Are The Mavic 3 Pro Sensors Worth It?
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2023
- The DJI Mavic 3 Pro has 3 cameras with 3 different sensors built in, but how different are they? We show which sensors they have essentially re-used from other drones like the Mini 3 Pro. Not that it's a bad thing..
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1. Looks like the price is going to be roughly $1,900 usd for the drone by itself. This places it close to the original Mavic 3. Considering inflation, etc., that’s not too bad. Definitely a great option for a new Mavic buyer, or an upgrade who is able to sell their current drone for around $1200 (stand alone).
2. The specs for the sensors in this video are correct. What is not mentioned is the possibility of the main MFT sensor being stacked. This could result in substantially better low light. This update is 100% speculation and is not mentioned for this reason. If it is true, that could be great!
3. I’m probably going to do future desk videos with my hands tied behind my back 🤣
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i dont think that Mavic 3 Pro will cost only 1900$ the drone on it self, because the mavic 3 with the 2 camecas costs now 1900€, it costs 400€ more than the Mavic 3 classic, i believe we will see the Mavic 3 Pro about 2200-2400 only the drone by itself...
@@orhankoula1781 wrong, the price is already listed online
@@jasonlee4267 the online store price we’ve seen (converted) is $2020 USD for just the drone. This puts the price roughly between 1900-2050 for US retailers.
@@CliffKajun I have already seen the entire price list online, it went live on a swiss website for 12 hours before being pulled, and yet I was not calling you wrong, i was calling the other commenter on this thread wrong
@@jasonlee4267 thanks for clearing that up lol. I shouldn’t reply before coffee 😅
I have the mavic 3 cine and I won’t upgrade either unless is a full frame camera ❤
Excellent review, Cliff. I'm flying the M3C and the feature I appreciate very much, is the flying time, relative to the AIR 2S. I'll be sticking with the M3C, for all the reasons you mentioned.
you deserve more suns!! amazing content
Thanks for the explanation... Very helpful !!
No problem! Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this video. You did a perfect job at summing up just how I have been feeling lately. That it’s just another ‘gimmick’ to make people feel like they need the latest model when in reality we really don’t. I have the Mavic 3 and it is my go to drone that has replaced all my others. It is far more than I need and I believe the technology is amazing as it was.
Getting better with our current camera > buying new unfamiliar cameras
As a professional, this is dirt cheap to have a drone that can do 24mm, 70mm, and 160mm. I already use the Mavic 3 original daily, and can't wait to pay $2k just to have that extra 70mm lens on my mavic 3. That's just the way companies work nowadays. Don't buy it if you don't need it.
Great information, thanks for sharing.
Great video! Thanks for breaking it down.
Hey! Thanks 🤘🏼
Very good points
Thank you. One more person with GAS that you helped. haha I was not going to buy M3P. Really. But that feeling was making me a little uncomfortable since I was loving the idea of getting M3P but my rational part of mind was not letting me to press the "pay for this order" button.
I have both the Mini 3 Pro and the Mavic 3 and I’m not upgrading unless they got some insane new softwares in the Mavic 3 Pro
I wouldn't in this case.
Great - thank you for doing this video!
I have one question: Compare the main sensor (digitally) zoomed in a bit with the 3x zoom. How do these two options compare? Because I'm thinking about getting the Mavic 3 Classic, instead of the Mavic 3 Pro, and zoom in just a bit for a parallax effect - which I also do at the moment when using my Mini 3 Pro.. Thanks for the answer!
Thanks... I have GAS.. But only bought the Mavic 3 with telephoto in November. Honestly I haven't even used all the features yet. I also have the Mini 3 Pro. I just like the word Pro. but as you have just pointed out, its hard to justify if already a Mavic 3 flyer. So I will hopefully find some discipline from somewhere and stop spending money I can't afford or justify! Thank you chap!
Use the money to take your current drone to epic locations. This is always better imo 😅
Glad to help! 🤘🏼
I bet the panoramic mode will change either I’ll wait to see what it has to offer before deciding on it …I already have the mavic 3 and love it
El mini 3pro es muy bueno para hacer tomas nocturnas en grandes ciudades, yo lo utilizo para grabar proyecciones en edificios en la noche y es un gran equipo.
