Best Flat Shooting Cartridge; 270 or 25-06?
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2022
- So which is the best flat shooting hunting cartridge the 270 Winchester or the 25-06 Remington? After last weeks comparison of the Ruger No1 Chambered in 270 Win and the TC Encore Pro Hunter chambered in 25-06 we thought we needed to take a look at these 2 cartridges.
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25-06 hands down. Kills like lightning!
I’ve seen lightning strike a person and let me tell ya, the 25-06 is not in the same league
Cheers
.270 doesn't turn for a twig
Lighting doesnt kill most the time statistically 😂
@@tomdavis3038 lol that’s a bad day 😂
The 25-06 is definitely lightning ⚡🌩️ I really do agree with that statement, but the thunder of the 270 Winchester has been winning hearts since 1925 and is still going strong today. Both are versatile, both are deadly, and each one has their place in history of our hunting heritage. My Uncle Charles has hunted all over from Kansas to California and even Alaska and he loves his 25-06 it's the little brother to the well know 270 and 30-06. Since I have a Ruger Number One and a Weatherby Vanguard chambered in 270 Winchester and untold boxes of ammo you know where my heart lies. That's not to say if a great deal on a fine rifle happens along in the 25-06 I wouldn't jump on it in a heartbeat!
I have both but the 25/06 is my favorite!
From Wyoming, used the 25-06 on everything from prairie dogs to a bull moose. Accurate, and using 120 grain Nosler Partitions, a one shot killer on the moose and elk. It will do anything a 270 will do, with less noise and recoil.
I own both, and if I had to make a one shot kill it would be my 25-06. My best shot on a whitetail was 660 yards with a Remington 700 BDL with my 25-06 shooting a 100 gr Remington CoreLok. Bad to da bone.
So far as shooting, the 25-06 is my favorite round, however the versatility of the 30-06 sold me on it.
I inherited a Browning Semi-auto in .25-06. Absolutely love the round, haven’t used it for anything other than coyotes, which it works great for. I own a Savage Model 116 in .270win, which I’ve used for everything. Wonderful all around performer, especially when shooting longer ranges. I gotta vote for the .270win with my history with it. Love y’all’s vids, keep ‘em comin!
I prefer the 30-06 for elk but the 25-06 is the best western mule deer and antelope gun I have ever used
In our current economic times, I would go with the 270 win just based off of availability and cost.
It's a good reason. A friend who does not reload also gave me about 3 boxes worth of .270 Win. brass, years ago, I'm still using. Fortunately I had 100 rounds of remington .25-06 brass I also bought years ago. 50 rounds unopened.
I don't shoot a lot, so I'm in good shape. If I need it I have it.
I just got a 270 around here 25-06 is almost impossible to find
@@chuckydubree1925 Have found a supply of .25-06 Remington Core Lokt, so some is seeping through the shortage, at least at the store I frequent. It's all 120gr, though and my rifle shoots 115 gr Nosler ballistic tips better. .270 is great. Can't make a mistake going for that one.
Lame. Just order a carton. No problem.
In the old school of bigger is better, I have to go with the 270...but as I get older..I also believe in specialty cartridges...and your right, SC has one of the all-time greats in rifle building, Kenny Jarrett, he still guarantees .5 MOA for anything under .30 caliber and .70 for anything over .30 caliber. Loved the history of both cartridges and glad you mentioned Col. Whelen, who is kind of a hero of mine... a great video and Joey is a natural.....BTW Jarrett is one of the few left you can actually get a wood stock still.
Man, if manufacturers started offering .25-06's with faster twist rates (for Blackjack Ace 131gr) this "antique" cartridge would send shudders throughout the shooting community.
You hearing me SAVAGE? You guys have got the best reputation for development, out of the box accuracy, and pricing so the average Joe doesn't have to spend an arm and leg to get a shooter.
If they did 6.5 would be a thing of the past lol
I've thought that for awhile, someone needs the create 25 06 with longer bullets
@@jonnyweaver1912 I doubt it will happen in a factory rifle. There aren’t enough people shooting .25-06s, let alone .25-06 shooters who actually handload and want to shoot longer bullets. The .270 is a different story, though, and Browning is releasing a fast-twist .270 model to their x-bolt line.
Great video! As I get older, less recoil is preferred. I've owned a couple of 270s and a couple of 30-06s. The 30-06 with 180 grain bullets isn't much fun to shoot. I've been using a 243 and a 30-30 for deer hunting. The 243 really impresses me and doesn't kick much at all but I think longer shots would be better with a 25-06 or a 270. I've heard that close shots with a 270 have caused excessive meat damage. Is this also the case with the 25-06? I've been thinking that the 30-06 with lighter bullets can mimick the 270. Any thoughts?
