The Unbelievable History Of Bone

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  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Před měsícem +140

    One thing I can tell you as a middle school teacher is that there is no comic series in the WORLD better for a middle school library. The tone is perfect, the pacing is perfect, the characters are perfect. They fly off the shelves

    • @juliiju0484
      @juliiju0484 Před měsícem +4

      That's great to hear! I love that there is a comic this accsesible for that kind of audience

    • @samwill7259
      @samwill7259 Před měsícem +4

      @@juliiju0484 It's also the perfect length! Multiple kids can trade off the volumes and all finish the entire series comfortably within a school year.

    • @kwaksea
      @kwaksea Před měsícem +1

      I found that book from high school libeary, still a good book.

    • @cheezocheddarman7163
      @cheezocheddarman7163 Před měsícem

      Good to know I also attended a middle school with a library that ALSO had this series, lol. Though it didn't have many of the books outside of the main series and I think Out of Boneville wasn't in circulation for awhile to my memory.

    • @Puppy_Puppington
      @Puppy_Puppington Před 9 dny

      Well many factors come into play. U mean westernized child age ? I don’t know if the more mature in Asian countries on average. I don’t know how things are going in Europe, but I’m pretty sure those kids already have been exposed to darker stuff and war and religions and extremism.

  • @carlgibson285
    @carlgibson285 Před měsícem +44

    The B&W Complete Bone would be one of my desert island books.

  • @jikorijo4516
    @jikorijo4516 Před měsícem +19

    It's weird how it's the ideas that everyone says are bad end up becoming the most successful. I wish more people, businesses, etc. would learn this lesson.

  • @CinemaSeven
    @CinemaSeven Před měsícem +34

    I was able to meet Jeff Smith a few years ago and he was friendly and welcoming. We spoke a bit and he signed my one volume book and was surprised it was the first edition.

  • @davecrowson448
    @davecrowson448 Před měsícem +19

    I had never read Bone, but when my daughter was little, I bought the scholastic editions and read them to her. We both loved them. She loved them so much, she had me read them to her several more times! Luckily, it’s all so good, I was able to do that without going crazy. Quality writing and art, with genuinely funny humor. Great comics. I really want to get the B/W complete version, so I can enjoy the art the way it was originally presented, too, but the coloring is great

  • @badbadandy73
    @badbadandy73 Před měsícem +14

    I started reading Bone around the great cow race and loved it! I have been a fan ever since.
    Last year I supported Jeff Smith's Thorn on Kickstarter and I enjoyed that as well.
    Thanks Allan for reviewing one of my favorite stories in comics. I gave my brother the complete omnibus to read to his kids around 8 or 9 and they both are fans now too

  • @amanzeihedioha
    @amanzeihedioha Před měsícem +40

    At last....I'm here till you become a household name, sir!!!!

  • @Thenameless1
    @Thenameless1 Před měsícem +10

    I had a visceral reaction after hearing about the Netflix deal because I remember the series' cancellation was big news when it broke.

  • @ChristianHundahl1989
    @ChristianHundahl1989 Před měsícem +25

    Damn, now I’m looking for Bone on my local bookstore’s website. I’d forgotten how good that series was and here you go and remind me.

  • @cje499
    @cje499 Před měsícem +9

    I remember being introduced to this in High School, SO GOOD!!!!

  • @obizhot
    @obizhot Před měsícem +5

    Nothing but love for the series, it's creator and the everlasting Joy of being able to share it over and over

  • @JulesWebbAnimation
    @JulesWebbAnimation Před měsícem +5

    Black and white Bone is such a delight to behold, I've personally had my eye on cheap listings for The Great Cow Race artist edition for a while now! Would be so cool to see the original inks at the size they were drawn!

  • @ONEFATE9
    @ONEFATE9 Před měsícem +5

    Rat Creature #1: Surrender now, and we will make of you a nice quice.
    Rat Creature #2:Again with the quice?!? I will not eat them as a fluffy pastry dish! STEW IS WHAT WE WILL MAKE OF THEIR BONES!!!!

  • @williamcarr6181
    @williamcarr6181 Před měsícem +5

    Still own the original one-volume edition of the whole series, in glorious original black and white!

