You know provided the crew was able to get off the boat safely, having her on the bottom of Superior would deprive the cutters torch from removing her from existence.
This will be an economic decision for those with a stake in it, based on available information and good risk management. Expert CZcams commenters are a fantastic source of wisdom, given their wisdom and the high barriers to entry.
But who knows, there might be a metallurgist among the commenters who knows that metal fatigue can set in after 72 years, and that the crack is a sign that it has.
🎶Michipcotenhas been sailing the lakes, longer than Mitch has been pickin cotton…🎶 come on you know the words, sing with me. (It’s just the closest thing that rhymes, nothing more).
I've been a certified welder for a military contractor for years Metal fatigue is bad news you can replace the damage piece but the integrity of the rest of ship is kind of in question
@@dbdouglas It not the SS Alpena, a 519-foot cement carrier and the M/V Lee A. Tregurtha both built in 1942 is still earning an honest living on the lakes today. The Arthur M Andersen is 72 or 73 years old and continues to earn a living on the lakes. The SS Badger is a passenger ferry and the last of the Coal powered ships on the lakes is in her mid 70’s.
At this point a ship like this is family to some, it is going to come down to be if all the systems are still serviceable, is the skilled merchant mariners to keep the ship operational?
I have an 86 year old wooden workboat that still plies its trade. Better than new plastic boats. She has a leak, too. It's a part of the oak chine log that has softened and loosened and now water is coming in around it. Instead of destroying such an amazing piece of engineering I hired a diver to patch the hull with some epoxy. I made an appointment to haul her out of the water. Guess what the next step is? I'll give you a hint: it involves a carpenter and not a chainsaw. As long as the potential economic return is higher than the cost of repair and the cost of replacement is greater than the cost of upkeep, then the surveyor will be equipped with X-rays and an ultrasonic scanner to find and mark the stressed sections of her hull. The welders will follow to cut those plates away, reinforce her skeleton where needed, and weld in new plates and replace aging plumbing. There also is a problem right now with building a new ship to last another 70 years and that is the question of powering it. We are at a phase out point with fossil fuels and don't yet have a clear winner for the kind of high power concentration energy source needed to push a boat this size. A very good argument for refurbishing her until that question is answered.
You, sir, are 100% correct. Don't mind the ill-advised, uneducated, "IMO" commenters. BTW...My vote would be for nuclear power!!! For all the uneducated...nuclear power is as safe as the AC power running in your house. After all, they have nuclear powered submarines, don't they? As far as the "disposal" argument goes, Voyager 1 has made it 14.5 billion miles away from Earth.
The question is not whether this specific (and serious) damage can be repaired, that's pretty routine work for most shipyards. Of real concern is that this crack may be evidence of wider structural failure. You can't UT the entire hull economically so you survey a pattern but with a massive hull that's undergone decades of compression and tension to become fatigued it may not be found by your survey. A crack that serious in another location or another time could sink the ship.
Would you want to be on that bucket when it breaks in half in the middle of Lake Superior? That's what almost happened a week ago, the sound of the steel cracking was so loud and instantaneous that the crew thought they had collided with something.
Whatever will be decided will be best, but it would be wonderful if they could repair and return her to work as a “roctogenarian” (people who don’t stop because they’re “at the age”) I guess, being busy and at the same age, I am appreciative of that possibility. 😉
Given the lack of attention given to her by Algoma up until now (even before the crack she was clearly in rough shape), I would be highly surprised if they put the $$ into making her seagoing again rather than selling her for scrap.
It will boil down to money ! cost to rehab vs how much she can make the owners after refit . Unless the owner has a close personal connection to the ship money may not be a factor .either way business will take its course…..good luck…I’m 2 years older then the ship ,spent some time in dry dock myself and still fit to keep underway . I hope they can keep her working !….🇺🇸…..
If the owner had a personal connection to her she wouldn't have been neglected as she has. A fresh coat of paint would have at least shown some interest in her. They just worked the crap out of her and only thought about fixing after it broke.