Thanks again for a very informative and entertaining video. It’s obvious that you both are comfortable with each other and Joey seems to be more comfortable in front of the camera. As far as the two cartridges are concerned, I have always been a .270 guy, especially hunting deer on the open prairie in South Dakota. Out here, the 25-06 is kind of a niche cartridge designed to hunt pronghorn antelope at long range. Both are great cartridges, but the .270 reigns supreme in my opinion. Thanks again guys!
25-06 Kicks like a 243, shoots as flat as a 22-250. kills like a 270!!! I love mine. 100 grain ttsx hits like Thor's hammer!
Gentleman, I recently discovered your channel and I really enjoyed this edition. You have perfectly summed up what I have often thought about the 25-06. It is just not a very versatile cartridge. I've been shooting a 270 Winchester for almost 50 years and it's never failed me, but if I absolutely could have only one center fire rifle I would certainly consider the 25-06 for my general locale and hunting opportunities. Here in Kansas we can have close shots at Whitetails in the creek bottoms and river valleys or 400 yards+ shots across bean fields or the canyons in the big pastures of the Flint Hills and the Smoky Hills in eastern and central Kansas or the Gypsum Hills of south central Kansas. We have Prong Horns, White Tails, Mule Deer and Elk in western Kansas. There are a few Mule Deer where I live in the central part of the state.
We have coyotes and Bob Cats everywhere. If pelt damage or safety is not a concern, the 25-06 is great for predator control and general varmint hunting. The reason I mention safety is that I don't know of any 25 caliber highly frangible bullets like those available for the various 22 caliber rifles. Nosler does list one 25 caliber 85 grain varmint bullet and a 120 grain Partition which with a carefully placed lung shot at a reasonable distance could do the job on elk but it's not something I would want to try. There's just not enough room for error. If you start a 120 grain 25-06 at around 2900 fps and a 150 grain 270 at about the same velocity, at 200 yards down range with roughly equal BC their trajectory is pretty much identical but the 270 will have 300 more ft pounds of remaining energy, so like you, for the bigger stuff I'm going to have to vote for the 270.
Fortunately I don't have to limit myself to just one rifle. Besides, what fun would that be?!🤔 Unfortunately, due to age and health my hunting is very limited these days but I have a disease that makes me keep buying new rifles, shotguns and pistols. It's a terrible affliction!😅 I have rifles from .224 caliber to .458. Currently I'm having a 257 Roberts built so that I can walk out the back door on my farm and find out if the BOB is as perfect a deer rifle as Jack O'Connor and others have said that it is. Happy hunting boys and girls! 😄
wonderful discussion. I could listen to this type of material all day. I'd love to see more caliber comparison videos. Thanks.
We're planning on doing other discussions just like this in the future for cartridges and rifles.
270 is great. 25-06 is a cartridge that has been overlooked. Love my savage 110 in 25-06. My favorite rifle
Love my remington 700 sendero 25-06!
I've never owned a Sendero but I sure did admire them when they came out and I still hope to get one in the future. And bet that is nice in a 25/06!
25.06 is great gun I have shot big red stags here at home in New Zealand with it dose the job great
I've owned both rifles for a long time. I'm 43 and got my 25-06 for Christmas when I was 15. It has killed every deer and antelope that i have harvested since then. Plus countless coyotes and rock chucks. AND 2 elk! When I can't decide on which rifle to grab, I grab it. Always have, probably always will. I got my 270 when I was 19. I have NOT used it to shoot 1 animal. I ALWAYS grab my 25-06 first. 25-06 is easily my favorite cartridge, followed by the 22-250. I will say this.....I also love a 270. There is a reason it is so popular. It can be argued that it is the most economical, versatile, and ballistically impressive cartridge ever made (excluding their parent 30-06).....until recent history possibly. I personally think a 280 (another child of 30-06) is better than a 270, just because of near identical ballistic performance to the 270, but with better bullet selection. But Remington screwed the marketing pooch on that one....several times, and it never caught on. All that said, I happen to love my 25-06 more! My 270 is a safe queen, and is in pretty much brand new condition. But that is not the fault of the cartridge or the rifle. My vote.... an easy one for 25-06!
Practically the same round in my estimation. These days I’m often reminded of John Kingsley-Heath’s quote regarding Americans’ fascination with calibers of near identical characteristics, “There is little difference in killing power between a .375 H&H and a 6mm (.243) and absolutely none between a 30-06 and a 7mm Remington Magnum.” And that most certainly holds true of the .270 and 25-06.
One advantage, is bullet selection. If I had my "rathers," it would be a 7 mm (like the 7-08 or the 7mm Mauser, just due to the range of available bullet weights. Then go for load development for your purpose.
I agree 100%
The fact that a .270W loaded with the right bullet can stay neck and neck with a 6.5PRC with nearly 100 years of innovation between them speaks volumes.
