugs included. automatic transmission oil and filter also was kinda expensive. all in all, the car needed 2-3 k investment over time, engine oil and filters excluded. thinking about it now i have mixed feelings of pain and joy because it was expensive, time consuming and extremely painful to hear that bmw "bling" sound every time an error in idrive occurred. on the other hand, it was nice to have a executive model that pulled like a freight train. i am now thinking about selling this car and buying a cheap city car for daily driving. just don't know yet what to choose to avoid high costs of maintenance like i had before. but it's hard to choose any when you're used to that early 00's bavarian luxury
Great video, thanks. I'm currently trying to decide what to do car wise, stay in the company scheme, PCP, buy, loan, 25k, 20k, 15k, 10k, less... I have no clue 🤣🤣🤣
Just bought one yesterday 153,000miles on the clock so I’ll be watching your videos religiously
how did it go? Im considering buying one with similar mileage
@@Santad1917 It was fun while it lasted but I unfortunately did get rid of it because it had a cat code. Wasn't wiling to drop a few thousand on that car it also needed a number of other items that I was ok with but the Cat being replaced was the nail in the coffin. If I'm able to find another one with less miles and damage I will def. take the chance.
Great video, thanks.
You are welcome!
Great vid
Lovely Jubbly matey.
A good explanation of the TOC (in this case calculated). But hey, at 150 per month , there isn't much out there and whatever there is will be several classes below this BMW .
My previous used civic 1.8 owned for 5 years have had a depreciation of 1k a year. Sold via part exchange so I got a hit. Repairs and maintenance another 1.3k ish roughly. All in all decent cost of ownership for running a 5 year old car to 10 years old so this is the way to go.
I have a 2004 M-Sport 525D had it 12 years 220k - 140k are mine. Big jobs Turbo actuator - re-wiring the boot loom - and not had a functional I-Drive for 3 years - rear suspension joints all replaced - today waiting on a delivery for a Turbo intercoller pipe that has split so might do the EGR clean. Been a bargin really cost me 10k don't think I have spent much more than 2k on parts. 1k per annum lifetime cost if I binned it today is much cheaper than these lease deals on a Corsa lol.
I think what will kill it off it will be the electrics.
Great videos on the 5er!
Great video, I own E61 30d m 07 for two years my bill is about £2500 (independent garage and self repeating). Its not bad if you compere with Audi A6 and Mercedes E class...
My drive shafts we’re clicking. Only noticed when parallel parking or manoeuvring when your changing from forwards to backwards. I done 30k in my 535d and it never got any worse so I’m glad I just left it. I found videos were if you grease the splines, the clicking stops as it’s just a bit of play.
Very interesting makes you think how much we spend on these cars I haven’t totalled what I spent on my boxster it would frighten me 😂🙈
Excellent video, glad I found it, even more glad you made it :) Learned a lot in terms of what to expect and how much it costs. I've been driving a 2003 E46 318d for two years now. This car is so "cheap" (reasonable priced maintenance) I couldn't be more satisfied, but on the other hand, I have my eye on a E61 530xd for some time now. I guess parts and maintenance for 530xd is a bit more demanding, right? btw, beautiful car you've got. Stylish, nothing extreme.
Great to hear!
9 months later.....did you do it? Hope not!
@@norwegianzound I kinda did it :) I bought 2005 E60 525i with M54 engine. So far so good :)
Thinking of your comments re the DPF, I had mine cleaned on a '57 120d at 150k miles and learned that the cause was that the normal cleaning process will not take place if the car is not at normal running temp with a pretty full fuel tank so I guess if you had a thermostat problem, as I did, that might have caused your dpf problem. My car at least monitored the differential pressure across the DPF which is how it determines it has a problem.
Rhian Taylor I had the same issue on my 530d. It led to turbo blown in the end.
OMG OMG OMG so much ....... I will never give up on E36 and E30.....
HI There just bought a BMW525 LCi from 2009.. got a lot of info from your channel thanks for that .. question: how to update te navigation.. you got any clue? keep up .. your doing great .;-)
Pah !
I've got a manual '53 530i, which is now on 193k miles.
I've owned it for, err, 9 years and put 107k miles on it.
Overall, it's been great. Had the occasional large-ish bill (new brake lines - £650, although that was possibly Quick Fit pulling a quick one and it's had a new 'rack, thermostat and intake bits... oh, and a sprinkling of coils).
If you ever want to sell said manual 530i please let me know - that's exactly what I'm looking for and can't find anywhere!!
@@EasyPCUK
Thanks !
They can be quite difficult to source.
I was specifically after a manual one with leather seats, which took some searching for and nearly all the manual's were cloth and the leathers auto.
