Ripper Vs. Toothbar. Which works best for THIS Project?
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- John Deere 1025R tackles a root removal project.
Which attachment works best for this situation?
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Great bucket setup, the problem with that type of bucket is I don’t have one. Very impressive, it’s nice to see and have a little background on various implements. Thank you very much.
Your friend had access to a ton of garbage cans. And you did a great job. Kudos sir
At the end you made a great case for a 36" landscape rake from Lowes (about $36). I bought one about 25 years ago when I was landscaping my backyard. The area came out really smooth without a lot of work. Used it again when I built some birms (150' x 8' x 4') for a conifer privacy barrier. I was stunned how strong the rake was. I turned it over to push-pull soil and it did a great job. But when I had to move the topsoil, I sure wished I had a small tractor with a bucket! The topsoil was free; a friend of mine pulled up in my driveway with his big 2 axle dump truck and asked if I could use some really good topsoil. I said "yes" without thinking. I think the total was between 70 and 100 yds. Looked great when I finished it though I had forgotten I needed to mulch the darn thing! Makes a great case for renting if the need is just a few times.
My name is Tim Strickland I live in Kentwood Louisiana I'm amazed at how much work you can do with a small tractor. I have a Kubota MX 5200 and that is my second job working it for other people.
I've been doing this for about 10 years now. I love it keep up the good work
One rock lol here in Newfoundland you would have had to take away at least three bucket fulls of rocks with the tractor and bring topsoil in to level it out
I love my piranha tooth bar for lots of reasons but it’s tough to argue with your results on this type of job. Cool vid
I am ordering that Toothbar tomorrow. So versatile.
Tim, I did a similar job for a neighbor earlier this year. Had a large fir tree removed (or 2), cut into rounds, and the stump ground out. I wound up doing just as you did and removed a bunch of mulch first before tilling to a more final grade. Great answer Tim. But my neighbor had nearly 3 yards of mulch to move and place somewhere out of the way. The ripper might be better used on virgin ground before tilling. The tiller "shouldn't" have as hard of a time tilling virgin ground "IF" the ripper has been used first. Might experiment some time to see if it would be worth while. If not, do as you normally do. One less step to do. Keep the vids coming. Andrew
Haha Tim I can see how you could mistake that conduit / waterline trencher for a ripper. Drill a hole about 1 1/2 inch up from the lowest part of the tooth, make a something for your pipe to fit in what will keep the dirt out of the pipe (I used tube steel with a V welded on one end), attach it to the ripper with a chain link, put the pipe in the tube steel and I drilled a hole in both to bolt it in. This setup will pull 100' of PVC pipe and maybe more without breaking it. Just dig a hole where you plan to join the pipe together. The beauty of this rig is it doesn't leave a ditch to be filled. Just drive over the loose dirt and you're finished. I had to run water to the barn and sheds, you wouldn't believe how much time and money this saved. It's been installed for two years and seems to be good with no leaks. Play with it a little and it will pay off. I don't know where your frost line is so you may need to weld on a longer bar to go deeper but it will be worth it.
I have a beast of a subsoiler (Model SSIU . . . I have no idea the make, 15 years old). Weighs about 200 lbs. It has a 1" x 6" serrated blade and a 2" wide x 8" chisel (also 1" thick) that I can drop to 18" +/- below grade. I have used it to pull roots and even stumps. Paired with a Good Works Tractor Stump Bucket on the FEL even my little 1025R is a stump killer. ;-). I also have a Heavy Hitch toothbar. I like that a LOT.
My toothbar AND ripper are on the way! I plan on doing something extra dumb with the ripper tooth though, we'll see how that goes!
Boy that makes me feel better seeing all that green grass and trees. The tooth bar does amazing on those roots, with that ripper you'd have been out there till dark pulling roots it was going too deep just need to take them off the top 6". Great video. Hope your Christmas was all you wanted it to be.
I thought folks would enjoy seeing the contrast. We get lots of "You should have tried ..." type comments, so this was a response to one of those.
I learned so much from this video. Neighbor asked me to level and area around their wooded lot yard area. I knew roots would be spaghetti everywhere. So how to approach the thinning out roots: ripper or tooth bar. Your vid demonstrates exactly what I needed. Thank you.
WOW amazing, those roots!