  • @kylecarter1599
    @kylecarter1599 Před měsícem +16

    I just got my copy of the Thorn collection yesterday

  • @HotFuss-gd9qr
    @HotFuss-gd9qr Před měsícem +4

    Boy, this video brought back so many good memories! I was obsessed with Bone back in middle school and read all of the volumes from my school library. I was captivated by the story and characters with how it mixes comedy with the LOTR-esque fantasy adventure. Bone was my gateway to comics and without it, I wouldn't be the comic fan I am today.
    I hope someday Bone would actually get a film or animated adaptation (you wouldn't believe how mad I was when Netflix cancelled the project).
    Thank you for making this video! Watching this makes me want to pick up the books and experience it all over again!

  • @carloscrecelius9597
    @carloscrecelius9597 Před měsícem +10

    That's a title I hadn't thought of in quite a while. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember Bone being published by Image for a short time. Loving the content, buddy. Hope everyone wakes up and realizes what a great channel this is.

    • @jikorijo4516
      @jikorijo4516 Před měsícem +5

      It was published by Image for a while and even Disney Adventures published Bone for a little bit. I was introduced to Bone by seeing it in Disney Adventures and then, when my school had Scholastic book fairs a couple of years later, I was reintroduced to it.

  • @hidrogu10000
    @hidrogu10000 Před měsícem +5

    I think that the Netflix one was canceled because Netflix was cutting down on animated projects, what a shame

  • @_FoxHoleCharlie_
    @_FoxHoleCharlie_ Před měsícem +2

    I don't know how you do it. Almost every video makes me want to go read some comic I've never knew existed

  • @palchristianandersen9086
    @palchristianandersen9086 Před měsícem +2

    I remember reading that Jeff Smith worked insane hours to meet Bone's deadlines and that he almost ruined his arm permanently. Looking through my Bone omnibus, I can kinda see why.

  • @davidmoran2296
    @davidmoran2296 Před měsícem +2

    One of my favorites! Reread the entire epic at least once a year!

  • @HobGungan
    @HobGungan Před měsícem +1

    I remember Disney Adventures had snippets of early Bone in glorious color, and I fell in love with it and missed it when they stopped printing it. I rediscovered it near the end of the original run and got the first couple B&W collections. Now I'm looking to see if I can get my hands on a single volume collection so I can finally finish the story.

  • @aaronthompson4726
    @aaronthompson4726 Před měsícem +6

    I'VE BEEN WAITING ON THIS!!!

  • @Antonicane
    @Antonicane Před měsícem +1

    Far and away one of my favourite comics, and probably one of my favourite works of fiction, period. Jeff Smith made something really special with Bone. I still consider it to be 'The Lord of the Rings of Graphic Novels'.

  • @mcswaggins4123
    @mcswaggins4123 Před měsícem +2

    I gave my first volume of this series to my younger cousins for Christmas. They loved it! Dang, now I wish I finished it after watching this vid!

  • @MDolan
    @MDolan Před 24 dny +1

    Was the first comic series I ever read. Thanks for the video.

  • @GenArt_Off
    @GenArt_Off Před měsícem

    I remember reading Bone religiously when I was in elementary to middle school. This is such an amazing series that (imo) hold up and stands with many amazing stories of today.

  • @thetrixter2012
    @thetrixter2012 Před měsícem +1

    The timing of this video is incredible, I just started reading the recently reprinted Thorne Strips last night

  • @bebozaha
    @bebozaha Před měsícem

    I read BONE when I was in high school and I fell in love with it. A few years later I would end buying the whole series in the color form. I hope to read it again one day soon.
    I LOVE BONE

  • @Gootie29
    @Gootie29 Před měsícem

    Bone is a dream. It's an absolute pleasure to read. Thank you for posting this

  • @ultimatekunochi6577
    @ultimatekunochi6577 Před měsícem

    i gave this video a like because i've seen no one else discuss the bone comics. they made my childhood

  • @teddyfurstman1997
    @teddyfurstman1997 Před měsícem +1

    I adore Bone! Still got the One Volume Edition twice and a digital copy of the comic.

  • @FerretPirate
    @FerretPirate Před měsícem

    Once again, you have made me nostalgic for something I have never read.

