You need Christ's Holy Spirit to save you. Until then, my Savior will simply be a cross that you can buy from a five and ten cent store. (well, there use to be those kind of stores) Yes, Jesus Saves! But without Christ's Holy Spirit, you'll never experience the Redemptive Power of the Holy Spirit. Humbleness works well with God. From this position, you bring nothing to the table. Absolutely nothing. Which means you bring nothing, towards your ability to receive God's Grace for Salvation. He doesn't need your help. We're the ones who are stuck in this mess to begin with.
Calvinism only sees one side. They're right, for example, that a man's will is bound by sin, so it can not choose Christ apart from the work of the Holy Spirit. But the Spirit was sent "to convict the world", so that some choose to yield to the Spirit, while others continually resist Him by their own free choosing. God's sovereignty is God's business, and human responsibility is ours. One does not cancel out the other.
Your will is not as free as you think it is or you could just chose to never sin again. If you are saved by you decision making ability you are not saved by Grace which is the only way to be saved. If you are saved by the faith you provided you are again not saved by Grace because Ephesians 2 says we are saved by Grace through Faith; and that (Faith) not of yourselves (which is why it is grace), not of works, lest any man should boast. If you provided the faith that is what you can say, I provided the faith (Boasting).
@williamwagoner7857 Yes, but you left out the rest of the quote, "him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." We operate in time, and God operates in eternity. God's sovereignty and human responsibility are not in conflict with each other.
The Lord took me away from the charismatic church and into a reformed church. I’ve never felt closer to Jesus than I do now. I love my Arminian brothers and sisters from my old church but many seem to hate me and refuse to speak to me now.
Humbleness is the enemy of pride. Jesus said that they'll hate us. But they hated Him, long before they hates us. Pray for them. The Holy Spirit leads you to all truth. "They left us, because they were never in us," was our Savior's words. Why would anyone in Christ's church, has so much animosity over people, who claim to be Christians as well? Perhaps people who claim that they have the instructions to come to Jesus perhaps. No one can ever come to Jesus. The Holy Spirit comes to you.
I lean Calvinist but recognize much of the how of salvation is above my pay-grade. We trust in God with the how. Calvinists are called all kinds of names yet the Arminians attack with all kinds of arrogance. We all just need the gospel and need to put our faith in Christ. The rest we know the Father has in control. Thanks for this video. Right on speaking on this!
FACTS!!!!! The Gospel is everything....Jesus Christ and Him crucified. "Remember Jesus Christ, descendant of David, was raised from the dead" (2 Timothy 2:8). He died on Friday and raised on Sunday. This is the entirety of why we believe.
1 Corinthians 1:12-13 [12] What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” [13] Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? Acts 2:38-39 [38] And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [39] For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”
There will be a time when we will all reach unity in the faith! To get there, our minds need to be renewed by the work of the Holy Spirit in us. This includes us sharpening one another as iron sharpens iron. Thanks, Corey, for assisting in this process. I have never been to reformed church, but I believe God has control of every detail of life. I am what I am by the grace of God - that includes the state of my salvation. May His Name be praised.
I agree with a lot of Calvinism-but I haven’t gotten a badge or tee-shirt stating that I’m a Calvinist. Doesn’t mean I agree with all of it. But I’ve learned so much, and have been tremendously blessed by listening to teachers who claim to be Calvinists, or agree with Calvinism; but they put their faith in Christ-not Calvinism. I don’t understand why people literally HATE Calvinism and those who’re professing Calvinists. Ive seen and heard so many Christians spewing horrible and damning words towards certain people who are respected and well known Calvinists. I agree with total depravity, sovereign election, and preservation of the saints. Christ and our Father in Heaven is responsible for my salvation. He caused me to be born again; He’s responsible for me continuing on with my walk with Christ, and me being regenerated. Not only that, I believe that especially during our time, that total depravity is extremely important. I say this because of how extremely prideful our culture is-not to mention, how narcissistic our culture has gotten; the whole idea behind total depravity, (in my humble opinion-so please, I ask anyone who disagrees not to unleash their inner Kraken upon me, just for mentioning this) is a must, and absolutely needed and required to humble us. To quote RC Sproul: “So the idea of total in total depravity doesn’t mean that all human beings are as wicked as they can possibly be. It means that the fall was so serious that it affects the whole person. The fallenness that captures and grips our human nature affects our bodies; that’s why we become ill and die. It affects our minds and our thinking; we still have the capacity to think, but the Bible says the mind has become darkened and weakened. The will of man is no longer in its pristine state of moral power. The will, according to the New Testament, is now in bondage. We are enslaved to the evil impulses and desires of our hearts. The body, the mind, the will, the spirit-indeed, the whole person-have been infected by the power of sin.” Also, I realized that I needed to stop giving myself credit for choosing Christ. He’s responsible for my faith, and me coming to Him. He gets total credit for absolutely everything. If my Christian brothers and sisters have hateful words towards me for this-claiming that this makes me a heretic, evil, or devilish for it, then they have a right to their own opinion. But at least I believe that my faith is in Christ. I try to love Him more than anything else in this world, and He works on my heart everyday, so that I can love others as He does. In the end, all glory goes to Him! Hallelujah! ✝️🙏
I think the actual hating of the way John Calvin thought about Scripture, takes a ton of power away from us. It also affects our personal free will, and people really hate that. Me personally, I don't trust me, so I find comfort in the providence of God. Am I a God robot like they say? Well, I'd rather be a God robot (possession) of Christ than put my faith in me. People long ago used to say "Let go and let God." In the me me me generation you don't hear that anymore. When I listened to R.C. Sproll, I found out he don't really understand the predestination of God either. He just reads it the Bible and believes it. People think Calvinists understand it, they don't.
Really appreciate you brother. I would quibble with your reading of 1 John 2:2 as a Calvinist myself, naturally, but I really dig the overall tone and approach of the video. Very solid. God's blessings on your week, sir.
I agree, John was an apostle to the Jews, and was writing to the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem in this passage. From their perspective, they looked at “whole world” as not just the Jews only, but the whole world as in beyond just the Jewish people. Even amongst the Gentiles, they still looked at people by groups of people in their culture in their day. Our culture today is the opposite, we see people not so much by groups, but as individuals instead.
Have you listened to those who are against predestination, and eternal security? They say it is another gospel, satanic, wicked etc.. you have to be awfully proud of your self to say those things.
Think of this world as a movie that has an "in the beginning" and a "the end." God is the producer and director of this movie. He has plugged it in, and now it is playing. He already knows the whole epic story. God is not confined to time the way we are. He sees it all at once. The word "freewill" is nowhere in the Bible. But the terms "will of God" or "His will" are found 35 times. God chose us before we chose Him. We are ordained to salvation, even before we believe. Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Romans 8:29-30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou has given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Ephesians 1:4 According as he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
@@christianforreal how horrible, instead of believing that a person dead in their sins can make a “decision” to choose God, they believe the Holy Spirit makes the decision. You can trust your free will, I will trust God
@@neverpc4404 God saves us but we have a choice to be saved. He does not force Himself on us. That's not love. He give us a choice.. if we didn't have a choice to choose or reject His sacrifice there would be no admonition in the Bible to believe On the Lord for salvation. But there is in multiple scriptures..quite notably John 3:16 This is very basic stuff. You can believe in a God who forces Himself on people. I believe in the biblical God who gives us choice.
@@christianforreal John 6:44 no one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws them. Along with John 6:37 Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me… v. 39 I shall lose none of those He has given Me The Father draws us and Gives us to the Son. That is not because you a dead in your sins, headed to hell, incapable of doing anything good unrepentant human made the choice of your own free will to follow Jesus. How arrogant you are
I despise being called a Calvinist. Calvin just wrote down what is in the Bible in a way that is easy for us to understand in our language. It's no different than Pythagoras writing down his theorem. Are we Pythagoras because we know and agree with his work? NO because we know Pythagoras didn't create the math he just explained what is true. I'm a Christian. There is only one God, who is perfect. He had a son Jesus Christ who died for our sins. We are all sinners by nature. We all are not worthy of the Glory of God. That is why Jesus died. Why would Jesus have to die if we can save ourselves? Ita common sense.
@@Budget_Conscious Asking to provide scripture makes no sense? Wow. I have noticed you never answer the question why you don't use your will to never sin again, I will help you out, you don't have control over your own desires (will).
Thanks Cory for this video I am reformed. I come from a Pentecostal background my grandfather was a Pentecostal pastor and my mother and father lead worship at a word of Faith Church currently. When people say Calvinism is evil it blows my mind because I did not grow up in it but I saw it in the scriptures before I even knew what Calvinism was. What you said about putting your faith in Christ and his work alone is exactly what Calvinists believe, if anything I believe it is only Calvinists that can actually say by grace alone and we push the limit on we have nothing to boast about more than Armenian theology. We did not improve our Grace we didn't push the needle. The only thing we did is lay there dead and God made us alive through the work of His son Jesus Christ in the application of the Holy Spirit. God bless you Corey!
If you look at some if the early Church fathers (1 & 2 generations out), they were saying the same things Calvin was saying. He wasn't a new idea. He was going back to some of the original thoughts.
What's up with all the Labels, where are all the true Child of God, the sons that God speaks about in HEBREWS CHAPTER 12. How many Labels does there have to be, when there's Only One God in Heaven, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and they are One. Praise Jesus Lord God and Savior AMEN.
The labels sadly are necessary because there are many different doctrines out there, especially after the American Great Awakening many groups splintered and were invented including many cults. The labels are usually just means of distinction.
I don’t know how scripture can be any clearer that :- that there is *one* way of salvation which is by * grace* through *faith* in *Christ Jesus* There was not one way we are being now, and the Old Testament saints another.
He who is Born of Flesh is Flesh, but He who is Born of Spirit is Spirit... Amen!!! Be Born Again! SOBER! Vigilant! And a Pure Heart! Washed in the Blood of the Lamb! Repentant! Discipline! Obedient! ETERNAL! Follow HOLINESS... Amen!!!
@@watchoutnow5419 First, let’s look at God’s holiness. What does it mean that God is holy? Passages like 1 Samuel 2:2 and Isaiah 6:3 are just two of many examples of passages about God’s holiness. Another way to say it is absolute perfection. God is unlike any other (see Hosea 11:9), and His holiness is the essence of that “otherness.” His very being is completely absent of even a trace of sin (James 1:13; Hebrews 6:18). He is high above any other, and no one can compare to Him (Psalm 40:5). God’s holiness pervades His entire being and shapes all His attributes. His love is a holy love, His mercy is holy mercy, and even His anger and wrath are holy anger and holy wrath. These concepts are difficult for humans to grasp, just as God is difficult for us to understand in His entirety. what does it mean for us to be holy? When God told Israel to be holy in Leviticus 11 and 19, He was instructing them to be distinct from the other nations by giving them specific regulations to govern their lives. Israel is God’s chosen nation and God has set them apart from all other people groups. They are His special people, and consequently they were given standards that God wanted them to live by so the world would know they belonged to Him. When Peter repeats the Lord’s words in 1 Peter 1:16, he is talking specifically to believers. As believers, we need to be "set apart" from the world unto the Lord. We need to be living by God’s standards, not the world’s. God isn’t calling us to be perfect, but to be distinct from the world. First Peter 2:9 describes believers as "a holy nation." It is a fact! We are separated from the world; we need to live out that reality in our day-to-day lives, which Peter tells us how to do in 1 Peter 1:13-16. Holiness only results from a right relationship with God by believing in Jesus Christ as Savior (accepting His gift of eternal life). If we have not placed our faith in God’s Son alone to save us from our sins, then our pursuit of holiness is in vain. So, we must first make sure we are born-again believers (see John 3). If we truly are believers, then we recognize that our position in Christ automatically sets us apart from the world (1 Peter 2:9). After all, we have a relationship with the living God! Then we must daily live a set-apart life, not trying to "blend in" with the world, but instead living according to God’s Word as we study the Bible and grow in it.
FOLLOW JESUS!!!! Not one of us are righteous or without sin..... I listen to alot of different preachers.Stopped listening to alot of preacher's. Jesus Christ made it real clear , LOVE GOD with all your heart and LOVE Your Neighbor as yourself. Live by the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Realize its only because Jesus Christ died for us on the cross. All of our works are as filthy rags. This doesn't mean you shouldn't try to have any works. By the way I like your teachings Corey . I also like Voddie and John. Don't care who is what if they love Jesus Christ and have a decent amount of good doctrine. None of us are perfect. Follow Jesus........
This was a reasonable presentation done in the Spirit of Christ, unlike much of the banter going on these days. Frankly, I'm sick of the endless accusations of heresy from everybody and their grandmother. I don't agree with some of the points expressed here, but we're not saved by our understanding of things. We're saved by faith through the redemption of Christ, and the witness of the Spirit and the fruit of our lives is evidence of it. To me, the real questions are: do we believe, is the witness in us, and where's the fruit (I John 3:19-24)?. We can argue about the rest of it (and we surely will) until Jesus comes back whenever that may be.
Thank you Corey. Some of the most sound bible teachers I've learned a great deal from, including my all-time favorites Charles Spurgeon and Dr. Martyn Lloyd Jones, identified as Calvinists. I currently worship at a reformed church and have belonged to a reformed women's online group for years. I have yet to meet EVEN ONE Calvinist who believes one can live ungodly and habitually practice sin and still be saved. Quite the opposite! Calvinists simply exalt God's sovereignty over human determinism and recognize that it is God who causes us to come to faith, walk in holiness, and also keeps us in the faith, as is mentioned in 2 Corinthians 3:18 and 1 John 3:9. I also clearly saw this truth in scripture even before I knew what "Calvinism" was. I am deeply grieved by all the incessant over the top bad-mouthing of Calvinism and slander against Calvinists. With all the true heretical teachers, false Gospels, dangerous doctrine, and false converts invading the visible Church, you'd think some of you could actually recognize when others are on your same team. People are only serving the enemy's agenda by incessantly attacking true brothers and sisters in faith who clearly love the Lord, know and share the gospel, seek to walk consistently in holiness, and hold a high regard for scripture because of disagreement on SECONDARY issues sol that doesn't affect one's understanding of the gospel nor ability to accurately share it. As Corey stated, there are many belief systems that may place someone on the wide path that leads to destruction but Calvinism ain't one of them. Let's always be mindful of this overarching godly principle: 1 Corinthians 8:2-3 If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. 3 But if anyone loves God, he is known by God. Contrary to popular belief, most Calvinists take evangelism to EVERYONE quite seriously and preach the actual Gospel, not Tulip. A perfect example is Justin Peters who offers the Gospel in almost every video message, even when correcting and rebuking false teachers. I can't recall him spending any time going over Tulip because it is a secondary belief system not a primary focus of his Christian faith. We all need to seek greater maturity in this area and learn to discern outside of our secondary areas of disagreement and personal theological bias. One may be right that Calvinists are off in certain points on their secondary understanding of Soteriology . . . but scripture says so are most of us who think we've got it all down perfect. The beautiful truth is that God assures us that He knows His own.
Don't believe calvinist are narcissist. Their not all about themselves. Lot of them are very giving people who care about others. Least the ones in my family
So are you saying Duplantis, Copeland, Bickle and Kent Christmas aren't Narcisist? Kent Christmas says his floak are the Remnant. But he gives our fake Prophecies and speaks like he is a Authority because God talks to him and gives him all that Gobbledygook. Not all Chrismatics are nutty and love God. But all the False Teachers False Apostles are False Prophets are Chrismatics. And Unbiblical Gibberish speakers. I am not saying the Calvinist have it all correct but they don't do those things. They are more correct than Chrismatics. They are much more Reverant than most Chrismatics. I am not a Calvinist. But I get more Sound Doctrine from Calvinist. None of them are perfect. But I am a Berean and search and pray for truth in the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit will open your eyes through his word.