However, there are 2 on Auto Trader right now at £3k with far fewer miles than mine !
I drove an 07 E60 550i 6spd manual for 12 yrs and 183k miles. All told....in maintenance and repairs, I spent $33k in those 12 years. The worst repairs being the valve stem seals ($7k) and the crossover coolant pipe ($3k).
I think that is pretty expensive even doing the work yourself on a 12 year old BMW with average mileage. Likely it'll get better as perhaps it won't need a lot for a while now - hopefully..! Keep it another year or two and that monthly cost will tumble I reckon and it's a good looking thing!
How's it going with your garage? Have you started the construction work?
Neil, whats your real MPG with this? Own a e91 330d just now but looking at something a little bigger and a little more economical, cheers.
I live close to you and please tell me if you decide to sell it as I would be seriously interested! Keep up the great channel!
Ive got an 06 e46 320cd that ive had 3 years, bought on 145k miles now on 175k, its came with fsh and 2 owners in the same family, Since buying ive done, 4x oil and changes, jetex airfilter, pollen filter x2, 2x fuel filters, swirl flap blanks, both thermostats and fresh coolant, poly wishbone mounts, coilovers as had a leaking shock. so not too bad, but my brake lights come on on the dash, so new pads and maybe next, and my airbag lights been on for a couple of weeks, but I cant get inpa to talk to my car anymore for some reason. Ive also changed wheels and tyres, 120 for one set of tyres and 170 for my current wheels and tyres, and fitted hid's.
Which low beam bulbs did you get?
Did you change orange angel eyes to white?
Hi there buddy I’m thinking about buying a 530 D 2004 With a DPF problem can you recommend what to try first I have watched some of your videos and also could you recommend to buy parts from
Ouch, that's unlucky. I bought an 08 5 series just over a year ago with 143,000, now on 160,000. It's only cost me a service and a couple cosmetic upgrades.
520d?
@@RalphWiggum93 Yes the 520d. Economical as well as providing good power.
I got average £72 a month in a seat Leon MK3 from 2014. Owned it for 2 years. That includes all repairs and insurance. Not fuel though. What are your thoughts on this.
Great video as always...well it's a used car after all.. So it will need repairs and maintenance.. But if it didn't need work.. Then there will be no fun during fixing it and make it reliable 😉😊🤗, right?
Great point!
does the thermostat issue also affect the n52? You said 2 driveshafts. Did you mean the 2 axles?
So if you would have bought the another BMW 5 series but for 6350, do you think you would not have to spend anything for repairs then? or was 4000 + repairs the best deal?
hi, does the 550i 2006, have the EGR thermostat and valve?
Very nice car for that money, in Sweden a sorted example with all the kit would be 9000 - 11000 pounds
Was your clicking from the driveshafts constant or was it once when your stepped on the accelerator?
Clicked on acceleration and deceleration.
Any update on the e60?
Hi where was the dpf cleaned?
Can I ask how many miles you do annually? I run second hand car as my mileage is so high (20-25k pa), and depreciation/lease cost is huge.
For me it's cost per mile rather than cost annually that's the indicator I'm calculating... A V70 D3 on '63 with 140k on the clock is costing about 29p a mile - that's small loan, insurance, tax, fuel, tyres, service and maintenance.
The BMW Dealer parts & labour prices 🤑was truly shocking 😳
Having some basic mechanical knowledge & shopping around for pattern replacement parts can save you thousands of £££
Well said
The e61 touring has a very common fault. The electric tailgate goes wrong and is very expensive to fix. I had two problems. The hydraulic fluid was leaking, so the tailgate stopped working. The second problem is the electric strut came out of the bolt because it is worn-out. I am not sure if you have covered this. I fixed both of these problems. If anyone needs help, let me know.
you need to highlight the hidden dash menu , and how to access it & the water temperature.
Why would he do that he uses carly
Engine oil & filter once a year or every 10k
Bought a Lexus ISF a year ago ( 5 litre v8) failure costs so far £0 (servicing £259)
Taking out the cost of both vehicles, the 5 series and the m3. What is the difference per month for repairs and replacement parts?
I’ve done a M3 ownership costs video a while back if you wanna check that one out?
I thought the car could tell how blocked the dpf was from the differential back pressure reading from the exhaust? I had a e90 330d and I remember the bmw specialist saying this?
A specialist BMW tool like ISPA can read the back pressure but as far as I know it won't throw an engine code based solely on back pressure. Happy to be told wrong though.
@@RoadandRacetv ah ok. My dpf was showing as blocked at 100k miles. Suppose it depends on the type of driving
For the money you can't beat a good E61
Such a cry shame to get a diesel when the petrol n52 is lovely
Hi I have a 2012 520d on 109k I’m thinking of getting the auto transmission fluid changed did it make much difference when you changed yours and did you do it your self ?
