American Scholars Say The Real Threat To The U.S. Is Russophobia (HBO)
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- President Trump set off a roar of outrage when he defied U.S. intelligence agencies to defend Vladimir Putin and Russia against allegations of meddling. Republican lawmakers joined Democrats to condemn the president's deference to Putin, but his conclusion that the U.S. and Russia are both to blame for the deteriorated relationship is not without defenders.
Take, for example, two American foreign policy experts, Stephen F. Cohen and John Mearsheimer, who both say they agree with Trump on that point, whether you think that makes them Putin's patsy or not. And they're both afraid anti-Russia sentiment in the U.S. will tank Trump's efforts.
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“There is an unwillingness to engage in debate on this issue, like I have never seen before," Mearsheimer told us.
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You guys got two RT spokespeople who are pro putin and then never asked them about income inequality or oligarchs and the whole issue is that this is about rich corrupt people making it so rich corrupt people can get even richer? Seriously? I'm not afraid of Russia. I'm afraid of their rich spoiled corrupt wealthy people who are all friends of Putin. I'm afraid of how Putin has radicalized is own country with polarization and then pulled the curtain back and said hahaha see nothing matters i paid for both of them. Seriously?
you guys interviewing a clown like Cohen just totally ruined your own respectability
Your not afraid of Russia ??....Your not afraid of the consequences of US arrogance, hubris and imperialism ?? .....Putin has said that Russia will never wage another war on its territory. And since the US has stationed nuclear weapons and its military on its borders...any wrong move will send hundreds of nuclear missiles raining down on you arrogant Americans, wiping you off the face of this Earth.
Elmer Fudd - they cant and will not because they know he is correct... they would rather have nuclear war with Russia then admit they lost the election due to a deeply flawed candidate. Until common Americans on the left have some serious soul searching on why it is they are doing what they are doing we will continue to go into the abyss.
I think the chief problem people fail to address is that similarly to how the Yanukovych election was a regional phenomenon, so too was the "color revolution" that overthrew that elected President. The previous status quo wasn't on the Crimean referendum- but neither was it being offered at the time by the new Ukrainian government. Investigations into the violence during the protests never seriously occurred because it was so convenient to just declare it was the police and only search for evidence to fuel that hypothesis rather than undertaking it how investigations should be done.
Is this really Vice? Did you guys get hacked?
I've become used to the echo chamber that vice has become...
Tim Falardeau. I agree with what these guys are saying concerning Russia. Max Blumenthal has also talked about the role of Russia today (esp in the context of the Syrian War). There are 2 core aspects the corporate main stream media and the elite are trying to manipulate us:
1. They wants us believe Russia is the Soviet Union / Communists. Ukraine is much more of an interventionist threat in US politics as we saw the recent details. The hardships we experience is not because of Russia, Mexicans, Muslims, etc.. The real reason for our hardships is because those who take from us can’t stop taking from us. This is scapegoating to - distract us from the real problems.
2. As we saw in the Syrian and Venezuela military agenda, Russia is only nation who is willing to stand up of the perpetual wars/regime change wars. These wars are not for democracy, it’s for money/oil/domination. The American variety of capitalism (hypercaptialism or late capitalism) is running out of ideas and has changed the face of what America was decades ago into what it is today.
Stephen Cohen was a great scholar. Super smart guy.
I think the same about John Mearshiemer, antedaug1
Omg I didn’t know Cohen died.
@@maggie7843 yeah he fell out of a 12th story window completely accidentally
@@tiernanwearen6624 not funny
this video has triggered a lot of liberal russophobes
it just triggered ur mental cinema, but that has nothing to do with reality anyway, so we can ignore that.
@@asgdfjkglh5414 tranquilo Chico
LOL
literally 😂
For once Vice actually came through on something and we’re seeing the consequences today in 2022
true
Trump isn't russophobia.
Correct
consequences is stupid ass russia invading indepedent country. Are you incapable to see that?
The only thing responsible for NATO expanding is Russia's landgrab.
Finally some smart people are interviewed.
RIP Stephen, hopefully someone fills your legacy of promoting better relations between the two nuclear superpowers of the world. You were a brave, brave man.
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU AND PRESIDENT TRUMP
And a huge loss to the voice of reason and all of us
@@MrRicardo11 US was never a voice of reason, violence and murder, destruction are their ways of handling things. US is founded on millions of millions natives that were killed as the criminals, throatcutter from Europe entered the continent. Far more people were genocided than those mentioned in WWII of that nasty religion.