Do people online even know what the word narcissist means anymore. Anyone who holds strongly to a view and argues strongly against dissenting views is called a narcissist. Y’all would have even called Jesus a narcissist.
As it pertains to a believer that calls themselves a Calvinist, what profit them to teach such teachings? I can't understand and how would I as a believer continue in my sins, No I'm not saying that we're made perfect or sinless in this body, Jesus has given us power over sin. The Word of God tells us to walk in the Spirit, to put on the mind of Christ, to strive for the prize of the high calling in Christ Jesus: I don't go where I used to go, I don't do what I used to do yet I'm still far from perfect but I know I've been changed. Our understanding is what is lacking, before and after our conversation we must learn, we didn't know how serious sin was and is to our God and Father.
@@kgar5String I'm going to treat you like I don't know you because I don't know you and because we all speak differently; i presuppose that you meant that we turn from our sinful lifestyle because we will never be without sin while we are in this body. If you believe that you are perfect and without sin in this life maybe you've misunderstood the Scriptures. Calvinism is a dangerous teaching that confuses people, people think God created them for eternal damnation so therefore people turn away and hate God. And many people think in their arrogance that they're special and God loves them above others. There is so much wrong with Calvinism.
I know some pretty good Christians that are calvinist . Don't need perfect theology to love the Lord and be filled with the spirit. Also know some that think because of their perfect theology they're better Christians than others. Simply not true.
It sounds like you do not understand the brevity of the deception that is Calvinism and it's eternal consequences. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for *the LORD will not hold him guiltless* that taketh his name [character] in vain.
You yet to establish the deceptions or eternal consequences, please elaborate. What does the scripture quoted have to do with the conversation, I don't get the relationship?
What are the consequences for saying we are saved by Grace alone? What are the consequences for believing Jesus when he said we have eternal life now? What is the consequences for believing God when he says nothing shall separate us from the love of God? There just might be grave consequences for those who say otherwise. God's inspired scripture tells us of his character: “Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory?” (Romans 9:21-23). The vessels of wrath are contrasted with the vessels of mercy; one set is slated for destruction, and the other for glory. Who is the potter?
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Only a few go to heaven. So it won’t be what the majority believe.
@@user-xt8jg5fq4n Calvin actually didn’t kill servetus. The law enforcement did. Calvin was just a pastor and did not have the right to wield the sword due to not being a civil magistrate. Geneva was a Christian city. Servetus was a full blown anti christ and Calvin actually tried writing him to help him understand the Gospel but he didn’t listen and wanted to cause apostasy in Geneva. Calvin warned him not to come to Geneva because the civil magistrate would kill him for spreading heresy but Servetus still went. TLDR : Calvin did not kill servetus, the civil magistrate did
@@user-xt8jg5fq4nThis often told but not true. Listen on sermon audio to James White’s lecture on Calvin and Servates, it is under his church history series.
My experience with calvinism was having a pastor come into ny Baptist church and began teaching & preaching reformed theology. I met with the pastor several times as i was confused as to why the pastor was not teaching Baptist doctrine. The church eventually took the "Baptist" affilliation away from the church. I've since learned this is a common practice among reformed "pastors". I believe this is being intentionally untruthful and underhanded. The majority of the congregation did not know the distinction between Calvinism & Arminianism. I was told by my pastor, in front of the church, that my beliefs were heresy because i believed "the world" in John 3:16 meant unlimited atonement. I do not profess calvinism nor arminianism. I believe the scripture. I agree with you that there are "calvinistic" doctrines that are Biblical. I refer to that as biblical truth. I was told by my pastor that I didn't adhere to calvinistic doctrine because "it doesbt seem fair". To the contrary, I do not adhere to limited atonement because it is not biblical. Doctrine matters. If i knowingly attend a reformed church - ok. When pastors come into a church that is not reformed and have as a goal to change the doctrine of that church- unknowingly to the elders & congregation, that is called manipulation, being intentionally underhanded and untruthful. I believe at best this mindset is "the end justifies the means", at worst its unchristian behavior.
Corey are any of the teachings of CALVINISM, a stumbling block to Unbelievers. Does CALVINISM destort, the true gospel. Does the doctrine of the elect, make void the gospel, for Unbelievers that are trying to find God. DOES CALVINISM make it hard for someone TO HAVE THE FULL ASSURANCE THAT FAIT BRINGS. DOES CALVINISM, DISORT THE FREEDOM A TRUE CHRISTIAN SUPPOSED TO HAVE IN CHRIST.
Jesus said all that the father gives him will come to him, that eliminates any stumbling block. Jesus was the one who taught election and eternal security, the eliminates distorting the Gospel. Does the gospel of election void the gospel the answer is no, they rejected it on their own, everyone who goes to hell deserves to be there because of their sin. Does election make it hard for someone to have assurance of salvation, on the contrary it is the only way to sure, after seeing your decision making all of your life, you are counting on you? Never heard anything more foolish. God gave the Old Testament to prove man’s inability to maintain a good relationship with God which is the reason he gave a new covenant where he provided the solution The atonement, faith, the ability to live correctly, the power to remain. Ezekiel 36:25-27
Scripture answers everything, Jesus said all that the father gives me will come to him and he will not lose any of them, God is not going to miss out on anyone he intended to go to heave because of a man. The same person that said God gives him his sheep said preach it to all the world, we don't know who the sheep are and we won't know, Jesus said the Angels will separate the wheat from the tares when Jesus comes. Jesus said, “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them” (John 6:44). In other words, the only way we can seek God is if the Holy Spirit has first stirred our hearts with a desire for God. It is God who draws us to Himself. Ephesians 2:8 underscores this truth: “By grace are you saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God.” Even the faith to believe for salvation does not originate within our fleshly nature. God enables the fallen human heart to seek Him, when in our own self-centered rebellion we would never do so. Every good thing originates with God (James 1:17). Faith in God is a good thing, and so it also originates with God. I'm not sure what freedom you are talking about but here is what Jesus said. The true freedom that Jesus gives is freedom (1) from the penalty of sin-there is no more condemnation for those in Him (Romans 8:1), and no longer are we children of wrath (Ephesians 2:1-3); (2) from the power of sin-no longer are we in bondage to sin, but now we can do righteousness; without faith it is impossible to please Him, but, with faith, we can please Him (Hebrews 11:6); and one day we will be free (3) from the presence of sin-when our eternal life is fulfilled, we will be like Him and without sin (Romans 8:28-30). If you are talking about free will, if your will was free as we think it is, we could use that will to never sin again, name the person who's will was strong to do so.
@kgar5String CALVINISM. 1. T. TOTAL DEPRAVITY Calvinist, say we are dead, and that we can Not even respond to God unless he regenerates us. They turn salvation into a 2 step program, Get REGENERATED, then get BORN FROM ABOVE. 1st, God does a spiritual work that allows you to see the truth, then if you believe, you are born again. But the bible says,1 step is needed BELIEVE. New International Version JOHN 3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” This total depravity is said to result in a total inability to contribute anything to one’s salvation. ( But at the same time they teach age of accountability.) What a j😃ke English Standard Version JOHN 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when (the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God,) and those who HEAR will live. 2. U. UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION This means, only the ones Christ chose from the foundations of life are going to be saved, The rest are going to hell. BUT THE BIBLE SAYS. English Standard Version MATTHEW 7:13 (“Enter by the narrow gate.) For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. English Revised Version REV 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And he that heareth, let him say, Come. And he that is athirst, let him come: he that will, let him take the water of life freely. 3. L. LIMITED ATONEMENT They say Christ only shed his blood for The elect. BUT THE BIBLE SAYS. Berean Standard Bible 1john 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. YES, IT'S LIMITED TO WHOEVER WILL RECEIVE IT, BUT ITS OFFERED TO EVERYONE . 4. I. IRRESISTIBLE GRACE Grace that cannot be resisted, but its only for the elect. This is the belief that the elect (those chosen by God) are going to be saved whether they desire to be or not. New International Version Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: (YOU ALWAYS RESIST THE HOLY SPIRIT!) (Joshua 24:15). Joshua told THE Israelites that they had the ability to choose whom they will serve Peter told those on the day of Pentecost to save themselves (Acts 2:40). By BELIEVING. 5. P. PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS This means YOU HAVE TO persevere, hang on, hold fast to, not give up in order to be saved. BUT THE BIBLE SAYS. New International Version 1 CORINTHIANS 15:57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Calvinist make the death burial and resurrection of no effect, because if you are not elect it doesn't matter. Charles Spurgeon there is no such thing as preaching Christ and him crucified unless we preach what is called CALVINISM. What a joke! 🤔 First of all, notice that God gives man his soul (Ecclesiastes 12:7; Zechariah 12:1). Can or would God give a man an evil soul? NO. This would contradict James 1:17 which says that every good and perfect gift comes from God. God does not bring forth evil Psalm 51:5, X Psalm 58:3. X GOD IS THE GIVER OF THE SOUL, AND INDEED EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM GOD IS GOOD. THE SEED OF ADAM IS BORN WITH A SINFUL NATURE, BECAUSE OF ADAMS SIN , BUT ADAM HIMSELF WAS PERFECT AND SINLESS WHEN HE WAS CREATED. SO NO MAN WAS NOT CREATED WITH A SINFUL NATURE, ONLY HIS SEED WAS BORN WITH ONE. ADAM = MAN= PERFECTION. ADAM’S SEED = US = SINFUL NATURE. WHEN GOD SPOKE WITH CAIN, HE SAID TO HIM, IF YOU DO WELL , WILL YOU NOT BE ACCEPTED. THERE WAS NO TOTAL DEPRAVITY THERE. CALVINISM IS BLASPHEMY. THEY DO NOT TRUST IN THE FINNISHED WORK OF CHRIST AND THE FULL ASSURANCE THAT COMES WITH IT. English Standard Version HEBREWS 10:22 let us draw near with a true heart in (FULL ASSURANCE OF FAITH with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE, DOES IT TALK ABOUT BEING ELECTED FOR SALVATION, ONLY BEING ELECTED FOR SERVICE. There are those that God foreknew, and those he never knew. ROMAN'S 8:29 THE ONES HE KNEW. MATTHEW 7:23 THE ONE'S HE NEVER KNEW. JUST BECAUSE HE FOREKNEW YOU DOESN'T MEAN YOU WERE ELECTED. JUST LIKE THE ONE'S HE NEVER KNEW, DOESN'T MEAN THEY WEREN'T ELECTED. THE BIBLE CLEARLY TELLS US THAT THE JUDGMENT IS THAT THEY LOVED THE DARKNESS RATHER THAN THE LIGHT. WE ARE CALLED TO TAKE THE MESSAGE OF SALVATION TO THE WHOLE WORLD, SO THAT EVERYONE CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO BE SAVED, IF THEY WOULD BELIEVE IT. King James Bible 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. God talked to Cain, Cain didn't believe God. God talked to Abraham. Abraham believed God.
@@reynaldoperez7285 You missed the point, did any of them not believe? Ephesians 2 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. God gives us the faith through his Grace (favor that is not merited) just like the scripture says, not of yourselves. When you are sent by the father you will believe and continue to believe because the scripture says so.
How does it hurt someone’s walk? How about creating a God that’s based on a total lie that if you’re not part of the “elect” there’s no hope for redemption? If you can’t see the harm in that you’re not understanding Calvinism.
@@Budget_Conscious he doesn't agree with all of Calvinism . He has a clip on tulip and explains which are biblical and which aren't. He backs everything up with scripture
I'm torn between Calvinism and provisionism, but I think the answer could be somewhere in the middle. Some things are undeniably predetermined. Some things are up to us. Then again, we aren't even aware of most of the influencing factors in our lives, down to our genetic influences. I'm not sure we're even supposed to understand such a thing... “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9
God gave us the scripture so that we could understand, we have to read the scripture as though we know nothing so that we will not put our preconceived beliefs into the scripture. In order for God to have all of your heart, mind and soul he has to have the ability to shape even what you believe about him.
You are right, Ephesians does not say we are saved by faith, it says we are save by Grace through faith and that not of our own, meaning God graced us with the faith to believe him.
What I seen is , they hate Calvinist because they say that salvations is only by Christ alone and no works of ours play a part in our salvation. That’s the Gospel that a lot hate. That we are saved only by the Merit of ONE and not ours.
@@truthseeker5698 so I’m a puppet by believing that I’m saved ONLY by Jesus the Messiah’s perfect work on the cross , His blood and resurrection and not my works ?
@@completoencristo You’re a steward of the decision. Jesus The Messiah died for whosoever, unlike the christ of calvin. Indeed, calvinists are puppets.
You have plenty of Material to study up on Calvin's. You can't depend on what people tell you about anything to do with Theology. Be careful about from whom you take your counsel from. Be a Berean. Paul held the Bereans up high because they searched the Scriptures(the Old Testament because that is what the Apostles taught from) to make sure what Paul taught is correct. So research this and then you can help others.
Be ye none of these things and be ye holy for he is holy. That’s it. If you truly love Jesus Christ, be imitators of Christ and place his yoke upon you and learn from him. Read your scriptures over and over and over and put it into practice at every opportunity.
Calvinism is just biblical Christianity. So I’m unbiblical in giving God the glory in everything? He saved me and all of this is because of His good pleasure and from this day forward I sing amazing grace to the praise of His name. Yeah , that’s unbiblical and God doesn’t like me because I give Him all the credit!! Unreal. Read Ephesians 1:3-14.
Calvinism = God takes pleasure in the death of the wicked Bible = God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked Calvinism = God wills that most perish Bible = God wills that none perish So yes. Its dangerous. Its evil. Its blaphemy. Its not "silly" to defend the character of God against blatant heretics.
The whole Calvinist debate seems unnecessarily divisive. I feel about Calvinism the same way I feel about the "rapture". I've seen very convincing scriptural based arguments on both sides that just amount to different interpretations leading to different conclusions. Does it change the gospel of Jesus Christ? No.
It does change the gospel.. the God of Calvinism didn't die for everyone .therefore the gospel doesn't apply to everyone. But it does apply to everyone. It's a special gospel only applicable to special people God wants to be saved. And also Perseverance of the saints is subtle works based doctrine in and of itself which contradicts the gospel
@@christianforreal Yeah, but the rationale I've heard for unconditional election is that God knows who will choose Him, so it's more like an illusion of election. However, even if God did predestine some and not others, doesn't a sovereign God have that right? But even if true, the end result is a whole lot of people not just leaving Calvinism, but leaving God altogether for "not being fair". It's of the devil if you ask me.
@@christianforreal Why did Jesus speak in parables? He said because it is not for them to know, If I speak plainly they would repent. That eliminates wanting all men to repent. Jesus also said it (the gospel) is hidden from the wise and prudent. They certainly cannot be saved without the gospel. “Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory?” (Romans 9:21-23). The vessels of wrath are contrasted with the vessels of mercy; one set is slated for destruction, and the other for glory.
At 8:50 Cory says the direct object is “us” and the indirect object is Christ, what if it is the other way around, the “us” is the indirect object and Jesus is the direct object. Just my thoughts, because my view is Christ always was chosen even before the earth was created. The Father chose the Son (Christ) even before man has sinned, even before the fall of Satan from Heaven.