It's standard procedure for any working vessel that's had a distress situation revealing hull damage. She's a functional, active working vessel in the shipping industry, so there's no special treatment or cover-up at work here. She may be 72 years old, but still has high potential for successful repair & return to service. Be positive people!
Let's dump the "Oh save her" and be glad all hands were not lost. If it had been rough when she cracked, it would have been a tragedy caused by neglect. The lives of the crew are far more important than fixing an old rust bucket.
@@ConrailQuality775 You would rather see a neglected rust bucket sink, killing all the crew, devistating the families of loosing loved ones? Is that what your saying? That crew was lucky beyond compare, if she had been in weather when this happened, she would have broke up in no time, killing all. Her time has past, neglect by many owners trying to make every penny out of her, not maintaining the ship, playing the odds with people's lives.
Serious inspection and testing is in order. Condemning American sailors to use ancient junk is corporate greed and approving of that selfish entertainment seeking. It's a handsome vessel that served its purpose but steel fatigues and if one portion fails other areas of similar age are suspect. Welders, machinists and other metalworkers understand metal on a different level than the general public. The shipyard inspection will tell the tale. Ships are either scrapped in time or they fail with all the consequences of failure and the Great Lakes are no place for a worn out vessel (except on the bottom where FAFO takes on a whole new watery meaning). American shipyards need to build ships to remain able to build ships so vessel turnover is a GOOD thing, especially for the dedicated sailors who take them into harm's way. Build a Michipoten to replace that one and continue the maritime legacy in style.
The greatest ship in history, the US United States in Philadelphia needs a new home. I'd love to see it brought to Michigan and turned into a museum hotel like the Queen Mary. Would be alot of work, but the citizens of Michigan would be more than capable.
Given that this ship's owner is Algoma know for scrapping its ships after running them until they fail I'm positive another ship will be deleted from their fleet of rust buckets ! If it wasn't for Algoma the Port Colborne scrap yard would be closed ?
What’s the demand for shipping lately? If they need the shipping capacity and there aren’t any mothballed ships available she may get what she needs. Also, what’s the price of scrap steel, is it high? Anyways, best wishes for her.
She is scrap metal now, to expensive to refit and and replace the plates. If she is fixed the ship owner is taking on a huge responsibility if she goes down. This isn’t the first time the Michipicoten had cracks in her hull.
It’s cracked on the outside but what about the inside how much more damage is there I am not so optimistic about the boats future but I am hoping for the best
I don't know the math, but I wonder how many GPM would have been flowing in with the damage done? (1/4" x 13' with whatever the water pressure would be)
Is it possible to cut out and replace the center of the ship? Seems like that is where the metal fatigue is most like have an issue. assuming the engines and navigational systems have been well cared for and are serviceable.
Sad or not a certainty in life is nothing lasts forever. She's had a great run. I believe she will be deemed a safety issue for which repairs will be too costly and impractical to justify. Time to let her go. Sentimentality doesn't pay bills.
If she is repaired, she would probably be one of the most seaworthy (don’t think lakeworthy is a word) vessels on the lakes. Unless they overlook other issues.
Doesn't this company have a ship sitting in Toledo they are doing nothing with right now? The plan at one time was to recover her to replace Mississagi, then the project was put on hold. Perhaps it could replace Cuyahoga or Michipicoten if necessary?
Seadog, where are you from? I'm listening to your accent and wondering. I'm from southern Ohio and we also have an accent all our own. I don't mean this in a bad way. I truly don't. 🙋♀️. Have a great evening.
I am hopeful that she's going to be fixed up properly and go on to many more seasons of fruitful endeavors. I know she's old but they aren't building true Lakers anymore and it seems a shame.