Nice video and explanation. I'm currently working on getting my part 107 because the non profit group I work with clearing rivers of trees to make them safe to paddle and prevent flooding, is wanting a second drone pilot. We use the drones to scout ahead on rivers, take pictures and video of hazards for proposals, and to document the start and completion of projects.
I have a mini 2 that I hadnt flown in 2 years because of being pissed at the FAA overreach and money grab. The limitations of the mini 2 were clear when I took it out to test and practice. Both in how small it was and hard to see with trees in the background, and being blown around by the wind.
The mavic 3 series looks to be impressive. I'll likely be one that will be opening my credit card tuesday if the specs on the 3 pro are whats expected. Especially with the pro controller bundle. I have the old n1 style with the tripletek tablet with my mini 2. I love the display on top but its heavy and awkward. Having a quality zoom will be useful as we scout hazards and sometimes cant get in as close as we would like.
I just want to slap the idiots that thought putting the screen underneath the controls instead of above it was a good idea. Especially for when I want to use a sun hood.
Can you charge the pro controller from a battery bank? We are often away from charging capabilities and sometimes camp on sites. I wish the pro controller had a longer battery life.
Thank you!
The M3 and M3P would be great for this. At the current price, I would probably go for the Pro if it's your first M3.
They really should have the screen on top. I agree..
Yes, you can. We are working on a mod right now for the RC Pro to help with this and a few other things.
@@CliffKajun ooohhhh Id love a mod to get the screen on top. is there a place to follow or just this channel?
Yes this is my first Mavic. I ordered the Mavic 3 pro with the RC Pro controller package and 2 years flysafe. Yes I cringed but I think it was the best choice for a drone I wont outgrow for a while.
I didnt go with the cine pro as it doesnt seem like my skills and use would warrant it. This lets me get a Mini 3 pro, or maybe wait for a potential Mini 4 as a backup if I want to spend the money.
refreshing! thank you...
and thank you! 🙏🏼
Right Information
I agree...sensors are the deal breaker for me. Wish all three lenses could use the 4/3 but I get it.
do you actually have m3pro or is it all just guessing (from price, to image quality etc)? i would bet on later..
I was about to sell my Mavic 3 to upgrade but not after your explanation thanks. I will however still listen into their launch tomorrow to see if anything was missed. A lot of the improvements that are going to be on the pro version I’m sure will also come as software updates for the Mavic and classics
Only upgrade if you have a feature missing you will actually use 🤘🏼
@@CliffKajun I would definitely use the 3 times zoom feature for parallax shots and getting dynamic scenes in spotlight and active track for my videography but my issue is how much more I would have to pay out of pocket and at what price I could legitimately get for my current flymore combo that are really the major factors here. I mean the current drone does a good job but the zoom camera is useless unless the do another software enhancement on it. I just wish they let us know in advance that they are maintaining the pro name and that that was coming rather than lying to people that their dropping the pro name from the Mavic line, I would have waited. We really got ripped off with the lack of features at launch and now with this. They really need to start offering a trade in program to make it easier to offload. Currently as I speak very difficult to sell a 3k drone people just don’t have the money unless you sell to adorama and you know they will rip you off smh
Mavic 3 Pro's starting point is some 16 months of tweaks, bug fixes, feature additions and more. The 1st 6 months on Mavic 3 were brutal. Ghosting/flairing OA sensors causing flight issues (still happens, but they dialed sensitivity way back. Actually its met expectations of performance, but took way longer than i expected. I avoided Mavic 2 as it was obviously seeing less development, and waited on Mavic 3. Sure this has pros/cons but at about $150 more than Mavic 3, its basically another Air 2S rework of Mavic Air 2, and Air 2S was and is a huge success for DJI. Ironically we lose the idrntical 3 minutes flight time as when they stuck a 1 inch camera in the Air 2. Im betting that honkin honker of a camera module doesn't add a single degree of independent panning beyond the 5° we have on Mavic 3. Still, its a logical evolution and has been a winning formula for DJI.
You missed something. The Mavic 3 Pro uses a different sensor entirely for the MFT sensor. It uses the newer IMX 472 vs the older IMX272. The 472 is backside illuminated rather than front side eliminated. Back side illumination means that it will be even better at low light than the original sensor, which was already spectacular.
Good catch. We mention this in our pinned comment, but didn’t go so far as to put it in the video since we couldn’t confirm the specs.
