Believe it or not, I'm feeling pretty positive about Denis Villeneuve's upcoming Dune adaptation. Join me as I share my thoughts on the Dune franchise, and what my hopes for this movie.
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It's Game of Thrones in space. I think Dune was the blueprint carbon copy model for Martin. That's okay by me, the history of Sci Fi/Fantasy has ''borrowing'' stamped across its forehead. For me it's more like building on previous brilliance rather than stealing. It might be fun to do a mini research effort comparing the two and uncovering the similarities. We can start with Duke Leto of House Atreides being backstabbed and murdered by another powerful House alongside Lord Eddard of House Stark being backstabbed and murdered by another powerful House. How about Paul Atreides --> Kwisatz Hadderach as messiah and Jon Snow --> the Prince who was Promised as messiah.
they aren't going to stay faithful the whole way through they have said it themselves and that isn't a bad thing as movies always will innovate new things from their source material they do however, need to stay faithful to the overall story and atmosphere, characters and such, you know the things that make dune... well... dune I say this after only realizing a few years ago how amazing the books are
Speaking of that - the Bene Jesuit being incredibly powerful and clever, and Paul's love interest being incredibly powerful and clever ***IS*** faithful to the source material. For someone who laments that Hollywood frames every issue through their own personal axes to grind - you sure do frame every issue through your own personal axes to grind.
@@karencoyle3011 You're full of shit, honey. Paul's love interest is not 'incredibly powerful and clever' in the original source material. For someone talking like she knows what she's talking about, you sure sound like someone who couldn't find their way out of an empty room with a single door.
The first Dune novel already had Jessica besting Stilgar, the Alpha of his Fremen tribe, in like five seconds when she and Paul were found by the Fremen. Herbert knew how to build strong Female characters. Even a bookworm bimbo like Irulan had her share of badassery, while still allowing herself to share the same fears and ambitions that a woman in her position would feel.
I feel bad for people who's reaction to the work of art that Dune is - is boredom. I wasn't bored even for one minute in those two and a half hours. I enjoyed it immensely . Note: some things take time and Villeneuve understand this.
I never read the books but I loved the movie. I hope it doesn’t get the “Dredd” treatment where everyone liked it but it wasn’t financially successful so we never get a follow up.
@@Natalie-uc1kj i'm a "Marvel fan", meaning - i enjoy their movies and have seen almost all of them, except for Captain Marvel ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). It's just that i know why i watch Marvel movies (and what to expect from them), and why i watch something like Villeneuve's work (and what to expect from it).
@@rosss7007 yeah, same. But hopes are high for this one. Especially when Denis himself have talked about part two and WB has hinted at possibility of it. They haven't officially greenlighted it yet, but i'm pretty optimistic they will. Let's just say, if they don't - it will the biggest shame in recent cinema history...
Saw it a couple of days ago, and it was a promising start. Spectacular effects, great cast, solid acting, a very fitting soundtrack, no obvious political correctness as of yet. Look forward to a sequel.
@@Peterviegal Well, they gender and race swap Liet Kynes to a black woman. Which made it all the more jarring because Kynes was meant to be Chani's father.
@@fluffythebunnyslayer20hahaha I noticed that too! Gender swapped, but also racially swapped, which was interesting because originally Dr. Kynes wanders off to the desert and dies with no still suit, but now that character is a woman of color, she goes from being a proper dignitary to a girl boss, waited on hand and foot, a freedom fighter and gets a hero's death all of a sudden. Interesting change of events, that.
The Critical Drinker: "At least unlike Disney's Star Wars, this series won't take it's hero and turn him into a bitter old hermit who has turned against everything he used to believe in..." Dune Fans: "Uhhhhhh...... yeahh......"
@@TheVagabond627 Given i do know fuck all about dune, care to explain, 'cuz if this happens already in the cannon then i don't think i wanna see the dollar store knock off they flunk out into modern cinema.
@@viniciussardenberg706 Book 4. There is a wandering hermit who has far too much knowledge. It is never overtly confirmed in text this was Paul returning from the wastes after the events of Book 2. But the governing theory, all but confirmed by external notes, is it was.
The thing about Dune is, it seems like every production is trying to master the visual and technical aspects of it, which admittedly are the cool parts, but if you don't understand the subtle nuances that are the real meat and potatoes of the story, it doesn't matter how pretty it looks.
exactly - the 80s film really tried to capture the inner thoughts / unspoken dialogue, to show the machinations and political plottings going on behind the words that are actually spoken. Unfortunately, it focused too much on giving us EVERY thought, instead of following the "show, don't tell" rule of moviemaking.
@@arthurhenriqueguimaraes4969 I think you have to read more of Frank Herbert than dune to really get what he was trying to accomplish. None of his other books came close to the original dune, but he tried to do similar things, and the fact he was less successful in his other books makes it more obvious the tricks he was using in that one.
I had no single idea of the previous dune film nor the book but oh my i watched it in IMAX yesterday and it was phenomenal. It’s epic and visually stunning of a half complete story. Once again Denis Villeneuve and Warner Bros present an amazing film. It’s my best film of 2021 so far. Can’t wait for second installment and yeah WB have basically confirmed the second part. Zendeya was the weakest by far probably cause she has only 6 min scene, but the rest of the cast were very good.
You should read the books. The film was very faithful, and if you enjoyed it, you'll get a lot more out of it by reading the books. You can always stop reading halfway through the first one if you want to wait for Part Two, but they didn't reorder anything and you won't spoil yourself doing that. What you will get is a much deeper appreciation for the politics, technology, and characters, which you only got the cliff's notes version of.
The movie is out here for me, and I caught it in theatres. An excellent adaptation, choosing very well how to adapt the density of the novel while preserving a good pace throughout. Visually stunning and acting very on point, it's a faithful big screen adaptation that gives me a lot of hope for a possible sequel
It most likely is. On the other hand "Arrival" did pretty well despite being not so faithful to the source material. So, I don't know... but I'm less optimistic than Drinker here.
My mother was a Star Wars fan, I took her to see the last 3, she is no longer a Star Wars fan. My mother was a rom com fan, I took her to see a few rom coms, she is no longer a rom com fan. My mother was an MCU fan, I watched BW with her, she is no longer a Marvel fan. She has multiple copies of the Dune series, the Lynch film on VHS and DVD, a copy of The Dune Encyclopedia signed by Frank Herbert himself...please, Hollywood, stop disappointing my mother.
No, it’s a subversion and evolution of the Messiah story arc. It greatly benefitted the Fremen to follow Paul, and his son Leto II put humanity on the path to its evolution.
@@Ammoniumbicarbonat That's highly debatable since the books were never finished. Leto II isn't exactly a reliable POV. If anything, things seemed to get worse for humanity by Chapterhouse.
@@erubin100 They weren't worse. Leto II actually prevented humanity from being wiped out (or re-enslaved)....at least according to him. He was holding off that threat while he improved humans enough to fight/evade the threat.
@@nicholasleclerc1583 So your thesis is that the golden path was all Leto's (and Paul's) delusion to justify their evils? I don't buy it. I think I recall hearing Herbert suggested something to this effect, but since nothing in the books hints at it, I'd say Herbert was just trying to mitigate accusations of glamorizing unpopular ideologies.
Watched it 2 days ago and I can describe it with just one word... Spectacular. Visually everything looks stunning. Acting is solid, previously I've never been a fan of Timothy Chalamet, but his acting was pretty good. Sound and music was... completely out of this world, it felt so alien, it was so great. Don't know what else to add
@@jaswingnut With exception of soundtrack, most of things was. Though I'm still not convinced that superior components produced decisively superior product.
“I must not hype. Hype is the mind-killer. Hype is the little-death that brings total disappointment. I will ignore the hype. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the hype has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
Two classic things emerged from Dune: Tatooine in Star Wars, and "Dune II: The Building of a Dynasty" by Westwood Studios, a classic even legendary game that became the template for their own Command & Conquer they pushed out some 3 years later.
@@alclewley9309 I had it on the Amiga, the best computer of all time. Modern PCs have more power but the Amiga had the better OS. A modern-powered Amiga would be 10x better than anything we have today.
Other possible influences on Star Wars: the "ancient futuristic" vibe - protagonists with swords & knives in a spacefaring civilization, young hero ambivalently seeks forseight and super-human fighting skills enabled by an ancient quasi religious order that operates in a hightech society and also is one of the pillars of power, galaxy ruled by an evil emperor...
@@jamieK111 The Hero with a Thousand Faces was published 1949, Dune was published 1965. Herbert based Paul on 1000 Hero and Lucas based Luke on the same source material, hence the strikingly similar moral & plot journey.
After he reviews this movie, I'm preparing myself for The Drinker's ultra-depressed tone of voice when he says, "Anyway, that's all I've got for today. Go away now.".
@@Evghenios79 I want to be able to love the changes done to our franchises. That would be the easiest way out. But instead we all watch it burn because well... it is not what we want.
The good-movie-that-doesn't-break-into-the-mainstream route is the best possible one for Dune, given that being "mainstream" is an invitation to desecrate an IP.
The book is pretty clever. It is actually critical of the hero’s journey and warns us to ‘put not your trust in princes’. It’s almost like the author subverted our expectations
@Carl Stanford - ...I wouldn't know about your expectations about Dune, but I am not quite sure that the Story is not actually critical of princes. Kindly note how the novel ends with the Paul literally becoming the Messiahs.
@@andreasw.6425 Becoming the Messiah is the problem. "Dune was aimed at this whole idea of the infallible leader because my view of history says that mistakes made by a leader (or made in a leader's name) are amplified by the numbers who follow without question." - Frank Herbert
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t - ...in which case the intention of the author is somewhat subverted by the narrative, which expresses great admiration at the idea of power of a messianic being bringing salvation to not only a group of ppl but mankind as a whole. 😉
I think you might both be right. Dune is about a leader who is an _actual_ messianic leader, who really is superhuman. Without going too much into the further books, consider this: Paul outright resists the idea of becoming the Kwisatz Haderach because his imperfect prescience forsees in flashes what his leadership would unleash. Once 'awakenend' Paul takes on his messianic role, seeing no better option, fully aware of the horror that is to come. I think Herbert fully intended this: a leader with perfect prescience is a horrible concept, locking all of the galaxy along a single path with no escape. You can argue the ultimate tyranny is found at the end of Paul's heroic journey. And a little spoiler: it drives Paul mad in the end..... Perhaps trust our own decisions, instead of superhuman princes? Choice, excercising our own will, really does make us human...
4:53 - The first book in the Dune series is indeed simple & classic, following the classic hero's journey; however, holy moly, the arch over the first 4 novels is anything but simple. It really is a wonderful take on how messianic leaders, even with the noblest of intentions, are evolving beings with flaws. Herbert put it best: “I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." Truly a wonderful story.
Really by the second book "Messiah" it's pretty clear the story is actually an interesting and original deconstruction of a hero. Which makes it so much more interesting than any other story like this.