Thanks
Neil
The F10 is more expensive to service. You'll have to get the pan and filter along with the oils. It's all one unit unlike the E60s.
czcams.com/video/Kf4OBEvAJiU/video.html F10 DIY
It’s worth doing. I didn’t notice any difference but it’ll keep the transmission in good health.
i have 2007/01 530xi and spend already much more money, defective xdrive motor, defective panorama roof, defect engine, defect electrict devices, defective watered diversity antenna broken wires, water pump, starter, ignition coils, cooler broken pipe, now even unrapaired, PDC sensors getting defective crankshaft sensor, blind headlight(the glasses) defect wiper behind(the mechanic is rusty) and the backdoor is not closing anymore -force needed. so in between 2010 to 2020 i spent about 10kEUR even more
Song?
Well done! These cars are lovely but junk when compared to almost any equivalent model (not that there are many).
150 quid a month is not bad at all , my 318i F30 has done about 100k miles and costs me 150 a month.
What happened to 350Z?
damn, oil change on 20k miles ... in Bulgaria we do it every 10-15k km, which is about 6-9k miles. I would not recommend 20k miles even if the oil producer and BMW says LL can last 20k miles ...
Where do you buy your spare parts from please? Thank you.
Micks Garage usually. Sometimes Autodoc. Sometime eBay.
Where did you get the ramp blocks?
Race Ramps
Not bad really Neil if your are keeping it three years lol
Regarding the air suspension compressor: it is very expensive at BMW, but this site offers OEM quality air suspension parts. I know because mine comes from there and has worked flawlessly for the last seven years.
www.air-suspension-shop.com/Air-Supply_6
And watching this video, consider what I already gained by maintaining and repairing mine for the past 13 years I own it... And it will go on for many years to come, because to me it is a great car.
I pay the same for my 534d
what would scotty kilmer say ?? "ENDLESS money pit" :D
4.5k so far. 8 months of ownership. This includes modifications however, a few of them.
I got a 2009 323i with 93000 miles and even that is a money pit bought it for 3000 canadian and when all is said and done its going to be around 5500$ doing all the work myself .. Bmw owners dont seem to like doing maintenance or repairs on their cars...
130000 miles it's not bad
Knowing what we know now with the prospect of paying 12,000 GBP for repairs I wonder how you go with a Seller by saying "Not worth anything, but I'll take it off your hands for nothing"
If at the end of 3 years you decided to rid yourself of it, by breaking it up for parts I imagine you would get back more than 4,000 GBP.
For those that didn't know, OEM cost of spare parts is about 1/20th of the cost charged by Car Manufacturers.
20000 miles between oil Change is crazy I change my oil every 6-7 Thousand miles. And it sounds like you brought a lemon.
You have a nice car now and it drives as good as a new one. Enjoy
Now do my e91 320d.
Wait.. engine oil change every 20k miles... Are you serious?!
Антон Поддубнов I do mine every 5,000 👍
@@TheDeadPlate Exactly. What 20k miles is he talking about...
That's a lot of money.
Glad I bought an e39 instead
Great set of videos though
Just as expensive and needy plus they rust!
To be honest nothing really dramatic broke on your car. Most of what you have done is maintance. Imagine if something like the turbo brakes, egr valve, intake cracks, fuel injectors goes bad, gearbox faults, timing chain rattle even more you haven't done anything on the suspension. I don't hate on Bmws, they are nice cars, but you can't deni they are money pits. And btw got 2 friends with the same cars as yours, one is a sedan, and I maintain them.
I just bought a BMW but I want to check out all the things you just mentioned in the video, do you recommend I go down to BMW an pay the $370 to check it all out?
Please respond I love the vids
BMW - Break My Wallet.
Hahaha, you're not wrong, but that's some strong talk coming from someone with an Alpha badge as their profile picture
These things are famously unreliable. I personally do not believe that model is worth all that money to keep on the road. A newer model on HP would have been more financially viable.
But sometimes.... Keeping it on the road and spending hours thinking about your next repair is part of the fun.
You must be rich you have spent more then the car is valued
4000 pounds in UK. 10 000 euros in Germany...okay.
Right...so it’s a money pit
Also that's 5400 pounds....which is probably about 6300 euro (6298 actual with a quick google, what a guess), so for the price you paid in repairs and buying the car, I could have bought a 2013 Vauxhall Corsa with less than 100km, a 2015 Peugot 108 with less than 90km, a 2013 Mazda 6 with 120km, or a 2013 Hyundai i10 Deluxe with 130km.. and they're kilometers not miles.
But each to their own. :)