I never knew what Calvinism was, but I understood from the Bible that predestination has to be true, otherwise God is not omniscient. But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows. Luke 12:7 If God doesn't already know who will be saved, if it is a complete surprise to him, well, that's just ridiculous. God is the only one who already knows whosoever will. He also already knows whosoever won't. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. It really is all about God! Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Predestination has to be true, otherwise, God is not omniscient. The thing about predestination is that God is the only one who knows how it turns out. We are not privy to it. Therefore, we have to live our lives one moment at a time constantly making choices that we have no idea we will be faced with, until we are faced with them. We also have no idea what choices we will make, until we make them. However, God already knows. God knew exactly what would happen in the garden of Eden. That is why He put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil there. He did not have to let the serpent in Eden. It was in the plan of salvation from the beginning. Adam's sin was not a failure of God. It was His plan. That is why Revelation says that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. It was already in the plan. It is all about us coming back to God in repentance and falling on His mercy; and who will and who will not. Some will be wheat and some will be tares. Which is why he didn't give us our eternal bodies in the first place. God will sort us out in the resurrection or the harvest.
I confess that i find the Calvinist (Reformed) Pastors tend to be more solid in their teachings and i agree with most of what they teach. It doesn't mean that i don't listen to other respectable men of God who do not carry the label. But i find the way Calvinists are attacked is just unacceptable and unbecoming of anyone calling themselves christians. I remember listening to Pr. Mike Winger on Calvinism opposing the teachings of Calvinism and James White in reply called him a brother in Christ and went ahead to explain his position. I did not see or hear anyting bad or evil in their responses to each other. The problem must be with the uncontrolled followers who run away with partial understanding.
The plans of man are many, but all of them are of the Lord. The steps of man are many, but all of them are of the Lord. How would you like to end up being predetermined by God that there has to be a Judas to fulfill scripture? What does God NOT know before it happens?
Happened to be listening to Leighton Flowers today and he said something that's heartbreaking; he said that Calvinism had caused many people to reject the Bible, to reject God. Is that not dangerous? Flowers knows a lot more about Calvinism than most seeing that he once called himself a Calvinist and had since rejected such teaching. I guess it's just a Christian debate between Christians trying to prove themselves; why not just preach to gospel of Jesus Christ unto eternal life?
One of the dumbest things you can say, I believe Jesus is a little smarter than Leighton, Jesus said you can’t come to him unless the father sends him and he said he wasn’t gonna lose any. God doesn’t lose souls because of people.
@@kgar5String Calvinism is dangerous; thousands of people testify how they were confused by the damnable teaching: let God be God, do you know who God has drawn, if not please be quiet, Calvinism and Calvinist are dangerous.
That proves Leighton does not understand the scriptures, If Jesus says you can't come to him unless God draws them and everyone that God draws he will lose none of them, God does not miss sheep because of a heretic. Jesus said his sheep won't follow a strangers. God and Jesus is where Calvin got the tenets, God said he predestined before the foundations of the world, Jesus was the one who said now you have eternal life, eternal means eternal that is why he used that word. The Holy Spirit was the one who inspired the Paul to say nothing shall separate from the love of God and nothing included you. What is dangerous you trying to do what God said he will do.
@@kgar5String You sound like Piper, with all due respect I never know what yaw are saying; you try to quote Scripture from anywhere trying to defend Calvinism, I don't know what you're saying. I'll tell you like I tell the rest of your Calvinist brothers let God be God; let God be true and every man a liar. You're pointing to Scripture as if you know the heart, whether someone is saved or not. Calvinism is arrogant.
Calvinism is very deceptive and depends on twisted definitions of key terms. At first one may seem to agree with many if not all of the tenants of Calvinism; however, as ones eyes are opened to the deception it becomes clear how wrong it its. The use of deceptive terms to argue its positions makes Calvinism particularly evil and not merely wrong in my opinion.
@@Budget_Conscious Your heart is showing, you fill the live chat and the comment sessions with insults, if you had the heart of the father you would have compassion for people like he does which includes the "Calvinist". It seems as though your objective is be smart, right and combative. Insult are made to hurt is that your intentions? What you make happen for others God will happen for you.
If the spotless lamb and the scapegoat on the Day of Atonement were only for God’s chosen people (ie the nation of Israel) and not for the extant surrounding nations, “Who are you, O man, who answer back to God? …” Romans 9:20-21.
It's interesting how anti-Calvinists say Calvinism is prideful and delusional but at the same time they themselves insist they're the one who chose God and without their freewill, God’s offer of salvation would be ineffectual
@@Budget_Conscious Was it God who chose you from before the foundation of the world or was it you who chose to accept God’s prevenient grace? Wouldn't that contradict John 6:44?
@@kgar5String There's only one gospel by which anyone is saved in the OT and NT, circumcised and unconcircumsized - ie by faith alone. “Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.” Romans 4:9-10 ESV
You’re just wrong. There’s some doctrines that are evil and Calvinism is one of them. Of course we can agree on a lot of what is common beliefs but when you do the deep dive on Calvinism you find out that they’re indicting God for the evil in this world and that He created people without the possibility for redemption. Iow’s He crated people for their destruction and His glory….does that sound like the God we read about in the Bible?
It sounds like you are judging God with man's standards, God is the only one who could determine what is good and what is evil. Let's see if it sounds like the God we read about in the Bible. “Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory?” (Romans 9:21-23). The vessels of wrath are contrasted with the vessels of mercy; one set is slated for destruction, and the other for glory. The God of the Bible is the Potter. God has the right (as the Creator) to have mercy on whom He will have mercy and the right to harden whom He will harden (Romans 9:18). Paul cites God’s dealings with Pharaoh in Exodus as an example.
God doesn’t create people for destruction or his glory. Every person was created in God’s image, if they fail to believe on Him it’s their fault not God’s. He desperately LOVES each and everyone He’s made. He went to the cross for us and showed us His love. How dare you even suggest God is the author of evil!!! Calvinism is wicked, it twists scriptures to fit the doctrine. It’s false.
@@lapdog4135 Wait a minute, I think you misunderstand, This is holy spirit inspired this scripture that Paul wrote, I did not make it up. sounds like you don't like who God is. did you not read the scripture? That is God talking, he is the potter. Are you arguing with God? “Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory?” (Romans 9:21-23). The vessels of wrath are contrasted with the vessels of mercy; one set is slated for destruction, and the other for glory.
@@kgar5String dude, Don’t act like you’re a theologian, you’re not. Go watch Dr. Leighton Flowers for all the holes in your Calvinist doctrine. Case closed!
@kgar5String that's exactly what it says. He chose them to be adopted into God's family. Where does it say he chose us to be saved. English Standard Version even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love.
@@reynaldoperez7285 Can you be in God's family without being saved? God the Father “chose us in [Christ] before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight” (Ephesians 1:4). The Father also “in love . . . predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will” (Ephesians 1:4-5). Believers are chosen or caused to be chosen (as per the middle voice of the aorist verb) before the foundation of the world. In other words, this determination of God took place before the world had even been created. Notice how far Paul is going to assert that this new, blessed position of the believer is not of one’s own doing. It began with God’s choice, and it shows that God is the basis of the believer’s blessing, not one’s own merits.
@kgar5String HE also chose judas, didn't he. NO, JUDAS WAS NOT PREDESTINED TO BETRAY GOD, BUT GOD KNEW WHAT HE WOULD DO, SO IT WAS WRITTEN. Just because God chose us ,that would believe the gospel doesn't mean we are specially picked for salvation. God does not show favoritism to man, Haven't you read. Ever since the beginning, all men have been saved by grace through faith . Even Cain had the same opportunity, God specifically told him, IF YOU DO WELL, WONT YOU BE ACCEPTED! CAIN KNEW GOD! CAIN SPOKE WITH GOD! Cain is proof that a man can know God , and reject him, BUT NOT A MAN FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT. CAIN DECIDED TO DO HIS WILL NOT KNOWING THAT THAT WAS NOT FREEDOM. HE FREELY WENT INTO CAPTIVITY, BLINDLY. English Standard Version Jude 1:11 Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and ( ABANDONED THEMSELVES ) for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion. They did it to themselves for greed. Cain walked in his own way, GODLESS ,AND GREEDY.
you know what really did ruin my walk to a certain extent? i went to bible college and they spent an entire semester teaching me alllll about islam. in depth. i had been saved one year. it messed me up bad.
My friend that died was a calvinist we agreed with alot of things only thing i find that we opposed is how we got to CHRIST we both believe eventually all believers will come to CHRIST
I'm a Calvinist. I had nothing to do with my Salvation, but simply to witness it. I could not come to Christ, I could not believe in Christ, nor could I say a sinner's prayer to receive forgiveness of my sins for Salvation. Nothing happened, when attempting these unsuccessful measures for God's Grace. I know, because the thought of my attempts to do so either vanished later in the day, or I was still left with a sense of emptiness and brokenness. You're Saved by the Holy Spirit from Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior. You bring nothing to the table, because you and me aren't holy enough to understand on any level, the actual EXPERIENCE of Salvation/Regeneration. John 3:16, or the Jesus Saves billboard tells us if we believe, that Jesus will save us. Not true. Many are in hell today, for taking this broad road to destruction. What it MEANS to be Saved, is the Power of the Holy Spirit raising your dead spirit to Life. You simply cannot pray for something, when you are unaware of it's results. This would imply that you had some kind of control towards your salvation. Simply not true! It takes something Holy on God's part. (hence, the Holy Spirit) You can't cause a spark plug to fire without spark plug wires. (Holy Spirit) And you certainly can't cause it to fire, without Someone Sending a Signal through those spark plug wires. Yes, you can see and even understand the importance of having a Signal. (Jesus) But if one hasn't experienced the power of Christ's Holy Spirit, you can have the newest and best set of spark plugs on earth, AND IT WILL DO NOTHING! I use to own the best set of spark plugs on earth. They were called "self righteousness." When I received the gift of the Holy Spirit, all bets were off, in my ability to do anything for my salvation. After all, I've never experienced the Goodness of God before. I had to experience His Holiness for myself first, before I realized how Good God really is. Jesus says, "Only God is Good." Not only do I understand it now, but it's because of my experience with Christ's Holy Spirit, that I am able to make this claim. God loves a humble heart! His Holy Spirit causes you to repent, and turn from your sins. I certainly didn't develop this genuine repentance on my own. The sinner's prayer did absolutely nothing for me, as stated before. I'm sooooo thankful for all, who spread the Good News of the Gospel to me. It lay dormant not dead, in my (however) dead soul. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it was my brokenness, in which God redirected my dead spirit, towards my Savior Jesus Christ. And from there, Christ's Holy Spirit raised me from the dead. It was literally "effectual."
Mike winger had a great video on calvinism. He referenced the conversation as “family discussion”. Although he doesn’t agree fully with calvinism, he agrees they are brothers and sisters in christ!
1 Corinthians 1:10-17 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.
Charles Simeon’s (Calvinist) conversation with John Wesley (Arminian) It is instructive in this connection to ponder Charles Simeon’s account of his conversation with John Wesley on December 10, 1784 (the date is given in Wesley’s journal): Charles Simeon: “Sir, I understand that you are called an Arminian; and I have been sometimes called a Calvinist; and therefore I suppose we are to draw daggers. But before I consent to begin the combat, with your permission I will ask you a few questions.… Pray, Sir, do you feel yourself a depraved creature, so depraved that you would never have thought of turning to God, if God had not first put it into your heart?” John Wesley: “Yes,” says the veteran, “I do indeed.” Charles Simeon: “And do you utterly despair of recommending yourself to God by anything you can do; and look for salvation solely through the blood and righteousness of Christ?” John Wesley: “Yes, solely through Christ.” Charles Simeon: “But, Sir, supposing you were at first saved by Christ, are you not somehow or other to save yourself afterwards by your own works?” John Wesley: “No, I must be saved by Christ from first to last.” Charles Simeon: “Allowing, then, that you were first turned by the grace of God, are you not in some way or other to keep yourself by your own power?” John Wesley: “No.” Charles Simeon: “What, then, are you to be upheld every hour and every moment by God, as much as an infant in its mother’s arms?” John Wesley: “Yes, altogether.” Charles Simeon: “And is all your hope in the grace and mercy of God to preserve you unto his heavenly kingdom?” John Wesley: “Yes, I have no hope but in him.” Charles Simeon: “Then, Sir, with your leave I will put up my dagger again; for this is all my Calvinism; this is my election, my justification by faith, my final perseverance: it is in substance all that I hold, and as I hold it; and therefore, if you please, instead of searching out terms and phrases to be a ground of contention between us, we will cordially unite in those things wherein we agree.
I have friends and family who were Christians that held to Calvinism, but are no longer Christians because OF the logical implications of the system. I’m there are other reasons, but they have expressed their disdain of the implications being a catalyst. My brother Corey is out of his league here. Still love him though. 😊
Are saying Corey made up what he was saying, that is not what the scripture he quoted was saying? Do you think God misses out on people going to heaven because of false teachers? He said otherwise. Jesus said his sheep don't follow strangers. You were never a christian if you can walk away, Jesus he would be you always, is he just standing there while you walk away when he said he would leave the 99 and go get the sheep that goes astray, did he lie?
@@Pastor_Grant 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, This proves we were predestined as I stated.
@@kgar5String that's what I'm saying, non Calvinists usually get mad when you bring up election and predestination or they accuse you of being a "Calvinist" when you are just reading Bible verses.
No, the scripture provides the nature of God, he is perfect in all of his ways which includes Justice, vengeance, love, hate and all the inspired scripture gives us. Proverbs 6:16-19 lists seven things the Lord hates: pride, lying, murder, evil plots, those who love evil, false witnesses, and troublemakers. Notice that this passage does not include just things that God hates; it includes people as well. We cannot begin to understand God’s justice unless we first understand sin. sin is a crime against God, and justice demands a penalty of death and separation from Him for it (Romans 1:18-32; 2:5; 3:23). But God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to earth to pay that penalty for us (Romans 5:8-11; 6:23) and made salvation available to all who believe in His name (John 1:12; 3:15-17; 20:31). His mercy and grace are not in spite of His justice, but because of it. He loved us so much that, despite the fact that our sin demands our death, He sent His Son to be our substitute upon the cross, thus demonstrating that His justice was not violated, but instead satisfied (1 Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9).
You don’t think limited atonement is wick? Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Is limited atonement true? !! My man problem with Calvinism is the limited atonement. When you think about the price that was paid?? Is Roman Catholicism dangerous and wick?
I guess it raises a question. Did Jonah "try" to run away from his fate of his own will? Only for God to use His power to control circumstances to bring him to repentance? Or did God determine him to disobey, then determine him to flee, then determine him to repent. Calvinism brought to it's logical end will have people saying God not only decreed his rebellion but that He has also decreed ALL evil to come to pass...
@@bolt.22 if you don't like the power God has to manipulate and engineer our circumstances to bring about whatever outcome he desires than you got a problem I cannot help you with. 🤣🤣🤣 Did Jesus run from the cross. Thank God we're not Jesus right? We would've took our little pansey butts and ran and hid in a hole somewhere. Theres a problem with that though. Ask some people on this earth whats life like when you keep running from your problems and letting them pile up.
@@Ramone5167 I absolutely agree that God is active in guiding our lives. That's. Not. Calvinism. Think about this, what do you call a God who decrees all evil? Would that be an evil God? Yes or no will do.
@@bolt.22 God cannot lie. Lets start here. As a gaurdian who is responsible for the upbringing of one who is brought into this world. I have to reward my creation (child) for doing good and bad. I cannot let 1 child get away with murder because the other children will not respect my authority. So my answer would be. God decrees evil as a reward, punishment, just like parents. We have to have order.