  • @ajadeleye4970
    @ajadeleye4970 Před měsícem +1

    This series will always be one of my favorites. I consumed all of Smith’s work after I finished this series and goddamn is he a great artist & writer 🤯

  • @rubysuncle
    @rubysuncle Před měsícem

    I adore this series and very glad you got around to it. Hell, I was a fan before even read single issue. I discovered by way of an article in Wizard Magazine and was immediately taken by Smith’s artwork and the plot synopsis of the series up to that point (it was still a very young series). Once I bought my first couple of issues, that’s it, I was hooked.

  • @JMSK248
    @JMSK248 Před měsícem +1

    This was my favorite comic book series during its runs. Then I read it again a couple years ago and it is still fantastic. It is the series I most recommend to people when trying to get them into comics.

  • @jamilfrost6217
    @jamilfrost6217 Před měsícem +1

    Such nostalgia, I remember being a kid and reading the scholastic reprints at my school along with captain underpants. Those were more innocent times.

  • @robling1937
    @robling1937 Před měsícem +2

    Lol, you used the image of the edition of Lord of the Rings that I own! That caught me off guard lol

  • @Queen-of-Tresserhorn
    @Queen-of-Tresserhorn Před měsícem +1

    Ive always seen bone around but never picked it up, but youve always got great reccs so ill be giving this a read on my way back from vacation

  • @atquinn1975
    @atquinn1975 Před měsícem +1

    I was down with Bone from the very beginning. A great series and a good introduction to comics for people who aren't into them. No ideas where those original comics went, but I have the big black and white phone book graphic novel for when I want to revisit it. The colorized version looks great too, but it will always be a b&w comic to me.

  • @AkiDave
    @AkiDave Před měsícem

    I remember people reading it in Elementary school and I was shocked to find out years later that it’s a OOLD comic series. I definitely want to read it someday :0
    Great video!!

  • @DippedInInk
    @DippedInInk Před měsícem +1

    Thanks for posting this. Still looking for The Cartoonist Documentary.

  • @AaronSpielman
    @AaronSpielman Před měsícem

    Great stuff! I discovered Bone when the first collected graphic novel was released. I eventually had all the issues and the complete black and white graphic novel.

  • @yokainov2433
    @yokainov2433 Před měsícem +1

    Loved bone! Glad I finally read it!

  • @Covaslookout
    @Covaslookout Před měsícem +1

    Damn crazy because I was just thinking about doing a video about on Jeff smith! All the same Great video !

  • @legendarymonkey6445
    @legendarymonkey6445 Před měsícem

    I really enjoyed Bone. And Jeff Smith's Shazam and the monster society of evil is also a favorite work of mine.

  • @MrBallofa
    @MrBallofa Před měsícem +1

    My whole friend group was obsessed with Bone in elementary school

  • @GPBX01B
    @GPBX01B Před měsícem

    I do remember Bone being impressive for how totally complete it was from Issue #1. It was obviously drawn by a working animator because his art was always flawless and consistent. He had practiced, obviously, but also it seems he had WORKED, which was sort of the alternative to the millionaire 90s superstar superhero artists who, even with tracing and plagiarism, often still couldn't produce books on time.
    I also remember Bone being far from something "nobody wanted" since I couldn't get a copy of #1 until the 5th printing. It made covers of Diamond's distributor catalog, had a special issue included with Hero magazine, made every critic's top ten list, etc.
    If the Netflix thing had happened it could have been something everyone wanted. The potential for a high budget team lead by Jeff Smith would be something...Bone with Disenchantment's budget. That could truly be something great.

  • @markshulusky6680
    @markshulusky6680 Před měsícem +1

    In my dinky dink upstate New York area I remember the comic being popular from the start. I looked at it, saw Pogo (which was ok once) and never picked it up. Probably a mistake, considering what I was reading at the time, and that I still love the Disney Ducks to this day.

  • @johnboling7426
    @johnboling7426 Před měsícem +1

    Love Jeff smith's work

  • @ascorvinus
    @ascorvinus Před měsícem +2

    I jumped on at issue ten. I bet that was the first issue after an appearance in Wizard magazine.

    • @juniorjames7076
      @juniorjames7076 Před měsícem +2

      Damn, I miss Wizard magazine!!! Didn't every issue have a list on the back page of superhero movies in "pre-Production hell", with 80% never happening?