@@shaughnfourie304 you are part of the problem
@@shaughnfourie304trumps an idiot because he wants to heal relations with Russia but start a new cold war with China, because like Obama, bush and biden he's owned by the military industrial complex and big business
First vice video I liked in a while. Thank you for putting an alternative view out there.
Yes, thank you Vice for giving the russiaboos their equal attention cake.
This is actually the view of every reasonable person... It's seems ppl are obsessed with Russia but it's not the case! This is a media made situation... There may be a few in corporate media who want war at any cost so they will fan the flames of any enemy, but we are now aware enough to see what is going on and to not let it affect our critical thinking... Which is the only reason to use propaganda anyway! Just question everything... If you are being shown something over and over, ask yourself why! Think critically about all information and you'll always be well informed...
While, undoubtedly, there is a certain degree of "Russophobia" in evidence in the U.S. political and media arena's, equally Russia has done some pretty horrible things over the last decade in terms of anti-LGBTQ legislation, normalisation of racist behaviour and some very questionable foreign policy/actions. No-one wants another cold (never mind shooting) war obviously but equally the preponderance of evidence apparently supports the idea that Russians attempted to influence American elections. Do we get into the thick of whether the U.S., with it's own long history of political meddling in foreign countries, can legitimately be offended by actions like that? Sure, as part of a broader debate we certainly could, but, in the persona of the U.S. president, Trump should have had a much harder take on that. So, no war, but surely a less chummy attitude should have been in evidence? This is without even touching on the treatment of NATO by Trump in the same week ("Montenegro is very aggressive" - Hahahahahaha. Wait, is he serious?)
BladeAddict8 lol
alternate views for an alternate reality...usually called bs.
I’m here from the future. They were right.
Yes they were
Scary how accurate these guys were, even more scary that at least on the surface we still seem unwilling to accept part of the blame and put forward real measures to resolve this crisis, which only means it will go on and on and all of us are faced once again with the prospect of going to war and even necular threat. Once we get out of this, if indeed we do, I hope we learn our lesson once and for all, we have to stop engaging in foolish and reckless foriegn policy and accept we no longer live in the world where America can get away with it, we also need a multitude of voices in the mainstream media, and we need to respectfully listen and debate those voices without resorting to defemation of character, we need an end to being unwilling to listen and take seriously voices of dessent in the mainstream narrative, and we need an end to this ridiculous notion that if you say anything critical of the prevailing social narrative you must be deranged, a russian stooge, a bad actor, or be on the side of the bad guys. This crisis has shown just how dangerous this is. I was born after the cold war but i find it facinating that during this war there was more openly dissenting voices in the media, pariliment and in the general public then there seems to be now on the issues we face with Russia today. Its madness and really scary.
Americans foreign policy is also most definitely enticed by the western industrial-military-complex. The implications of this are severe and even go to the extent of an US president being assassinated - shrouded in mystery yet considered as result of that president not letting said military complex having it's way. It definitely had a firm grip then, now it's going to tighten that grip even more.
Yes russian government is pretty bad. You should not be "friendly" to that entity. It is highly corrupt and democracy is non exitent there.
No one listens to scholars….we are all foolish! Breaks my heart. I wish we respected these thinking people
@@cristianoreddevil9736 Why are Americans friendly towards Saudi Arabia? Doesn't seem like the most democratic country to exist along with any other Arabic country. And corruption? Ukraine is one of the most corrupt counties in the world along with Russia.
@@annpyingshek4693 we supply them with weapons and securities and they give us oil. You are right though they don’t share our Same values so that will be a problem in the future
Admire both these men. Thanks Prof Mearsheimer for carrying the torch after Prof Cohen; first time seeing them together - truly independent thinking - Respect.
A sad day when he died. I found out yesterday. Used to watch Cohen on Cspan a long time ago. Back in 2000s. I drifted away from politics and came back last year.
For all they spoke out against conflict with Russia they couldn't turn the tide. They were just outmatched by large media and the US government. And as a result of these war mongers Russia has gotten stronger and closer to China. And so many people have died these last two years in Ukraine.
Bad times are coming these next 10 years for the US. Trump could help but once he's gone be back to war.
@@paulstone3590Sorry to rain on your sunny day, but Trump was no better - not only sanctioned Russia to hell and back, but heavy-armed (sent lethal aid to) Ukraine, something Obama tried to avoid, and bragged about it.
I love Steven Cohen he is absolutely right and more people should listen to the man!
People should watch Oliver Stone's documentary about Ukraine. It is pretty accurate.
he is right because of what?
because u say so?
pretty weak point u know.