In fact a 145gn .277 ELDX over 56gns of H4831SC/AR2213SC fired at 2900fps from a 22in barrel can stay above 1800fps for 650m at sea level and deliver over 1100ft/lbs of energy with less recoil then a .308. This in a cartridge with a top 10 availability. In a light accurate package without the need for a muzzle brake, for mountain hunting, I call that ideal.
I recently took a Rusa doe at 409m/2200fps with this combination, She ran about 80m and the bullet functioned perfectly.
I also have a mate that used to guide in NZ for Red deer, Thar and Chamois he owns one rifle. It’s a .25-06
To each his own, Salam
I think you gentleman described the differences spot on. I have a 25-06 in a Browning A-Bolt that I bought specifically for deer and antelope in Montana and I have never lost an animal with it with only one needing more than one shot. That said, I'd never consider taking it for Elk, a 270 with a 150 is way more effective. You are correct that the 25-06 is a light skinned critter killer and it does it extremely well at distance and it hasn't failed me. Thanks!
With premium bullets, the 25-06 will take moose and elk cleanly! A friend of mine used his 25-06 on grizzly bear north of Ft. St. John B.C. His largest bear took 2 shots. It isn't so much what you shoot, but how well you shoot it! Personally, I shoot a 338 WM for elk and moose, and a 30-06 for deer.
I love my Ruger M77 25-06.
25-06! My family started using the wildcat version on mule deer in central Utah back in the 50's. Me and my Dad heard so many stories of my great uncle laying deer out with his 25-06, that is what we both use today. We shoot Ackley Improved versions now with 133 gr bullets going 3050 FPS. Its a whole new level.
I couldn't decide, so I have both.
Do you shoot a deer with one, set it down and shoot the same deer with the other caliber? Akimbo?
Great discussion! Ive owned both the 270 and 2506 and there both great. I only have 2 rifles these days so i use the 2506 in more open areas and my 3030 in deeper cover areas here in TN. They both have worked well but my biggest buck was with 2506 so its my fave lol. Love your videos !
In the eastern US that’s heavily wooded with underbrush I also use the old 30-30. I works just fine.
Cheers
I own both rifles, definitely prefer my 25-06. I live in south ga and that it’s my go to round.
Thank you both for this discussion. I have my light 270WIN hunting rifle and it is versatile enough to cover deer and elk without much trouble. The reality for me is that I am not likely to ever hunt elk, although it has been a dream. The 25-06 is a heck of great looking round and I believe that if I had one I'd be killing the same deer with it too. My 270 just has always made a lot of sense overall. Accurate, easy to shoot, effective, manageable, and available everywhere. I really can't say that for the 25-06 as easily but I know that those who have it love the 25-06. God bless.
Growing up, I always thought I would one day own a 25/06.
Published as the best all-around cartridge for Australian conditions.
Now 46 years young I realise my father's 303/25 is all I need to get it done.
I hunt with boys who shoot the venerable .270 but am yet to see a 25/06. Just too expensive here.
my first rifle was a 257 roberts. What a great rifle that was shooting 100 great and 87 grain bullets. I found I needed something bigger so on with a 30.06 where the 150 gr bullet was used. As time went on I felt the recoil on the 30.06 was to great so my uncle recommended a 25.06. I found myself back with the 100 grain bullet and how flat it shot with much lower recoil. After Dad died I obtained his 270 and I see why he loved it. The 130 gr bullet performs well however, the recoil is greater than the 25.06.
Today I use the 257 at home where I neck shoot culls on shots under 100 yds. I use the 30.06 for hogs and it does well. I use the 270 when I am in a tight blind for the 25.06 is two inches longer. However, for long-range south Texas sendero hunting give me my 25.06.
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Calvin Snyder, Waco Texas
I think the .270 is better for deer, 25 06 is better for varmints. I also believe that the .280 is best all around but Jack OConner didn't write about it.
Ooh, I like that hot take! Remington did a poor job marketing the .280, but yeah, it is a more versatile cartridge. Tighter twist rate really gives an outsized advantage over the .270. I have a .270, and a 7mm-08, which I admit is probably a silly redundancy, but the 7mm is my go to most thing. 270 I keep as a ready back up on all hunts, but don't get me wrong I really like the cartridge. I probably could have just done without the two had I just gotten a .280, but hey, I love guns. In the land of plenty you can't go wrong.
I just finished Jack O’Connor’s “Big Game Rifle” and he spoke more of the 270 and 3006 more than any other. He used the 270 win the most though. He did speak of a 280 Ross, I believe it came from Europe.
@@tomlarue654 I always think of the 25 06, 270, .280, 30 06, and 35 Whelan as a family of cartridges. They are all good and pretty much modifications of the 30 06. 👍
@@tomlarue654 I always think of the 25 06, 270, .280, 30 06, and 35 Whelan as a family of cartridges. They are all good and pretty much modifications of the 30 06. 👍
Remington started with the 280 called the 7 mm Express then renamed it the 280 Remington. It fill a very small gap between the 270 and 3006 people weren't interested. I have all all three 270 280 and 3006. They all get the job done.