@@bolt.22 Does one set a hedge of protection around a garden to prevent rodents from getting in. Does a household have a man (dad) as a threat towards any opposition? Causing robbers to question whether or not, they should attempt to overtake that house? There are people who have crept in and destroyed the order of the house. They first deleted and bound the dads in chains and then the robbers raised the children. Now the children dont even know who they are, they become dads, their broken, then the brokenness down to their children.
Do you believe God knows past, present and future? Total human depravity? People (we) are OBLIVIOUS to the sins we commit since our youth! What were you doing before you got saved? “Mankind is INCREASINGLY WICKED since youth”
I never met an anti-calvinist that wasn’t pro humanist. I have met many non-calvinists who agree with much of his exposition whether they know it or not though.
Truly all the Saints of God must say the same thing. We are of God who have his Spirit. We are his body a spiritual house. Too much study of others views distract us from the Truth. The Truth is in Christ.John 18:37 (KJV) Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. That truth is revealed in the Holy Scripture written from Moses to Revelation and now his Truth/Law is in our mind which is the heart. Keep your heart/mind with all diligence.
I personally love the approach of Calvinists like Charles Spurgeon and RC Sproul they have been a great help to my walk...and I love their perspective and ppl they disagree with ..they recognize them as brothers in error or just mistaken or misguided
Amen Brother! As It Is Written! KJV - Hebrews 11 : 6 “But Without FAITH It Is IMPOSSIBLE To PLEASE HIM: For He That Cometh To GOD Must Believe That HE Is, and That HE Is a Rewarder of Them That DILIGENTLY Seek HIM.” HalleluJah!
How do you reconcile the scripture that says “There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is non the seekers after God? Did Paul miss it? All the scripture you quoted are true however In the parable of the sower they believed Jesus but did not continue because of the cares of this, Jesus the ground (heart), only one of the grounds (heart) was good. Man does not change his heart it is done by God. Jesus when talking to Nicodemus about being born again (new heart) said you had to be born of the water and the spirt, he than said you had to born from above (God), Jesus was referring to Ezekiel 36:25-27 where God said he would was you with water, take out your heart of stone and put in heart of flesh, put his spirit in you and cause you to walk in his ways. God was the one talking and he did not ask Israel to do anything with their heart, God said he would do it. This is how we are born from above (become good ground), he said he would cause us to walk in his ways.
“Tell me how being a hyper determinist harms someone’s walk” Alright, that’s an easy one. Calvinists will tell r*pe/SA victims that their experience was personally orchestrated by God to take place from the beginning. This is the famous “you were r*ped for Gods glory, and since every thing in God’s will is good, you being r*ped was also good in God’s eyes as well”. This creates distrust in God since he would personally go out of his way to have that happen to you. Is that a fair example?
No, because as terrible as it sounds, all things- good or bad- have occurred under the Providence of God. And it is all for His glory. That’s pretty clear from passages like Isaiah 45:7. The way someone explains that can be unsympathetic and callous but it doesn’t change the facts. Sometimes we throw around that phrase- that God causes all things to occur- and it comes across as if we’re saying that God designs evil or that He plans evil. That isn’t what we mean: what we mean is that God uses evil (both naturally and supernaturally) to work out His good plans. It’s rooted in the fact that God is good, and He is in total control of everything, therefore if evil happens to me, He somehow allowed it and since He is good, He will work it out so that it will be good in the end even if I don’t agree with Him or understand His ways.
The real problem with Calvinism isn't that it's a bad doctrine. Both Free will and Determinism are in the Bible. That's the problem. Calvinism does breed a certain arrogance, but that's no more a problem than the false humility on the Armenian side. The idea of free will vs. Determinism is not something you can solve in the Bible because both ideas are all over the typical 66 book bible. I tended to lean more toward Calvinism as a Christian because it was so much more drastic and it definitely scared the hell out of me. The contradiction in the bible between free will and determinism was the final nail in my religious coffin. I realized this is not one of the "disputable" ideas Paul was talking about in the New Testament. The bible is a book written by men not God. That's why it's such an obviously contradictory book. God isn't dead, he was just never alive to begin with.
Most of the people that insult Calvinism never ever read studied Calvinism. I am against the word of faith and Charismatic because I come from this movement.
@@kgar5String I apologize for making light of your comment “Yet you hide your name.” It makes no sense. A great many people prefer privacy and use anonymous usernames. What does this have to do with the topic of the video? Grace & peace! ❤🙏✝
It does have a bearing, because when you corrupt the truth you are evil. Calvinism is wrong and corrupts the truth. God knows the beginning from the end, God doesn't makes us into robots.
Consult all of the scripture before being dogmatic with your statements, It seems as though you are using talking points you hear other people say. God does not makes us into robots? The good news for us is that he does. The book of Hebrews says the old covenant was given to us as a school master (teacher), the lesson to be learned was that man would never continually chose/do what God commanded. Man would chose God and believe for a little while and go back to pleasing himself. God understood the problem to an heart Issue. God said man's heart is desperate wicked. Hebrews (God) if the old covenant was good we would not need a new covenant. God's remedy for man would be accomplished in the new covenant. Jesus talking to Nicodemus said "No one would see the kingdom unless they are born again and then he said it again a different way, " he said you must be born of water and the spirit, Jesus said you must be born from above. Jesus was referring to Ezekiel 36:25-27 and was astonished the Nicodemus did not know this because it is written the scripture. “I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.” Notice who is doing the talking (God), Notice what he asked Israel to do, nothing. God said he would put his spirit in you and move (some versions say cause) you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Coming from the mouth of God, he is into automation and robotics, his grace is amazing.
@@kgar5String are you saying once God puts his spirit in you then you can’t sin? Answer is you can at any time reject God. You are not a slave or robot. You are a free creature that chooses to accept the Holy Spirit and can choose to reject. Once you die and go to heaven you won’t have the flesh desire of sin. I have the desire to sin all the time but I choose not to sin because I choose with my mind to follow God and once I choose to follow Jesus the Holy Spirit comes in me and my heart changes and I hate sin. At anytime I can choose to love sin and the Spirit will try to convict me to reject sin. It is a battle until we die. Once we die and loose the flesh it is a new ball game. I think you are not understanding God. My version of God is better than your version. It is better that I come to God and stay with God freely than to be a slave or robot.
@@Budget_Conscious it is very easy to twist the scripture. The key is to understand God and know his nature. It is absurd to say God force a free creature into heaven or into hell. God’s nature won’t allow him to do so. We can’t make a statement and contradict God’s nature. God is fair and he would never cheat anyone.
One thing I don't like in the Baptist/Calvinist churches is the lack of expression. I had a pastor preach against dancing 😅 huh? He would have been Mika when King David danced for God.
Where in the scripture is that commanded, remember Peter, Paul, James and John had the scriptures with David dancing and they did not deem it important enough to make a big deal out of it. We should get we believe from the scripture.
After reading dozens of comments by anti Calvinist, former Calvinist etc... I see the same old pattern of strawman arguments by the dozen, an ignorance of what it actually teaches, and worse, a real inability to comprehend bible passages because of the inability to understand context. And some on here claim to believe only two points of TULIP or 3 points or whatever. What you miss is that each letter of TULIP logically and biblically flow in and out of each other in a logical movement. To deny any one is to create confusion and contradiction.
@kgar5String Of course you joke, because you don't understand TULIP or scripture. Ignorance of scripture doesn't please God. Now If you want to have an adult conversation based in biblical reality let me know.
@@mariosangermano The Issue is neither Corey or myself mentioned anything about Calvin, Calvinism or TULIP but you guys saying Calvinism, Calvinist like this is where we get our thinking. Calvin just happened to use some inspired scripture to make his points. The scripture is the scripture. I joked because every other sentence has Calvin, Calvinist or Tulip which is easy to attack because it is not inspired scripture. I do not here a defense of the scripture you believe without added conditions that are not in the text.
Do you believe cessationism is a dangerous doctrine? The Bible says God is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore. Cessationist believe that "some" of the gifts of the Spirit has ceased, and that's not biblical.
As long as it is done like the bible all the miracles are fine, they are not doing it like the bible now days. The miracles in the bible were on public display not in the temples. Why do the so called miracles happen where there is no verification especially there are cameras everywhere and everyone has cellphones. Miracles are not on command only when the holy spirit moves the apostles did not have healing on command or Paul would not have told Timothy to drink wine for his stomach, he would have just healed him.
To anyone who gets this comment especially Calvinist , or who considers themselves a Calvinist, a one point, two, three point or five point; What is the Point of Calvinism? There are millions of philosophies in the world, millions of religions, But there is Only one begotten Son of God and Saviour of the world Jesus Christ. What is the purpose of Calvinism, is it just a discussion for Christians to have? It is obviously a popular subject among Christians what about the non Christian what do they do? Is Calvinism the Gospel of Jesus Christ? I've often heard some video content makers claim it's not a heaven or hell issue? For who the Christian or the non Christian? Once again what is the purpose of teaching John Calvin"s theology? Simply stated (I) don't get it, but it must needs be disgust I get that. Thanks Smart Christian and smart Christians for lifting your voices.
Calvinism is a heresy and must be confronted. If NOT, the weed grows into people’s hearts and they become erroneous and wicked. The spirit of error is leading towards loosing your eternal “security” (not salvation yet). Read 2 Peter 3:17 ... Many Calvinists will be left behind ..,
There certainly is a hatred with the idea we are at the mercy of God and God might not choose someone for salvation. We see in Acts 8, God saved some and not Simon all in the same location.
That is the problem man likes control and does not want God to be in control because he might not pick them, If you hear his voice he is calling you. When is it a time that you are not at the mercy of God, he is the one causing your diaphragm to to up and down so that you can breathe. You can do nothing without him, you can't even think straight without him. You should just say "lord I belief but help my unbelief", you should just chose me, what choice do you have.
The herald angels said that the birth of Jesus was good news for ALL MEN. Calvinists say God chooses who will be saved and who will not, and those that are not chosen will never be saved. If this is the case, Calvinists must believe that the angels were not speaking truthfully when ghey proclaimed the news was good for all men.
Actually Calvin did not say it, he did not right any of the inspired scripture however Jesus is the on who said God determines who comes to him, God is the one who said he could make vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor. The all with all men, is sometimes all is not all, we can do all things through Christ, we can’t be God, and that is part of all things, you can’t be me and that is also part of all things. The scriptures says all of Israel will be saved and we no Judas will not be saved. Jesus said it was hidden from the wise and the prudent so we know they will be missing out. The disciples asked Jesus why do you speak in parables, Jesus replied it is not for them to know, if I speak plainly they would repent, we now know there is some people Jesus did not want to repent.
It's worth noting that Ignatius of Antioch would have considered Calvinists as lost people. I'm not saying I agree but just pointing out that the early church would have disfellowshipped them. Quote: Let no man deceive himself. Unless he believes that Christ Jesus has lived in the flesh, and shall confess His cross and passion, and the blood which He shed for the salvation of the world, he shall not obtain eternal life, whether he be a king, or a priest, or a ruler, or a private person, a master or a servant, a man or a woman. "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." Let no man's place, or dignity, or riches, puff him up; [Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter VI-Unbelievers in the Blood of Christ Shall Be Condemned].
Come on Corey, I think Pagani has a point. Your delicate approach to calvinism should be applied to the charismatics, word of faith, women preachers, deliverance ministries etc. Where are the calvinists snippet videos of their sermons speaking in error? Where is the jovial banter about their preachers like you do on non calvinist believers? Be equal in your critique/treatment or make it clear that you have bias.
We are wicked. That's why we need Jesus to save us.
Amen
You need Christ's Holy Spirit to save you. Until then, my Savior will simply be a cross that you can buy from a five and ten cent store. (well, there use to be those kind of stores) Yes, Jesus Saves! But without Christ's Holy Spirit, you'll never experience the Redemptive Power of the Holy Spirit. Humbleness works well with God. From this position, you bring nothing to the table. Absolutely nothing. Which means you bring nothing, towards your ability to receive God's Grace for Salvation. He doesn't need your help. We're the ones who are stuck in this mess to begin with.
I listen to Martyn Lloyd Jones , read Arthur Pink , they sound pretty solid to me and they always point to Christ The Lord and the scriptures.
This is a distinguishes mark of Calvin's in my opinion.
Calvinism only sees one side. They're right, for example, that a man's will is bound by sin, so it can not choose Christ apart from the work of the Holy Spirit. But the Spirit was sent "to convict the world", so that some choose to yield to the Spirit, while others continually resist Him by their own free choosing. God's sovereignty is God's business, and human responsibility is ours. One does not cancel out the other.
Your will is not as free as you think it is or you could just chose to never sin again. If you are saved by you decision making ability you are not saved by Grace which is the only way to be saved. If you are saved by the faith you provided you are again not saved by Grace because Ephesians 2 says we are saved by Grace through Faith; and that (Faith) not of yourselves (which is why it is grace), not of works, lest any man should boast. If you provided the faith that is what you can say, I provided the faith (Boasting).
@@kgar5String Yes, I agree. But you completely misunderstood what I said.
The Bible is clear though that all the father gives Jesus will come to Him. There is a reason some people resist the offered grace and others don’t.
@williamwagoner7857 Yes, but you left out the rest of the quote, "him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."
We operate in time, and God operates in eternity. God's sovereignty and human responsibility are not in conflict with each other.
@@TheFightingSheep That part has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I was talking about election not eternal security.
The Lord took me away from the charismatic church and into a reformed church. I’ve never felt closer to Jesus than I do now. I love my Arminian brothers and sisters from my old church but many seem to hate me and refuse to speak to me now.
Humbleness is the enemy of pride. Jesus said that they'll hate us. But they hated Him, long before they hates us. Pray for them. The Holy Spirit leads you to all truth. "They left us, because they were never in us," was our Savior's words. Why would anyone in Christ's church, has so much animosity over people, who claim to be Christians as well? Perhaps people who claim that they have the instructions to come to Jesus perhaps. No one can ever come to Jesus. The Holy Spirit comes to you.
I lean Calvinist but recognize much of the how of salvation is above my pay-grade. We trust in God with the how. Calvinists are called all kinds of names yet the Arminians attack with all kinds of arrogance. We all just need the gospel and need to put our faith in Christ. The rest we know the Father has in control. Thanks for this video. Right on speaking on this!
Amen 🙏🏾
FACTS!!!!! The Gospel is everything....Jesus Christ and Him crucified. "Remember Jesus Christ, descendant of David, was raised from the dead" (2 Timothy 2:8). He died on Friday and raised on Sunday. This is the entirety of why we believe.
1 Corinthians 1:12-13
[12] What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” [13] Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
Acts 2:38-39
[38] And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [39] For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”
There will be a time when we will all reach unity in the faith! To get there, our minds need to be renewed by the work of the Holy Spirit in us. This includes us sharpening one another as iron sharpens iron. Thanks, Corey, for assisting in this process. I have never been to reformed church, but I believe God has control of every detail of life. I am what I am by the grace of God - that includes the state of my salvation. May His Name be praised.
I agree with a lot of Calvinism-but I haven’t gotten a badge or tee-shirt stating that I’m a Calvinist. Doesn’t mean I agree with all of it. But I’ve learned so much, and have been tremendously blessed by listening to teachers who claim to be Calvinists, or agree with Calvinism; but they put their faith in Christ-not Calvinism.
I don’t understand why people literally HATE Calvinism and those who’re professing Calvinists. Ive seen and heard so many Christians spewing horrible and damning words towards certain people who are respected and well known Calvinists.