Indeed. Since by the second book, Paul has turned into a genocidal Alexander the Great, triggering a mix of seething fear, hatred and adoration across the galaxy after billions die in his Jihad.
As much as I enjoyed Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune were far more interesting, and come God Emperor of Dune, it's literally become a self fulfilling prophecy.
My concern is that the perception of Paul being some hero is going to impression upon viewers the false idea that this is what Dune is about. Hardly, Paul is where Anakin was given a lot of his inspiration. Paul Atredies is a cautionary tale just like the entire universe of Dune is. Hopefully the intent to warn against charismatic leaders is at least respected.
I think anyone who have to adapt the book had to realize the very in you face fact that the first 2 books are a tale of how dangerous charismatic leaders can be
I'm glad to see that others know what DUNE and its sequels are about, even if Hollywood doesn't. I doubt this movie will be true, but I'm curious enough to see it
I also think the critical drinker also misses this point with his remarks on Chani. I think people are way to worried. Denis is a big fan of the series and I bet will serve an amazing movie.
@@mr.treefrog8641 I do have the same feeling, so far everything seen from the movie looks in line with the theme of the books. A couple of additions are expected to make an interesting adaptation, like the Gurney Halleck joke and streamlining some stuff. But I'm really hoping the movie is a success so we can finally get God-Emperor on the big screen, Leto II is such a brilliant character and the mini series stopped at Children of Dune.
I'm so glad you mentioned Children of Dune positively. I remember watching that in the early 2000s thinking "this is gonna suck" then it was pretty good and I was surprised. Most people forget about CoD when talking about the Dune franchise.
Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are tough reads, especially for a younger audience. I was just old enough to hang through the classic Hero's Journey in the first book. You really have to dig deep to appreciate the later books, although after God Emperor, they become more formulaic and accessible, even for readers who don't pick up on the continuing themes.
@@chasepeterson8789 body shields create a nuclear reaction when hit with laser weapons. Blades are slower, and can pass thru. Kinetic projectiles also tend to bounce off.
@@chasepeterson8789 They have personal shields that stop fast moving objects like bullets and that reacts to lasers by exploding like a nuke. Basically, if you want to kill someone, you have to get used to stabbing them at the right speed through the shield. If you shoot a laser, you will be too close to the blast, and bullets are no good.
@@chasepeterson8789 because they have shields. Essentially force fields which will deflect objects traveling past a certain velocity. So a projectile will bounce off because it is traveling to fast but a times slower thrust of a sword or kinja will penatrate the feild.
Zendaya’s MJ in the first Spider-Man movie may have come off as a bit unrealistic to those who are unfamiliar of the Gen-Z generation - but as someone who has several Gen-Z siblings and taught several Gen-Z students, she actually captures the zeitgeist very well. It’s hard to quantify, but it’s a personality tonal shift between generations. I have known several Gen-Z kids act awkward like MJ until they felt comfortable enough to open up. Their memes are super weird too. So don’t give up on Zendaya as an actress just yet! 👍
I think whoever's in charge of marketing the film is aware of the potential lack of mass appeal, which why the trailers are so focused on action and spectacle (with a little humour thrown in). Whether the movie itself leans in that direction remains to be seen, but it's worth remembering that they're planning to tell the story over two films, so they'll want to make sure people come back for the second one.
That and the use of the Pink Floyd song "Eclipse" from "Dark Side of the Moon" (which was a really great choice, actually, considering the song's lyrics and how they mesh with the story)
Yeah, the trailers make it look like Mazerunner 12 - just YA garbage. I really hope it's just studio marketing and the movie itself is far more mature and mythical.
I think Herbert did a really good job actually at capturing what "female power" could look like, the Bene Gesserit are legit badasses and they wield their power and influence in a totally plausible way. Especially as the series goes on, I feel like the BG are a perfect example of how to do "strong female characters", while still allowing them to be flawed. The 2nd Dune book is also a really interesting take down of the generic "Hero's Journey" and casts the events of the 1st book in a different light. The later Dune books continue to REALLY shake things up too.
Will lay a bet that chiani and Paul's first interaction is going to be her knocking him on his ar*e...its practically a rule of screenwriting these days.
Too true, man. "Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely." This rule never changes, regardless of your genitals. People who believe women are more inclined to peace need to acquaint themselves with Queen Elizabeth I, Catherine the Great, Giulia Tofana, Lucrezia Borgia, Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi and Margaret Thatcher.
I'd love to have seen someone like Heath Ledger play Duncan Idaho. You start out thinking he's just another pretty boy, but he develops more depth and range as the films go on.
As much as I like Mamoa he's the worst pick of the cast for me, doesn't fit the character at all, and in the second trailer the moment where he jokes with Paul about his size is just painful to watch as it's just so far off the mark compared to the tone of the books. In isolation I think it will be great, as an adaptation it's probably going to blow. Really looking forward to Stellan SKarsgaard as the Baron, if he gets it right he'll steal the show. Not at all looking forward to Duncan Idahbro.
No one has even attempted to go beyond the 3rd book... The scifi series covered the first 2 books and dabbled in the 3rd I believe. But we don't see Leto II and his golden path
Well... Just seen the movie and I am not disappointed. I feel like they caught the atmosphere of the book very well? Sound design, costumes, actors (mostly), special effects and just basically all of the visuals were amazing. First franchise in years I actually feel excited and hopeful about.
@@jr2904 the point was that the Bene Gesserit were behind in the shadows, and are the cause of almost all that happens even if uncredited. By genderbending characters to add more women the point of the Bene Gesserit is lost.
@@jr2904 Ah, yes. Bene Gesserit, machiavellian all-female conspiracy where older members exploit their younger subordinates and practically sell them to male nobles as sex objects and for breeding. Great feminist model you there...
I was thrilled when I see the first trailer, thinking that even if it isn't financially successful, it will be amazing and hopefully good. However, then I learned that it will only cover the first half of the book. Knowing that it is highly unlikely that it is a financial success, we will most likely only get half of a Dune film and never see the second half filmed.
"So the first thing was to prove that there was a beautiful, popular movie that can exist, and I think that I proved that - everybody at Warner Bros and Legendary, they are 100 percent behind the project. They feel that it would need a really bad outcome at the box office to not have a Dune: Part Two, because they love the movie. They are proud of the movie, so they want the movie to move forward. And they still did half of it. So, you know, I’m very optimistic." Denis Villeneuve
One could also look at the first book being divided into two parts positively, because the whole story does not need to be condensed into roughly 150 minutes.
Just got home from the theaters after watching this movie. It was simply a treat to watch. I've no idea about the source material but I'm going to check it out soon. The books are almost always better than its adaptation no matter how good it might be. Can't wait for the sequels and hoping that it wouldn't tank!
@@Deridus In reference to the "stay faithful" part. I just think it's funny that people are hoping for something to stay faithful to the source material when Christianity isn't even faithful to it's source material anymore.
@@theobserver6579 Still true. And still very off topic. I can see the connection, but don't allow yourself to become Churchill's version of a fanatic: some who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
I think the David Lynch film gets a bad rap to be honest. I remember seeing it as a kid and thinking it was the most awful thing ever, but after I read the books in my early teens revisiting the film it’s impressive how closely Lynch sticks to the narrative and creates a weird and interesting universe for his adaptation. Considering how difficult a series Dune is to adapt, I don’t think he did a half bad job.
The drinker endorsing the New Dune is the Drinker endorsing the racial eradication of white cast members from no longer white owned Hollywood . I'm seriously disappointed in drinker for being positive about this racist awful upcoming cultural appropriation flick. ps: Don't be antisemitic by falsely claiming that the new lead is white.
I am excited to see the four hour version, because that's where most of the narrative is. To me the original cut was rushed and it didn't give much to the character development. Would you recommend the four hour version over the original?
@@Havanu81 Dune was a celebration of European cultures and peoples set among the stars. The infiltration of Hollywood which is non-white owned has seen this culture appropriated to the point were white men are a minority among such new movies as this Dune. Its racism, its extremism, and its an evil vile act.
I still feel like Dune should have been done like Game of Thrones (1st season) a 10 hour miniseries with a healthy budget would really do it justice. Even these two films may not have enough time to tell the entirety of the story.
It was the director Dennis Vilenuve who pushed to get it made, and he is a movie director. Nobody else would touch the IP so we are lucky we are even getting a movie.
A lead actresses calling a book "sexist", that she hasn't read and in which an all female organization literarily rules the universe in secret, doesn't help my blood pressure at all. But I keep hoping the relevant people knew what they were doing.
Who’s calling it sexist? How infuriating. The Bene Gesserit are badasses, especially Lady Jessica. Chiani is a capable fighter, but has her moments of tenderness and vulnerability. You can see why Paul fell in love with her. She really needs to read Dune.
@@reikun86 czcams.com/video/VHi8PxxG8Zs/video.html I added a start-time, but I recommend watching the whole thing. Good video about it: czcams.com/video/eD_3bgPGcQ8/video.html
Not too mention the reason the floating fat man can't walk anymore . Sexist? How do people like this actually survive? Definitely a Darwin award candidate. 👏
"On the other hand, when I was casting the character of Chani, I met a lot of actresses. Zendaya wanted to audition and now, after shooting the film and seeing what a great actress she is, I regret having her audition, just because I didn’t know her. However that day, she impressed me and when she walked out of the studio I knew that Chani was her, the young desert tiger. I’m honored to present two such explosive talents on screen and I can’t wait to shoot the second part of Dune to have them back together. Knowing that in the next chapter, Zendaya will be the protagonist of the story." -Denis Villeneuve, speaking to la Repubblica. worrying at first glance..
Personally, I loved the Lynch version. In this day and age where there is zero mystery or escapism and movie trailers give away the entire plot and all of the twists in 3 minutes, Lynch's Dune felt so weird and foreign that, despite it's shortcomings, the movie stuck with me and kind of gave me that feeling you get as a kid seeing something new for the first time. For that alone I consider Lynch's movie to be better than a great deal of others. I don't watch a movie or play a game to just see and hear all the same crap I've seen and heard before. Nothing wrong with taking risks, even if they sometimes fail. The reason movies/games/music sucks so ridiculously hard now is everyone's so afraid of being 'cringe' or whatever that no one tries anything interesting anymore.
Only 8? From where are you? I saw the movie in France in Original version with french subtitles and the theater was FULL, like, no room at all, and that was 1 week after its initial release in France.
@@drakan5468 And when did you see the movie? Was it like 2 weeks after release in a very small movie theater in a small town? Or was it practically at the release date in a big movie theater? I am asking because I wonder how there could have been so few watching where you are from when everywhere I go it's hard getting a nice seat
I'm not holding my breath on this. So many IPs have been utterly destroyed by modern Hollywood. Let's say I won't be putting any money down on this until I see some trustworthy reviews come in.