Didn't know you guys were in south carolina!! So am I! I love your channel! Keep up the great content!!
Thanks Danelle, and what part of the state are you from?
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving Rock Hill but I spend most of my time in Greenville because that's where I work!
@@danellebarnette6380 I was born in Rock Hill, but I've lived most of my life in Greenwood.
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving lol wow small world lol
Guys thanks for making this video. I recently inherited my Dad's 25-06. I have had a Remington Model 700 ADL in .270 Winchester that I have owned and shot and hunted with for oh probably 25 years. Dad's story about getting the 25-06, "I walked into the gun store out by where your Mother and I lived. I had $300 in my pocket and thats what they had. It was used. I got the gun and a box of ammo for $300.". It's a Tikka with a synthetic stock with a scope which I have no idea what brand, model it is. I went with him to buy ammo for it for a deer hunt and I told him to stay with factory ammo with a 117-120 grain bullet. He dropped every deer he shot with it.
Good video. I enjoyed it.
had both, the 25-06 in my 1986 Ruger M77 heavy barrel is my all time favorite.
They're both right for me. I have rifles chambered in each. A 25-06 on a Mauser 98 action that my uncle built for my father to serve as both a varmint and deer gun and the .270 I had built using the Interarms Mark X (Mauser 98) action specifically for deer hunting with the option for some larger game should I need it. I have videos on both rifles on my channel as part of my Mauser action series. I have two more Mausers that I need to add to the series, a 7mm-08 and a 7mm Rem Mag, both of these I built myself as I was learning how to put rifles together. Thanks for the discussion. I'm following along on the 03-A3 as I am trying to refinish a stock myself. It's new to me and I've never done this before.
The first rifle I ever bought was a SMLE Mk III in 303, that led me to reloading and a Remington 700 in 30/06, I had lost all that great bullet performance without penciling deer or destroying meat. A friend of mine suggested a 270 as an all around big game rifle so I traded for a used Winchester 70 in 270. I was very happy with that rifle and 130's but the varmint fields were calling and I ran into a beautiful Ruger M77 in 25/06 with the 24" #2 heavy barrel, needless to say it came home with me. I was shooting woodchucks at ranges I would have never seemed conceivable 2 years before. One day while in the field I spotted a nice 8 point Whitetail in a hedgerow at roughly 130 yards so I let one fly. That round hit just just slightly high and back of the shoulder and dropped that deer DRT, no tracking. The varmint bullet entered and just got past the ribs before before blowing up and taking out both lungs, just purple soup left in there. After 40 years I still have both rifles and the 270 goes when walking and stalking are the expected but that Ruger 25/06 with 117gr Sierra's gets the nod late in the season when it's do or die time and we hit the farm fields to fill the freezers.
The 270 greatly benefits from the extra 2” from a 22” to a 24”. While about all cartridges do, some benefit more than others.
Cheers
@@tomdavis3038 Very true. With the large case capacity of the 270 (30/06) large amounts of a slower burning powder can be loaded and the extra length gives that extra powder needed time to burn and push the bullet harder than say a 308.
Love my Rem 700 in 25-06 bad medicine on whitetail and yotes.
270 for me because I live in Maine and with 150g bullets I can take a moose and shoot deer in the woods at close range without staving them up too bad especially if I back it off a little when loading them. If I had a 25 cal I’d want it to be a 257 Roberts purely for nostalgia.
270 may be the king of deer hunting cartridges,and I love mine,but the 25-06 gets a say in how the kingdom gets run...lol. Got kin that have both,seen them use both at deer camps throughout the years..ought six is proficient for sure.
I’m interested to get into a 25-06 soon and start loading for it. Most of everything I have is 30 caliber and over pistols and revolvers.
The smaller calibers for hunting are a new world
My first rifle was a .270, used it for 25 years but have moved on to the .25/06.
Roy, if you don't mind me asking what are your thoughts on the 25-06 vs the 270 since you have so much experience with both?
@@TomRiverSimpleLivingLove these timeless debates over which cartridges are the best and why. Joey is a great addition to the channel, I doubt whitetail or mule deer could tell the difference between these two classics,the 25-06 is easier on the shoulder but the 270 is certainly easier to find ammo for these day’s, I have more experience with the 270 but wouldn’t hesitate on either.What are Joey’s favorite bullets for whitetail hunting with the 243 Winchester ? for example: cup and core, bonded, copper ect… ? Thanks
My savage model 1920 in 250-3000 is just an amazing accurate shooting rifle with its factory lyman 54 peepsight.
I reload with 87gr normas at around 2900 feet per second.