Tim , Christy , a great job !!! All the rippers we have , 1 , 2 , and 3 shank do not have shear bolts. They are for much larger tractors. I would guess the shear bolts are to protect your tractor . Two reasons it may have sheared on this job , the bolt could have been weakened from previous work or since you were carrying the ripper higher while in contact with the ground this would have created a longer point of contact form the pivot point below the shear bolt , in other words a longer lever effect! I probably am not making a lick of sense! If not I apologise ! I think you definitely used the correct implement !!! You all be safe and God bless you all !!!!!! Eddy
Yep. thanks for watching, Eddy!
Again happy to see you guys!!
every time I see that setup I wish I could win the lottery as I need a set up of the bucket with toothbar and rotorvator and a brush hog cutter.. but am here in Jamaica and cannot afford it..lol
Good eye Tim spotting that sump drain. Don't know how many times I have dug and then realized it was starring us in the face before I hit it.
Yep. Have to look around. Turns out I hit a sprinkler head out there somewhere anyway. Oh well.
Evening Tim & Christy. That tooth bar really does the trick. Take care and God bless.
Thanks Ron!
Use to pull up stumps with a sub soiler many years with our old kabota. It didn't have a loader unfortunately, but that frame was solid on the sub soiler and a good chain helped pull upwards.
The tooth bar was definitely the right choice, but you never know how a piece of equipment will work until you give it a try. I wonder how the new grapple would be on a job similar to this.
Good job Tim and Christy.
I'm sure the grapple would have worked....but I can't imagine anything being more efficient than what we chose.
It is nice to see Grass, when we have 1.5 feet of Snow on Ground and -25 C outside!!!
Tim if you could find a old box spring springs only king size. Drag it behind the R you can forget about the raking. It will level it out really smooth.
When dealing with roots and stumps, I have found the pallet forks to do amazing things.
Yep. Forks are great!
Tractor Time Time- I grind stumps professionally. Many stump grinders lack attention to detail, and don't work with the customers end goal in mind. If I had tackled those stumps and knew the end goal of the customer (I always ask), I would have ground the core of the stumps completely out first, then moved those excess chips off to the side with a mini skid. Then I would have ground up the entire root area, and then compressed/flattened that area afterwards. I may have also offered hauling away of the excess chips, and putting down a turf grade topsoil in the area. The problem is not with stump grinding, it is a lack of communication, the overall quality of the work, and a lack of foresight about what the customer actually wants and is willing to pay for.
Much agree with the no to stump grinding thought.
I don’t think I have ever seen that old logo that’s on your shirt. That’s neat
Nice video. Loaders are for loading. Rippers are for ripping. A broken shear pin or bent ripper is much less than a bent bucket or loader arms. Soften it up with the ripper. Lift it out with the tooth bar. If you want proof look at my slightly bent skid steer arms.
I love my kubota bx 2680 can’t wait for Extras
Underrated tractor for underrated roots. Had that been an oak tree you would have lost the war and the battle.
Flip that receiver over to get the ripper up higher and spread the top and bottom bolts out on the ripper so you stop breaking them
The ripper is better for pulling the roots and breaking it up but the tooth bar is good for picking the roots and clay. Good job Tim
Love the video's Tim. Has a person in construction I would hate to see you take a flying object in the eyes while tilling, so I can continue to to enjoy your great content please wear that nice eye protection on your hat while Johnny's throwing dirt. :-) You have inspired me to enjoy my Johnny every time I'm in the seat. Has a Great Canadian would say....Keep your stick on the ice :-)
You should work out a TTWT discount with a flip flop manufacturer since so many of your customers wear them on the job site.
That tooth bar on the bucket is a pretty good tool!
You and your mother seem to get along well
Just curious if that area that you moved the dirt from ever settled below grade. Tilling reduces the density of the earth so much, almost like fluffing a pillow so a lot of settling should be expected. A roller or vibratory compactor is a great way to figure out what the finished elevation will be. Great vid though and love the tooth bar! You and your wife have great chemistry too! Cheers
Tim knows his stuff
Thanks for watching!
Get those stump grinder shavings mixed in well with the soil for some extra fertilizer.
I have a heavy hitch tooth bar on order. I can't wait to give it a try.
Yes, please be patient. Sorry about the delay. Supplier issues. These things are selling like hot cakes!
You’ll love it once you get it.
Tim, better to use the ripper prior to tilling HARD SOD. It should be easier on the tiller and Johnny. Or you can use JACK the Ripper to allow standing water to seep down into the ground. It just won't go as deep as a subsoiler would. But Johnny isn't quite big enough to use a category 1 subsoiler.