I agree with total depravity, sovereign election, and preservation of the saints. Christ and our Father in Heaven is responsible for my salvation. He caused me to be born again; He’s responsible for me continuing on with my walk with Christ, and me being regenerated. Not only that, I believe that especially during our time, that total depravity is extremely important. I say this because of how extremely prideful our culture is-not to mention, how narcissistic our culture has gotten; the whole idea behind total depravity, (in my humble opinion-so please, I ask anyone who disagrees not to unleash their inner Kraken upon me, just for mentioning this) is a must, and absolutely needed and required to humble us.
To quote RC Sproul:
“So the idea of total in total depravity doesn’t mean that all human beings are as wicked as they can possibly be. It means that the fall was so serious that it affects the whole person. The fallenness that captures and grips our human nature affects our bodies; that’s why we become ill and die. It affects our minds and our thinking; we still have the capacity to think, but the Bible says the mind has become darkened and weakened. The will of man is no longer in its pristine state of moral power. The will, according to the New Testament, is now in bondage. We are enslaved to the evil impulses and desires of our hearts. The body, the mind, the will, the spirit-indeed, the whole person-have been infected by the power of sin.”
Also, I realized that I needed to stop giving myself credit for choosing Christ. He’s responsible for my faith, and me coming to Him. He gets total credit for absolutely everything.
If my Christian brothers and sisters have hateful words towards me for this-claiming that this makes me a heretic, evil, or devilish for it, then they have a right to their own opinion. But at least I believe that my faith is in Christ. I try to love Him more than anything else in this world, and He works on my heart everyday, so that I can love others as He does. In the end, all glory goes to Him! Hallelujah! ✝️🙏
I think the actual hating of the way John Calvin thought about Scripture, takes a ton of power away from us. It also affects our personal free will, and people really hate that. Me personally, I don't trust me, so I find comfort in the providence of God. Am I a God robot like they say? Well, I'd rather be a God robot (possession) of Christ than put my faith in me. People long ago used to say "Let go and let God." In the me me me generation you don't hear that anymore. When I listened to R.C. Sproll, I found out he don't really understand the predestination of God either. He just reads it the Bible and believes it. People think Calvinists understand it, they don't.
Well said sister.
@@Whatyoutakinbout praise the Lord. 🤗
If you believe in sovereign election then how can you not believe in irresistible grace?
Most calvinist i know could care less about tulip. They simply love the Lord and serve him.
Could also care less about the label “Calvinist.” That’s just the scape goat for those who cannot reconcile scriptures 🤷🏽♂️
@@josiahpulemau6214I'd say a non-Calvinist has the worse time reconciling their philosophy with scripture.
Then they aren't a Calvinist
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Would you say that about Corey? 👀🤣🤣🤣
It is a dangerous teaching.
Really appreciate you brother. I would quibble with your reading of 1 John 2:2 as a Calvinist myself, naturally, but I really dig the overall tone and approach of the video. Very solid. God's blessings on your week, sir.
I agree, John was an apostle to the Jews, and was writing to the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem in this passage. From their perspective, they looked at “whole world” as not just the Jews only, but the whole world as in beyond just the Jewish people.
Even amongst the Gentiles, they still looked at people by groups of people in their culture in their day. Our culture today is the opposite, we see people not so much by groups, but as individuals instead.
Many ministers who identify as Calvinist seem to come off theologically proud.
Have you listened to those who are against predestination, and eternal security? They say it is another gospel, satanic, wicked etc.. you have to be awfully proud of your self to say those things.
@@kgar5String pride can go in many directions.
Iam a Calvinist and all the armanians are my beloved Brothers. Thank you Brother.
Your free will is limited, God’s sovereignty has no limits.
Think of this world as a movie that has an "in the beginning" and a "the end." God is the producer and director of this movie. He has plugged it in, and now it is playing. He already knows the whole epic story. God is not confined to time the way we are. He sees it all at once. The word "freewill" is nowhere in the Bible. But the terms "will of God" or "His will" are found 35 times. God chose us before we chose Him. We are ordained to salvation, even before we believe.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Romans 8:29-30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou has given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Ephesians 1:4 According as he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Calvinist don't believe we have the free will to believe in the gospel. That's dangerous
@@christianforreal how horrible, instead of believing that a person dead in their sins can make a “decision” to choose God, they believe the Holy Spirit makes the decision. You can trust your free will, I will trust God
@@neverpc4404 God saves us but we have a choice to be saved. He does not force Himself on us. That's not love. He give us a choice.. if we didn't have a choice to choose or reject His sacrifice there would be no admonition in the Bible to believe On the Lord for salvation. But there is in multiple scriptures..quite notably John 3:16
This is very basic stuff. You can believe in a God who forces Himself on people. I believe in the biblical God who gives us choice.
@@christianforreal John 6:44 no one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws them. Along with John 6:37 Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me… v. 39 I shall lose none of those He has given Me
The Father draws us and Gives us to the Son. That is not because you a dead in your sins, headed to hell, incapable of doing anything good unrepentant human made the choice of your own free will to follow Jesus. How arrogant you are
I despise being called a Calvinist. Calvin just wrote down what is in the Bible in a way that is easy for us to understand in our language. It's no different than Pythagoras writing down his theorem. Are we Pythagoras because we know and agree with his work? NO because we know Pythagoras didn't create the math he just explained what is true.
I'm a Christian. There is only one God, who is perfect. He had a son Jesus Christ who died for our sins. We are all sinners by nature. We all are not worthy of the Glory of God. That is why Jesus died. Why would Jesus have to die if we can save ourselves?
Ita common sense.
I love your godly approach on many of your last few vids. God bless you!
What in the scripture leads you to think Love is based on your will? If you will is free, why haven’t you chose to never sin again?
@@Budget_Consciouswhy can't you choose to never sin again this side of heaven? It's because your beloved "free will" betrays you...
@@Budget_Conscious Asking to provide scripture makes no sense? Wow. I have noticed you never answer the question why you don't use your will to never sin again, I will help you out, you don't have control over your own desires (will).
My sheep know my voice..To me that confirms predestination..also how can you have prophecy if it is not predestined
Thanks Cory for this video I am reformed. I come from a Pentecostal background my grandfather was a Pentecostal pastor and my mother and father lead worship at a word of Faith Church currently. When people say Calvinism is evil it blows my mind because I did not grow up in it but I saw it in the scriptures before I even knew what Calvinism was. What you said about putting your faith in Christ and his work alone is exactly what Calvinists believe, if anything I believe it is only Calvinists that can actually say by grace alone and we push the limit on we have nothing to boast about more than Armenian theology. We did not improve our Grace we didn't push the needle. The only thing we did is lay there dead and God made us alive through the work of His son Jesus Christ in the application of the Holy Spirit. God bless you Corey!
If you look at some if the early Church fathers (1 & 2 generations out), they were saying the same things Calvin was saying. He wasn't a new idea. He was going back to some of the original thoughts.
God said some of the same things Calvin said.
False!!! not one early church father EVER thought of this reading/ teaching.
Augustine nearly 400 years later introduced the gnostic gospel.
@truthseeker5698 Clement, Ignatius, Irenaeus, and Tertullian, all talked about some of the things Calvin talked about.
@@plotevil5884 not so! Flat out lie you’re purporting.
Regarding the TULIP and basics of gnosticism/ Manichaeism.
What's up with all the Labels, where are all the true Child of God, the sons that God speaks about in HEBREWS CHAPTER 12. How many Labels does there have to be, when there's Only One God in Heaven, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and they are One. Praise Jesus Lord God and Savior AMEN.
The labels sadly are necessary because there are many different doctrines out there, especially after the American Great Awakening many groups splintered and were invented including many cults. The labels are usually just means of distinction.
Labels because many believe in the absolute free will of man and there are those that believe in the absolute sovereignty of God...
@@jdkayak7868 Most of the the time the Labels are given by the haters, Christians was a derogatory name for the early church.
I don’t know how scripture can be any clearer that :- that there is *one* way of salvation which is by * grace* through *faith* in *Christ Jesus*
There was not one way we are being now, and the Old Testament saints another.
Correct, grace through faith alone. John 3:16. No works required. Eph. 2:8-9, Titus 3:5. Once saved always saved. John 10:28-29. Hallelujah.
@@GiftofGod289Now imagine convincing Catholics about this biblical truth. Ad don't even dare point out their unbiblical teachings and doctrines
He who is Born of Flesh is Flesh, but He who is Born of Spirit is Spirit... Amen!!!
Be Born Again! SOBER! Vigilant! And a Pure Heart! Washed in the Blood of the Lamb! Repentant! Discipline! Obedient! ETERNAL! Follow HOLINESS... Amen!!!
I have to ask how do we define holiness?
@@watchoutnow5419 First, let’s look at God’s holiness. What does it mean that God is holy? Passages like 1 Samuel 2:2 and Isaiah 6:3 are just two of many examples of passages about God’s holiness. Another way to say it is absolute perfection. God is unlike any other (see Hosea 11:9), and His holiness is the essence of that “otherness.” His very being is completely absent of even a trace of sin (James 1:13; Hebrews 6:18). He is high above any other, and no one can compare to Him (Psalm 40:5). God’s holiness pervades His entire being and shapes all His attributes. His love is a holy love, His mercy is holy mercy, and even His anger and wrath are holy anger and holy wrath. These concepts are difficult for humans to grasp, just as God is difficult for us to understand in His entirety.
what does it mean for us to be holy? When God told Israel to be holy in Leviticus 11 and 19, He was instructing them to be distinct from the other nations by giving them specific regulations to govern their lives. Israel is God’s chosen nation and God has set them apart from all other people groups. They are His special people, and consequently they were given standards that God wanted them to live by so the world would know they belonged to Him. When Peter repeats the Lord’s words in 1 Peter 1:16, he is talking specifically to believers. As believers, we need to be "set apart" from the world unto the Lord. We need to be living by God’s standards, not the world’s. God isn’t calling us to be perfect, but to be distinct from the world. First Peter 2:9 describes believers as "a holy nation." It is a fact! We are separated from the world; we need to live out that reality in our day-to-day lives, which Peter tells us how to do in 1 Peter 1:13-16.
Holiness only results from a right relationship with God by believing in Jesus Christ as Savior (accepting His gift of eternal life). If we have not placed our faith in God’s Son alone to save us from our sins, then our pursuit of holiness is in vain. So, we must first make sure we are born-again believers (see John 3). If we truly are believers, then we recognize that our position in Christ automatically sets us apart from the world (1 Peter 2:9). After all, we have a relationship with the living God! Then we must daily live a set-apart life, not trying to "blend in" with the world, but instead living according to God’s Word as we study the Bible and grow in it.
@@watchoutnow5419 it takes faith, in Christ not in man, and "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Romans 1:14-16..
FOLLOW JESUS!!!! Not one of us are righteous or without sin..... I listen to alot of different preachers.Stopped listening to alot of preacher's. Jesus Christ made it real clear , LOVE GOD with all your heart and LOVE Your Neighbor as yourself. Live by the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Realize its only because Jesus Christ died for us on the cross. All of our works are as filthy rags. This doesn't mean you shouldn't try to have any works. By the way I like your teachings Corey . I also like Voddie and John. Don't care who is what if they love Jesus Christ and have a decent amount of good doctrine. None of us are perfect. Follow Jesus........
This was a reasonable presentation done in the Spirit of Christ, unlike much of the banter going on these days. Frankly, I'm sick of the endless accusations of heresy from everybody and their grandmother. I don't agree with some of the points expressed here, but we're not saved by our understanding of things. We're saved by faith through the redemption of Christ, and the witness of the Spirit and the fruit of our lives is evidence of it. To me, the real questions are: do we believe, is the witness in us, and where's the fruit (I John 3:19-24)?. We can argue about the rest of it (and we surely will) until Jesus comes back whenever that may be.
Thank you Corey. Some of the most sound bible teachers I've learned a great deal from, including my all-time favorites Charles Spurgeon and Dr. Martyn Lloyd Jones, identified as Calvinists. I currently worship at a reformed church and have belonged to a reformed women's online group for years. I have yet to meet EVEN ONE Calvinist who believes one can live ungodly and habitually practice sin and still be saved. Quite the opposite! Calvinists simply exalt God's sovereignty over human determinism and recognize that it is God who causes us to come to faith, walk in holiness, and also keeps us in the faith, as is mentioned in 2 Corinthians 3:18 and 1 John 3:9. I also clearly saw this truth in scripture even before I knew what "Calvinism" was.
I am deeply grieved by all the incessant over the top bad-mouthing of Calvinism and slander against Calvinists. With all the true heretical teachers, false Gospels, dangerous doctrine, and false converts invading the visible Church, you'd think some of you could actually recognize when others are on your same team. People are only serving the enemy's agenda by incessantly attacking true brothers and sisters in faith who clearly love the Lord, know and share the gospel, seek to walk consistently in holiness, and hold a high regard for scripture because of disagreement on SECONDARY issues sol that doesn't affect one's understanding of the gospel nor ability to accurately share it. As Corey stated, there are many belief systems that may place someone on the wide path that leads to destruction but Calvinism ain't one of them.
Let's always be mindful of this overarching godly principle:
1 Corinthians 8:2-3
If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. 3 But if anyone loves God, he is known by God.
Contrary to popular belief, most Calvinists take evangelism to EVERYONE quite seriously and preach the actual Gospel, not Tulip. A perfect example is Justin Peters who offers the Gospel in almost every video message, even when correcting and rebuking false teachers. I can't recall him spending any time going over Tulip because it is a secondary belief system not a primary focus of his Christian faith. We all need to seek greater maturity in this area and learn to discern outside of our secondary areas of disagreement and personal theological bias. One may be right that Calvinists are off in certain points on their secondary understanding of Soteriology . . . but scripture says so are most of us who think we've got it all down perfect. The beautiful truth is that God assures us that He knows His own.
Amen! Well said.
when you have been around the apologia cult you'll realize narcissism is a big problem among calvinist.
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James White perfect example!
Don't believe calvinist are narcissist. Their not all about themselves. Lot of them are very giving people who care about others. Least the ones in my family
So are you saying Duplantis, Copeland, Bickle and Kent Christmas aren't Narcisist? Kent Christmas says his floak are the Remnant. But he gives our fake Prophecies and speaks like he is a Authority because God talks to him and gives him all that Gobbledygook. Not all Chrismatics are nutty and love God. But all the False Teachers False Apostles are False Prophets are Chrismatics. And Unbiblical Gibberish speakers. I am not saying the Calvinist have it all correct but they don't do those things. They are more correct than Chrismatics. They are much more Reverant than most Chrismatics. I am not a Calvinist. But I get more Sound Doctrine from Calvinist. None of them are perfect. But I am a Berean and search and pray for truth in the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit will open your eyes through his word.
Do people online even know what the word narcissist means anymore. Anyone who holds strongly to a view and argues strongly against dissenting views is called a narcissist. Y’all would have even called Jesus a narcissist.
Most Calvinist haters do not understand confessional Calvinism.
As it pertains to a believer that calls themselves a Calvinist, what profit them to teach such teachings? I can't understand and how would I as a believer continue in my sins, No I'm not saying that we're made perfect or sinless in this body, Jesus has given us power over sin. The Word of God tells us to walk in the Spirit, to put on the mind of Christ, to strive for the prize of the high calling in Christ Jesus: I don't go where I used to go, I don't do what I used to do yet I'm still far from perfect but I know I've been changed. Our understanding is what is lacking, before and after our conversation we must learn, we didn't know how serious sin was and is to our God and Father.
