Difference between a pace, stepping pace, and smooth gait/saddle rack
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I'm not a horse-person but I was reading the novel 'Lonesome Dove (by Larry McMurtry) and I came across the term "a pacing horse". I had no idea what the term meant so thank you kindly for this informative video clip.
That's exactly why I looked it up, and now I'm confused because Jake was riding a pacing horse for the smoother ride. She's saying pacing is the bumpier ride.
@@JFL92989 Excellent point.
@@JFL92989 very late but anyways... ive been told paces are uncomfortable to ride but i guess it depends on the horse. i've ridden a horse that could pace and it felt very comfortable, but then so was any gait on him. he never really picks up his feet so his pace doesn't jostle you around at all. depends on the horse.
Same here, Blue Duck
same 5 years later
I am so glad you did this. I have been looking at more and more gaited horse videos but had a hard time distinguishing the gaites. This has helped me a bit and I appreciate it. You really need to hear it to tell.
Hearing it is for sure one of the best ways!
I have an Icelandic...It's fascinating to see how other gaited horses move!
This video was the best I have seen, thank you.
You are very welcome!
I can't believe how many are trying to sell horses & they have no idea how to differentiate between the stepping pace & a 4 beat gait. I hope more people watch your videos. If you are selling a horse it should be doing a 4 beat gait & not a stepping pace.
The question is are people ignorant or are they lying?
@@IvyS I really think that in most cases it probably is ignorance.
Fascinating! Thanks a lot for explaining this so clearly. The slowed down clips really helped. I never knew horses had different paces!
Wow! I just discovered your videos and man are you a life saver, I have a seven year old Tennessee Walking Horse Mare who has never been trained to gait and is most likely pacing when I speed her up an your training videos along with some other articles I've found have really taught me a lot about what I need to do to train her to Running Walk and Rack. 😀
Okay, I cracked up at pucka pucka pucka. 😆
Several very nice videos lately showing the various gaits. Many folks think that the pace is smooth to ride; others, like me, disagree and think it's bumpy.
Its usually not used for riding but sulky racing...so it doesn't need to be smooth.
it is smooth , their is a difrence between the hard pace standardbreds do and the showy smooth stepping pace for trail riding
The *tendency* to get pacey can be seen in classes for 5-gaited horses at shows instead of a true slow-gait or rack. If I were judging such a class, I'd look at the rider of each entry to see if they're bumping or bouncing. If so, the horse has mixed a bit of pacing in his routine; it's very hard on a horse to rack for very long.
This is so interesting! Here in Brazil there is a horse breed called “ Manga larga” that does this “ rack gait”. Apparently is very confortable for the horse rider.
Yes, that's almost certainly the same gait.
We had a horse who was an ex pacer (racehorse) and he paced on the flat. Smooth as silk.
Very informative. Thank you!!!
Thanks for this very clear video!
tysm this is actually really good!
I have a Tennessee walking horse and this will be awsome to watch and see
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HI! TY for your wonderful videos they really help me understand the different paces. I do have a question. How comfortable is it to sit the really fast "rack" you see where people are basically racing their horses to see who can fast rack best? These horses seem like they are really flying and look fairly smooth. Also, why does everyone sit so far back? Thanks!
I think you are talking about flying pace. Flying pace is really bumpy and fast so your seat often gets quere. Many horses would start to gallopp if you'd lean forward so you often see people that sit straight up in the saddle with a tendancy to lean back. In fast tölt or rack you don't need to lean back. It is still comfortable to ride if your horse does an even 4 beat. Actually I've only seen riders that lean back in rack in the USA maybe they think it's cool. Who knows. This horse first does a slow rack and then a fast one. The rider sits totally comfortable not only in the slow rack but also in the fast one: czcams.com/video/ROv1Ukn0OKc/video.html
Pace is uncomfortable to ride because you have a state of total release from the ground and it's more of a two beat gait. here you can see a flying pace czcams.com/video/yq7GZ2Gs7Xw/video.html
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Hello. Thank you for this informative clip!
Which horses are naturally more common to do a saddle rack even under a less experienced rider? All Missouri Foxtrotters I've seen so far have been pacing. Is there an "easier" breed that do a saddle rack?
Maybe a Tennessee Walker.
Some Morgans can rack, but it might not be the easiest thing in the world to find. I would still try to look.
I use to ride a retired Standardbred race horse and I found that the Pace is a LOT more comfortable than a Trot.. The problem was she didn't know how to cantor because she was trained to pace. That is all she did for 20 yrs of her life.. She would go from a pace to a gallop and that was it..
The pace can be more comfortable than the trot. Are you asking about training the canter or about training a better gait?
@@IvyS .. No, I was just saying. She was an older horse about mid 20's that was back in the eighties.. She has sadly passed away since then.. Good horse though.. Very intelligent and I suppose if someone had gotten ahold of her in her younger yrs she would've made a great dressage horse, jumper, great confirmation.. But as it was she was a race horse always in the money..
u can make them learn to lope , i found a book on it they teach them to lope in a diffrent way then regular horses
@@rushellealexandra5243 .. Thank you but the horse went to horse heaven a decade ago..
What a great video!
Great job demonstrating different ways a horse moves...
I'm still trying to grasp the difference between the second and third kind of walk - the "stepping pace" and the "saddle rack".
In both, it seems like there are four distinct beats - back foot, front foot, back foot, front foot. But the third one definitely looks smoother. So what is the real technical difference?