This could be a major advantage over the original M3 if it is true. Still not enough to upgrade for us, but maybe for someone who has consistent high end camera work directly from their M3 drone. (In my opinion)
I read this rumor on Twitter but all of the official release material points to them reusing the imx272… any clarification?
@@MountainDan yeah agreed. After the release, it seems it might be the same. If it were the newer sensor, 5.1k at 120fps would be possible with the sensor (but maybe not the drone’s chipset?). But at the very least I’d expect some differences in low light performance, but I’ve heard nothing mentioning that. :-(
@@ShapeGSX yeah I think if they swapped it out… at the very least they’d bump up to 5K/60 and mention the low light performance. Frustrating. Makes me nervous that now they’re gonna do the Mavic 4 with the new sensor next year 😣
As an existing Mavic 3 owner this is why I'm skipping the pro, that single extra camera just isn't worth the high cost. Excellent video here, love the breakdown and making sense of it all.
I will wait for the reviews and see what quality that new 70mm lens provides. In theory I love the idea, as i do prefer the look from telefocal lenses over wide angle. Such things as cars and trains (and many other subjects) just look so much better at that focal length. Actually the quality from the Mini Pro is pretty good, so I am hopeful.
The images look pretty solid, but still a little less than the MFT lens/sensor
I think it all depends on the price differences between mavic flavors and if you don't have mavic 3. But its a great video.
I agree.. Thank you!
7x sensor Mavic Air 2, 3x - Mini 3 Pro, main Mavic 3/classic/pro:)
We made a video covering the disadvantage of higher pixel density on a camera sensor for video. (48mp vs 12mp, etc.) it’s an older video, so skip ahead to 7:35 and save some time lol :
czcams.com/video/31VAi6mMvqY/video.html
I thought the important thing with the 3x & 7x zoom was to help create the sense of parallax in the footage. I did not think that cropping on main sensor would create the same effect?
Same thought
I’m interested in the Mavic 3 Classic, after seeing reports that the raw images from the Mavic 3 have significant vignetting. The lens correction profile removes the vignetting by cropping into the sensor quite a bit, and even stretching the corners. I hypothesized that this is because the Mavic 3 has two cameras and not enough room between the lens and sensor for a proper image circle. So, I’ve wondered if the Mavic 3 Classic might have slightly better image quality because they’re not cramming two cameras into the housing. If anyone has the Mavic 3 and can open the raw files in Capture One or another Raw editor that doesn’t automatically apply profiles (not Lightroom), I’d love to know.
This is a good thought. I'll have to do some testing.
@@CliffKajun Were you able to test the raw images between the different models?
Thank you
Hopefully this was helpful. Thanks 🤘🏼
@@CliffKajun I have a Mavic three cine now, with your information I now know that I have no need for the latest and greatest that
mine will be just fine.
@@itowmyhome797 nice! I definitely wouldn’t switch from the Cine
Thank you for youre honest review! I have the m3 and will keep it and pass for m3 pro
The M3 is a fantastic drone. We aren't upgrading anytime soon either 🤘🏼
The 1/1.3 inch sensor is practically the same as the Mini 3 Pro. And the problem with that is...?😮 That sensor is terrific allowing 10 bit Log color profile capable goodness that, mm for mm is amazing. Not as a main camera, naturally. What did you expect, 1 inch sensors and a micro 4/3rd? At the end of the day, it's a DRONE. The size of the camera module is probably big enough.
Relative sizes of
DJI Sensor physical dimensions:
Mini 2: 28.46mm²
Mavic Air 2: 30.72mm²
Mini 3 Pro: 69.12mm²
Air 2S: 116.16mm²
Mavic 3
Main: 224.9mm²
Building on existing airframes with camera upgrades has long been a successful formula for DJI, witness the Air 2S bump to a good 1 inch sensor albeit one with a fixed aperture. The Air 2S, not my favorite drone - its loud, ugly and shortened flight times , is a beloved model in DJI mid -range model. I use it mainly to get footage with an Insta360 Sphere. What exactly is "an explorer sensor" its a half inch sensor. The explorer function is entirely a DJI branding that was all you could do with the 7x camera, which now shoots:
Apple ProRes 422 HQ
Apple ProRes 422
Apple ProRes 422 LT
4K: 3840×2160@24/25/30/48/50/60fps
H.264/H.265
4K: 3840×2160@24/25/30/50/60fps
FHD: 1920×1080@24/25/30/50/60fps
And allows Focus Track POI and Spotlight mode on fixed subjects mikes away.