The style of Lynch's Dune combined with the storytelling of the Syfy miniseries would be a winning formula. Not a big fan of Lynch's work, but his visual style for the movie worked really well, in my opinion. So well, that it was implemented beautifully in the Westwood Studio games, particularly Dune 2000 (with John Rhys Davies as a mentat!)
Yes and no. I'm still not in love with the floating baron. He has anti-gravity devices called suspensors to help him walk. He doesn't float. Why do all adaptations incist on him floating? (He only does so when hit with the needle by alia). Couple with that with some bizarre Lynchian choices (the Harkonnen's need to milk cats and crush rats into drinks to show they're evil?). And the style of the Harkonnens (weird haircuts for the sake of weird, Sting in a speedo)... make for a movie that's kind of stylistically all over the place. The Stillsuits and the Bene Gesserit were visually *mwah*. It's just a really mixed bag.
I could see Alia in her late teens as protagonist, like in the Dune mini-series. But Chani as lovely as she is, has no real depth as character besides being Pauls woman tbh.
@@hamzauzumaki yeah I wouldn't mind an expansion of Chani's character but making her the whole protagonist? No. That's just placating the age we live in.
Having read the books as a young teen I have always loved Dune. I don't have a lot of Expectations of Hollywood today but I sure would love to see this incredible story presented the way it should be. Looking forward to seeing it, one way or another
I just saw the movie. I'm sober. I enjoyed it. Denis kept me captivated throughout the movie. The Hans Zimmer did not disappoint; his other worldly score was spot on. IMHO, the acting was outstanding in all cases.
I read earlier that the Director or whoever announced Zendaya is supposed to be the protagonist of the movie... I was already barely down for a Dune remake now even less so.
Im sure there will be a lot right about the movie but why change the character focus? Probably because if they didnt the mainstream would criticize the movie for having a white male protagonist... whatever hollywood!
Watching the Lynch version as a kid in the late 80s, early 90s is what got me to read the book. Despite its flaws, that film will always have a place in my heart.
It was very beutiful. My uncle is a assistant director. He generally makes adds but for a short time he was on Game of Thrones. He tild that for the last 20 years he hasn't seen a movie that beautifuly directed . It was worth it to see it on the big screen.
"All it really needs to do to be a succes is staying faithfull to the source material" yeah they should but it's 2021 Hollywood so you'll know they're not gonna.....💔
I read 6 Dune books when I was in high school. I understand some of the disappointment with the Lynch movie, but I can't understand the hate. I liked it when I saw it at the theater and I still like it today. Remember, "Fear is the mind killer" and "Long live the Fighters!"
@@sirrathersplendid4825 It was like a middle movie of a trilogy that had skipped forward too many years. It was too watered down for the fans of the book but too complex for those who hade t read it. You end up with a space Odyssey 2001 situation.
Yup. It does not lend itself to a movie. Book one should take about 14 hours minimum on film, and book one isn't enough. You need to film through God Emperor, then you can quit. They filmed HALF of book one? And they're releasing it in Hollyweird's post-apocalypse period? DISASTER.
Absolutely. Anybody talking like there can be any completely-representative film treatment of it is only telling me how much they missed in the book. I'm prepared to be grateful for any attempt which at least doesn't grotesquely contradict core elements like Lynch's butchery did.
This movie was pretty damn good. I hope the movie doesn´t tank, and the sequel doesn´t get made. If the sequel ends up being made and is of this quality, this will be a great film series.
I've seen it yesterday, and indeed I hope it will succeed and they make the others parts just as this one. It's believable, slow paced with attention to detail, hopefully those things won't hurt the sequels because most people now have a attention span for 5 seconds, and everything has to be flashy over the top simplified action.
@@scratastic1 I read that some people found it boring and too slow and I just realized they must be the chaps from tik tok, because not for 1 second did I find it boring or slow. For me twas an exciting journey through arrakis
My real worries are about the second movie with the recent word that it will be centered on Chani. She was a main character but not the central figure in the second half of the book.
Well a lot of the second book (actually all the books) is/are internalised thought. This makes it challenging to bring from the page to the screen. I guess one way to approach this problem is to use a central POV character as an observer/narrator which I suspect is how Denis may use Chani in part 2. Clearly Paul is the most important character in the novel but he doesn't necessarily need to be the protagonist. I am open minded about this. I just want to see this part first :)
Hope inspiring signs: - Decent budget and studio support. - Incredible source material. - Dedicated, artistic non-hack director who seems to love the source material. - Some amazing casting, i.e. Stellan Skarsgård as the Baron. Warning Signs: - Rebecca Ferguson never having read the books, but publicly stating they're sexist (she is so clueless). - Zendaya being made the "protagonist" for Part 2. - Gender swap Liet Kynes. Conclusion: mixed bag, could go either way.
@@ThePapaVader I agree. I am ready to walk out of the theater yelling FUCK THIS WOKE SHIT as soon I see the first WOKE FEMALE WARRIOR RIDING A WOKE WORM as she takes on the Galactic Patriarchy. 😑
That’s some big big big red flags like if we want a good movie, we cannot have ANY SJW nonsense within 10km of the studios or else the chance of fuckup skyrockets to near 90%
Wait Ferguson said the books were sexist? Look I don’t know much about Dune, but I’m pretty sure she’s just saying that for the purpose of being “politically correct”.
Soooo .... I flew to America and back to watch this movie yesterday ... ☠☠ .... and I have to say I have hope as well .... Tim boy does a great job of transforming through the movie, Josh is amazing of course, even Jason does a pretty bloody good job. The movie looks amazing and the soundtrack is incredible. Really looking forward to second movie.
By far the best movie I've seen in a while. Just watched it, absloulty fantastic, restored my faith that Hollywood isn't lost to the sludge being produced by the Streamers. It's a bonified "Epic"
There was a time in 2012 where though we're Marvel and other movies we're getting it so right by staying faithful I was so hopeful for the future of movies. But now they're so mired in politics and all the good writers are staying away I think that that I am as exactly unhopeful now as I was hopeful in 2012.
I saw a headline stating that the director was making Chani the main character of the series. I hope this isn’t the case. This would poison the whole thing for me. Bending the knee like this at the expense of such a classic sci-fi story is beyond sad.
After I saw your post, I searched the web, and was at first disappointed.. Most sites reported this, and forgot about it.. But only CNET of all the 3 sites I found had an update. It switches so she is lead female protagonist. blaming a French to English translation error on the first reporting... Heres to hoping.. Although there are million other ways modern Hollywood can F this movie up. :)
This is the reason I have no interest in seeing this movie. When was the last time Hollyweird re-booted a movie that turned out to be any good or better than the original?
Was there on the premier (Eastern Europe, we've had it earlier). One should see it at cinema for sure, and it's good. Many details where cut down but it still really good and atmospheric movie quite up to the original story. And there should be a second part, which highly depends on the box office. So please go and see it yourself!
I'll always remember Dune 2000 for the simple fact that the concept of an AI in the game was spawning the enemy with a ton of troops right from the start and just periodically send an increasingly strong portion of them to attack the player.
I loved Jason Momoa as Duncan in Dune. He was exactly the kind of personality I imagined when reading the book. They didn't include his big drunken scene from the books into the movie, but reading that and then hearing he was cast as that character, I could see him pulling that scene off.
Oh my, I guess this was recorded before the recent interview with Villeneuve where he says he's really looking forward to the second movie. Where Chani will take the lead role. I wonder where this is going... "Denis Villeneuve’s long-awaited sci-fi saga Dune is yet to hit cinemas, but he’s already teasing details from the follow-up, which the director says will shift focus to Zendaya’s character, Chani." .. Oh no! *Strong female character intensifies*
The second and third "books" of the hard-covered Dune novel I bought in the late 90s is covered in powdered cinnamon, I love this story so. I love it how Stilgar welcomes death if it means a better leader for his people, though Usul be wiser... gods, I hope they don't fuck it up, but if they do, we still have the novel. nothing short of death can take that from us.
Hmm... I wouldn't be so sure about that last part. At this point I can easily envision the powers-that-be banning books they don't like... possibly as a form of Hate-speech™
Yeah Stewart was great. The casting that worries me zendaya as chani. Oh my god I hope she doesnt ruin it with her sjws bullshit. I'm also worried there gonna focus more on her and less on paul
@@johnspencer3994 Patrick Stewart performance as Xavier in Logan wasn't pompous, overacted or asshatted in any manner of means. He created quite a pathos for his character. Besides any wealthy gentleman geezer that downs a shoey on the public stage can't be half bad eh?.
I wanted to see an ugly lump of a man as Gurney Halleck. Somebody with a nasty inkvine scar, busted nose and cauliflower ears, like a light-heavyweight MMA fighter, with the soul of a poet. Didn't like the casting choice of Stewart.
Spot on about Momoa- he described Duncan as ‘Han soloesque’. Idaho- the most faithful and loyal warrior that brought Leto 2 to clone him again and again. He couldn’t be more the polar opposite of Han, the self serving smuggler even if he did have a conscience. Sci fi to Momoa is Star Wars- that’s it The thoughtful sword master of Ginaz- who is far more than just a warrior- they were masters of warfare in all its forms- tactics, psychological warfare- you name it- they were described as ‘philosophers’ And sorry- If we ever get to Godemperor. No way Momoa can play the foil to Leto 2. “Right on My big worm!”
I'd strongly disagree that Paul is a "classical hero". The story is of a classical hero, yes, but not the character himself. It was exactly Herbert's idea to show how leader-heroes stereotypes are made and how dangerous they are as a concept, when the real personality gets disconnected from the mythical persona created by others. Paul becomes a figurehead for a bloody universe-wide catastrophe he is unable to stop. But he himself definitely isn't just a "freedom fighter" hardened by loss, necessity and revenge. He's also not exactly a messianic figure (well, he is for the fremen of course), he is knowingly exploiting eons of religious preparation laid down by the Bene Gesserit agents among Fremen. He is aware all the time that he is doing exactly that. And in fact, at the end of the first third of the book he, strictly speaking, stops being human in a conventional sense of the word, gaining ancestral memory of millions of his genetical predecessors and an ability to (vaguely at first) see the future through a combination of mentat calculation and spice influence. It is this transformation exactly that I am afraid Chalamet might not be up to the challenge to portray. The awakening of his superhuman abilities a) makes him in some sense millions of years old through experience and memories of others. b) embitters him and makes him cynical and calculating (which only gets worse with further hardships and tragedies) also because he realizes that his life is not his own anymore no matter what he will choose. It is an extremely difficult role to play (and one I believe Alec Newman came rather close to playing perfectly). Chani is already very worrying even in trailers. Like in the last one she delivers something like "they ravage our lands", which obviously makes no sense at all. What did Harkonnens "ravage", the sand?? They didn't even realize how many fremen there actually were, and while they killed some and made their lives harder and fremen hated the Harkonnens, fremen were always in complete control of the deep desert. Everyone completely underestimated their numbers, influence and capabilities, they weren't victims, but that's how it sounds from the trailer. Fremen weren't some kind of oppressed miserable people, they were vengeful, ruthless, dogmatic, xenophobic and later - religious fanatics, but I'm afraid that the modern-day Hollywood is going to turn that into "The Message".