I’ve been looking at maybe getting a Pirhana bar but for this application I think that tooth bar was much more effective
I think you’ll love the HH toothbar. I love the aggressive approach.
Leaving those wire baskets on your trees will eventually kill the tree. Use a pair of bolt cutter and clip the wire baskets all the way to the bottom then use a utility knife to score the root ball so the roots will expand out from the tree. I have had to go back and remove countless trees that have died from not removing those baskets.
But you may leave the baskets at the bottom but yes you are 100% right you gotta cut root baskets remove burlap and slice the roots but if you cut the wire you dont have to remove it may lay flat on the bottom
Don Hanson yep, right on the money
no wonder the trees died, the root balls were all tied up with wire etc good job
Tim nice video for the comparison of two tools. Not mentioned at all is a root grapple which could have well done the job as well as the tooth bar and had a better ability to shake the earth off and carry the roots and debris. I would like you to comment on that so others will know there is another option for this work. You certainly did a great job on the project, but some viewers may only consider your two options you chose for this project comparison.
We can’t show everything in one episode. Hopefully folks will watch more of our videos.
Sometimes digging out the stump isn't practical. My nephew does stump grinding, and his average stump is 48 inches or larger, and tends to work in a lot of fences backyards or sloped yards. Last job he did involved 14 stumps from 10-36 inches in diameter, but all but 3 were on a 30 degree slope leading into a lake.
You are correct.
Tooth bar did very good. I think the ripper tooth you needed to extend the top link to kind of curl the bottom of the tooth closer to the tractor.
But again the tooth bar did perfect
Good video have you considered a drag harrow? One side has hooks that clears grass etc. after prepping area with that side you flip it over and drag it to smooth the dirt like the do at baseball fields and horse tracks. You can get them at tractor supply. Beats the heck out of using a steel rake!
Makes sense.
I've ripped much bigger stumps of 100s of trees using a single tine ripper. But that tiny thing you used is No ripper. tbh it's little more than a chisel tine.
I think your bucket and teeth were great for this job because the root balls were so small but I doubt you'd cope with actual tree roots.
The secret to ripping trees is to run the ripper on 3-4 sides of the stump, breaking the roots and finally twisting the whole stump out of the ground. Works a treat.
No wonder you guys have 100,000+ subscribers.
If you have HARD clay, the ripper works better to start and you have to work slower. Also, you can put the ripper lower on the 1023 / 1025 if you install on the front and pull. The front allows you to dig if needed to pull root out. Teeth are great if dirt not hard. I have had success with both depending on the kind of ground I am working. I also have a fork shovel that helps penetrate deep under a stump. Ground I saw there seemed loose where tootbar should work better.
Mighty Moe Excavating digs stumps! Good job Tim and Johnny
thanks John!
I sure wish I could afford one of those tooth bars. They do a heckuva good job. I’ve got a project I could use em on right now.
Toothbar is good value. Makes the tractor seem more powerful.
First rule of a subsoiler, big bag of sheer bolts. You will always run out. If you have a pallet of them, you will still run out before the end of the day in hard soil.
People don't realize how trees grow there are as many roots underground as there are limbs above the ground
When he was starting with that ripper bar I was thinking that seems like a lot of torque and leverage to be applying to one single bolt. There are multiple holes, so why not put bolts in 2 or 3 to spread the load out?
I would have dropped the tines on my box blade to rip out those wire. 4 tines vs 1 and no shear pins. When the finance committee approves the purchase of a box blade, i highly recommend the Frontier BB1048. It's a great match for my 1025R.
Happy new year to you all and happy new year to all your subscribes
Happy New Year to you, Mike!
Good eye on the darker grass
Thanks for video Tim / Casey like it .
Thanks for your videos, they helped to convince me and the wife that a tractor could be useful around the house and for helping people out. I am excited my tractor will be delivered Thursday or Friday. Already getting the todo list going. I did go with Kubota though had a real good dealer and it was a close decision but the new features of the BX23s swayed me.
Walt
Nice tractor! You will love it. Congratulations!
immolder I got a Bx23s about 5 months ago and love it
It came in last Friday and it has been so much fun, my hydraulic shovel and powered wheelbarrow. Moved a bunch of stone and Box bladed the driveway, and moved some wood. Now going to set up the rototiller to set up a flower bed for spring. Got some horse manure and compost to richen the soil. I have already got 7 hours on it.
Walt
I love comments like this. Someone else having as much fun with their tractor as I do!