This is flip.a coin yes.the survey most be inside i bet is lots more suprise due load and tilt one side hard on steel.hope for but owner made own call.😮
Theirs been a lot of ships that were scraped that didn't have any cracks and met their fate,S.T. Crapo didn't have any cracks, and that ship is gone, I guess when other countries need military equipment we start scraping anything and everything,I believe the Michipicoten is done and fate is coming soon 😿🙀🐈⬛🐈♎
@@Seadog-News ya for sure. Just getting a bit curious. Superior is my hometown. Lived right across the freeway from Fraser on Weeks Ave from 1973-77. You could just about throw a rock and hit Fraser’s property. Used to be tons of lakers and salties stopping in there for work.
Did we ever learn what the ship hit and why it hit anything if it was in proper shipping lanes? Any chance it was a "stress fracture"? Thanks for the update.
I said it before....this ship is over 70 years old and metal fatigue has taken place. This ship should be retired permanently before something really bad happens.
The quality of the steel used to construct her is suspect. Hydrogen Embrittlement is the potential problem. Vacuum treating is used when you need high quality steel.
Ever owned anything made of steel? Ever had a new sidewalk put in? Do you live in a snowy climate where they "salt" the roads? Was/is your electrical utility company generating electricity with coal? Do you eat foods made with flour? Sorry...You're "affected".
I care about the old boats. But ultimately saftey is most important. People are more important..this boat looks rough which tells me they haven't been keeping up on routine maintenance. I dont want to see her scrapped but why chance it?
"Totalled"? The "crack" was reportedly 1/2" wide and around 13' long. That boat is 699' long. It's comparable to someone shoving a screwdriver into the skin of the door on your car. Although it took on water, THAT damage is completely repairable. If there is OTHER damage or metal fatigue, after 72 years of service, they may elect to not repair it. But, that "scratch" alone would not "total" it.
@@ffemtx47a 13 foot long crack in the major structural member of the vessel is in no way akin to a scratch on your arm 😂 Think more like a cracked foundation under a skyscraper. In other words, you get on her first 👋🏼
@@FaustoTheBoozehound It was in the outer skin, between that and the inner structure. It took on water in the ballast tanks. Those tanks a sectioned. Hence, the example I'd given on the "door skin".
She didn’t ground. It was first reported that it hit something. But after the preliminary inspection they think the steel failed. So now they don’t think there was any collision (or allision) involved.
She didn't actually hit anything. The initial reports of a potential hull strike were wrong, and comments about her being run into the ground are referring to her work schedule and overall rough appearance
If she was a seagoing hull the only thing to do with her was pick which wrecking yard was going to get the job of scrapping her. The salt water's corrosiveness means a salt water hull needs retiring from hauling long before you reach 72 years of service.
I’m fine..
That is awesome, thanks for letting us know.
@@Seadog-NewsHey of course broski, I appreciate that, and also the pin, thank you so much! 🤍🩵
Any chance of seeing pictures of the crack ?? ✌️🇬🇧
@@markthompson9914 that's very intimate
@@collectorguy3919 Isn't that a me too violation? 🤣
Hey! I'm 77 and would like to be saved!! 😂😊 Wait and see time!! So happy she did not sink...AND. that the crew was okay!!
You know provided the crew was able to get off the boat safely, having her on the bottom of Superior would deprive the cutters torch from removing her from existence.
Beautiful old ship. I'm sure they want to save her. I hope that she or the Alpena will be preserved. Hopefully, both.
Would be awesome to see the pictures of the crack 👍
Be nice to see the damaged area, I will keep an eye out for some pictures.
I bet the company officials and insurance company lawyers are doing their flat out best to make certain nobody ever sees pictures of that crack.
@@davidfischer5945
I don’t doubt it mate 👍
I'm gonna need a dozen 55 gallon barrels of JB Weld!!! 😮 and the biggest spatula you can find!!!
And a thousand rolls of Flex Tape!
😂😂
This will be an economic decision for those with a stake in it, based on available information and good risk management. Expert CZcams commenters are a fantastic source of wisdom, given their wisdom and the high barriers to entry.
But who knows, there might be a metallurgist among the commenters who knows that metal fatigue can set in after 72 years, and that the crack is a sign that it has.
So appreciative for the updates and all your posts!