I would call that useful, if not extraordinary. Certainly more than an "explorer" camera.
One of the reasons why I bought the mavic 3 was because of the zoom but now I don't have it anymore because I crashed it. My question is does the mavic 3 pro have the same zoom capabilities like the mavic 3?
Yes it does have the 7x zoom on the “cell phone sensor” plus an extra 3x zoom on a 1” sensor. It also has improved picture profiles. From what you’ve said, I would go with the 3 Pro if you plan to buy another Mavic.
@@CliffKajun or the mavic thermo lol
Europe's C classifications are now an issue. The M3 Pro's 958g means C2 classification. Fine, if DJI were still selling the standard M3 or Cine. So, is the M3 Classic now the sole C1 option, or will there be a mid-tier revamped M3 for C1 compliance in the next year. I doubt it, but uncertainty about products doesn't help.
Yea, the whole discontinue issue is frustrating considering things like this. Hopefully they come up with a good option for sun 900
Um Pythagoras, you're not paying "an extra $2000" for the 3x tele camera. It's about $200 more than the Mavic 3... actually, the Mavic 3 Pro costs the same as the Mavic 3 at launch. WTF are you even talking about?
ı wish i could see some tests
DJI marketing at its best, imo it not worth the price for the upgrade
Portrait mode would be nice
Hey man, are all these specs definite or speculation?
Definite . The only thing we do not know for sure is the software side that isn’t mentioned in the manuals. They often run on beta until launch, and it’s hard to say if they are holding some things back.
I own the (original) Mavic 3. I don't need the new x3 telephoto camera (at least in the sense that I'm not prepared to upgrade). One question though. Why is the Hasselblad logo so prominent on the camera module? Unless Hasselblad produced both of the telephotos, this is surely misleading labelling. I'm aware of DJI's 'relationship' with Hasselblad btw.
I feel the same way about the 3x. Just not worth it for our purposes.
Haha, definitely DJI marketing. They really shouldn’t use that logo unless all cameras are very high quality imo.
guess what, theres an 7x which is equivalent to 166mm. There will be the 3 pro, and the 3 pro cine which can shoot prores
@@HuyRebel yes, the 7x is same as the one on the M3. Unfortunately, it’s not going to be much of an upgrade on the pro. The cine version looks great, but I’m not sure who would need the Cine specs, while being limited by the smaller two sensors. If it is a first buy, maybe. As an upgrade from the original M3 Cine, I don’t think so.
I would rather have an inspire 2 than the M3P cine for the money. But, that’s just my opinion 🤘🏼
why? they own the company. they would be mad, if they wouldn't use that for marketing (just like sony etc use zeiss name, for ex.) , lense development etc.
It Hassalblad colour science, not Hassalblad cameras
Hey man, you are great... 👍but just a not-technical curiosity of mine.
If it's not a secret, is it really necessary for you to gesticulate, frantically and continuously wave arms and hands while you're talking?
Can't you avoid this torment for the viewer?
Would you perhaps feel more nervous inside, or maybe you think to be clumsy if you stop?
Or do you not even notice it and no one has pointed it out to you yet?
Lmao, Kajun and I were both cringing at it on this edit. I made the mistake of memorizing our spec sheet instead of scripting the video, and apparently I can’t recall data, improv, speak, and control my hands 🙌 at the same time 🤣. We did a video a while back where I briefly had my hands tied as a joke, but it had been so long, that I forgot lol.
I’ll catch it (mostly lol) on the next one 😅
Correction - the Mavic 3 can already do 120fps
I believe it can only do 120 in 4k(and dci). The Pro can in 5.1k.
Unless I missed an update on the 3 😅
@@CliffKajun Noted. For me and many others this upgrade to the main cam will not be worth it as you have alluded to. However, one of the burning questions is whether we will get D-Log on the new 3x and 7x cameras. If not, then it is a fail for me and I won't be upgrading as it is a pain to try and grade afterwards. I believe DJI should have gone to a single zoom camera like in the old Mavic 2 Zoom but with updated specs instead of the multi-cam smartphone route. Then you could benefit from the M4/3 sensor's performance across the entire focal range.