Both are great and will serve any deer hunter well. But I vote for the 25-06. There is just something about a quarter bore, you just have to use one to know what I mean. Flat shooting low recoil and kills deer like lightning what’s not to love.
And that's what I meant when I said specialized cartridges tend to be really good at what they're made for. I'm also with you on the 1/4 bore, mine just happens to be 257 Roberts.
Well, I don’t love the low b.c. bullets or the meat destruction on deer shot at close ranges. I don’t like that it’s basically a one-trick pony. It’s good for shooting deer or pronghorn in the open country. Folks like to say it’s a great dual purpose rifle for use on varmints in addition to deer…but I find that most people shooting varmints or predators tend to have a .223 or .22-250 lying about for that purpose. Besides, a .243 or .270 will fill that fabled “dual purpose” role just as ably. The .270 will do the same thing the .25-06 will, but will do it better while offering effectiveness on game outside of the .25-05’s performance parameters.
25-06 is regionally popular rather than nationzlly.. I estimate having a writer as a fan (O'Connor) helped the 270 immensely.
But the 25-06 has a big following in the pacific north west of the US. It's huge in Oregon. While neither are likely to ever sell as often as the 30-06 or 308, they are remarkably common. Anything that can take coyote, pronghorn, deer, and Elk is a great utility caliber
Today I pick the .270 Win
But i have been a 25 06 fan in the passed still am.
I have a 6mm06 that's deadly on whitetail with 95 grain nosler partion.
I have two 2506 with a win 120 grain bullet is a great gun for deer also have two in 270 both great deer guns for me that's all I hunt other than hogs both good for them
I have favoured my Sako A-III in .270 Winchester over all other calibers for Mule & Whitetail deer hunting for the last 30 Years. After recently picking up a Sako A-III in 25-06 Remington I found out very quickly that I had been missing out using such a fantastic deer cartridge as the 25-06. Both rifles are very accurate though the 25-06 shoots slightly smaller groups (1/2” at 100 yds) and both are the same weight. That said, I now honestly doubt if I would want to be without either of these Deer Slayers. I now use the .270 on mule deer hunts and the 25-06 for whitetail. My .243 no longer rides with me on deer hunts, the 25-06 has won me over.
25-06 focuses on the vitals with no meat damage and knocks em flat.
When it came time to replace the barrel on my 25-06 I decided on 270win instead. I figured it’d launch a 120gr bullet at similar velocities but also use the heavier bullets with ease. I had my 270 barrel twisted at 9 to easily handle any practical.277 projectiles. I love it but miss the 25-06 greatly(even though I also have a 243 as well now)
Nothing wrong with a 243 for similar uses as the 25-06.
Cheers
Joey, I remembered your .243 high shoulder shot on whitetail and dropped one at 70 yards with a Ruger M77 Mark II short barrel at 70 yards with Norma Whitetail 100 grain. DRT
25-06 for me
I have been hunting years with big bores or 338 win mag and decided to move down with recoil to the 270 Win. However both my daughters took there first bucks with a 25-06… both great choices
I have one of each and I love them both ❤🎉
Both are fantastic cartridges, but the .270 gets my nod. It’s prolific and ultimately offers more utility as far as effectiveness on a wider range of game animals. Still love the .25-06. I’d like to get my hands on a model 700 CDL in that cartridge.
I bought a brand new Remington 700 CDL in 25-06 when they first came out for a spare in case something ever happens to my older 700 BDL 25-06 but thankfully it's still perfect, so i still have a brand new unfired CLD in the box, but I've had it on my mind too get it out and see how good it shoots but I hate too in another way
Love my 270 love my 25-06. I feel 270 win is overkill for whitetail. Every one we've taken never took another step.
My 223 with a 55 grain bullett has exactly the same trajectory as my 270 with a 130 grain.So who ever started using the term flat shooting ?Ok the 270 25-06 with the greater mass at the same velocity will do more damage.Enjoy your vids keep them coming.
No it doesn’t. They may mimic each other for a few hundred yards, but I guarantee that 130 grain .270 bullet will be much flatter than the 55 grain .223 at 500 yards.
I chose the 25-06 b/c I'm a Deer Man. Nothing wrong with the 270, it's just I've never owned a 270. A many of friends I know luv their 270. Only 1 friend I know has a couple 25-06's & he is a 2nd generation
25-06 deer hunter. I'm 60 yrs old & bought my 1st 25-06 last yr in the form of a Savage Axis II. Now, I'm entertaining getting a Weatherby Vanguard Synthetic in 25-06.
My nephew killed a 400” elk in Colorado in the 2021 season. If you put in the right place it will do the job just fine.
In my humble 60 years hunting I think the 270 is still king but that 25-06 is not very far behind it just a little harder to get ammo for
It sure is and right now especially. There is some ammo to be found but it's expensive and I which we had mentioned that in the video.