The book Chani was also pretty strong, pretty independent (untill 'marriage', at least) and pretty. What we've seen in the trailers still leaves hope for a sensible character. Even if they change her a bit, it will still fit the overall fremen background. I just hope they won't Mary Sue Chani...
I didn't even realise until tonight that this movie is only the first half. So, what is Chani doing in it? - outside a couple of dreams in any event. And, yep, completely agree - the Harkonnens had absolutely no idea what was going on in the southern "uninhabitable" part of the planet. They may have been dicks to the locals - but ravage the land? I wonder how the movie is going to deal with the role of Fremen women in sietch... Probably not going to stay faithful to the source material is my guess.
Don't know what angle they're going for, but I'm assuming they mean stealing the natural resources and getting rich off of it, rather than letting the fremen do it.
This guy gets it. The Fremen were hiding and waiting out the Harkonnen occupation of Arrakis. They didn't trust the Atreides, either. I hadn't heard that Chani quote in the trailer yet, but it's deeply concerning if DV wants to portray the Fremen as some kind of trail of tears victim group.
Thank you for succinctly putting into words what I came down to the comments to say. If anything, Paul is the ultimate deconstruction of the Hero's Journey; the path/destiny he follows makes him a hero to the Fremen, but a genocidal, galaxy-controlling despot to anyone who won't bend the knee, and eventually it overtakes him and becomes impossible to divert from without destroying him. It takes Leto II how many centuries to unfuck humanity, and he does it by being even more tyrannical?
Having read the books, I enjoyed both the Lynch and SiFi channel versions. The SF channel version was marginally better in translation, but I loved the Gothic meets 19th Century Empire aesthetic of the Lynch version.
@john smith I wonder if Lynch can blame the studio for weirding modules, heart plugs, cat/mouse antidote dispenser, and the rain at the end. In spite of these warts I liked the movie anyway. But it could have been so much better.
Watching this years after loving Dune Part 1, i never really thought about how easy it wouldve been for them to do the "strong empowered woman" in this movie. Im really glad that it didnt turn out like that
When Dune 2 battle for Arrakis came out on the mega drive in the 80 s I became a huge dune fan. I still love that game and the .. story and idea the game was conveying. I loved the film with Sting. Didn't know they done anything else. Be interested to watch it.
I liked the Children of Dune mini-series more than the actual Dune SciFy remake. Hopefully this will be good but our expectations should be tempered by now.
I laughed out loud when the Guild Navigator was introduced. Lynch spoiled my mental image of how grotesque and alien, yet still vaguely human, the Navigators were. So a brightly colored merman in a little jar was too much.
I never liked the Original Dune book, it gets held up as a masterpiece but it’s a chore to read. The Butlerian Jihad was much more interesting, Cymeks and the AI war.
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I plan on it.
They are called Fremen, not Freemen
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It's Game of Thrones in space. I think Dune was the blueprint carbon copy model for Martin. That's okay by me, the history of Sci Fi/Fantasy has ''borrowing'' stamped across its forehead. For me it's more like building on previous brilliance rather than stealing. It might be fun to do a mini research effort comparing the two and uncovering the similarities. We can start with Duke Leto of House Atreides being backstabbed and murdered by another powerful House alongside Lord Eddard of House Stark being backstabbed and murdered by another powerful House. How about Paul Atreides --> Kwisatz Hadderach as messiah and Jon Snow --> the Prince who was Promised as messiah.
Critical, Man the "pandemic" has taken away your powers or maybe too much sobriety? There's no chance in todays climate this is going to be good.
"All it has to do is stay faithful to the source material."
Famous last words.
they aren't going to stay faithful the whole way through they have said it themselves
and that isn't a bad thing as movies always will innovate new things from their source material
they do however, need to stay faithful to the overall story and atmosphere, characters and such, you know the things that make dune... well... dune
I say this after only realizing a few years ago how amazing the books are
lol
The cast and crew of The Lord of the Rings trilogy knows this better than anyone.
Speaking of that - the Bene Jesuit being incredibly powerful and clever, and Paul's love interest being incredibly powerful and clever ***IS*** faithful to the source material. For someone who laments that Hollywood frames every issue through their own personal axes to grind - you sure do frame every issue through your own personal axes to grind.
@@karencoyle3011 You're full of shit, honey. Paul's love interest is not 'incredibly powerful and clever' in the original source material. For someone talking like she knows what she's talking about, you sure sound like someone who couldn't find their way out of an empty room with a single door.
"What's in the box-office?"
"Pain."
Oh man, you're perfect
LOL
Seriously cannot like this comment enough.
hahahahaha!!!!
Perfect!! 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
The first Dune novel already had Jessica besting Stilgar, the Alpha of his Fremen tribe, in like five seconds when she and Paul were found by the Fremen. Herbert knew how to build strong Female characters. Even a bookworm bimbo like Irulan had her share of badassery, while still allowing herself to share the same fears and ambitions that a woman in her position would feel.
She was trained by the BG after all
Indeed. Also, Jessica stood on even ground when facing Thufir Hawat, the master assassin when he suspected her of treason.
I feel bad for people who's reaction to the work of art that Dune is - is boredom. I wasn't bored even for one minute in those two and a half hours. I enjoyed it immensely .
Note: some things take time and Villeneuve understand this.
i wasnt bored ...i just felt Lynchs vision was superior in some respects. But... Not all.
I never read the books but I loved the movie. I hope it doesn’t get the “Dredd” treatment where everyone liked it but it wasn’t financially successful so we never get a follow up.
Marvel fans. Figures
@@Natalie-uc1kj i'm a "Marvel fan", meaning - i enjoy their movies and have seen almost all of them, except for Captain Marvel ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). It's just that i know why i watch Marvel movies (and what to expect from them), and why i watch something like Villeneuve's work (and what to expect from it).
@@rosss7007 yeah, same. But hopes are high for this one. Especially when Denis himself have talked about part two and WB has hinted at possibility of it. They haven't officially greenlighted it yet, but i'm pretty optimistic they will.
Let's just say, if they don't - it will the biggest shame in recent cinema history...
"I must not hype. Hype is the mind-killer. Hype is the little-death that brings total oblivion."
Good one.
A very good one.
LOL for real thx
[Obliteration.]
"I must face my hype and allow it to pass over and through me. When the hype is gone, there will be nothing but measured expectations."
"Why I Have Hope For Dune"
Me: "Don't do that. Don't give me hope."
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
And for anyone about to post “fear is the mind killer” just don’t. We all know how modern cinema works.
I don't have any hope whatsoever for any movie anymore. I'll stick with the Scifi Channel version on DVD.
That useless girl actress will be the lead for the sequel, the director said so. Prepare for an EPIC cluster f@ck.....
The first bitter taste of that terrible illusion
Saw it a couple of days ago, and it was a promising start. Spectacular effects, great cast, solid acting, a very fitting soundtrack, no obvious political correctness as of yet. Look forward to a sequel.
@@Peterviegal Well, they gender and race swap Liet Kynes to a black woman. Which made it all the more jarring because Kynes was meant to be Chani's father.
I will watch it. (It got good toward the end so I can only hope that the next one resumes that momentum. )
well the story is based on the islamic view of the end times where mehdi leads the people into the biggest war in humanity
@@fluffythebunnyslayer20hahaha I noticed that too! Gender swapped, but also racially swapped, which was interesting because originally Dr. Kynes wanders off to the desert and dies with no still suit, but now that character is a woman of color, she goes from being a proper dignitary to a girl boss, waited on hand and foot, a freedom fighter and gets a hero's death all of a sudden. Interesting change of events, that.
The Critical Drinker: "At least unlike Disney's Star Wars, this series won't take it's hero and turn him into a bitter old hermit who has turned against everything he used to believe in..."
Dune Fans: "Uhhhhhh...... yeahh......"
In short, the Drinker knows fuck all about Dune
Drinker is such a pretender
@@TheVagabond627 as was to be expected
@@TheVagabond627 Given i do know fuck all about dune, care to explain, 'cuz if this happens already in the cannon then i don't think i wanna see the dollar store knock off they flunk out into modern cinema.
@@viniciussardenberg706 Book 4. There is a wandering hermit who has far too much knowledge. It is never overtly confirmed in text this was Paul returning from the wastes after the events of Book 2. But the governing theory, all but confirmed by external notes, is it was.
The thing about Dune is, it seems like every production is trying to master the visual and technical aspects of it, which admittedly are the cool parts, but if you don't understand the subtle nuances that are the real meat and potatoes of the story, it doesn't matter how pretty it looks.
exactly - the 80s film really tried to capture the inner thoughts / unspoken dialogue, to show the machinations and political plottings going on behind the words that are actually spoken. Unfortunately, it focused too much on giving us EVERY thought, instead of following the "show, don't tell" rule of moviemaking.
if you listen to the director of this Dune, he pretty much understands the nuances of the series just as any Dune fan, if not more.
@@arthurhenriqueguimaraes4969 I think you have to read more of Frank Herbert than dune to really get what he was trying to accomplish. None of his other books came close to the original dune, but he tried to do similar things, and the fact he was less successful in his other books makes it more obvious the tricks he was using in that one.
@@danielrichwine2268 he focused a lot on God hood.
yep its the philosophy not the effects
Studio: Many have tried to adapt Dune.
Denis: They tried and failed?
Studio: They tried and died.
perhaps this shall be mua'dib. you must not fear, fear is the mind killer.
Your direct quoting of the book pleases me.
@@voidchild3388 you mean the Kwisatz Haderach?
ROFL! I HATE YOU! I wish I'd thought to post that!!! XD
Epic comment
I had no single idea of the previous dune film nor the book but oh my i watched it in IMAX yesterday and it was phenomenal. It’s epic and visually stunning of a half complete story. Once again Denis Villeneuve and Warner Bros present an amazing film. It’s my best film of 2021 so far. Can’t wait for second installment and yeah WB have basically confirmed the second part. Zendeya was the weakest by far probably cause she has only 6 min scene, but the rest of the cast were very good.
You should read the books. The film was very faithful, and if you enjoyed it, you'll get a lot more out of it by reading the books. You can always stop reading halfway through the first one if you want to wait for Part Two, but they didn't reorder anything and you won't spoil yourself doing that. What you will get is a much deeper appreciation for the politics, technology, and characters, which you only got the cliff's notes version of.
The movie is out here for me, and I caught it in theatres. An excellent adaptation, choosing very well how to adapt the density of the novel while preserving a good pace throughout. Visually stunning and acting very on point, it's a faithful big screen adaptation that gives me a lot of hope for a possible sequel
“All it needs to do is stay faithful to the source material”
Ah, fuck. It’s gonna bomb isn’t it?
There's a faithfulness in the spirit and themes that overrides being a slave to the minutiae.
They can't help themselves. It's their religion.