Who is saying continue in your sins? Why have you not made the decision to never sin again? You teach what the bible says not what you think is good.
@@kgar5String I'm going to treat you like I don't know you because I don't know you and because we all speak differently; i presuppose that you meant that we turn from our sinful lifestyle because we will never be without sin while we are in this body. If you believe that you are perfect and without sin in this life maybe you've misunderstood the Scriptures. Calvinism is a dangerous teaching that confuses people, people think God created them for eternal damnation so therefore people turn away and hate God. And many people think in their arrogance that they're special and God loves them above others. There is so much wrong with Calvinism.
I know some pretty good Christians that are calvinist . Don't need perfect theology to love the Lord and be filled with the spirit. Also know some that think because of their perfect theology they're better Christians than others. Simply not true.
It sounds like you do not understand the brevity of the deception that is Calvinism and it's eternal consequences.
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for *the LORD will not hold him guiltless* that taketh his name [character] in vain.
You yet to establish the deceptions or eternal consequences, please elaborate.
What does the scripture quoted have to do with the conversation, I don't get the relationship?
What are the consequences for saying we are saved by Grace alone? What are the consequences for believing Jesus when he said we have eternal life now? What is the consequences for believing God when he says nothing shall separate us from the love of God? There just might be grave consequences for those who say otherwise.
God's inspired scripture tells us of his character: “Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory?” (Romans 9:21-23). The vessels of wrath are contrasted with the vessels of mercy; one set is slated for destruction, and the other for glory.
Who is the potter?
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Only a few go to heaven. So it won’t be what the majority believe.
John Calvin was an excellent Bible teacher. Most have never read Calvin which is the irony….
Didn’t he have a man killed over doctrinal issue?
@@user-xt8jg5fq4n I think that was Martin Luther but I could be wrong. It’s been a while since I’ve researched that stuff
@@user-xt8jg5fq4n Calvin actually didn’t kill servetus. The law enforcement did. Calvin was just a pastor and did not have the right to wield the sword due to not being a civil magistrate. Geneva was a Christian city. Servetus was a full blown anti christ and Calvin actually tried writing him to help him understand the Gospel but he didn’t listen and wanted to cause apostasy in Geneva. Calvin warned him not to come to Geneva because the civil magistrate would kill him for spreading heresy but Servetus still went. TLDR : Calvin did not kill servetus, the civil magistrate did
@@user-xt8jg5fq4n he endorsed the death of more than one who didn’t agree with him.
@@user-xt8jg5fq4nThis often told but not true. Listen on sermon audio to James White’s lecture on Calvin and Servates, it is under his church history series.
My experience with calvinism was having a pastor come into ny Baptist church and began teaching & preaching reformed theology. I met with the pastor several times as i was confused as to why the pastor was not teaching Baptist doctrine. The church eventually took the "Baptist" affilliation away from the church. I've since learned this is a common practice among reformed "pastors". I believe this is being intentionally untruthful and underhanded. The majority of the congregation did not know the distinction between Calvinism & Arminianism. I was told by my pastor, in front of the church, that my beliefs were heresy because i believed "the world" in John 3:16 meant unlimited atonement. I do not profess calvinism nor arminianism. I believe the scripture. I agree with you that there are "calvinistic" doctrines that are Biblical. I refer to that as biblical truth. I was told by my pastor that I didn't adhere to calvinistic doctrine because "it doesbt seem fair". To the contrary, I do not adhere to limited atonement because it is not biblical. Doctrine matters. If i knowingly attend a reformed church - ok. When pastors come into a church that is not reformed and have as a goal to change the doctrine of that church- unknowingly to the elders & congregation, that is called manipulation, being intentionally underhanded and untruthful. I believe at best this mindset is "the end justifies the means", at worst its unchristian behavior.
The “Doctrines of Grace” is a beautiful Doctrine..
Corey are any of the teachings of CALVINISM, a stumbling block to Unbelievers.
Does CALVINISM destort, the true gospel.
Does the doctrine of the elect, make void the gospel, for Unbelievers that are trying to find God.
DOES CALVINISM make it hard for someone TO HAVE THE FULL ASSURANCE THAT FAIT BRINGS.
DOES CALVINISM, DISORT THE FREEDOM A TRUE CHRISTIAN SUPPOSED TO HAVE IN CHRIST.
Jesus said all that the father gives him will come to him, that eliminates any stumbling block.
Jesus was the one who taught election and eternal security, the eliminates distorting the Gospel.
Does the gospel of election void the gospel the answer is no, they rejected it on their own, everyone who goes to hell deserves to be there because of their sin.
Does election make it hard for someone to have assurance of salvation, on the contrary it is the only way to sure, after seeing your decision making all of your life, you are counting on you? Never heard anything more foolish.
God gave the Old Testament to prove man’s inability to maintain a good relationship with God which is the reason he gave a new covenant where he provided the solution The atonement, faith, the ability to live correctly, the power to remain. Ezekiel 36:25-27
@@kgar5String yes the Father gives him all that would believe, like the disciples, they didn't immediately believe, but they came to the faith.
Scripture answers everything, Jesus said all that the father gives me will come to him and he will not lose any of them, God is not going to miss out on anyone he intended to go to heave because of a man. The same person that said God gives him his sheep said preach it to all the world, we don't know who the sheep are and we won't know, Jesus said the Angels will separate the wheat from the tares when Jesus comes.
Jesus said, “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them” (John 6:44). In other words, the only way we can seek God is if the Holy Spirit has first stirred our hearts with a desire for God. It is God who draws us to Himself. Ephesians 2:8 underscores this truth: “By grace are you saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God.” Even the faith to believe for salvation does not originate within our fleshly nature. God enables the fallen human heart to seek Him, when in our own self-centered rebellion we would never do so. Every good thing originates with God (James 1:17). Faith in God is a good thing, and so it also originates with God.
I'm not sure what freedom you are talking about but here is what Jesus said.
The true freedom that Jesus gives is freedom (1) from the penalty of sin-there is no more condemnation for those in Him (Romans 8:1), and no longer are we children of wrath (Ephesians 2:1-3); (2) from the power of sin-no longer are we in bondage to sin, but now we can do righteousness; without faith it is impossible to please Him, but, with faith, we can please Him (Hebrews 11:6); and one day we will be free (3) from the presence of sin-when our eternal life is fulfilled, we will be like Him and without sin (Romans 8:28-30).
If you are talking about free will, if your will was free as we think it is, we could use that will to never sin again, name the person who's will was strong to do so.
@kgar5String
CALVINISM.
1. T. TOTAL DEPRAVITY
Calvinist, say we are dead, and that we can
Not even respond to God unless he regenerates us.
They turn salvation into a 2 step program,
Get REGENERATED, then get BORN FROM ABOVE.
1st, God does a spiritual work that allows you to see the truth, then if you believe, you are born again.
But the bible says,1 step is needed BELIEVE.
New International Version JOHN 3:3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
This total depravity is said to result in a total inability to contribute anything to one’s salvation.
( But at the same time they teach age of accountability.) What a j😃ke
English Standard Version JOHN 5:25
“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when (the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God,) and those who HEAR will live.
2. U. UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
This means, only the ones Christ chose from the foundations of life are going to be saved, The rest are going to hell.
BUT THE BIBLE SAYS.
English Standard Version MATTHEW 7:13
(“Enter by the narrow gate.) For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
English Revised Version REV 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And he that heareth, let him say, Come. And he that is athirst, let him come: he that will, let him take the water of life freely.
3. L. LIMITED ATONEMENT
They say Christ only shed his blood for
The elect.
BUT THE BIBLE SAYS.
Berean Standard Bible 1john 2:2
He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
YES, IT'S LIMITED TO WHOEVER WILL RECEIVE IT, BUT ITS OFFERED TO EVERYONE .
4. I. IRRESISTIBLE GRACE
Grace that cannot be resisted, but its only for the elect.
This is the belief that the elect (those chosen by God) are going to be saved whether they desire to be or not.
New International Version
Acts 7:51
“You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: (YOU ALWAYS RESIST THE HOLY SPIRIT!)
(Joshua 24:15).
Joshua told THE Israelites that they had the ability to choose whom they will serve
Peter told those on the day of Pentecost to save themselves (Acts 2:40). By BELIEVING.
5. P. PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS
This means YOU HAVE TO persevere, hang on, hold fast to, not give up in order to be saved.
BUT THE BIBLE SAYS.
New International Version
1 CORINTHIANS 15:57
But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Calvinist make the death burial and resurrection of no effect, because if you are not elect it doesn't matter.
Charles Spurgeon there is no such thing as preaching Christ and him crucified unless we preach what is called CALVINISM.
What a joke! 🤔
First of all, notice that God gives man his soul (Ecclesiastes 12:7; Zechariah 12:1). Can or would God give a man an evil soul? NO. This would contradict James 1:17 which says that every good and perfect gift comes from God. God does not bring forth evil
Psalm 51:5, X Psalm 58:3. X GOD IS THE
GIVER OF THE SOUL, AND INDEED EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM GOD IS GOOD. THE SEED OF ADAM IS BORN WITH A SINFUL NATURE, BECAUSE OF ADAMS SIN , BUT ADAM HIMSELF WAS PERFECT AND SINLESS WHEN HE WAS CREATED.
SO NO MAN WAS NOT CREATED WITH A SINFUL NATURE, ONLY HIS SEED WAS BORN WITH ONE.
ADAM = MAN= PERFECTION.
ADAM’S SEED = US = SINFUL NATURE.
WHEN GOD SPOKE WITH CAIN, HE SAID TO HIM, IF YOU DO WELL , WILL YOU NOT BE ACCEPTED.
THERE WAS NO TOTAL DEPRAVITY THERE.
CALVINISM IS BLASPHEMY.
THEY DO NOT TRUST IN THE FINNISHED WORK OF CHRIST AND THE FULL ASSURANCE THAT COMES WITH IT.
English Standard Version
HEBREWS 10:22
let us draw near with a true heart in (FULL ASSURANCE OF FAITH with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE, DOES IT TALK ABOUT BEING ELECTED FOR SALVATION, ONLY BEING ELECTED FOR SERVICE.
There are those that God foreknew, and those he never knew.
ROMAN'S 8:29 THE ONES HE KNEW.
MATTHEW 7:23 THE ONE'S HE NEVER KNEW.
JUST BECAUSE HE FOREKNEW YOU DOESN'T MEAN YOU WERE ELECTED.
JUST LIKE THE ONE'S HE NEVER KNEW,
DOESN'T MEAN THEY WEREN'T ELECTED.
THE BIBLE CLEARLY TELLS US THAT THE JUDGMENT IS THAT THEY LOVED THE DARKNESS RATHER THAN THE LIGHT.
WE ARE CALLED TO TAKE THE MESSAGE
OF SALVATION TO THE WHOLE WORLD, SO THAT EVERYONE CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO BE SAVED, IF THEY WOULD BELIEVE IT.
King James Bible 2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God talked to Cain, Cain didn't believe God.
God talked to Abraham. Abraham believed God.
@@reynaldoperez7285 You missed the point, did any of them not believe?
Ephesians 2
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
God gives us the faith through his Grace (favor that is not merited) just like the scripture says, not of yourselves. When you are sent by the father you will believe and continue to believe because the scripture says so.
How does it hurt someone’s walk? How about creating a God that’s based on a total lie that if you’re not part of the “elect” there’s no hope for redemption? If you can’t see the harm in that you’re not understanding Calvinism.
@@Budget_Consciousyour free will is first and foremost and it's clear to see... Has nothing to do with God
@@Budget_Conscious he doesn't agree with all of Calvinism . He has a clip on tulip and explains which are biblical and which aren't. He backs everything up with scripture
I'm torn between Calvinism and provisionism, but I think the answer could be somewhere in the middle. Some things are undeniably predetermined. Some things are up to us. Then again, we aren't even aware of most of the influencing factors in our lives, down to our genetic influences.
I'm not sure we're even supposed to understand such a thing...
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:8-9
God gave us the scripture so that we could understand, we have to read the scripture as though we know nothing so that we will not put our preconceived beliefs into the scripture. In order for God to have all of your heart, mind and soul he has to have the ability to shape even what you believe about him.
Your faith is a gift from God no one can hav e faith on there on unless God open your heart to believe you cant
You are right, Ephesians does not say we are saved by faith, it says we are save by Grace through faith and that not of our own, meaning God graced us with the faith to believe him.
What I seen is , they hate Calvinist because they say that salvations is only by Christ alone and no works of ours play a part in our salvation. That’s the Gospel that a lot hate. That we are saved only by the Merit of ONE and not ours.
Ppppppppppuppet along.
@@truthseeker5698When you can’t defend with scripture you resort to insults.
@@kgar5String Lol, calvies love their gnostic scripture gymnastic tactics.
Cult along bro, if you choose to!
@@truthseeker5698 so I’m a puppet by believing that I’m saved ONLY by Jesus the Messiah’s perfect work on the cross , His blood and resurrection and not my works ?
@@completoencristo You’re a steward of the decision. Jesus The Messiah died for whosoever, unlike the christ of calvin.
Indeed, calvinists are puppets.
Corey, do you believe regeneration comes before faith?
Why would one need a new heart, if they could believe and have faith before God gives them a new heart? Free will doctrine is backwards....
One of these days I'll figure out what Calvinism is. If I ask ten folks I get ten different definitions.
Exactly.
You have plenty of Material to study up on Calvin's. You can't depend on what people tell you about anything to do with Theology. Be careful about from whom you take your counsel from. Be a Berean. Paul held the Bereans up high because they searched the Scriptures(the Old Testament because that is what the Apostles taught from) to make sure what Paul taught is correct. So research this and then you can help others.
The Acronym TULIP will tell you what Calvinism is.
Do you do the same thing with Christianity? Exactly
T.U.L.I.P.
I love “ Calvinism “ as a general label, as a “ point of reference “
Be ye none of these things and be ye holy for he is holy. That’s it. If you truly love Jesus Christ, be imitators of Christ and place his yoke upon you and learn from him. Read your scriptures over and over and over and put it into practice at every opportunity.
Amen
Calvinism is just biblical Christianity. So I’m unbiblical in giving God the glory in everything? He saved me and all of this is because of His good pleasure and from this day forward I sing amazing grace to the praise of His name. Yeah , that’s unbiblical and God doesn’t like me because I give Him all the credit!! Unreal. Read Ephesians 1:3-14.
Total depravity + predestination = God is responsible for man’s sinful nature.
You summed up my thoughts, exactly. Idk why anyone gets so upset with a theory of how God does things.
Calvinism = God takes pleasure in the death of the wicked
Bible = God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked
Calvinism = God wills that most perish
Bible = God wills that none perish
So yes. Its dangerous. Its evil. Its blaphemy. Its not "silly" to defend the character of God against blatant heretics.
The whole Calvinist debate seems unnecessarily divisive. I feel about Calvinism the same way I feel about the "rapture". I've seen very convincing scriptural based arguments on both sides that just amount to different interpretations leading to different conclusions. Does it change the gospel of Jesus Christ? No.
Who moves first is the question and who does what is another question.
It does change the gospel.. the God of Calvinism didn't die for everyone .therefore the gospel doesn't apply to everyone. But it does apply to everyone. It's a special gospel only applicable to special people God wants to be saved. And also Perseverance of the saints is subtle works based doctrine in and of itself which contradicts the gospel
@@christianforreal Yeah, but the rationale I've heard for unconditional election is that God knows who will choose Him, so it's more like an illusion of election. However, even if God did predestine some and not others, doesn't a sovereign God have that right? But even if true, the end result is a whole lot of people not just leaving Calvinism, but leaving God altogether for "not being fair". It's of the devil if you ask me.