And therefore the 270 wins. If fir no other reason that you cannot shoot if you do not have ammo. I sold all my odd calibers when gun prices and demand soared for that very reason. I don’t reload so I’m at the mercy of what I can find, and while I loved my 7mm-08 I made a handsome profit on a gun that I had difficulty finding ammo to feed. I reckon 25-06 is not that easy to find either, although supply has improved recently.
Cheers
I really enjoy both Cartridges, 270win for main deer rifle, 25-06rem for Coyotes and backup deer rifle.
I have the same system, though while my .270 is my primary deer rifle, I’ve chosen a .243 as my backup deer rifle/coyote rifle.
I have a 25-06 Smith & Wesson rifle but I do prefer my 270 but they both get the job done
I started elk and deer hunting as a teen with a 25-06. Two years ago at 47yrs old I got me a 270win and it's far more versatile as it can use 90gr 100 115gr bullets up to 150gr for elk. There's far more factory ammo available for the 270 and a lot of bullets ready for reloading. It's 270win all day every day. It's best to stay with the highly successful cartridges for simplicity and performance. Today that's easily 6.5 creed, 270win, 308win, and 30-06.
If I need to play around with more specialized cartridges I'll use one of my 45-70's or 348win in vintage rifles.
I have a pre 64 270, and a custom weatherby mark v 270 AI, 2 ea 25-284's 2 ea 25-06 AI's 2 ea 25-06's 1 of which in a #1, 2 ea 257 weatherby's a 25-35, 25 WSM, 2 each 25-284's. I think the 25 Calibers kick ass. My 257 Weatherby built on a current model 70 Supergrade with fast twist shoot 133 Bergers just under 3300 FPS is awsome.
I had a 25-06 rem in a rem 700 cdl nice rifle accurate low recoil but just didn’t have the choices in ammo and not available as the 270 win. I have a 270 win in a rem 700 had for over thirty years it’s just more of a big game cartridge than the 25-06.
I have 4 Pro Hunters(7mm08, 25-06, 22-250 and .223)and none shot to their ability without a trigger spring replacement(now much lighter) and a hinge pin change out.. The 7mm08 was a 3" gun out of the box but will now shoot sub 3/4"... My No1B .270 is extremely bullet/load sensitive...
I have both... 2 of my favorites... the only reason I would pick one over the other is that for elk or bigger, 270 is higher grain, for deer, it's 6 of one, half dozen of the other
Got both a 25-06 and a .270 ruger both shoot great fast and flat shooting the 06 is awesome from varmint to deer the .270 is a great deer cartridge there's not been a deer walk away from either one 06 has less recoil and will decapitate a groundhog as well as the .270 it'll make a groundhog disappear, love both.
I believe that for deer it is too close to say one is better than the other is. The difference in bullet choices the 270 wins, in accuracy the 25-06 is often is the easier one to get better accuracy with less trouble. For hunting varmints, both are not good choices for being too powerful and costly to use.
That was my reason for choosing a 280 Remington, more bullet weights and types to select from making it as versatile as a 30-06 and easier to get better accuracy. Loaded with most bullets it is provides near 7-mm Remington Magnum performance with less powder being used. 🤣😂🙂
I like them both.
I own two Ruger No1s, just love the guns. One is in 25-06 and the other is .270. Never really thought about how similar the rounds are. 25 is nice for the low recoil. I like the .270 for the 150 gr loads. I hunt woodlands so short shots the heavier bullets seem the better choice but it’s wild how quick the 25 puts deer down
The very reason Weatherby exists is because he was really into high velocity. One of his first creations the .257 Weatherby Magnum is one of the flattest shooting rifles I know of. The .300 Weatherby Mag. was called the flattest shooting cartridge for a long time.
Well, I couldn't make up my mind so I got both. Really, I got the .25.06 in a Stevens 200 and ordered a 24 inch barrel to replace the 22 inch and stuck a Timney trigger on it. Later I found a Mossberg 4X4 in .270 so jumped on that. I like them both.
I think about 1/3 of the comments so far have been similar to yours CBSBASS and they have both. That has been surprising.
And it sounds like two nice setups there. It's been years since I shot a Stevens and I'm glad Savage keeps producing them.