Yes, and for the same reason most sci-fi fails to attract the mainstream: deep thought makes simple people go to sleep.
It looks pretty bad, like a budget TV series. Also, diversity is clearly high on their list of priorities. When has that ended well?
It most likely is. On the other hand "Arrival" did pretty well despite being not so faithful to the source material. So, I don't know... but I'm less optimistic than Drinker here.
My mother was a Star Wars fan, I took her to see the last 3, she is no longer a Star Wars fan. My mother was a rom com fan, I took her to see a few rom coms, she is no longer a rom com fan. My mother was an MCU fan, I watched BW with her, she is no longer a Marvel fan. She has multiple copies of the Dune series, the Lynch film on VHS and DVD, a copy of The Dune Encyclopedia signed by Frank Herbert himself...please, Hollywood, stop disappointing my mother.
My mom too!
Maybe it's because you are going with her to this shows?
Kidding, they suck.
😂😂
Disney Kills ....
Still a Dune fan after watching the David Lynch shitfest?
Dune is not about someone being the Messiah, "the One", but about the dangers of following charismatic leaders
No, it’s a subversion and evolution of the Messiah story arc. It greatly benefitted the Fremen to follow Paul, and his son Leto II put humanity on the path to its evolution.
@@Ammoniumbicarbonat That's highly debatable since the books were never finished. Leto II isn't exactly a reliable POV. If anything, things seemed to get worse for humanity by Chapterhouse.
@@erubin100 They weren't worse. Leto II actually prevented humanity from being wiped out (or re-enslaved)....at least according to him. He was holding off that threat while he improved humans enough to fight/evade the threat.
@@blah2115
Eactly, "...at least according to him"
Our/his point exactly
@@nicholasleclerc1583 So your thesis is that the golden path was all Leto's (and Paul's) delusion to justify their evils? I don't buy it. I think I recall hearing Herbert suggested something to this effect, but since nothing in the books hints at it, I'd say Herbert was just trying to mitigate accusations of glamorizing unpopular ideologies.
Watched it 2 days ago and I can describe it with just one word...
Spectacular.
Visually everything looks stunning. Acting is solid, previously I've never been a fan of Timothy Chalamet, but his acting was pretty good. Sound and music was... completely out of this world, it felt so alien, it was so great. Don't know what else to add
It's trash
@@user-xp4ov5od8t I'm feeling everybody watched a different movie than me, I thought it was shite. Thought the cast was far better in the 1984 film.
its trash
It's terrible. A complete waste of time and money.
@@jaswingnut With exception of soundtrack, most of things was. Though I'm still not convinced that superior components produced decisively superior product.
“Hope clouds observation.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune
Perfect. In many, many ways.
Touché 🤺
Indeed. The Drinker does not seem to know that the books are more of a cautionary tale about charismatic leaders.
@@gabilurio4270 Right, this kind of surprised me that he missed the point.
@@BelleMort6 I agree on that, but perhaps he avoided telling it entirely just to avoid more spoilers
“I must not hype.
Hype is the mind-killer.
Hype is the little-death that brings total disappointment.
I will ignore the hype.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the hype has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
Is that a spell chant?
@@cmleonel it's a play on the quote made by Paul in the Dune series concerning fear.
Ay fucken men
@@warfightersanonymous7760 Oh cool! Never watched Dune before. I was just joking :P
Nice!
”plots and schemes are the same thing”
Tyrion Lannister, back when GoT was glorious
Gods the show was strong back then.
And according to Q from Star Trek, plots and ploys are different.
@john smith You not a fan of TNG? Ok.
TNG was "OK" if I were to recommend a new person to ST it would be to start with the originals. Q is a stupid character in any episode.
@@FoulPet I guess the Trelane episode is one you'd prefer not to mention then eh?
Two classic things emerged from Dune: Tatooine in Star Wars, and "Dune II: The Building of a Dynasty" by Westwood Studios, a classic even legendary game that became the template for their own Command & Conquer they pushed out some 3 years later.
That Dune game was the bomb, yo! Played it to death.
@@alclewley9309 I had it on the Amiga, the best computer of all time. Modern PCs have more power but the Amiga had the better OS. A modern-powered Amiga would be 10x better than anything we have today.
Other possible influences on Star Wars: the "ancient futuristic" vibe - protagonists with swords & knives in a spacefaring civilization, young hero ambivalently seeks forseight and super-human fighting skills enabled by an ancient quasi religious order that operates in a hightech society and also is one of the pillars of power, galaxy ruled by an evil emperor...
@@jamieK111 The Hero with a Thousand Faces was published 1949, Dune was published 1965. Herbert based Paul on 1000 Hero and Lucas based Luke on the same source material, hence the strikingly similar moral & plot journey.
After he reviews this movie, I'm preparing myself for The Drinker's ultra-depressed tone of voice when he says, "Anyway, that's all I've got for today. Go away now.".
Same bruv. I am not excited about this movie even though I want to be
@Bennie Mesmer damn shame
Lmfao.......
@@tyrellthiel2201 that sentence... not excited even though I WANT to be. :(
@@Evghenios79 I want to be able to love the changes done to our franchises. That would be the easiest way out. But instead we all watch it burn because well... it is not what we want.
"He who controls the narrative, controls the Twitterverse!"
the cringe must flow!
@@phileas007 I wish I could thumb up this response more than once.
@@phileas007 you could equally substitute, lies, narrative, bullshit etc for cringe
The narrative must flow
“Whether a thought is spoken or not it is a real thing and it has power,"
You forgot ONE thing thing the 1984 movie did right: delivered a kick-ass soundtrack composed by Toto!
Two things: That, and Atreides Battle Pug!
@@brucetucker4847 & costume , & set , & superb character actors, & even the 80's special effects are OK for today,
You seriously can't be forgetting "father! The sleeper has awakened!"
@@brucetucker4847 xD
@@johnaverill6308 'Long live the fighters!'
'The dream... unfolds.'
Meanwhile, applause for Desert Theme, and it's guitar solo.
The good-movie-that-doesn't-break-into-the-mainstream route is the best possible one for Dune, given that being "mainstream" is an invitation to desecrate an IP.
Unfortunately though, given the way Hollywood executives think, if it doesn't break into mainstream it may just stay one movie covering half a book.
@@domm6812 there are worse fates
@@andrewroby1130 Glances over at Wheel of TIme. "Indeed."
Our society has degraded to the point where it defiles everything it touches.
The book is pretty clever. It is actually critical of the hero’s journey and warns us to ‘put not your trust in princes’. It’s almost like the author subverted our expectations
@Carl Stanford -
...I wouldn't know about your expectations about Dune, but I am not quite sure that the Story is not actually critical of princes.
Kindly note how the novel ends with the Paul literally becoming the Messiahs.
With then spawning a galaxy wide jihad of course....
@@andreasw.6425 Becoming the Messiah is the problem. "Dune was aimed at this whole idea of the infallible leader because my view of history says that mistakes made by a leader (or made in a leader's name) are amplified by the numbers who follow without question." - Frank Herbert
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t -
...in which case the intention of the author is somewhat subverted by the narrative, which expresses great admiration at the idea of power of a messianic being bringing salvation to not only a group of ppl but mankind as a whole. 😉
I think you might both be right.
Dune is about a leader who is an _actual_ messianic leader, who really is superhuman. Without going too much into the further books, consider this:
Paul outright resists the idea of becoming the Kwisatz Haderach because his imperfect prescience forsees in flashes what his leadership would unleash.
Once 'awakenend' Paul takes on his messianic role, seeing no better option, fully aware of the horror that is to come.
I think Herbert fully intended this: a leader with perfect prescience is a horrible concept, locking all of the galaxy along a single path with no escape. You can argue the ultimate tyranny is found at the end of Paul's heroic journey.
And a little spoiler: it drives Paul mad in the end.....
Perhaps trust our own decisions, instead of superhuman princes? Choice, excercising our own will, really does make us human...
4:53 - The first book in the Dune series is indeed simple & classic, following the classic hero's journey; however, holy moly, the arch over the first 4 novels is anything but simple. It really is a wonderful take on how messianic leaders, even with the noblest of intentions, are evolving beings with flaws. Herbert put it best: “I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." Truly a wonderful story.
Spot on...
Really by the second book "Messiah" it's pretty clear the story is actually an interesting and original deconstruction of a hero. Which makes it so much more interesting than any other story like this.
Indeed. Since by the second book, Paul has turned into a genocidal Alexander the Great, triggering a mix of seething fear, hatred and adoration across the galaxy after billions die in his Jihad.
And how God emperor lunches thousand and half year forward, that's a shocker too... These books are beyond standard expectations :)
As much as I enjoyed Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune were far more interesting, and come God Emperor of Dune, it's literally become a self fulfilling prophecy.
My concern is that the perception of Paul being some hero is going to impression upon viewers the false idea that this is what Dune is about.
Hardly, Paul is where Anakin was given a lot of his inspiration. Paul Atredies is a cautionary tale just like the entire universe of Dune is. Hopefully the intent to warn against charismatic leaders is at least respected.
I think anyone who have to adapt the book had to realize the very in you face fact that the first 2 books are a tale of how dangerous charismatic leaders can be
I'm glad to see that others know what DUNE and its sequels are about, even if Hollywood doesn't.
I doubt this movie will be true, but I'm curious enough to see it
glucas stole a lot more than just that from Dune
I also think the critical drinker also misses this point with his remarks on Chani. I think people are way to worried. Denis is a big fan of the series and I bet will serve an amazing movie.
@@mr.treefrog8641 I do have the same feeling, so far everything seen from the movie looks in line with the theme of the books.
A couple of additions are expected to make an interesting adaptation, like the Gurney Halleck joke and streamlining some stuff.
But I'm really hoping the movie is a success so we can finally get God-Emperor on the big screen, Leto II is such a brilliant character and the mini series stopped at Children of Dune.
I'm so glad you mentioned Children of Dune positively. I remember watching that in the early 2000s thinking "this is gonna suck" then it was pretty good and I was surprised. Most people forget about CoD when talking about the Dune franchise.
Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are tough reads, especially for a younger audience. I was just old enough to hang through the classic Hero's Journey in the first book. You really have to dig deep to appreciate the later books, although after God Emperor, they become more formulaic and accessible, even for readers who don't pick up on the continuing themes.
Black ops 2 was an excellent sequel to a groundbreaking plot, I agree it gets too little appreciation
Dune should always get special praise for actually having a logical reason for swords and melee combat to be viable in a sci-fi setting
Why do they fight with swords?
@@chasepeterson8789 body shields create a nuclear reaction when hit with laser weapons. Blades are slower, and can pass thru. Kinetic projectiles also tend to bounce off.
@@chasepeterson8789 They have personal shields that stop fast moving objects like bullets and that reacts to lasers by exploding like a nuke. Basically, if you want to kill someone, you have to get used to stabbing them at the right speed through the shield. If you shoot a laser, you will be too close to the blast, and bullets are no good.