Thank God she didn’t go down because it would be tough writing a song with her name (it’s a joke people)
The legend lives on from the michipicoton on down..... easy peasy
🎶Michipcotenhas been sailing the lakes, longer than Mitch has been pickin cotton…🎶 come on you know the words, sing with me. (It’s just the closest thing that rhymes, nothing more).
@@johnandrews3568
:the michipacoten has gone down ! "
Easy peasey
Same number of syllables as Edmund Fitzgerald...
Thanks for the continuing updates.
I would think after seventy two years, metal fatigue would be something to consider.
I've been a certified welder for a military contractor for years Metal fatigue is bad news you can replace the damage piece but the integrity of the rest of ship is kind of in question
That's what I keep saying on all of my comments on the various videos about this ship. It should be retired before something really bad happens.
The years alone don't tell the whole story. Much depends upon how hard her captains ran her, and if maintenance was kept up to date.
Thank you. Honesty beats waffle, any day of the week. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
P.S. I have subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
Are used to load her all the time at the Marblehead quarry. I was a dock operator always a bunch of good guys on that ship
70 yrs on the lakes, she has had a very productive life. Time to let her rest.
I wonder if anyone knows if that's a record for length of service?
It's not. I forget the exact name, but eb Ford maybe did 90 years
@@NickFortier 90 years, wowza. Thanks!
@@dbdouglas It not the SS Alpena, a 519-foot cement carrier and the M/V Lee A. Tregurtha both built in 1942 is still earning an honest living on the lakes today. The Arthur M Andersen is 72 or 73 years old and continues to earn a living on the lakes. The SS Badger is a passenger ferry and the last of the Coal powered ships on the lakes is in her mid 70’s.
At this point a ship like this is family to some, it is going to come down to be if all the systems are still serviceable, is the skilled merchant mariners to keep the ship operational?
She is a handsome vessel!
Rise again gray lady!
I have an 86 year old wooden workboat that still plies its trade. Better than new plastic boats. She has a leak, too. It's a part of the oak chine log that has softened and loosened and now water is coming in around it. Instead of destroying such an amazing piece of engineering I hired a diver to patch the hull with some epoxy. I made an appointment to haul her out of the water.
Guess what the next step is? I'll give you a hint: it involves a carpenter and not a chainsaw.
As long as the potential economic return is higher than the cost of repair and the cost of replacement is greater than the cost of upkeep, then the surveyor will be equipped with X-rays and an ultrasonic scanner to find and mark the stressed sections of her hull. The welders will follow to cut those plates away, reinforce her skeleton where needed, and weld in new plates and replace aging plumbing.
There also is a problem right now with building a new ship to last another 70 years and that is the question of powering it. We are at a phase out point with fossil fuels and don't yet have a clear winner for the kind of high power concentration energy source needed to push a boat this size. A very good argument for refurbishing her until that question is answered.
Thanks for you calm, lucid, reasoned commentary.
And it's going to be a long time before a dense enough energy source is found to replace fossil fuels.
Maintaining a ship like this seems like a labor of love of ship craft on the industrial level.
You, sir, are 100% correct. Don't mind the ill-advised, uneducated, "IMO" commenters.
BTW...My vote would be for nuclear power!!!
For all the uneducated...nuclear power is as safe as the AC power running in your house. After all, they have nuclear powered submarines, don't they? As far as the "disposal" argument goes, Voyager 1 has made it 14.5 billion miles away from Earth.
The question is not whether this specific (and serious) damage can be repaired, that's pretty routine work for most shipyards. Of real concern is that this crack may be evidence of wider structural failure. You can't UT the entire hull economically so you survey a pattern but with a massive hull that's undergone decades of compression and tension to become fatigued it may not be found by your survey. A crack that serious in another location or another time could sink the ship.
Thanks so much for the update. Do you have any news on the Cuyahoga too 😊
If it can be safely fixed it's a the right place Fraiser shipyard knows it's business
Thanks for the update...
Hope they can repair and get her back sailing again.