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving I think they dropped the Stevens (rifles) in favor of the Axis line. So, I may have to look for the Stevens 200s on the used market. I generally get them for the actions then build off of them. But I may just go with finding a model 70 featherweight or order a custom from Shaw, since the use Savage actions some as a base and I can get a wood stock. I really would like at least one Winchester 70 though. I don't know who wouldn't. :)
The 270 also loves a nice long barrel
Cheers
Was going to get a second .25.06 but ammo is really hard to find so will probably get a .270
@@danmorris8594 .270 is a fine choice. .25-06 components are also hard to find. Remington puts some ammo out but they are very proud of it, charging about $20 more than .270. They also charge about $30 more for my .32 Win Spl and 7X57 , so I have to go with handloads or other brands. It;s as if the .25-06 is going the way of the .257 Roberts and .250 Savage. I mostly like mine for the moderate recoil. With a recent diagnosis of osteoporosis, recoil is my enemy. I have to use a recoil pad with the .32 special. It kicks worse than my .270. AND HAS A METAL BUTTPLATE. :)
The 2506 is my most favorite round
I have both and they are great in their own way. 25 06 is great for LG varmint, antelope and deer. I would use it on Elk with the right bullet at the right distance, 250 yds and under. 270 will do all that plus step up to Moose with right bullet at the right distance.
Elk are tougher than moose! Either the 270 or the 25-06 will take both cleanly if you shoot well! A premium bullet will help greatly when hunting truly large game. As an all around rifle, I would choose the 270 over the 25-06.
Tom for me its the 270 for my Uncle it's the 2506. We both have our share of successful hunts.
2 rifles - 25-06 and the 35-06 (Whelen) and you cover everything in North America. All from one affordable case.
A friend from high school his dad built him a 25-06 ackley improved and his brother got 270 ackley. Him and his brother since they were both each 5 have they have had 5 barrels installed now there 27. There dad made sure they shot at least every weekend
Do you read your comments before you post them?
I live out west and hunt deer I have to go with the 2506 Remington
I own both, because I just like to own many rifles. I live in Tucson, AZ and hunt Coues whitetail. For that, my .25-'06 shooting 117 grain Hornady Superformance factory SST bullets is the gold standard (and now looking forward to trying new CX load that is wicked fast). Ample energy at distance for a Coues deer, literally will spin and anchor a standing Coues buck, and less recoil than .270. I love my .270 in a Savage 110 American Classic rifle with 150 grain bullets for humping up northern AZ mountains for elk. .270 is more versatile if you could only have one.
I own both also! I think there’s a big difference in felt recoil between the 270 and 25/06! I notice the recoil from the 270 quit a bit more! Could just be me I don’t know 🤷🏻♂️
@@patrickgallagher4344 Tha ks Patrick, no, it's not your imagination, the .25 to me is noticeably softer and easier to shoot. But I do love both rifles. Cheers!
25-06 120 gr Remington PSPCL and IMR 4350 works great for me.
I have to go with the 270 due to availability and versatility but no doubt the 25-06 is a fantastic deer cartridge, where I hunt in Texas we have small 130lbs deer but 300+lbs hogs and on those hogs if I could only have one rifle I would have to have the go with the larger caliber, not saying that the 25 cal could not do the job just the the 27 caliber does it better. If I could have a dozen different rifles for ever condition the 25-06 would certainly make the list.
Here is rifle calibers by sale popularity and 2506 and 270 are neck and neck I believe TX and SD drives a lot of this.
Here is ordered list of calibers based on current sales:
22LR
223 Remington
308 Winchester
6.5 Creedmoor
30-06 Springfield
300 Win Mag
6.5 PRC
22-250 Remington
7mm Rem Mag
300 PRC
6.8 Western
7mm-08
300 WSM
270 Winchester
25-06
243 Winchester
I love my 25-06. Flat shooter. I use it for nearly everything. For larger game for which the 25-06 is a bit too light, I use my 7mm Rem Mag, another flat shooter. Joe
Joe, a 25-06 and 7mag for bigger game sounds like a pretty good combination to me. My friend Joe hunted for years with a 243 and took many deer with it but then went to a 7mag for distance and he took an awful lot of deer with it also. All great cartridges.
An old friend of the family told me, you only needed one cartridge " 270 Win " and he killed plenty of game
big & small.............. I've never owned a 270, but have owned two 25-06 Rem...to each there own !!
I have a 270 ina Marlin, shoots great, haven't killed anything yet,but I also have a 25_06 Rem with a 26 in Shelin air gauge number 4,that I have killed quite a few deer,100 grain Scharroco11 53.1 R L 19 2 same hole 100 yrds
The cartridges perform insanely similar. 117gr 25-06 compared to 130gr .270 function within 8-10% of each other ballistically. In terms of hard numbers, the widest spread you'll find between the two, is recoil... where the .270 inefficiency rears its head with almost 50% free energy. 270 also requires a longer cycle length and higher mass in autoloaders.
Personally, I prefer 25-06. It's a slightly more efficient cartridge, and the availability of 80gr hollow points for varmints means a guaranteed 1-shot kill on virtually anything weghing less than 100lbs... even if the wind knocks you off a couple inches.
Want to hunt elk? 125gr Sierra Boattail and keep it under 250-300 yards. Higher elevations can stretch it to 400 or so.