@@chasepeterson8789 because they have shields. Essentially force fields which will deflect objects traveling past a certain velocity. So a projectile will bounce off because it is traveling to fast but a times slower thrust of a sword or kinja will penatrate the feild.
@@chasepeterson8789 iirc, it's because laser gunshots hitting personal shields result in nuclear explosions.
“He who controls the Toilet Duck, controls The Drinker”
The drains must flow.
_delirious slow motion "QUAAACK" sfx_
“Ah no, not Toilet Duck again! You’ll be seeing pink elephants!”
"He who controls Buckfast, controls Tatiana."
Zendaya’s MJ in the first Spider-Man movie may have come off as a bit unrealistic to those who are unfamiliar of the Gen-Z generation - but as someone who has several Gen-Z siblings and taught several Gen-Z students, she actually captures the zeitgeist very well. It’s hard to quantify, but it’s a personality tonal shift between generations. I have known several Gen-Z kids act awkward like MJ until they felt comfortable enough to open up. Their memes are super weird too. So don’t give up on Zendaya as an actress just yet! 👍
Watched it yesterday. Also re-reading the first book, now in English. I think the movie does an excelent job at adapting the novel.
"All they have t do is stay faithful to the source material." Good luck with that. I'll be waiting to see how that turns out.
Faithful nowadays means adapting only 70% of the actual book.
"Why I Have Hope For Dune"
Its a bold strategy Cotton, lets see if it pays off for em
Great quote, fellow man of culture :)
Effin A, Adolf. Effin A!
Did a little sailing and watched it earlier tonight. Very enjoyable and looks great. Hopefully we get part 2 soon.
Go, watch the movie, and come back to us. I've been, and I am waiting for your take on it.
I think whoever's in charge of marketing the film is aware of the potential lack of mass appeal, which why the trailers are so focused on action and spectacle (with a little humour thrown in). Whether the movie itself leans in that direction remains to be seen, but it's worth remembering that they're planning to tell the story over two films, so they'll want to make sure people come back for the second one.
That and the use of the Pink Floyd song "Eclipse" from "Dark Side of the Moon" (which was a really great choice, actually, considering the song's lyrics and how they mesh with the story)
I agree,I read the first book as a kid and was captivated, never read the sequels,but I have high Hope's for the new cinema take,fingers crossed...
Yeah, the trailers make it look like Mazerunner 12 - just YA garbage. I really hope it's just studio marketing and the movie itself is far more mature and mythical.
Idk how to feel. I see that fake Spider-Man MJ and I question how many concessions the writing and acting will take. But so far so good I guess.
That’s also a node to the unmade Dune film. It was going to have Pink Floyd music as well.
I think Herbert did a really good job actually at capturing what "female power" could look like, the Bene Gesserit are legit badasses and they wield their power and influence in a totally plausible way. Especially as the series goes on, I feel like the BG are a perfect example of how to do "strong female characters", while still allowing them to be flawed. The 2nd Dune book is also a really interesting take down of the generic "Hero's Journey" and casts the events of the 1st book in a different light. The later Dune books continue to REALLY shake things up too.
Pity were dealing with Honored Matres at the moment lol
Will lay a bet that chiani and Paul's first interaction is going to be her knocking him on his ar*e...its practically a rule of screenwriting these days.
Very, very this.
if you know your history then you would know that it seems plausible because very similar things did happen in history. many times.
Too true, man. "Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely." This rule never changes, regardless of your genitals. People who believe women are more inclined to peace need to acquaint themselves with Queen Elizabeth I, Catherine the Great, Giulia Tofana, Lucrezia Borgia, Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi and Margaret Thatcher.
I'm just back from the theater and I don't know what to think... Seems like Villeneuve outvilleneuved himself, and I can't decide if that's good.
Watched Dune
I think its the first movie id give 10/10
I give it an A-. Definitely very good. Some problems that are minor.
I can't wait to see if Mamoa can handle playing all of the Idaho's, his character gets pretty freaking deep
I'd love to have seen someone like Heath Ledger play Duncan Idaho. You start out thinking he's just another pretty boy, but he develops more depth and range as the films go on.
@@harbl99 Bring out the Ghola !
As much as I like Mamoa he's the worst pick of the cast for me, doesn't fit the character at all, and in the second trailer the moment where he jokes with Paul about his size is just painful to watch as it's just so far off the mark compared to the tone of the books.
In isolation I think it will be great, as an adaptation it's probably going to blow. Really looking forward to Stellan SKarsgaard as the Baron, if he gets it right he'll steal the show. Not at all looking forward to Duncan Idahbro.
I doubt it. I think that Oscar Isaac would be better for that role. I always pictured Dunkan Idaho with similar appearance.
No one has even attempted to go beyond the 3rd book...
The scifi series covered the first 2 books and dabbled in the 3rd I believe. But we don't see Leto II and his golden path
The saddest thing I've heard in most of the movie previews is "I hope Hollywood politics doesn't ruin this movie".
It says a lot about how much desperate, yet cynical, hope we fans have for a good Dune movie.
That being said, I'm fine with the 2 Scifi miniseries.
@@613harbinger316 yes, the movie and the two miniseries are enough
Didn’t ruin Blade Runner 2049 though. Have a little faith.
Look, all I'm saying is that ever since I became a pessimist, I've been right more often.
That's just being a good optimist about pessimism.
Inside every cynic is a hopeful optimist
@@renevillareal645 A cynic is simply an idealist who has disappointed one too many times. - George Carlin
You need to watch it. It is a modern masterpiece.
Is that a Mitch Hedberg joke?
Well... Just seen the movie and I am not disappointed. I feel like they caught the atmosphere of the book very well? Sound design, costumes, actors (mostly), special effects and just basically all of the visuals were amazing. First franchise in years I actually feel excited and hopeful about.
Dune: The spice must flow.
Modern Holywood: The misandry must flow.
Cough Bene Gesserit cough. Frank Herbert was a feminist in his time.
@@jr2904 the point was that the Bene Gesserit were behind in the shadows, and are the cause of almost all that happens even if uncredited. By genderbending characters to add more women the point of the Bene Gesserit is lost.
@@jr2904 Don't drink anymore of the future is female koolaid, ok
@@jr2904 Ah, yes. Bene Gesserit, machiavellian all-female conspiracy where older members exploit their younger subordinates and practically sell them to male nobles as sex objects and for breeding. Great feminist model you there...
@@IamOutOfNames the Bene Geserit are equal opportunity exploitors. If you messed with their plan you ended up looking like Baron Vladamir Harkonen.
I was thrilled when I see the first trailer, thinking that even if it isn't financially successful, it will be amazing and hopefully good. However, then I learned that it will only cover the first half of the book. Knowing that it is highly unlikely that it is a financial success, we will most likely only get half of a Dune film and never see the second half filmed.
The studio is fully behind DV and he's already writng the second movie
I think Part 2 has already been greenlit and is in production as we speak.
I was thrilled that Dune finally LOOKS right on screen. I'm very keen to see the film.
"So the first thing was to prove that there was a beautiful, popular movie that can exist, and I think that I proved that - everybody at Warner Bros and Legendary, they are 100 percent behind the project. They feel that it would need a really bad outcome at the box office to not have a Dune: Part Two, because they love the movie. They are proud of the movie, so they want the movie to move forward. And they still did half of it. So, you know, I’m very optimistic."
Denis Villeneuve
One could also look at the first book being divided into two parts positively, because the whole story does not need to be condensed into roughly 150 minutes.
Just got home from the theaters after watching this movie. It was simply a treat to watch. I've no idea about the source material but I'm going to check it out soon. The books are almost always better than its adaptation no matter how good it might be. Can't wait for the sequels and hoping that it wouldn't tank!
"I don't think I've been sober in my entire life."
You're Scottish mate, we knew that already.
"Stay Faithful to the Source Material" - Drinker, I'm including that in all my prayers from now on. You are so Right!
Stay faithfull... by genderswapping one of the key characters.
Strange that Christianity isn't even staying true to the source material either.
@@theobserver6579 Way, way out of left field, that one.
You're not wrong, just off topic.
@@Deridus
In reference to the "stay faithful" part.
I just think it's funny that people are hoping for something to stay faithful to the source material when Christianity isn't even faithful to it's source material anymore.
@@theobserver6579 Still true. And still very off topic. I can see the connection, but don't allow yourself to become Churchill's version of a fanatic: some who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
"The Message" is temporary but Dune is Eternal.
I think the David Lynch film gets a bad rap to be honest. I remember seeing it as a kid and thinking it was the most awful thing ever, but after I read the books in my early teens revisiting the film it’s impressive how closely Lynch sticks to the narrative and creates a weird and interesting universe for his adaptation. Considering how difficult a series Dune is to adapt, I don’t think he did a half bad job.
The drinker endorsing the New Dune is the Drinker endorsing the racial eradication of white cast members from no longer white owned Hollywood . I'm seriously disappointed in drinker for being positive about this racist awful upcoming cultural appropriation flick. ps: Don't be antisemitic by falsely claiming that the new lead is white.
I am excited to see the four hour version, because that's where most of the narrative is. To me the original cut was rushed and it didn't give much to the character development. Would you recommend the four hour version over the original?
@@TheBelrick Go away now
@@TheBelrick I have no idea what you're talking about. Care to elaborate?
@@Havanu81 Dune was a celebration of European cultures and peoples set among the stars. The infiltration of Hollywood which is non-white owned has seen this culture appropriated to the point were white men are a minority among such new movies as this Dune. Its racism, its extremism, and its an evil vile act.
I still feel like Dune should have been done like Game of Thrones (1st season) a 10 hour miniseries with a healthy budget would really do it justice. Even these two films may not have enough time to tell the entirety of the story.
It was the director Dennis Vilenuve who pushed to get it made, and he is a movie director. Nobody else would touch the IP so we are lucky we are even getting a movie.
after 2 seasons of the mandalorian i'm pretty sure you're right
Or at least something like BSG mini series / pilot.
A lead actresses calling a book "sexist", that she hasn't read and in which an all female organization literarily rules the universe in secret, doesn't help my blood pressure at all. But I keep hoping the relevant people knew what they were doing.
Who’s calling it sexist? How infuriating. The Bene Gesserit are badasses, especially Lady Jessica.
Chiani is a capable fighter, but has her moments of tenderness and vulnerability. You can see why Paul fell in love with her.
She really needs to read Dune.
@@reikun86 czcams.com/video/VHi8PxxG8Zs/video.html I added a start-time, but I recommend watching the whole thing.
Good video about it: czcams.com/video/eD_3bgPGcQ8/video.html
this movie is gonna be a turd
Not too mention the reason the floating fat man can't walk anymore .
Sexist? How do people like this actually survive? Definitely a Darwin award candidate. 👏
@@reikun86 tell me of the waters of your homeworld, Usul.
sihaya, my desert tree
‘I can cope with the despair, it’s the hope I can’t stand’ - John Cleese in Clockwise. Careful, Drinker.