  • @UltraKlutzJeff
    @UltraKlutzJeff Před měsícem +1

    Fantastic! Thank you for all the knowledge I was unaware of before and after my exposure to Bone. The Hollywood optioning stuff hurts. I recall the Thompson’s were giving the first Cartoon Books series some good press in The Comics Buyer’s Guide early on. That fan paper’s readership was kind of waning at the time, but it was what got me to pick Bone up around issue five or so. When it started to take off around number eight (ie not losing money or breaking even), Cartoon Books were doing second printings of the first couple single issues before the first TPB to keep it alive on the racks. That was really unheard of for a self-publisher at the early 90s time of “Here Comes IMAGE.” That was so encouraging for everyone in the game at the time. PS - It is 106 degrees here today, but we do have AC. I hope you are cooling off up there. ; )

  • @larrydupp3988
    @larrydupp3988 Před měsícem

    I remember, I think it was around the pandemic? I reread Bone, all 9 books, and found them just as amazing as when I read them in the sunlight, listening to the same cicadas that Jeff Smith was likely listening as we're both ohioans. Wouldn't you know it, the time I chose to reread was right on the eve of Bones 20th anniversary! Im planning on giving it another reread, one of my favorite book series ever written calls again.

  • @Kobe.T
    @Kobe.T Před měsícem

    I love Bone so much. I read it as a kid and am always delight by how good it is when returning to it. I’m still hoping for a tv or film adaptation although realistically the comic is all that has ever been needed.
    I read some of the Quest for the Spark books but didn’t like them as much, probably because they strayed from the comic format

  • @DeathAlchemist
    @DeathAlchemist Před měsícem

    This one of the most recurring books at the scholastic book fair😊

  • @mcurran6505
    @mcurran6505 Před měsícem

    I'm still hoping that one day, Bone will finally get a long-awaited animated adaptation.

  • @VooshSpokesman
    @VooshSpokesman Před 21 dnem +1

    Love from a NerdSync and Vaush fan!

  • @Kyndurr01
    @Kyndurr01 Před měsícem +1

    I was hoping you'd get around to a video on Bone

  • @BarbarosaAlexander
    @BarbarosaAlexander Před měsícem

    I think I shall give Bone a read. Thanks for the recommendation.

  • @RPRsChannel
    @RPRsChannel Před měsícem +1

    ---> *_Jeff Smith reported summer of the same year that Netflix cancelled BONE that all was well and it was going to be great....?_*
    *_You forgot 1 piece of media; the two BONE video games:_*
    _"The Bone games were two games released by Telltale Games (for PC) and Vanbrio Entertainment (for Mac). The first game was Out From Boneville, released in February 22, 2005 and the second game was The Great Cow Race, released April 12, 2006. Telltale Games has suspended any further development of the Bone game series."_
    Edit: I had to remove the CZcams link or the comment would not post(??).

  • @noneofyourbusiness4616
    @noneofyourbusiness4616 Před měsícem +1

    I guess I was unusually hip, buying the first issue when it came out.

  • @minespatch
    @minespatch Před měsícem +1

    I first came in contact with it due to Disney Adventures. The version from Disney adventures neutered it so the scholastic versions is nice.

  • @edatthegovernance
    @edatthegovernance Před měsícem +1

    That cow race based challenge smacks of, "the more legit stuff isn't landing... let's see if Crazy Ted's mutterings can help."

  • @larrydupp3988
    @larrydupp3988 Před měsícem

    Theres an important, (well maybe not to bone but definitely to games as we know them) piece of history for Bone, and that would be "Bone: Out From Boneville", by Telltale. It was an adaptation of the titular book, and was Telltales first adventure game after a computerized version of Texas Holdem. Given that Telltale ended up becoming one of the biggest influences in Video Games and their story telling, I think its a very important if ultimately coincidental piece of lore that Bone was inadvertently responsible for changing the video games industry forever.

  • @dugonman8360
    @dugonman8360 Před měsícem

    Bone is in my mind eternally as one pf those 'Wizard' comics, alongside Spawn and Judge dredd, those comics that look amazing but you could never find.
    Later on I went and read a lot of those 'Wizard' comics and, while a lot dissapointed me, Bones one of the few that didn't.

  • @handlesshouldntdefaulttonames

    I saw it probably in 1996 or 1997 serialized in Archie Comics editions of Sonic the Hedgehog. The Rat Creatures from the panels stuck in my mind and I recognized it years later as an adult and got to get it. :)

  • @felya420
    @felya420 Před měsícem +1

    Thank you!!