Tractor Time with Tim oh Tim, in the very rare occupancies that I get bored then I just go out and get on the tractor and may just go out to the field and till what i tilled a few weeks ago and I’ve found the tractor is probably the best therapist or phsycologist a man could ever schedule an appointment with. Thank you for the great video brother, hope you keep them coming!
Rippers are better for breaking up hard ground and rocky ground
Yep.
Spring tooth harrow should work for that job. But I don't know if Johnny is big enough to pull one.
Learn something with ever show I watch...
Thanks for watching, David!
finally...you got me as your subscriber...i love John Deere and i love the USA...these are the easy reasons...greetz from germany. ;)
After all these years you finally gave in? Why now? ...anyway, welcome!
you mean "all these years" because of my many comments? i dont know, just watched some vids once i found one but was never so excited to subscribe but now i watch to many of your videos so i had to subsciribe.:D
Yea. I just remember a lot of comments. I thought I saw you on GTT as well, right?
Anyway just making small talk. Thanks for making the commitment to join the TTWT family!
mmh, its late here in germany maybe i'am a little tired..but what is GTT?
Well, I think I’m showing my confusion. GTT means GreenTractorTalk.com.
For some reason, I thought I had seen your posts there.
I’m sorry for any confusion. Wish I had kept my fingers off of the keyboard!
Anyway, my first response was intended as a ‘warm welcome’.
Love all your videos you should try out a power rake for smoothing yards they work fantastic.
maybe someday!
One thing that help was the ground was dry
when she pulled the rock I was thinking Wisconsin.
a lot of great information thanks for sharing the video
My brother lives next to a golf course and he ends up with lots of golf balls that he takes to the driving range. After God, his country, his wife and family he loves his golfing. Never much cared for pasture pool myself. :)
Just wanted to say thanks for all the great videos this year and cant wait to see whats in store for 2018. It would be great if you could review a Curtis or Taktite backhoe comparable cab. I love the Original Cab Co. video and would love for one of the others to send you a cab for you to review. I and for sure going to get a hard cab but i am just not sure between the two at this point and could use some TTWT video input. Its cold in Michigan and really want a cab for my 1025r.
I'll talk to my friends at Curtis about this. I don't really need a cab, but like you say, it would be helpful to our viewers to have a hands on installation/review of a good solid cab.
hey tim i have just started watching tractor time with tim i enjoy it very much i am going to buy a compact tractor when i get home from my deployment a mahindra max 26 i have 4 arces to take care of I live in mendenhall miss
Welcome aboard!
Thanks for your service to our country!
Terry Burnett did you get a tractor?
It looks like a Toothbar is in my future :)
Same here -- I gotta get one, too. Without a tooth bar, the FEL bucket is pretty limited for ground engagement work.
I Bought two of the bxpanded tooth bars after seeing them here and my guys love them on both the 1025r and 3033r
Never heard it called a Ripper. To me, it's a chisel plow used to get deep into the subsoil. Used for gardening not roots removal.
if it works for root removal then let it be used for that
The toothbar beat the ripper! Great video!
Yep.
Nice job!
Just got toothbar from heavy hitch. Sure wish I would have bought it when you did. $530 for Green 61" ouch....
Crazy isn’t it!?! I just heard that steel is going up again!!…even more!!
Stump bucket on a large frame skid steer would make short work of most stumps...
Bought the toothbar for my scut, piranha. Well worth the money
Piranha Bar was best money I spent on my tractor!!
Did you cut a tree down, then stump ground it, then used toothbar to rip up roots because the tiller can't handle it?
Surprises me how little whine from the hydro.. not the case for a lot of other subcompacts/compacts.
Now that would have been a perfect Casey job from the get go....digging out the trees to initial cleanup followed by the tiller, pack, final grade and seed.
Lucky that was dry clay as that made the tooth bar excel on this job...but shows how no job is ever the same and having various tools in the tool box allows for efficient use of time.
Just need a Harley rake to speed up final finish work hahahaaha
And great Job Tim in mentioning how good the lawn looked, healthy tall weed free green grass...not scalped yellow brown infested ugly...
Sounds like you are describing MY yard :-(. I killed the grass this summer with too much crabgrass preventer
Love your videos!
I think the two bolts on the ripper are too close together, resulting in excessive force on them. I'd drill out more holes on the shank if there weren't anymore below.
What in the rootin toot are those roots from?
good job
Great video, I have 2 neglected acres I have to address.