I have about as much hope for this movie as I have for Amazon’s LOTR show.
"All it needs to do to be successful is stay true to the source material."
Hollywood: Hold my spice.
I saw this today, and it was awesome. I highly recommend.
"On the other hand, when I was casting the character of Chani, I met a lot of actresses. Zendaya wanted to audition and now, after shooting the film and seeing what a great actress she is, I regret having her audition, just because I didn’t know her. However that day, she impressed me and when she walked out of the studio I knew that Chani was her, the young desert tiger. I’m honored to present two such explosive talents on screen and I can’t wait to shoot the second part of Dune to have them back together. Knowing that in the next chapter, Zendaya will be the protagonist of the story."
-Denis Villeneuve, speaking to la Repubblica.
worrying at first glance..
"That day she impressed me" - interesting.
Also, she isnt a great actress. And the last sentence is a big red flag.
Anyone who insists on going by a single name who isn't from a hereditary monarchy is best avoided.
@@RJRC_105 based
He spoke to "La Repubblica"? The Italian (Left leaning) newspaper?
She can’t act for shit but she does tick all the right diversity boxes.
Personally, I loved the Lynch version. In this day and age where there is zero mystery or escapism and movie trailers give away the entire plot and all of the twists in 3 minutes, Lynch's Dune felt so weird and foreign that, despite it's shortcomings, the movie stuck with me and kind of gave me that feeling you get as a kid seeing something new for the first time. For that alone I consider Lynch's movie to be better than a great deal of others.
I don't watch a movie or play a game to just see and hear all the same crap I've seen and heard before. Nothing wrong with taking risks, even if they sometimes fail. The reason movies/games/music sucks so ridiculously hard now is everyone's so afraid of being 'cringe' or whatever that no one tries anything interesting anymore.
Same here. It's a terrible Dune movie but it's a wonderful, gorgeous mess of a film. Lynch created something truly memorable and unique.
Most importantly, Lynch’s Dune has Pug Leto (also known as Atriedes War Pug) 🐶🥰
@@reikun86 it also has one of the all time great soundtracks.
That actor who played Duke Leto was spine chilling when they were trying to rescue the spice miners.
@@blkbrdmntrvimes6438 Jürgen Prochnow, he was amazing in the WWII submarine drama Das Boot. Drinker also did a recent vid on that.
Saw the movie yesterday (only 8 people in the cinema). It's simply a masterpiece. Must be watched on a big screen.
Only 8? From where are you? I saw the movie in France in Original version with french subtitles and the theater was FULL, like, no room at all, and that was 1 week after its initial release in France.
@@texanplayer7651 Spain
@@drakan5468 And when did you see the movie? Was it like 2 weeks after release in a very small movie theater in a small town? Or was it practically at the release date in a big movie theater?
I am asking because I wonder how there could have been so few watching where you are from when everywhere I go it's hard getting a nice seat
@@texanplayer7651 I saw it on release day in Spain, Friday the 17th of September IIRC. Great movie, must be watched on a big screen.
@@texanplayer7651 Small town, yes, on release date (in Spain): Friday 17th of September. It's a shame really, this movie deserves a full audience.
IT WAS GOOD EVERYONE
Agreed! Watched in on IMAX. The opening was forced, but the last 2/3 was great!
Lol I got a Coke zero ad the moment you talked about drinking urine lol. The timing was perfect.
I got a Mazola ad, lol.
Ads? I'm on my 7th free premium trial. Ads are for suckers
Same
Hahahha yeah me too!!!
I actually don't hate Coke Zero.
I'm not holding my breath on this. So many IPs have been utterly destroyed by modern Hollywood. Let's say I won't be putting any money down on this until I see some trustworthy reviews come in.
Until someone tells you how to feel lol
tbh I'd feel the same if anyone but Dennis villaneuvue was at the helm. if he can't pull it off, no one will or can.
@@mycaleb8 out of here troll you're kind don't last long.
@@breakthecycle5238 I hope so I'd be happy to be wrong.
@@mycaleb8 more like until someone that can be trusted says enough positive things to justify giving it a shot.
I watched the movie yesterday. It was good, they stayed faithfull, there was no BS. Go watch it, I want part two ;)
Absolutely love your channel, keep up the great work! 👍
The style of Lynch's Dune combined with the storytelling of the Syfy miniseries would be a winning formula.
Not a big fan of Lynch's work, but his visual style for the movie worked really well, in my opinion. So well, that it was implemented beautifully in the Westwood Studio games, particularly Dune 2000 (with John Rhys Davies as a mentat!)
@yeah Troll
I'll say it: David Lynch's _Dune_ is an objectively bad movie.
Since they won't be using the word Jihad, I'm rather skeptical
@@primmakinsofis614 Lynch was too much into avante guard stuff, as if he had just graduated from film school.
Yes and no.
I'm still not in love with the floating baron.
He has anti-gravity devices called suspensors to help him walk. He doesn't float. Why do all adaptations incist on him floating? (He only does so when hit with the needle by alia).
Couple with that with some bizarre Lynchian choices (the Harkonnen's need to milk cats and crush rats into drinks to show they're evil?). And the style of the Harkonnens (weird haircuts for the sake of weird, Sting in a speedo)... make for a movie that's kind of stylistically all over the place.
The Stillsuits and the Bene Gesserit were visually *mwah*. It's just a really mixed bag.
The director said that part 2 will have Chani as protagonist. That's where I checked out and Dune is my favorite book of all time.
Soesn't Chani die in childbirth? I can picture them using her as the desert prophet in a putative _Dune Messiah_ though.
Chani doesn’t die until Messiah.
He said that? Aw hell no ☹️
I could see Alia in her late teens as protagonist, like in the Dune mini-series. But Chani as lovely as she is, has no real depth as character besides being Pauls woman tbh.
@@hamzauzumaki yeah I wouldn't mind an expansion of Chani's character but making her the whole protagonist? No. That's just placating the age we live in.
Having read the books as a young teen I have always loved Dune. I don't have a lot of Expectations of Hollywood today but I sure would love to see this incredible story presented the way it should be.
Looking forward to seeing it, one way or another
I just saw the movie. I'm sober. I enjoyed it. Denis kept me captivated throughout the movie. The Hans Zimmer did not disappoint; his other worldly score was spot on. IMHO, the acting was outstanding in all cases.
I read earlier that the Director or whoever announced Zendaya is supposed to be the protagonist of the movie... I was already barely down for a Dune remake now even less so.
You just know its going to be all about her.
Im sure there will be a lot right about the movie but why change the character focus? Probably because if they didnt the mainstream would criticize the movie for having a white male protagonist... whatever hollywood!
I mean Zendaya is a pretty good actress idk whats the problem
No, she's only going to take one of the leading roles in the *sequel.* This movie will still be about Paul.
@@caprisun4851 Well thats a relief, thanks for the info!
I loved the David Lynch version and the mini-series despite the flaws.
Me as well. Shame the first tv mini series wasnt quite as good quality as the Children Of Dune mini series though.
Watching the Lynch version as a kid in the late 80s, early 90s is what got me to read the book. Despite its flaws, that film will always have a place in my heart.
@@theeffete3396
Same.
It was very beutiful. My uncle is a assistant director. He generally makes adds but for a short time he was on Game of Thrones. He tild that for the last 20 years he hasn't seen a movie that beautifuly directed . It was worth it to see it on the big screen.
I love the "unspecified virus of unknown origin" bit that you have been doing. Just A+ stuff my man.
A+ material? low bar for comedy. And it's called covid-19. get vaxxed, genius
Haha, racism funny :D
"All it really needs to do to be a succes is staying faithfull to the source material"
yeah they should but it's 2021 Hollywood so you'll know they're not gonna.....💔
Nigga what?
I read 6 Dune books when I was in high school. I understand some of the disappointment with the Lynch movie, but I can't understand the hate. I liked it when I saw it at the theater and I still like it today. Remember, "Fear is the mind killer" and "Long live the Fighters!"
Long live Pug Leto! 🐶
Ya Hya Chouhuda!
The Lynch movie is just so beautiful to watch, which I do fairly regularly.
It didn’t work well as a film because it was trying to do too much.
I loved the movie
@@sirrathersplendid4825 It was like a middle movie of a trilogy that had skipped forward too many years.
It was too watered down for the fans of the book but too complex for those who hade t read it.
You end up with a space Odyssey 2001 situation.
The way Herbert wrote this... it'll be near impossible to capture the depth of his world.
Yup. It does not lend itself to a movie. Book one should take about 14 hours minimum on film, and book one isn't enough. You need to film through God Emperor, then you can quit. They filmed HALF of book one? And they're releasing it in Hollyweird's post-apocalypse period? DISASTER.
Absolutely. Anybody talking like there can be any completely-representative film treatment of it is only telling me how much they missed in the book. I'm prepared to be grateful for any attempt which at least doesn't grotesquely contradict core elements like Lynch's butchery did.
This movie was pretty damn good.
I hope the movie doesn´t tank, and the sequel doesn´t get made. If the sequel ends up being made and is of this quality, this will be a great film series.
It's weird how the US gets the late release date
I've seen it yesterday, and indeed I hope it will succeed and they make the others parts just as this one.
It's believable, slow paced with attention to detail, hopefully those things won't hurt the sequels because most people now have a attention span for 5 seconds, and everything has to be flashy over the top simplified action.
@@scratastic1 I read that some people found it boring and too slow and I just realized they must be the chaps from tik tok, because not for 1 second did I find it boring or slow. For me twas an exciting journey through arrakis
@@latviesulegionars8806 hopefully there's enough people like you and me left to support this series
@@scratastic1 seeing the ratings I'm pretty sure there is
My real worries are about the second movie with the recent word that it will be centered on Chani. She was a main character but not the central figure in the second half of the book.
Well a lot of the second book (actually all the books) is/are internalised thought. This makes it challenging to bring from the page to the screen. I guess one way to approach this problem is to use a central POV character as an observer/narrator which I suspect is how Denis may use Chani in part 2. Clearly Paul is the most important character in the novel but he doesn't necessarily need to be the protagonist.
I am open minded about this. I just want to see this part first :)
@@dyslexicmyasre688 Let's hope you are right.
Hope inspiring signs:
- Decent budget and studio support.
- Incredible source material.
- Dedicated, artistic non-hack director who seems to love the source material.
- Some amazing casting, i.e. Stellan Skarsgård as the Baron.
Warning Signs:
- Rebecca Ferguson never having read the books, but publicly stating they're sexist (she is so clueless).
- Zendaya being made the "protagonist" for Part 2.
- Gender swap Liet Kynes.
Conclusion: mixed bag, could go either way.
"Dedicated, artistic non-hack director who seems to love the source material." His movies will prove this statement to be false. Mark my words.