@@christianforreal Why did Jesus speak in parables? He said because it is not for them to know, If I speak plainly they would repent. That eliminates wanting all men to repent. Jesus also said it (the gospel) is hidden from the wise and prudent. They certainly cannot be saved without the gospel.
“Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory?” (Romans 9:21-23). The vessels of wrath are contrasted with the vessels of mercy; one set is slated for destruction, and the other for glory.
This is good. I am not a Calvinist per label. But I do agree with the teachings. But I have always thought how is this so dangerous.
Very good video.
I prefer the term particular redemption over limited atonement. The Bible I think is clear that God chose who would be saved.
Hello smart Christians
At 8:50 Cory says the direct object is “us” and the indirect object is Christ, what if it is the other way around, the “us” is the indirect object and Jesus is the direct object. Just my thoughts, because my view is Christ always was chosen even before the earth was created. The Father chose the Son (Christ) even before man has sinned, even before the fall of Satan from Heaven.
I never knew what Calvinism was, but I understood from the Bible that predestination has to be true, otherwise God is not omniscient.
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows. Luke 12:7
If God doesn't already know who will be saved, if it is a complete surprise to him, well, that's just ridiculous. God is the only one who already knows whosoever will. He also already knows whosoever won't.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
It really is all about God!
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Predestination has to be true, otherwise, God is not omniscient. The thing about predestination is that God is the only one who knows how it turns out. We are not privy to it. Therefore, we have to live our lives one moment at a time constantly making choices that we have no idea we will be faced with, until we are faced with them. We also have no idea what choices we will make, until we make them. However, God already knows.
God knew exactly what would happen in the garden of Eden. That is why He put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil there. He did not have to let the serpent in Eden. It was in the plan of salvation from the beginning. Adam's sin was not a failure of God. It was His plan. That is why Revelation says that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. It was already in the plan. It is all about us coming back to God in repentance and falling on His mercy; and who will and who will not. Some will be wheat and some will be tares. Which is why he didn't give us our eternal bodies in the first place. God will sort us out in the resurrection or the harvest.
I confess that i find the Calvinist (Reformed) Pastors tend to be more solid in their teachings and i agree with most of what they teach. It doesn't mean that i don't listen to other respectable men of God who do not carry the label. But i find the way Calvinists are attacked is just unacceptable and unbecoming of anyone calling themselves christians. I remember listening to Pr. Mike Winger on Calvinism opposing the teachings of Calvinism and James White in reply called him a brother in Christ and went ahead to explain his position. I did not see or hear anyting bad or evil in their responses to each other. The problem must be with the uncontrolled followers who run away with partial understanding.
The plans of man are many, but all of them are of the Lord. The steps of man are many, but all of them are of the Lord. How would you like to end up being predetermined by God that there has to be a Judas to fulfill scripture? What does God NOT know before it happens?
Happened to be listening to Leighton Flowers today and he said something that's heartbreaking; he said that Calvinism had caused many people to reject the Bible, to reject God.
Is that not dangerous? Flowers knows a lot more about Calvinism than most seeing that he once called himself a Calvinist and had since rejected such teaching. I guess it's just a Christian debate between Christians trying to prove themselves; why not just preach to gospel of Jesus Christ unto eternal life?
One of the dumbest things you can say, I believe Jesus is a little smarter than Leighton, Jesus said you can’t come to him unless the father sends him and he said he wasn’t gonna lose any. God doesn’t lose souls because of people.
@@kgar5String Calvinism is dangerous; thousands of people testify how they were confused by the damnable teaching: let God be God, do you know who God has drawn, if not please be quiet, Calvinism and Calvinist are dangerous.
That proves Leighton does not understand the scriptures, If Jesus says you can't come to him unless God draws them and everyone that God draws he will lose none of them, God does not miss sheep because of a heretic. Jesus said his sheep won't follow a strangers.
God and Jesus is where Calvin got the tenets, God said he predestined before the foundations of the world, Jesus was the one who said now you have eternal life, eternal means eternal that is why he used that word. The Holy Spirit was the one who inspired the Paul to say nothing shall separate from the love of God and nothing included you. What is dangerous you trying to do what God said he will do.
@@kgar5String You sound like Piper, with all due respect I never know what yaw are saying; you try to quote Scripture from anywhere trying to defend Calvinism, I don't know what you're saying. I'll tell you like I tell the rest of your Calvinist brothers let God be God; let God be true and every man a liar. You're pointing to Scripture as if you know the heart, whether someone is saved or not. Calvinism is arrogant.
Calvinism is very deceptive and depends on twisted definitions of key terms. At first one may seem to agree with many if not all of the tenants of Calvinism; however, as ones eyes are opened to the deception it becomes clear how wrong it its. The use of deceptive terms to argue its positions makes Calvinism particularly evil and not merely wrong in my opinion.
@@Budget_Conscious Your heart is showing, you fill the live chat and the comment sessions with insults, if you had the heart of the father you would have compassion for people like he does which includes the "Calvinist". It seems as though your objective is be smart, right and combative. Insult are made to hurt is that your intentions? What you make happen for others God will happen for you.
If the spotless lamb and the scapegoat on the Day of Atonement were only for God’s chosen people (ie the nation of Israel) and not for the extant surrounding nations, “Who are you, O man, who answer back to God? …” Romans 9:20-21.
@@Budget_Consciouslet go of your free will delusion and idol
It's interesting how anti-Calvinists say Calvinism is prideful and delusional but at the same time they themselves insist they're the one who chose God and without their freewill, God’s offer of salvation would be ineffectual
@@Budget_Conscious Was it God who chose you from before the foundation of the world or was it you who chose to accept God’s prevenient grace? Wouldn't that contradict John 6:44?
99% of the scripture was to Israel, is the a gospel for Israel and another one for the Gentiles?
@@kgar5String There's only one gospel by which anyone is saved in the OT and NT, circumcised and unconcircumsized - ie by faith alone. “Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.”
Romans 4:9-10 ESV
You’re just wrong. There’s some doctrines that are evil and Calvinism is one of them. Of course we can agree on a lot of what is common beliefs but when you do the deep dive on Calvinism you find out that they’re indicting God for the evil in this world and that He created people without the possibility for redemption. Iow’s He crated people for their destruction and His glory….does that sound like the God we read about in the Bible?
It sounds like you are judging God with man's standards, God is the only one who could determine what is good and what is evil.
Let's see if it sounds like the God we read about in the Bible. “Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory?” (Romans 9:21-23). The vessels of wrath are contrasted with the vessels of mercy; one set is slated for destruction, and the other for glory.
The God of the Bible is the Potter.
God has the right (as the Creator) to have mercy on whom He will have mercy and the right to harden whom He will harden (Romans 9:18). Paul cites God’s dealings with Pharaoh in Exodus as an example.
God doesn’t create people for destruction or his glory. Every person was created in God’s image, if they fail to believe on Him it’s their fault not God’s. He desperately LOVES each and everyone He’s made. He went to the cross for us and showed us His love. How dare you even suggest God is the author of evil!!! Calvinism is wicked, it twists scriptures to fit the doctrine. It’s false.
@@lapdog4135 Wait a minute, I think you misunderstand, This is holy spirit inspired this scripture that Paul wrote, I did not make it up. sounds like you don't like who God is. did you not read the scripture? That is God talking, he is the potter. Are you arguing with God?
“Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory?” (Romans 9:21-23). The vessels of wrath are contrasted with the vessels of mercy; one set is slated for destruction, and the other for glory.
@@lapdog4135 Calvin did not say it,Paul did, point to the twisted part and who twisted it?
@@kgar5String dude, Don’t act like you’re a theologian, you’re not. Go watch Dr. Leighton Flowers for all the holes in your Calvinist doctrine. Case closed!
Why then did Christ have to be sacrificed on the cross? Why do we have commandments? Sincerely wondering about this for some time now. ❤
Well balanced video, but unfortunately you'll find some in your comment section that apparently don't agree.
He chose us that would believe to be in Christ! Before the foundations of the world.
That is not what he said, you added words to the scripture plus, why would he have to chose you if he knew you chose him?
@kgar5String that's exactly what it says.
He chose them to be adopted into God's family.
Where does it say he chose us to be saved.
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even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love.
@@reynaldoperez7285 Can you be in God's family without being saved?
God the Father “chose us in [Christ] before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight” (Ephesians 1:4). The Father also “in love . . . predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will” (Ephesians 1:4-5).
Believers are chosen or caused to be chosen (as per the middle voice of the aorist verb) before the foundation of the world. In other words, this determination of God took place before the world had even been created. Notice how far Paul is going to assert that this new, blessed position of the believer is not of one’s own doing. It began with God’s choice, and it shows that God is the basis of the believer’s blessing, not one’s own merits.
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No, but you have the chance to, if someone would break down the true gospel to you.
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HE also chose judas, didn't he.
NO, JUDAS WAS NOT PREDESTINED TO BETRAY GOD, BUT GOD KNEW WHAT HE WOULD DO, SO IT WAS WRITTEN.
Just because God chose us ,that would believe the gospel doesn't mean we are specially picked for salvation.
God does not show favoritism to man,
Haven't you read.
Ever since the beginning, all men have been saved by grace through faith .
Even Cain had the same opportunity, God specifically told him, IF YOU DO WELL, WONT YOU BE ACCEPTED!
CAIN KNEW GOD! CAIN SPOKE WITH GOD!
Cain is proof that a man can know God , and reject him, BUT NOT A MAN FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT.
CAIN DECIDED TO DO HIS WILL NOT KNOWING THAT THAT WAS NOT FREEDOM.
HE FREELY WENT INTO CAPTIVITY, BLINDLY.
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Jude 1:11
Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and ( ABANDONED THEMSELVES ) for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion.
They did it to themselves for greed.
Cain walked in his own way, GODLESS ,AND GREEDY.
you know what really did ruin my walk to a certain extent? i went to bible college and they spent an entire semester teaching me alllll about islam. in depth. i had been saved one year. it messed me up bad.
My friend that died was a calvinist we agreed with alot of things only thing i find that we opposed is how we got to CHRIST we both believe eventually all believers will come to CHRIST
I'm a Calvinist. I had nothing to do with my Salvation, but simply to witness it. I could not come to Christ, I could not believe in Christ, nor could I say a sinner's prayer to receive forgiveness of my sins for Salvation. Nothing happened, when attempting these unsuccessful measures for God's Grace. I know, because the thought of my attempts to do so either vanished later in the day, or I was still left with a sense of emptiness and brokenness. You're Saved by the Holy Spirit from Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior. You bring nothing to the table, because you and me aren't holy enough to understand on any level, the actual EXPERIENCE of Salvation/Regeneration. John 3:16, or the Jesus Saves billboard tells us if we believe, that Jesus will save us. Not true. Many are in hell today, for taking this broad road to destruction. What it MEANS to be Saved, is the Power of the Holy Spirit raising your dead spirit to Life. You simply cannot pray for something, when you are unaware of it's results. This would imply that you had some kind of control towards your salvation. Simply not true! It takes something Holy on God's part. (hence, the Holy Spirit) You can't cause a spark plug to fire without spark plug wires. (Holy Spirit) And you certainly can't cause it to fire, without Someone Sending a Signal through those spark plug wires. Yes, you can see and even understand the importance of having a Signal. (Jesus) But if one hasn't experienced the power of Christ's Holy Spirit, you can have the newest and best set of spark plugs on earth, AND IT WILL DO NOTHING! I use to own the best set of spark plugs on earth. They were called "self righteousness." When I received the gift of the Holy Spirit, all bets were off, in my ability to do anything for my salvation. After all, I've never experienced the Goodness of God before. I had to experience His Holiness for myself first, before I realized how Good God really is. Jesus says, "Only God is Good." Not only do I understand it now, but it's because of my experience with Christ's Holy Spirit, that I am able to make this claim. God loves a humble heart! His Holy Spirit causes you to repent, and turn from your sins. I certainly didn't develop this genuine repentance on my own. The sinner's prayer did absolutely nothing for me, as stated before. I'm sooooo thankful for all, who spread the Good News of the Gospel to me. It lay dormant not dead, in my (however) dead soul. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it was my brokenness, in which God redirected my dead spirit, towards my Savior Jesus Christ. And from there, Christ's Holy Spirit raised me from the dead. It was literally "effectual."
@2:30 you FAILED TO DEFINE FAITH CORRECTLY … STOP IT!
How do you define it?
Mike winger had a great video on calvinism. He referenced the conversation as “family discussion”. Although he doesn’t agree fully with calvinism, he agrees they are brothers and sisters in christ!
It's a misrepresentation to say Mike Winger doesn't "fully agreewith Calvinism". He doesn't believe in it at all.
1 Corinthians 1:10-17
Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.
Charles Simeon’s (Calvinist) conversation with John Wesley (Arminian)
It is instructive in this connection to ponder Charles Simeon’s account of his conversation with John Wesley on December 10, 1784 (the date is given in Wesley’s journal):
Charles Simeon: “Sir, I understand that you are called an Arminian; and I have been sometimes called a Calvinist; and therefore I suppose we are to draw daggers. But before I consent to begin the combat, with your permission I will ask you a few questions.… Pray, Sir, do you feel yourself a depraved creature, so depraved that you would never have thought of turning to God, if God had not first put it into your heart?”
John Wesley: “Yes,” says the veteran, “I do indeed.”
Charles Simeon: “And do you utterly despair of recommending yourself to God by anything you can do; and look for salvation solely through the blood and righteousness of Christ?”
John Wesley: “Yes, solely through Christ.”
Charles Simeon: “But, Sir, supposing you were at first saved by Christ, are you not somehow or other to save yourself afterwards by your own works?”
John Wesley: “No, I must be saved by Christ from first to last.”
Charles Simeon: “Allowing, then, that you were first turned by the grace of God, are you not in some way or other to keep yourself by your own power?”
John Wesley: “No.”
Charles Simeon: “What, then, are you to be upheld every hour and every moment by God, as much as an infant in its mother’s arms?”
John Wesley: “Yes, altogether.”
Charles Simeon: “And is all your hope in the grace and mercy of God to preserve you unto his heavenly kingdom?”
John Wesley: “Yes, I have no hope but in him.”
Charles Simeon: “Then, Sir, with your leave I will put up my dagger again; for this is all my Calvinism; this is my election, my justification by faith, my final perseverance: it is in substance all that I hold, and as I hold it; and therefore, if you please, instead of searching out terms and phrases to be a ground of contention between us, we will cordially unite in those things wherein we agree.
I have friends and family who were Christians that held to Calvinism, but are no longer Christians because OF the logical implications of the system. I’m there are other reasons, but they have expressed their disdain of the implications being a catalyst. My brother Corey is out of his league here. Still love him though. 😊
Are saying Corey made up what he was saying, that is not what the scripture he quoted was saying?
Do you think God misses out on people going to heaven because of false teachers? He said otherwise. Jesus said his sheep don't follow strangers.
You were never a christian if you can walk away, Jesus he would be you always, is he just standing there while you walk away when he said he would leave the 99 and go get the sheep that goes astray, did he lie?
As a New Englander I agree, wicked awesome!
Prove it with scripture
@@kgar5String Ephesians 1
@@Pastor_Grant 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
This proves we were predestined as I stated.
@@kgar5String that's what I'm saying, non Calvinists usually get mad when you bring up election and predestination or they accuse you of being a "Calvinist" when you are just reading Bible verses.
I place my faith in Jesus He is the object of my faith and ŵhat he did on the cross at cavary saves me.