The .25-06 is not a “slightly more efficient cartridge” than the .270. Both are soft kickers, and the .270 absolutely widens the performance gap while utilizing 140-150 grain bullets. Also, even with modern bonded or monolithic bullets, the .25-06 is not a reliable performer on elk. Say what you will and prefer what you like, but the .270 unquestionably offers a lot more capability for larger game.
i love my 2506 h&r single shot bull barrel
Me too love my handi rifle
I gotta say 270 but the truth is I’ve always wanted and have been looking for a m77 25-06
Hi Tom, I really appreciate what you’re doing, how about something on the .264 Winchester mag?
Obviously, the 270 Win is more versatile so it gets my vote, but my 7mm 08 will do the same thing at 400 yards just not quite as flat. That didn't stop me from wanting the 270, though. I prefer hand loading the 257 Roberts to get nearly the same performance of the 25 06 with a lot less powder and a much shorter barrel. They're all a ton of fun and I think we should try every one of them if we have the chance!
And I'm trying my best to try them all Roger! LOL
And I have to say I'm partial to the 257 Roberts myself.
7mm-08 is a caliber I used to have and it was great but it didn’t do anything the 270 could not do and the ammo got too difficulty I find
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Growing up in the 60's and early 70's when I became mature enough to hunt I had 1 name for the 270, "track em down". I seen more deer that either was never recovered or was found 100's or yards away from where the deer was shot. I hated that caliber. I would of gladly to of hunted with a sling shot had it of been legal. Funny that I own one now and love it. Why the love affair now? Technology!!! Better bullets. This is just my opinion but I am now recovering every game animal I'm now squeezing the trigger on. Not saying everyone else wasn't having good results. A few of my friends and relatives wasn't. Perfect shot placement on 95% I could be wrong but that's just my 2 cents. Be blessed 🙌
If using the appropriate type of bullet the animal doesn’t know what caliber you’re using. If I recall there was an era where the 270 bullets that we’re in common use did not expand properly on an animal the size of a whitetail deer. I’m not quite old enough to remember but I thought that was sorted out in the 50’s……
The Federal 130 grain soft points I’ve always used expanded well so I’ve not had this problem but what you speak of i have heard. The catch is (there’s always a catch) that I don’t think it was a problem exclusive to the 270. I also remember reading that the published muzzle velocities of the 270 are from a 24” or 26” barrel and the more common 20”-22” barrels on hunting guns produced significantly lower velocities and that affected bullet selection and performance. I prefer the 270 because I have one and I have tons of ammunition so it works for me.
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Totally agree Tom. I'm not sure what the deal was I just despised the 270 back in the day. For sure it wasn't the caliber. 270 is a excellent choice. Since I was a youngster (60 now) and to this day I have toated a 243. Love it. Some people despise that caliber to this day. "It's too small of a grain bullet". Well, 52 years and have recovered every critter I have pulled the trigger on with the 243 with 80% of them rolling up their landing gear and going straight down. Took me to having to borrow a 270 after my son grab the wrong box of ammo on a hunting trip and it smoked 2 deer so I short of warmed up to it and over time I bought one. No regrets. Anyway, be blessed 🙌
I have the 25.06 in a Thompson Center Rifle and love it.
The Creedmoores is killing em both
Roy Weatherby chambered his rifles in the ,257and .270 Weatherby calibers in the mid 1940's, way before the .270 Winchester or 25-06 were popular factory rifles.
Both love my rem 700 270 win and my savage 2506 both are devastating on deer. Cant pick one or the other to be better
There are 1:7.5" and 1:8" (.257) Barrels already being made for the 25-06 now!
Already there are 133gr Hunting and 135gr Target bullets being made by Berger.
Those tighter twists Barrels just might be able to tame some 140+ grain bullets... 🤔
That would be nice!
Ruger #1 25-06 bought in 1983
I want a bit of a wild cat. Been considering 7-08. And currently made 800rnds of 300aac. They pass the case guage. I don't Evan own a gun to shoot it.
I have begun an interest in the odd ones.
In 25/06 federal fusion 120grn. Are a good choice, good BC's.
Like y'all said, no loser, but the .270 just does everything the .25-06 does and a lot more. It's just more capable. Both great cartridges though, can't go wrong with either.
I personally think the 270 is not quite good enough for the Sambar deer we have here in Australia (which are very close to elk size wise) though many have been successfully taken with it. Interestingly, it is the minimum calibre permitted here in Victoria for the Sambar and I think that minimum caliber requirement is there for a good reason.
I actually prefer the 338 Win Mag for Sambar but would use a 30-06 quite happily too, and I believe that animals of that size and vitality really need to be hit with a 30 cal at least given their exceptional toughness and ability to absorb a hit.
Of course a 25-06 will kill a Sambar if it is put into the right spot, but so will a 243 if it comes to that. However, there must come a point where you have to say this is just not enough gun if you want to knock your deer down emphatically and humanely.