  • @allenrubinstein3696
    @allenrubinstein3696 Před měsícem +1

    I caught up with Bone in trade paperbacks when the series was about half done, and adored it immediately, which is why the climactic chapter was such a crushing disappointment. I have never heard anyone properly address, much less explain this. He has to touch the Crown of Horns? It's never introduced or developed as a story element--what it is, why it exists or how it works. Then it turns out to be a wall. There's no puzzle or obstacle. He only needs to touch the wall, and the villain and his (her?) villainous plans crumble. Oh. It's a bad guy beating wall. Those do come in handy.
    It's the most perplexing, out of nowhere conclusion that doesn't seem to relate to any character growth or even presenting them with much of a challenge. Did Smith just get stuck or something? It reads as if the cast just shrugs their shoulders and walks off stage. Even more confusing is that nobody else but me seems to have a problem with it as the anti-climax of a 1,400 page epic graphic novel.

  • @ericwinters1513
    @ericwinters1513 Před měsícem

    I had a subscription to the books early on and got a Christmas card signed by Smith, which I still have.

  • @barryvercueil2346
    @barryvercueil2346 Před měsícem +1

    Good video. I loved Bone. Didn't know the history. Cheers

  • @tompuce84
    @tompuce84 Před měsícem +1

    Love the show!!

  • @CapitalDOOM
    @CapitalDOOM Před měsícem +1

    Love the spoiler warning. Great video as always.

  • @NemesisMvC
    @NemesisMvC Před měsícem

    one of your best episodes!

  • @theplatitudefromouterspace1686

    Oooh cool. Do a vid on The Goon.

  • @hailkingrex
    @hailkingrex Před měsícem +1

    Bone is one of my earliest comic loves. It's an unbearably unsung fantasy adventure

  • @bengtstrand4476
    @bengtstrand4476 Před měsícem

    I have the massive brick that is the BW complete collection and I love it. The coloured panels used to illustrate the video look strange to me since I'm so used to the clean BW art.

  • @TheBeird
    @TheBeird Před měsícem

    I may check this out! Looks fun

  • @erdood3235
    @erdood3235 Před měsícem

    Holy shit art spigelmen raised up bone to mainstream success!
    I first encountered bone as a child, I'm was born in 1998 and grew up in Israel, in it's graphic novel form.
    As a child i never finished the series, i don't know why. I just never read past at maximum some of the first books.
    I've corrected that in 2022 i think.

  • @espyname1977
    @espyname1977 Před měsícem

    I'm surprised you didn't mention that the Disney Adventures books had reprinted this comic back in the 90's
    I've met several people who first heard of it from there

  • @johnsonbenjamin887
    @johnsonbenjamin887 Před měsícem +1

    Great video as always !

  • @thorandodin621
    @thorandodin621 Před měsícem

    Thank you!

  • @tnaoro
    @tnaoro Před měsícem +1

    11:17 no spoilers!

  • @Thenameless1
    @Thenameless1 Před měsícem +2

    14:20 Guessing you meant 1998?

  • @patrickhouchard5532
    @patrickhouchard5532 Před měsícem +1

    Good!

  • @tracyndiyob162
    @tracyndiyob162 Před měsícem

    absolutely love the bone comics as my favorite comic series as i loved the characters(the bone cousins,thorn especially,grandma ben/lucius,the hooded one,rock jaw basically being how i'd imagine kh would handle shere khan,the great red dragon,the possum kids though i wish we saw them after the mountain blew up,ted bonus for being named after by bro. & the 2 stupid stupid rat creatures.:3) feeling like a mix between disney(the bone cousins do have mickey mouse,donald duck/scrooge mcduck tagging along & goofy vibes,definitely get phoney inspiration from grunkle stan in gravity falls that if it got into kingdom hearts could see the villains/maleficent going after him in a similar way to the hooded one going after phoney from one of his schemes getting him involved.)/popeye(grandma ben was basically a female version of him that tbh thought was more badass.)
    alongside ed,edd n eddy/the peanuts/garfield & pogo(at times when watching the specials imagined the bone characters in their roles.)/lil abner(another series i wish got a full animated series outside shorts.) ,story(if anything wish kh went into a direction closer to this for it's story.) & world(remember the locations so well.) that i read so much as a teenager.(being my comic version of my love of one piece with how both their endings were done early.)
    really wish the pc games from telltale based off it had continued with what happens later on/still heartbreakingly stings as much as megaman legends 3 the cancellation of the netflix series as bone deserves all the love it gets as it's one of a kind.