Hmm. That sounds like lots of work.
Another great job ttwt and johnny!!! As far as the grinding or digging up of stumps it really depends on what type of tree or evergreen you are dealing with and the age of said tree or evergreen. As far as what he had there those spruces where really not mature yet and I agree with you we would of dug those out ourselves rather than having them ground up. but when it comes to older trees like maples,ash,oak,hickory and so on that are 20+ years old that's when I think having them gro9und is a better choice. But i think he wasted money having those stumps ground up They were not that large of diameter and i can tell the guy that ground them didn't go very deep. God Bless and a happy and prosperous 2018 to TTWT and the whole family!!!
You are right. I should have expanded my comments. It is simply not practical to dig out huge mature stumps.
Boy that was a lot of wire to dig up ! The tooth bar did a great job and i dont think the ripper would of help here do to all the wire if it was just roots it may have worked ? But you guys did a great job on it ! take care and have a Happy new years ! Curt :-)
Happy New Year!
Nice to see the tooth bar has all it's teeth after all our tough jobs. Did you finish this project with the soil pulverizer? It looked like that power you used at the end didn't quite fit your hand very well.
Right. But it only took a couple of minutes.
We didn't have the pulverizer along.
What brand tiller is that? Looks very similar to the one I bought a few months ago and I absolutely love it so far. Wish I had your tractor set up also, I really need a front loader like yours.
Great video, thanks for taking the time to make it for us, take care!!
King Kutter TG XB-48. We have MANY videos with it.
How did you start doing all your projects? I just bought (waiting on the deere dealer to get evrything in) a 2021 2038r with a 60inch box blade and forks. I already had a 62inch frontier tiller
Thanks Tim. The toothbar seems much more appropriate than the ripper and as you said, the toothbar could specifically target tough areas. You have curling power with the bucket. The Ripper only has pulling power of tractor.
Oh man I see a major problem. Putting that dirt so close to the house cause termites if not removed very quickly.
Just curious why you left it exactly level? Will it not start becoming a hole after rain and traffic going through the area? I thought it was supposed to be just a tad high because of that , but I’m definitely not a pro...
Really surprised that shear bolt broke so easily. Looks like they buried fencing. You mentioned the bolt being tighter maybe causing it to break easier. Unless you overtightened it I wouldn't think it being snug would make it easier to break. Early in the video I couldn't hear if you asked about buried lines or electrical, just guessing that's what you were discussing?
Really? You couldn't hear that discussion? What type of speakers do you have?
Tractor Time with Tim it wasn't your video it was my environment here
Ok. I've been getting some comments about our audio quality.
We have good speakers on our tv where we typically watch YT. Sounds great there.
...and yes, we were discussing the utilities. None nearby, he had it marked/cleared before the stump grinders came out.
a BIG FAN of digging my stumps out also, and then burning them, no burying them here, no way will i bury cement, etc, on my land. nope-not gonna happen. jeepers-that was not a good sign of that bolt breaking at all. glad i got something a little bit different for mine.
Shear bolt intended to break upon too much stress. I'm assuming we hit that wire.
Tim, I watched your video several times over the months to consider what type root buster I'd like for my tractor FEL. I thought about the ripper but after seeing that shear bolt easily snap, it was clear that the ripper is fine for small areas but I will be clearing a larger area with many roots. The Heavy Hitch tooth-bar seems to be a better choice. Thanks again for the video and Happy 4th of July.
You’ll love the toothbar. Very flexible tool!
I grew up with rippers and needed a handful of shear bolts for every day we use it. I mean it worked and we had it on hand. I became a middle aged man before I got my first loader so I might be a bit old school
Tim, if you were to level a yard what would you use. Yard is open with no trees, small hill on right side to center. Left slopes left to center. So it's \/... only a 1 to 2" drop per 5 feet or so.
When dry enough to work, I would typically want to till, maybe let it set a day or two for grass to die....then till again.
Then, use my soil pulverizer to do the final grading. This packs the soil while allowing you to move it.
Does that make sense? You can see me playing with my soil pulverizer in our garden. ...but I have not yet had a good customer opportunity to use it, so no good REAL PROJECT videos.
Does this help?
Tractor Time with Tim yeah total sense. I was looking into a box blade, and my toothbar to scar it up also. Thanks!!
That toothbar is a great deal more aggressive than the one I got from John Deere. What do you use to pack down the dirt after seeding so there is not a mud bath after it rains?
I have a soil pulverizer.