Fantastic to see these steamers running
Ballast tanks are corroded inside. No paint protecting the steel in there. Good for salvage parts.
Have you been inside it
Thank you for the update.
I am totally amazed that it cracked that big of an opening and stopped! Thankful that it did.
Let’s hope they decide to repair the Michipicoten. It would be sad to lose another fine looking lake freighter.
Would you want to be on that bucket when it breaks in half in the middle of Lake Superior? That's what almost happened a week ago, the sound of the steel cracking was so loud and instantaneous that the crew thought they had collided with something.
Whatever will be decided will be best, but it would be wonderful if they could repair and return her to work as a “roctogenarian” (people who don’t stop because they’re “at the age”) I guess, being busy and at the same age, I am appreciative of that possibility. 😉
Given the lack of attention given to her by Algoma up until now (even before the crack she was clearly in rough shape), I would be highly surprised if they put the $$ into making her seagoing again rather than selling her for scrap.
She’s not a Algoma boat. Lower Lakes Towing is who ran her into the ground. Sad to see her in this shape.
It will boil down to money ! cost to rehab vs how much she can make the owners after refit . Unless the owner has a close personal connection to the ship money may not be a factor .either way business will take its course…..good luck…I’m 2 years older then the ship ,spent some time in dry dock myself and still fit to keep underway . I hope they can keep her working !….🇺🇸…..
If the owner had a personal connection to her she wouldn't have been neglected as she has.
A fresh coat of paint would have at least shown some interest in her. They just worked the crap out of her and only thought about fixing after it broke.
@@donmunro144 good point !…
It's interesting she was put in drydock so quickly.
The dry dock closed down last year due to lack of business.
Fraser Shipyard has an open drydock with available workers. The shipping company needs to resolve things and time is money.
It's standard procedure for any working vessel that's had a distress situation revealing hull damage. She's a functional, active working vessel in the shipping industry, so there's no special treatment or cover-up at work here.
She may be 72 years old, but still has high potential for successful repair & return to service.
Be positive people!
@@jamesthompson8008 Hi James. Fraser is a top notch reputable shipyard. I'm sure the right decisions will be made. Hoping for the best.
@@chuckg6039Fraser won’t be making the decision,The USCG will.
Wow! Frasier ship yards, isn't that the same ship yards the Fitzgerald was built in?
No. The Fitz was built in the River Rouge Shipyard south of Detroit near Zug Island, that is between Lake St. Claire and Lake Erie.
Great Lakes engineering works @@timothynewton4453
no it was built at the Glew at River Rouge
My bad I forgot
Let's dump the "Oh save her" and be glad all hands were not lost. If it had been rough when she cracked, it would have been a tragedy caused by neglect. The lives of the crew are far more important than fixing an old rust bucket.
people dont realize these boats are tools for a job and ware out
Nostalgia is a drug for old farts
what an absolutely asinine comment.
@@ConrailQuality775 You would rather see a neglected rust bucket sink, killing all the crew, devistating the families of loosing loved ones? Is that what your saying?
That crew was lucky beyond compare, if she had been in weather when this happened, she would have broke up in no time, killing all.
Her time has past, neglect by many owners trying to make every penny out of her, not maintaining the ship, playing the odds with people's lives.
She was lucky,this time...next time..?
Serious inspection and testing is in order. Condemning American sailors to use ancient junk is corporate greed and approving of that selfish entertainment seeking. It's a handsome vessel that served its purpose but steel fatigues and if one portion fails other areas of similar age are suspect. Welders, machinists and other metalworkers understand metal on a different level than the general public. The shipyard inspection will tell the tale.
Ships are either scrapped in time or they fail with all the consequences of failure and the Great Lakes are no place for a worn out vessel (except on the bottom where FAFO takes on a whole new watery meaning). American shipyards need to build ships to remain able to build ships so vessel turnover is a GOOD thing, especially for the dedicated sailors who take them into harm's way. Build a Michipoten to replace that one and continue the maritime legacy in style.