They don’t have even time. Like the gait has a even time so it’s a lot smoother.
Well done!
Are you going to do any training videos on teach your gaited horse to canter?
ok sounds great thanks again and have to
My racking horse Apollo has a hard time racking and I don’t know how to improve it. Any tips?
May I ask what bit you use for your gaited horses ?
What gait does a quarter horse have? This is a great video!
Quarter Horses have the standard walk, trot, canter gaits.
i personally love steping pace because its comfortable
Ivy, do you have a video on how to feel this when you are up on the horse and don't have someone watching?
+irishcas I am working on making a video to help with this. This video might help somewhat, though: czcams.com/video/cSvTzdDXoro/video.html
Would like to know the breed of each horse in video. Hello from Enumclaw, WA
Good idea. I am not opposed to sharing the breed, but to what end? My whole point is that the gaits are taught outside of knowing the horse's breed (unless you are showing). I train the foxtrotter the same way I train the Tennessee walking horse - based on their conformation and natural ability.
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Hi Ivy, do you believe that every gaited horse can be taught to gait smoothly? I saw something recently where a trainer said get rid of high headed horses, they don't have the conformation. I have a walker and I suspect that he is pacing. He holds his head high with that pushed down appearance at the base of his neck. To me he feels smooth but I have no point of reference. I have worked with him for 4 years and he can maintain his gait for 35+ miles in endurance rides, but I worry that riding him in an incorrect conformation over so many competition and conditioning rides will take its toll on his back.
With very few exceptions, yes. I think it is possible for a gaited horse to not gait, but I think that is such a small number and I would never assume that is true for any horse. If he is pacing, he CAN learn to gait. If his head is up, he is probably pacing or doing a stepping pace and, yes, the base of his neck IS going to be pushed down. And yes, this is bad for long term health and can probably be smoother. Can you get a video and email the link to me?
Hey Ivy... thank you so much for your reply. I sent you a PM through facebook. CZcams wouldnt allow me to include a link
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Hi Ivy - could you tell me which type of saddle you use please?
I almost always ride in an Isabel Wintec Dressage saddle. It seems to fit most gaited horses.
Thank you ! Love all your videos btw.
Ah, now I know my little mare is doing a stepping pace, dang. How to get her to do the 4 beat rack? Or can she? My little standardbred girl
lisamarie21169 standardbred only pace trot and singlefoot but to get her to saddle rack put double shoes on both her front feet and put waits on her feet and she will 4 beat after while
Thank you for the advice. I have had bad experiences with shoes in the past, did some research, and feel that my horses are better to stay barefoot. I will just keep trying to improve my communication, and we will be perfectly happy to pace or whatever she is comfortable doing :-).
Lisa Chambers yes im with you i like the pace way better because i like horses to go fast especially my standardbred because there natural gait is a pace but my cousin owns a standardbred that he bought before he got injured now he cant go fast anymore so he stacked his so so she can slow down and stop pacing and start racking because it’s easier to control for him since he cant feel his legs
What do you think about training a gaited horse to trot on cue?
Totally fine to do that! I have a video or two on that on my Facebook page. Ivy's Glide Gait
Ivy Schexnayder thank you! I’ll go check it out!
Ivy Schexnayder I want to do jumping and dressage and possibly cross country and I absolutely love gaited horses and plan on getting one here in a few months!
@@eternalcarnival awesome! Those are all very athletic things. Make sure you get a horse that is built to do those things. I'd encourage you to stay away from Tennessee walking horses as they tend to have weaker hind ends. Be very picky. :)
Ivy Schexnayder what breed would you recommend?
Isn’t the stepping pace what the Tennessee walkers have? I kind of feel bad for all the saddleseat riders that didnt get their like trotting gait(idk what that gait is called)?
Any gaited horse can do this and it isn't correct. Most gaited horses are supposed to do an evenly timed 4 beat gait. The stepping pace is an uneven four beat gait.
@@IvyS Oh this was meant for a different video, I’m so sorry! Lol it was meant for a game and we are getting this breed in game. Sorry for the inconvenience. 😊
Why don’t you want the same pace?
I came here to figure out why my CAT waddled. Something I read online compared the cats leg use as a pacing horse :)
Why don't we want a horse to pace?
My wolfdog paces because wolves tend to do it naturally and also he has back trouble and it's easier on the spine.
What breed is that grey?
Mccurdy plantation horse.
I love horse more then everything. but I can't afford to have .
Saddle rack looks like a slow tölt to me?
Yep
My daughters pony does this and it’s stressful to watch lol how do you train it OUT of a pony :)
A pace looks a lot smoother than a trot.
when did we lose the lightest rider style versus the potato sack style? a riders seat never or as seldom as possible touched the animals back you rode up in your thighs and knees, calves , heels and toe. your hands were the edge of your hand and your forearms. the very least burden in weight or balance made the most and got the best of your mount.even straight down hill and deeply set you rode your thighs not your butt. we were nuts taught by some very old nuts the horse leads you follow. no tack and faced back. that was 4 wheelin. horses loved it. up, down, and across the mountainsides. donkeys you face forward no hanging on to ears mane or tails.
we usually call that two point position. Sitting in the saddle is three-point. Hunters and jumpers do that. And endurance and trail riders for NATRC also. She's demonstrating gaits.
That is a ugly saddle you shouñd do one with a mexican saddle then surch up charros🤠🤠ok?