So you are saved based on your ability to obey?
The seething hatred of Calvinism by Christians is what led me to eventually believe in the doctrines of Grace.
God bless you. Praise God, what a wonderful video.
Does Calvinism misrepresent the very nature and character of God? Yes or No?
No, the scripture provides the nature of God, he is perfect in all of his ways which includes Justice, vengeance, love, hate and all the inspired scripture gives us.
Proverbs 6:16-19 lists seven things the Lord hates: pride, lying, murder, evil plots, those who love evil, false witnesses, and troublemakers. Notice that this passage does not include just things that God hates; it includes people as well.
We cannot begin to understand God’s justice unless we first understand sin. sin is a crime against God, and justice demands a penalty of death and separation from Him for it (Romans 1:18-32; 2:5; 3:23). But God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to earth to pay that penalty for us (Romans 5:8-11; 6:23) and made salvation available to all who believe in His name (John 1:12; 3:15-17; 20:31).
His mercy and grace are not in spite of His justice, but because of it. He loved us so much that, despite the fact that our sin demands our death, He sent His Son to be our substitute upon the cross, thus demonstrating that His justice was not violated, but instead satisfied (1 Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9).
You don’t think limited atonement is wick? Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Is limited atonement true? !! My man problem with Calvinism is the limited atonement. When you think about the price that was paid?? Is Roman Catholicism dangerous and wick?
Jonah tried to runaway from his fate (faith). How far did he make it
I guess it raises a question. Did Jonah "try" to run away from his fate of his own will? Only for God to use His power to control circumstances to bring him to repentance? Or did God determine him to disobey, then determine him to flee, then determine him to repent. Calvinism brought to it's logical end will have people saying God not only decreed his rebellion but that He has also decreed ALL evil to come to pass...
@@bolt.22 if you don't like the power God has to manipulate and engineer our circumstances to bring about whatever outcome he desires than you got a problem I cannot help you with. 🤣🤣🤣
Did Jesus run from the cross. Thank God we're not Jesus right? We would've took our little pansey butts and ran and hid in a hole somewhere. Theres a problem with that though. Ask some people on this earth whats life like when you keep running from your problems and letting them pile up.
@@Ramone5167 I absolutely agree that God is active in guiding our lives. That's. Not. Calvinism.
Think about this, what do you call a God who decrees all evil? Would that be an evil God? Yes or no will do.
@@bolt.22 God cannot lie. Lets start here. As a gaurdian who is responsible for the upbringing of one who is brought into this world. I have to reward my creation (child) for doing good and bad. I cannot let 1 child get away with murder because the other children will not respect my authority. So my answer would be. God decrees evil as a reward, punishment, just like parents. We have to have order.
@@bolt.22 Does one set a hedge of protection around a garden to prevent rodents from getting in. Does a household have a man (dad) as a threat towards any opposition? Causing robbers to question whether or not, they should attempt to overtake that house?
There are people who have crept in and destroyed the order of the house. They first deleted and bound the dads in chains and then the robbers raised the children. Now the children dont even know who they are, they become dads, their broken, then the brokenness down to their children.
Do you believe God knows past, present and future? Total human depravity? People (we) are OBLIVIOUS to the sins we commit since our youth! What were you doing before you got saved? “Mankind is INCREASINGLY WICKED since youth”
I never met an anti-calvinist that wasn’t pro humanist. I have met many non-calvinists who agree with much of his exposition whether they know it or not though.
Truly all the Saints of God must say the same thing. We are of God who have his Spirit. We are his body a spiritual house. Too much study of others views distract us from the Truth. The Truth is in Christ.John 18:37 (KJV) Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. That truth is revealed in the Holy Scripture written from Moses to Revelation and now his Truth/Law is in our mind which is the heart. Keep your heart/mind with all diligence.
The word of YHWH is more powerful than any dimensionality point of view about anything.
I personally love the approach of Calvinists like Charles Spurgeon and RC Sproul they have been a great help to my walk...and I love their perspective and ppl they disagree with ..they recognize them as brothers in error or just mistaken or misguided
Where is Calvin in the Bible? Or Calvinist?
Scripture please that says we are to follow a man made (false) doctrine
Amen Brother! As It Is Written! KJV - Hebrews 11 : 6 “But Without FAITH It Is IMPOSSIBLE
To PLEASE HIM: For He That Cometh To GOD Must Believe That HE Is, and That HE
Is a Rewarder of Them That DILIGENTLY Seek HIM.” HalleluJah!
Read Romans 3 all the way and Daniel 7:25
How do you reconcile the scripture that says “There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is non the seekers after God? Did Paul miss it?
All the scripture you quoted are true however In the parable of the sower they believed Jesus but did not continue because of the cares of this, Jesus the ground (heart), only one of the grounds (heart) was good. Man does not change his heart it is done by God. Jesus when talking to Nicodemus about being born again (new heart) said you had to be born of the water and the spirt, he than said you had to born from above (God), Jesus was referring to Ezekiel 36:25-27 where God said he would was you with water, take out your heart of stone and put in heart of flesh, put his spirit in you and cause you to walk in his ways. God was the one talking and he did not ask Israel to do anything with their heart, God said he would do it. This is how we are born from above (become good ground), he said he would cause us to walk in his ways.
“Tell me how being a hyper determinist harms someone’s walk”
Alright, that’s an easy one. Calvinists will tell r*pe/SA victims that their experience was personally orchestrated by God to take place from the beginning. This is the famous “you were r*ped for Gods glory, and since every thing in God’s will is good, you being r*ped was also good in God’s eyes as well”. This creates distrust in God since he would personally go out of his way to have that happen to you. Is that a fair example?
No, because as terrible as it sounds, all things- good or bad- have occurred under the Providence of God. And it is all for His glory. That’s pretty clear from passages like Isaiah 45:7.
The way someone explains that can be unsympathetic and callous but it doesn’t change the facts.
Sometimes we throw around that phrase- that God causes all things to occur- and it comes across as if we’re saying that God designs evil or that He plans evil. That isn’t what we mean: what we mean is that God uses evil (both naturally and supernaturally) to work out His good plans. It’s rooted in the fact that God is good, and He is in total control of everything, therefore if evil happens to me, He somehow allowed it and since He is good, He will work it out so that it will be good in the end even if I don’t agree with Him or understand His ways.
@@elciscoplummer3255 are you taking this position as a hyper determinist? Because this was the specific question that was asked.
Thank you my brother in Christ.
Me wondering if Corey would apply that same logic towards Saiko Woods who’s a known Calvinist? 🤔😂
@@Budget_Conscious I bet you don't go Saiko's site making all that noise.
The real problem with Calvinism isn't that it's a bad doctrine. Both Free will and Determinism are in the Bible. That's the problem. Calvinism does breed a certain arrogance, but that's no more a problem than the false humility on the Armenian side. The idea of free will vs. Determinism is not something you can solve in the Bible because both ideas are all over the typical 66 book bible. I tended to lean more toward Calvinism as a Christian because it was so much more drastic and it definitely scared the hell out of me. The contradiction in the bible between free will and determinism was the final nail in my religious coffin. I realized this is not one of the "disputable" ideas Paul was talking about in the New Testament. The bible is a book written by men not God. That's why it's such an obviously contradictory book. God isn't dead, he was just never alive to begin with.
Calvinism has some great men of God and teachers
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Most of the people that insult Calvinism never ever read studied Calvinism. I am against the word of faith and Charismatic because I come from this movement.
"Stop saying silly things" ~Corey
Words of wisdom ❤❤❤
Yet you hide your name
@@kgar5String “Stop saying silly things” applies to your comment!
@@LambsGrace In other words when cannot defend you insult.
@@kgar5String There you go again! Saying silly things!
@@kgar5String I apologize for making light of your comment “Yet you hide your name.” It makes no sense. A great many people prefer privacy and use anonymous usernames. What does this have to do with the topic of the video? Grace & peace! ❤🙏✝
It does have a bearing, because when you corrupt the truth you are evil. Calvinism is wrong and corrupts the truth. God knows the beginning from the end, God doesn't makes us into robots.
Consult all of the scripture before being dogmatic with your statements, It seems as though you are using talking points you hear other people say.
God does not makes us into robots? The good news for us is that he does.
The book of Hebrews says the old covenant was given to us as a school master (teacher), the lesson to be learned was that man would never continually chose/do what God commanded. Man would chose God and believe for a little while and go back to pleasing himself. God understood the problem to an heart Issue. God said man's heart is desperate wicked.
Hebrews (God) if the old covenant was good we would not need a new covenant. God's remedy for man would be accomplished in the new covenant.
Jesus talking to Nicodemus said "No one would see the kingdom unless they are born again and then he said it again a different way, " he said you must be born of water and the spirit, Jesus said you must be born from above. Jesus was referring to Ezekiel 36:25-27 and was astonished the Nicodemus did not know this because it is written the scripture.
“I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.”
Notice who is doing the talking (God), Notice what he asked Israel to do, nothing.
God said he would put his spirit in you and move (some versions say cause) you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.
Coming from the mouth of God, he is into automation and robotics, his grace is amazing.
@@kgar5String are you saying once God puts his spirit in you then you can’t sin? Answer is you can at any time reject God. You are not a slave or robot. You are a free creature that chooses to accept the Holy Spirit and can choose to reject. Once you die and go to heaven you won’t have the flesh desire of sin. I have the desire to sin all the time but I choose not to sin because I choose with my mind to follow God and once I choose to follow Jesus the Holy Spirit comes in me and my heart changes and I hate sin. At anytime I can choose to love sin and the Spirit will try to convict me to reject sin. It is a battle until we die. Once we die and loose the flesh it is a new ball game. I think you are not understanding God. My version of God is better than your version. It is better that I come to God and stay with God freely than to be a slave or robot.
@@Budget_Conscious it is very easy to twist the scripture. The key is to understand God and know his nature. It is absurd to say God force a free creature into heaven or into hell. God’s nature won’t allow him to do so. We can’t make a statement and contradict God’s nature. God is fair and he would never cheat anyone.
One thing I don't like in the Baptist/Calvinist churches is the lack of expression. I had a pastor preach against dancing 😅 huh? He would have been Mika when King David danced for God.
Where in the scripture is that commanded, remember Peter, Paul, James and John had the scriptures with David dancing and they did not deem it important enough to make a big deal out of it. We should get we believe from the scripture.
After reading dozens of comments by anti Calvinist, former Calvinist etc... I see the same old pattern of strawman arguments by the dozen, an ignorance of what it actually teaches, and worse, a real inability to comprehend bible passages because of the inability to understand context.
And some on here claim to believe only two points of TULIP or 3 points or whatever. What you miss is that each letter of TULIP logically and biblically flow in and out of each other in a logical movement. To deny any one is to create confusion and contradiction.
What are you talking, we read the scripture not Two Lips.
@kgar5String Of course you joke, because you don't understand TULIP or scripture. Ignorance of scripture doesn't please God.
Now If you want to have an adult conversation based in biblical reality let me know.
@@mariosangermano The Issue is neither Corey or myself mentioned anything about Calvin, Calvinism or TULIP but you guys saying Calvinism, Calvinist like this is where we get our thinking. Calvin just happened to use some inspired scripture to make his points. The scripture is the scripture. I joked because every other sentence has Calvin, Calvinist or Tulip which is easy to attack because it is not inspired scripture. I do not here a defense of the scripture you believe without added conditions that are not in the text.
Do you believe cessationism is a dangerous doctrine? The Bible says God is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore. Cessationist believe that "some" of the gifts of the Spirit has ceased, and that's not biblical.
As long as it is done like the bible all the miracles are fine, they are not doing it like the bible now days. The miracles in the bible were on public display not in the temples. Why do the so called miracles happen where there is no verification especially there are cameras everywhere and everyone has cellphones. Miracles are not on command only when the holy spirit moves the apostles did not have healing on command or Paul would not have told Timothy to drink wine for his stomach, he would have just healed him.
To anyone who gets this comment especially Calvinist , or who considers themselves a Calvinist, a one point, two, three point or five point; What is the Point of Calvinism? There are millions of philosophies in the world, millions of religions, But there is Only one begotten Son of God and Saviour of the world Jesus Christ. What is the purpose of Calvinism, is it just a discussion for Christians to have? It is obviously a popular subject among Christians what about the non Christian what do they do? Is Calvinism the Gospel of Jesus Christ? I've often heard some video content makers claim it's not a heaven or hell issue? For who the Christian or the non Christian? Once again what is the purpose of teaching John Calvin"s theology? Simply stated (I) don't get it, but it must needs be disgust I get that. Thanks Smart Christian and smart Christians for lifting your voices.
Calvinism is a heresy and must be confronted. If NOT, the weed grows into people’s hearts and they become erroneous and wicked. The spirit of error is leading towards loosing your eternal “security” (not salvation yet). Read 2 Peter 3:17 ... Many Calvinists will be left behind ..,
If you can lose eternal security, it wasn’t secure, what makes it a heresy other than you heard somebody else else say it?
There certainly is a hatred with the idea we are at the mercy of God and God might not choose someone for salvation. We see in Acts 8, God saved some and not Simon all in the same location.
That is the problem man likes control and does not want God to be in control because he might not pick them, If you hear his voice he is calling you. When is it a time that you are not at the mercy of God, he is the one causing your diaphragm to to up and down so that you can breathe. You can do nothing without him, you can't even think straight without him. You should just say "lord I belief but help my unbelief", you should just chose me, what choice do you have.
He is the perfect one to be at the mercy of, that is the problem with man, they don't trust God he wants to put his hands in it.
I agree with Calvinism I just think online Calvinist are smug
I agree with Augustine. So did Calvin😊
lol fair enough
Stereotype
But we have great beards
@@dolanridgecommunitychurch7433 lol facts!
The herald angels said that the birth of Jesus was good news for ALL MEN. Calvinists say God chooses who will be saved and who will not, and those that are not chosen will never be saved. If this is the case, Calvinists must believe that the angels were not speaking truthfully when ghey proclaimed the news was good for all men.
Actually Calvin did not say it, he did not right any of the inspired scripture however Jesus is the on who said God determines who comes to him, God is the one who said he could make vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor. The all with all men, is sometimes all is not all, we can do all things through Christ, we can’t be God, and that is part of all things, you can’t be me and that is also part of all things. The scriptures says all of Israel will be saved and we no Judas will not be saved. Jesus said it was hidden from the wise and the prudent so we know they will be missing out. The disciples asked Jesus why do you speak in parables, Jesus replied it is not for them to know, if I speak plainly they would repent, we now know there is some people Jesus did not want to repent.
It's worth noting that Ignatius of Antioch would have considered Calvinists as lost people. I'm not saying I agree but just pointing out that the early church would have disfellowshipped them. Quote: Let no man deceive himself. Unless he believes that Christ Jesus has lived in the flesh, and shall confess His cross and passion, and the blood which He shed for the salvation of the world, he shall not obtain eternal life, whether he be a king, or a priest, or a ruler, or a private person, a master or a servant, a man or a woman. "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." Let no man's place, or dignity, or riches, puff him up; [Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter VI-Unbelievers in the Blood of Christ Shall Be Condemned].
Come on Corey, I think Pagani has a point. Your delicate approach to calvinism should be applied to the charismatics, word of faith, women preachers, deliverance ministries etc. Where are the calvinists snippet videos of their sermons speaking in error? Where is the jovial banter about their preachers like you do on non calvinist believers? Be equal in your critique/treatment or make it clear that you have bias.
Calvinist are Christian. Often what I and others critique is not of God. There is no comparison.
If you listen to anything Pagani says you are in trouble.