@@ThePapaVader I agree. I am ready to walk out of the theater yelling FUCK THIS WOKE SHIT as soon I see the first WOKE FEMALE WARRIOR RIDING A WOKE WORM as she takes on the Galactic Patriarchy. 😑
That’s some big big big red flags like if we want a good movie, we cannot have ANY SJW nonsense within 10km of the studios or else the chance of fuckup skyrockets to near 90%
Wait Ferguson said the books were sexist? Look I don’t know much about Dune, but I’m pretty sure she’s just saying that for the purpose of being “politically correct”.
I feel this movie is going to be terrible. I'm not excited, I'll stick with the books.
Soooo .... I flew to America and back to watch this movie yesterday ... ☠☠ .... and I have to say I have hope as well .... Tim boy does a great job of transforming through the movie, Josh is amazing of course, even Jason does a pretty bloody good job. The movie looks amazing and the soundtrack is incredible. Really looking forward to second movie.
By far the best movie I've seen in a while. Just watched it, absloulty fantastic, restored my faith that Hollywood isn't lost to the sludge being produced by the Streamers. It's a bonified "Epic"
Here here
There was a time in 2012 where though we're Marvel and other movies we're getting it so right by staying faithful I was so hopeful for the future of movies. But now they're so mired in politics and all the good writers are staying away I think that that I am as exactly unhopeful now as I was hopeful in 2012.
I saw a headline stating that the director was making Chani the main character of the series. I hope this isn’t the case. This would poison the whole thing for me. Bending the knee like this at the expense of such a classic sci-fi story is beyond sad.
After I saw your post, I searched the web, and was at first disappointed.. Most sites reported this, and forgot about it.. But only CNET of all the 3 sites I found had an update. It switches so she is lead female protagonist. blaming a French to English translation error on the first reporting... Heres to hoping.. Although there are million other ways modern Hollywood can F this movie up. :)
@@PhoiDel that is them walking it back due to the backlash... remember who is playing Chani
@@PhoiDel I hope this is true. Thanks for looking that up!
That would, quite literally, destroy the entire story.
This is the reason I have no interest in seeing this movie. When was the last time Hollyweird re-booted a movie that turned out to be any good or better than the original?
Turned out to be a fantastic movie. Can't wait for part 2.
Was there on the premier (Eastern Europe, we've had it earlier). One should see it at cinema for sure, and it's good. Many details where cut down but it still really good and atmospheric movie quite up to the original story. And there should be a second part, which highly depends on the box office. So please go and see it yourself!
“Cautiously optimistic” is also exactly how I described my feelings on Dune.
Funny, that’s how I tend to approach sex with my wife.
The casting alone should dispel any notions of hope you may have.
The Westwood RTS games were my jam back in the day.
Westwood Studios also made my absolute favorite pirate game of all time with "Pirates: The Legend Of Black Kat."
I'll always remember Dune 2000 for the simple fact that the concept of an AI in the game was spawning the enemy with a ton of troops right from the start and just periodically send an increasingly strong portion of them to attack the player.
Good old Times, dune 2000 was one of my favorite games
@@romaliop Don't forget that'd they'd always pick the same route(s) to attack your base.
Dune 2000 was my intro into RTS games, loved the setting and read the books later.
My favorite book, my favorite director, needless to say I have super-high hopes for this one. Thanks, Drinker.
I loved Jason Momoa as Duncan in Dune. He was exactly the kind of personality I imagined when reading the book. They didn't include his big drunken scene from the books into the movie, but reading that and then hearing he was cast as that character, I could see him pulling that scene off.
Oh my, I guess this was recorded before the recent interview with Villeneuve where he says he's really looking forward to the second movie. Where Chani will take the lead role.
I wonder where this is going...
"Denis Villeneuve’s long-awaited sci-fi saga Dune is yet to hit cinemas, but he’s already teasing details from the follow-up, which the director says will shift focus to Zendaya’s character, Chani."
.. Oh no! *Strong female character intensifies*
Sooo... the first one is being made only because they're to chicken to put a female as the lead right off the bat. Good to know. F Hollywoke!
The second and third "books" of the hard-covered Dune novel I bought in the late 90s is covered in powdered cinnamon, I love this story so. I love it how Stilgar welcomes death if it means a better leader for his people, though Usul be wiser... gods, I hope they don't fuck it up, but if they do, we still have the novel. nothing short of death can take that from us.
Hmm... I wouldn't be so sure about that last part. At this point I can easily envision the powers-that-be banning books they don't like... possibly as a form of Hate-speech™
@@EricDodsonLectures I'll die on that hill.
@@EricDodsonLectures that's why having physical copies is the only way to be sure.
@@EricDodsonLectures Like the Dr. Seuss books...
@@animeangel1983 the dr who books?
I grew up on the 1984 version of dune and now Brand from goonies is playing Gurney - taking Sir Patrick’s place.
Shits wild.
Yeah Stewart was great. The casting that worries me zendaya as chani. Oh my god I hope she doesnt ruin it with her sjws bullshit. I'm also worried there gonna focus more on her and less on paul
@@johncole4183 over acting pompous aasshat
@@johnspencer3994 Patrick Stewart performance as Xavier in Logan wasn't pompous, overacted or asshatted in any manner of means. He created quite a pathos for his character. Besides any wealthy gentleman geezer that downs a shoey on the public stage can't be half bad eh?.
I wanted to see an ugly lump of a man as Gurney Halleck. Somebody with a nasty inkvine scar, busted nose and cauliflower ears, like a light-heavyweight MMA fighter, with the soul of a poet. Didn't like the casting choice of Stewart.
@@harrymills2770 I dont know josh brolin looks pretty grisled in the trailers I've seen he might make a good gurney
Spot on about Momoa- he described Duncan as ‘Han soloesque’.
Idaho- the most faithful and loyal warrior that brought Leto 2 to clone him again and again. He couldn’t be more the polar opposite of Han, the self serving smuggler even if he did have a conscience. Sci fi to Momoa is Star Wars- that’s it
The thoughtful sword master of Ginaz- who is far more than just a warrior- they were masters of warfare in all its forms- tactics, psychological warfare- you name it- they were described as ‘philosophers’
And sorry- If we ever get to Godemperor. No way Momoa can play the foil to Leto 2.
“Right on My big worm!”
I'd strongly disagree that Paul is a "classical hero". The story is of a classical hero, yes, but not the character himself. It was exactly Herbert's idea to show how leader-heroes stereotypes are made and how dangerous they are as a concept, when the real personality gets disconnected from the mythical persona created by others. Paul becomes a figurehead for a bloody universe-wide catastrophe he is unable to stop. But he himself definitely isn't just a "freedom fighter" hardened by loss, necessity and revenge. He's also not exactly a messianic figure (well, he is for the fremen of course), he is knowingly exploiting eons of religious preparation laid down by the Bene Gesserit agents among Fremen. He is aware all the time that he is doing exactly that. And in fact, at the end of the first third of the book he, strictly speaking, stops being human in a conventional sense of the word, gaining ancestral memory of millions of his genetical predecessors and an ability to (vaguely at first) see the future through a combination of mentat calculation and spice influence. It is this transformation exactly that I am afraid Chalamet might not be up to the challenge to portray. The awakening of his superhuman abilities a) makes him in some sense millions of years old through experience and memories of others. b) embitters him and makes him cynical and calculating (which only gets worse with further hardships and tragedies) also because he realizes that his life is not his own anymore no matter what he will choose. It is an extremely difficult role to play (and one I believe Alec Newman came rather close to playing perfectly). Chani is already very worrying even in trailers. Like in the last one she delivers something like "they ravage our lands", which obviously makes no sense at all. What did Harkonnens "ravage", the sand?? They didn't even realize how many fremen there actually were, and while they killed some and made their lives harder and fremen hated the Harkonnens, fremen were always in complete control of the deep desert. Everyone completely underestimated their numbers, influence and capabilities, they weren't victims, but that's how it sounds from the trailer. Fremen weren't some kind of oppressed miserable people, they were vengeful, ruthless, dogmatic, xenophobic and later - religious fanatics, but I'm afraid that the modern-day Hollywood is going to turn that into "The Message".
The book Chani was also pretty strong, pretty independent (untill 'marriage', at least) and pretty. What we've seen in the trailers still leaves hope for a sensible character. Even if they change her a bit, it will still fit the overall fremen background. I just hope they won't Mary Sue Chani...
I didn't even realise until tonight that this movie is only the first half. So, what is Chani doing in it? - outside a couple of dreams in any event. And, yep, completely agree - the Harkonnens had absolutely no idea what was going on in the southern "uninhabitable" part of the planet. They may have been dicks to the locals - but ravage the land?
I wonder how the movie is going to deal with the role of Fremen women in sietch... Probably not going to stay faithful to the source material is my guess.
Don't know what angle they're going for, but I'm assuming they mean stealing the natural resources and getting rich off of it, rather than letting the fremen do it.
This guy gets it. The Fremen were hiding and waiting out the Harkonnen occupation of Arrakis. They didn't trust the Atreides, either. I hadn't heard that Chani quote in the trailer yet, but it's deeply concerning if DV wants to portray the Fremen as some kind of trail of tears victim group.
Thank you for succinctly putting into words what I came down to the comments to say. If anything, Paul is the ultimate deconstruction of the Hero's Journey; the path/destiny he follows makes him a hero to the Fremen, but a genocidal, galaxy-controlling despot to anyone who won't bend the knee, and eventually it overtakes him and becomes impossible to divert from without destroying him. It takes Leto II how many centuries to unfuck humanity, and he does it by being even more tyrannical?
Having read the books, I enjoyed both the Lynch and SiFi channel versions. The SF channel version was marginally better in translation, but I loved the Gothic meets 19th Century Empire aesthetic of the Lynch version.
@john smith I wonder if Lynch can blame the studio for weirding modules, heart plugs, cat/mouse antidote dispenser, and the rain at the end. In spite of these warts I liked the movie anyway. But it could have been so much better.
Watching this years after loving Dune Part 1, i never really thought about how easy it wouldve been for them to do the "strong empowered woman" in this movie. Im really glad that it didnt turn out like that
When Dune 2 battle for Arrakis came out on the mega drive in the 80 s I became a huge dune fan. I still love that game and the .. story and idea the game was conveying. I loved the film with Sting. Didn't know they done anything else. Be interested to watch it.
I liked the Children of Dune mini-series more than the actual Dune SciFy remake. Hopefully this will be good but our expectations should be tempered by now.
Children of Dune was exceptional, James McAvoy was never so good as he was in that role.
The music is also really great
it was superior
I laughed out loud when the Guild Navigator was introduced. Lynch spoiled my mental image of how grotesque and alien, yet still vaguely human, the Navigators were. So a brightly colored merman in a little jar was too much.
I never liked the Original Dune book, it gets held up as a masterpiece but it’s a chore to read.
The Butlerian Jihad was much more interesting, Cymeks and the AI war.
I rented it at the library a while ago. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. Great acting
Zendaya can’t possibly compete with Sean Young…
Ok???
I mean she isn't crazy, but she is a far better actor.
Dune is pretty decent. It’s pure cinema.