We can’t make everything a museum, recycle the steel into a new ship
I would guess they would ultra sound the ship looking for stress cracks. Similar to what is done to boilers.
The greatest ship in history, the US United States in Philadelphia needs a new home. I'd love to see it brought to Michigan and turned into a museum hotel like the Queen Mary. Would be alot of work, but the citizens of Michigan would be more than capable.
Given that this ship's owner is Algoma know for scrapping its ships after running them until they fail I'm positive another ship will be deleted from their fleet of rust buckets ! If it wasn't for Algoma the Port Colborne scrap yard would be closed ?
The owner is Lower Lakes Towing. Not Algoma.
Lower Lakes Towing, Algoma would have scrapped it years ago.
Thank you for the update. BTW, 'Fraser' is the correct spelling. No letter 'i' in the name. Thank you. 😎
Thank you.
What’s the demand for shipping lately? If they need the shipping capacity and there aren’t any mothballed ships available she may get what she needs. Also, what’s the price of scrap steel, is it high? Anyways, best wishes for her.
She is scrap metal now, to expensive to refit and and replace the plates. If she is fixed the ship owner is taking on a huge responsibility if she goes down. This isn’t the first time the Michipicoten had cracks in her hull.
It’s cracked on the outside but what about the inside how much more damage is there
I am not so optimistic about the boats future but I am hoping for the best
Looks just like the Edmond Fitzgerald
Thinking the same.
I wonder how many rolls of Flex Tape that’s going to take.
I don't know the math, but I wonder how many GPM would have been flowing in with the damage done? (1/4" x 13' with whatever the water pressure would be)
Is it possible to cut out and replace the center of the ship? Seems like that is where the metal fatigue is most like have an issue. assuming the engines and navigational systems have been well cared for and are serviceable.
Sad or not a certainty in life is nothing lasts forever. She's had a great run. I believe she will be deemed a safety issue for which repairs will be too costly and impractical to justify. Time to let her go. Sentimentality doesn't pay bills.
Why not turn her into a museum or some such?
why not upgrade her and make her stronger. keep her going.
Not sure I'd want to ship out on her after this.
What gave you 100 percent confidence that being out on open water that you were safe anyway?
If she is repaired, she would probably be one of the most seaworthy (don’t think lakeworthy is a word) vessels on the lakes. Unless they overlook other issues.
RIP
Would be nice to see her become a museum ship and not scrapped like a lot of people here seem to be calling for.
Not calling for it, but its the probable outcome. No one wants another moldy museum ship, the younger generation doesn't care.
Repair her and continue on her way !!!!!
RIP old rust bucket. 🪣
What is it with all these companies on the Great Lakes running ships until they're busting at the seams from lack of proper maintenance?
Some people in this comment section are bitter, angry, judgemental and altogether clueless. And they vote 😢
Some? It's the human condition that you're describing.
@@collectorguy3919 wow. Yeah, it is.
What are you reading my guy?
...like 95% of them..
What comment section are you reading?.......
Doesn't this company have a ship sitting in Toledo they are doing nothing with right now? The plan at one time was to recover her to replace Mississagi, then the project was put on hold. Perhaps it could replace Cuyahoga or Michipicoten if necessary?
That's "repower"
Seadog, where are you from? I'm listening to your accent and wondering. I'm from southern Ohio and we also have an accent all our own. I don't mean this in a bad way. I truly don't. 🙋♀️. Have a great evening.
I am from Canada.
I am hopeful that she's going to be fixed up properly and go on to many more seasons of fruitful endeavors. I know she's old but they aren't building true Lakers anymore and it seems a shame.
This is flip.a coin yes.the survey most be inside i bet is lots more suprise due load and tilt one side hard on steel.hope for but owner made own call.😮
I can’t believe it’s still in service. Probably time to recycle.
I think she's seen her last paying trip -- she's been rode hard and nearly put away wet!
Hows she going to get to India for breaking?