  • @adamolsen838
    @adamolsen838 Před měsícem +1

    I love bone im Reading vol 3

  • @ctbinary42
    @ctbinary42 Před měsícem +1

    This and Usagi Yojimbo are my all time favorite comics. There are so many levels they can be enjoyed at

  • @shidiwen9329
    @shidiwen9329 Před měsícem +1

    Lightning in a bottle. The Wayne Gretzky of copies printed and reprinted.

  • @jayfolk
    @jayfolk Před měsícem +1

    Toon comic meets detailed dark fantasy comic.

  • @bizarregold4515
    @bizarregold4515 Před měsícem +1

    I know this o- I KNOW THIS ONE

  • @Archeopteryxman421
    @Archeopteryxman421 Před měsícem +1

    Small error in 14:19 I think you meant 1998

  • @TitularHeroine
    @TitularHeroine Před měsícem

    I rewound the cow race scenes here a few times. That's so good, heeheehee. Is it being "politically, racially, or socially offensive" to do with The Running of the Bulls in Pamplona? Had not yet even heard that though I'm honestly not surprised at this point.
    I dont suppose there'd be any interest in covering Snarfquest?
    As always -- uncountable thanks. I love how eclectic the range of this channel is. Stay safe and healthy and all the things. :)

  • @peterlinfield
    @peterlinfield Před měsícem +2

    I feel like I'm the only comics fan that didn't love Bone. I'm glad Smith was so successful, and I can appreciate the quality of his cartooning, but it just didn't resonate with me. Heresy to many!

    • @kojo7485
      @kojo7485 Před měsícem +1

      It's not my thing 😕 but I appreciate 🙏 😌 ❤️ and 🇺🇸 🗽 🎆 🇺🇲 I am glad for It's success 😊 ☺️ 🙏 ❤️

  • @3L_B4R7O
    @3L_B4R7O Před měsícem

    The comic series is also available in German libraries, if my old brain still remembers correctly.

  • @MegaFROMOUTERSPACE
    @MegaFROMOUTERSPACE Před měsícem

    Commentary for the algorithm.

  • @d-manthecaptain1382
    @d-manthecaptain1382 Před 3 dny

    I noticed you sounded a tad dismissive of The Smurfs, implying they were something akin to carebears, or at least that the series was made up of gag-a-day fair, with no adventure stories. I admit, I’m no Smurfs expert, any more than I’m an expert on any old thing, however, I have read some of the early stories. Because of this, I highly recommend seeking out the story known as King Smurf (Also known in French as Le Schtroumpfissime, and in Dutch as The Smurführer because I guess they really really didn't want anybody missing the point). It’s a story where their leader, Papa Smurf leaves, and one of them rechristens himself as King Smurf, hoping to become their leader during his absence, only to slip into becoming a tyrant. The Smurfs were every bit as capable of decent length comedy adventures of Scrooge McDuck. and the like. You might even notice a sense of rhythm not dissimilar to Bone itself.

  • @RallyTheTally
    @RallyTheTally Před měsícem

    I always hate it how whenever there's a graphic novel or comic that's good, people think it HAS to be adapted. Getting a movie or TV series does not make a comic 'valid' as a work of art.

  • @turtleanton6539
    @turtleanton6539 Před měsícem

    Yes😊

  • @CappyLarou
    @CappyLarou Před měsícem

    why does no one ever talk about Poison Elves? I have a friend who used to obsessed with that comic.
    EDIT: looks like you did one too...thanks

  • @GeahkBurchill
    @GeahkBurchill Před měsícem

    I was the *_worst_* kind of Bone reader, the kind that read it in the comic shop, but didn’t buy it!
    Comic Relief (Berkeley, Ca.) let me do it because I was a pretty good customer. I bought _other stuff_ just not Bone.
    Oof, if I’d known in ‘93 that Bone was struggling I woulda bought it! I had no idea sales were that low at the time.