I had worries it would be a “parts-Bin” release.. just a scrapped design from the lab they threw together to bolster some sales without much R&D. if they wanted to release a real parts bin pro they’d take an M30.. slap a X7 super 35 camera with fixed lens on it and call it a Mavic Max.. sell it for $9,999.. a price point in between the i3 and the Mavic Cine.. t
Mavic Max has a nice ring to it 😎
He could be half Italian, without knowing it ;)
Lol nice
Kajun warned me I should re-shoot. I said it’s not *that* noticeable 😅😬
Honestly I think this continued frankensteining of the Mavic platform is a fools errand. DJI continues to add low quality cameras to this plartform rather than develop a more useful lens for the excellent m4/3 camera already there. I realize teenagers and old men really love their explorer badge camera, but for this to be a true “Pro” camera, it needs a useful zoom that covers the range between 1x (24mm) and 3x (70mm). My most used lens on the inspire 2 x7 is the 35.. which is the equivalent of a 50mm, the 24 on that platform is equivalent to a 35.. these are the most valuable lengths for commercial work and DJI just ignores that. That said the comment about cropping the wide camera to a 70mm equiv crop.. that’s really not gonna be there, as the 1/1.3 camera’s resolution is going to win every time. Unfortunately that focal length, while nice… isn’t the most useful.
Yea cropping 3x was a bit of a stretch. That would result in a little under 1080p vs 4k. Curious how that would compare with topaz or similar? (Likely pretty bad)
I wish they would just make a compact interchangeable lens. Kind of like a mini inspire version of the Mavic 3.
Come to think of it, that might be a fun mod 🤔😅
one small mistake you made in the videos that smaller pixels resulting worse low-light, that was mostly true before the days of backside illuminated sensors where each pixel had pretty large border around it that could not absorb light. bsi sensor don't have this issue.
With current technology the advantage of large pixels is a very high 2nd native iso and fastest readout times.
This is why the A7Siii low-light is only a hair better than A7IV.
I pick things up & put things down....lol
I would say smaller pixels have definitely improved, but it’s still not as good as a larger pixel in low light. Plus the 2nd base iso is incredible. Love the 2nd on the inspire 3. It’s incredible.
While the difference is not as dramatic, there is still the issue of signal to noise ratio. It’s not as much about the borders anymore as it is the amount of noise per signal and the ratio of that noise to the information contained in the signal from that pixel.
Imagine a small glass of water (pixel) with one drop of food coloring (noise). Now imagine a large pitcher of water with one drop of food coloring. The signal noise (food coloring) is essentially the same in both instances, but the signal information (water) is clearer in the large pitcher.
That’s a very basic analogy, but from my understanding, it still holds true to a point.
As an owner of both, I can say the fx3 has substantially better low light. How substantial, is a matter of opinion I guess lol.
Thanks for the detailed comment and I’m curious to hear your opinion on this. 🤘🏼
@@CliffKajun the signal to noise ratio is calculated by the size of the entire sensor on bsi sensors, not by each pixel though for your entire image.
I own the a7siii as well, and this truth was hard for me to accept till I realized I have full frame 4k 120.
I found the a7siii and a7iv to be nearly the same till about 51,000 iso, at which point the a7iv started to get more chroma noise. but before then the a7iv was producing a cleaner and more detailed image for a lot of iso values due to the 7k to 4k down sampling.
It’s worth it
I feel so outdated I am still using the original mavic Platinum, which of course is equivalent to the mavic mini 3 pro. I'm just amazed that after all these years five of them that the mavic 3 mini pro is still the same as a platinum.
Haha, don't feel bad. Most of us don't NEED the latest versions anyway. I just flew my M3 into a tree yesterday lol. Could've been an expensive mistake, whereas an older drone would have been easier to deal with.
Most of us don't need the latest and greatest. I've never been one to do that unless theres a feature I really need. I was still using my 7 year old note 8 until it stopped connecting to the network. Same with drones.
I needed something bigger than my mini 2 and more useful. Thats the only reason I got the Mavic 3 pro as our non profit needs me to document river hazards.
Seth Weathers
To be honest I think the Mavic 3 classic is the best one, those extra cameras are just useless. Instead of make 2 more cameras, they should focus in getting the one camera better.
Many have shown this not to be the case. In fact 51 drones just released a video showing otherwise (countering his video where he recommends the 3 classic) Especially when going with a parallax effect.
Interchangeable lenses would be awesome. Even if only up to 50mm equivalent.