Retire her
Theirs been a lot of ships that were scraped that didn't have any cracks and met their fate,S.T. Crapo didn't have any cracks, and that ship is gone, I guess when other countries need military equipment we start scraping anything and everything,I believe the Michipicoten is done and fate is coming soon 😿🙀🐈⬛🐈♎
Is it still full loaded?
No, they took her cargo off while she was in Thunder Bay.
Goodbye Old Friend
They need another reef in the lake or ship out out to the ocean to make another Reef for the fish and coral.
Any news from Fraser yet?
I have not seen anything yet, might be hard for anyone to get access, but the news will come out soon I am sure.
@@Seadog-News ya for sure. Just getting a bit curious. Superior is my hometown. Lived right across the freeway from Fraser on Weeks Ave from 1973-77. You could just about throw a rock and hit Fraser’s property. Used to be tons of lakers and salties stopping in there for work.
Did we ever learn what the ship hit and why it hit anything if it was in proper shipping lanes? Any chance it was a "stress fracture"? Thanks for the update.
She didn’t hit anything, her hull split open. Sounds like the stress of all those years afloat took it’s toll.
I said it before....this ship is over 70 years old and metal fatigue has taken place. This ship should be retired permanently before something really bad happens.
The quality of the steel used to construct her is suspect. Hydrogen Embrittlement is the potential problem. Vacuum treating is used when you need high quality steel.
I'm not affected. but I'm not optimistic.
Ever owned anything made of steel? Ever had a new sidewalk put in? Do you live in a snowy climate where they "salt" the roads? Was/is your electrical utility company generating electricity with coal? Do you eat foods made with flour?
Sorry...You're "affected".
Do the ship still have her cargo ?
no, it was offloaded to another ship when it was in Thunder Bay
They sure dont make them like this now a days
Why do people always say that like they made better stuff in the past? Yes, they don’t make them that way anymore. They make them much bigger.
Theres a lot of peopple who care about these old boats
I care about the old boats. But ultimately saftey is most important. People are more important..this boat looks rough which tells me they haven't been keeping up on routine maintenance. I dont want to see her scrapped but why chance it?
@@jasonduke3608I can’t believe how rough some of these boats look. Obviously esthetics do not mean much on the Great Lakes. Paint…
She totaled
"Totalled"? The "crack" was reportedly 1/2" wide and around 13' long. That boat is 699' long. It's comparable to someone shoving a screwdriver into the skin of the door on your car. Although it took on water, THAT damage is completely repairable. If there is OTHER damage or metal fatigue, after 72 years of service, they may elect to not repair it. But, that "scratch" alone would not "total" it.
@@ffemtx47a 13 foot long crack in the major structural member of the vessel is in no way akin to a scratch on your arm 😂 Think more like a cracked foundation under a skyscraper. In other words, you get on her first 👋🏼
@@FaustoTheBoozehound It was in the outer skin, between that and the inner structure. It took on water in the ballast tanks. Those tanks a sectioned. Hence, the example I'd given on the "door skin".
Razorblades
I would hope the location she grounded was noted so it could be marked as a hazard to navigation.
She didn’t ground. It was first reported that it hit something. But after the preliminary inspection they think the steel failed. So now they don’t think there was any collision (or allision) involved.
She didn't actually hit anything. The initial reports of a potential hull strike were wrong, and comments about her being run into the ground are referring to her work schedule and overall rough appearance
‘Dewatered”? Really?
I work in the water industry. We use the term "dewatered" a lot.
Unwatered?
The term dewatered is correct. I work with boiler systems and we dewater the boiler.
If she was a seagoing hull the only thing to do with her was pick which wrecking yard was going to get the job of scrapping her. The salt water's corrosiveness means a salt water hull needs retiring from hauling long before you reach 72 years of service.
It’s a lake freighter.
Please credit the original photographers who took the photos. They are not your pictures.
*_Scrap…._*
Pronounced Mishipicoten ,
no Mitch in it,, ever ,,
Too much publicity .
I think her time has come to be recycled . The great lakes are hard on these big boats