@@asgdfjkglh5414 came from the future, he is right.
i agree. say no to Russophobia!
and say yes to realityphobia?
What u say is, that u virtually cannot say anything against Russia ever again...even it is completely true, because some morons like u could show up and call it Russophobia...lol.
so weak points.
Say yes to russiophobia they will hack our computers and ruin the economy
aRe yOu a BoT???!???
@@JeremiahArt65 typical yankee, scared of some russians
@@BurgerTankCoach Табакерка
If Russia allied military with Mexico the U.S would go crazy 🤔 seems like a valid claim
It would be more like if Russia Allied the Confederacy...
Well that's what happened with Cuba after all.
But it would be justified if Americans were trying to annex mexican lands while committing acts of genocide and terror upon the Mexican people.
Scary these guys lived under the cold war and were still right to this day.
And no one listened to them.
It's sad...
Who would ever listen to a pro-Russian?
The real question is why russians are always villains in American movies?
Because Americans hate Russians. It's simple as that.
u should not explain the world with Hollywood.
Try watching russian movies and then u maybe u see who the villians in their movies are...but pls spare us with ur hollywood knowledge.
Because there's not much space left I guess. If you portray any other ethnicity or race, you'd be called a racist by the liberal mob. But since Russians are mostly whites, christians and conservatives, nobody cared. I mean, they boycotted Rambo: Last Blood to flop but were totally fine with The Equalizer.
You can't have the Chinese be the enemy because they will refuse to sell the movie in China so Hollywood ALWAYS makes it the Russians or Arabs or White supremacists but never China for fear of losing money.
Do you know now?
I want to see the full interview
Did you find it? I would like to see it or listen to it, but I can not find it 😔
wow, vice posted something actually meaningful
Ikr?
RIP Steve. I wish we listened to what you two had to say. I pray that you have acolytes.
Where can I see this full interview!?
why do you say that?
Hagelslag you're a racist.
BRELLLA because VICE chops and skews the hell out of these interviews. I want to see everything they had to say, not just what vice wants us to see.
Beisht Kione i meant to reply to the other dude
Just look these guys up. There’s hours of recorded material here on youtube.
We're seeing the consequences of that anti-Russian hatred and bigotry today.
It’s completely justified now
This is awesome, can you release the full interview?
I absolutely love this moment at 1:58 where the VICE correspondent asks the professors a question in a tone that is implying "are you mentally challenged." And following the question the two proceed to professionally dismantle his entire argument. Afterwards the correspondent sits down and shuts up to listen and accept what the two older gentlemen have to say on the matter.
theres so much cut out here and i want to see it!
Woke identity politics don’t matter in international affairs
@@ouchh35 these two gentleman are a rarity.
@@TheProjectVoid Increasingly so since Cohen passed away a year ago.
@@TheProjectVoid they are fools but nice fools at that
It’s nice to see that these two guys actually knew each other and could sit together and had a chat.
Of course they knew each other - they go to the same synagogue.
@@chunksloth
Mearsheimer isn't Jewish. He is half German and half Irish, and he is also an opponent of the current form of U.S. support for Israel.
You anti-Semites don't even know who your friends are.
They were close friends
This was quality I would love to see more of these two and their opinions on the more controversial topics surrounding russia
OH WOW WAY TO GO VICE YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO THE WHOLE UNBIASED REPORTING THING
The mark of good scholars is being proven right by history.
I miss Dr Cohen!!❤❤❤
The hypothetical alliance with Canada and Mexico is unnecessary when there is a real-life example of a very similar thing happening. Remember Cuba?
Yup.
Yeah cuba was the first nation that came to my mind.
When the argument about ,,self determination" is tossed you dont reqlly know what to do since we all know self determinatiin aint a thung in our world anymore and if it is, it oftwn represent the wishes of the ruler not the people which depending oj the case can be good or bad, we also cant say that they dont have the right to self determination cause its not fair but here is the catch. Self determination is good as long as your choices are good. But when the choice you are about to make isnt and it effects other in a bad way then no, you dont have the right to take that choice.
1:57 Wow! Cohen & Mearshmeier changed my perspective on US-Russia relations with one single clear example.
The one that genocide is good and sexy, right?
The flaw is that you cannot equate a totalitarian China and a narco-state with an alliance of free democracies.
These guys are absolute anti-American 🤡🤡🤡
Than God you understand!
I ❤ Dr Cohen!!
If there is no real threat create a boogeyman
I love Putins expression at the end. He's thinking "here's just another lying American".
My boyfriend is Russian, and he is slowly understanding the English language. He was so upset and dumbfounded by the bullshit articles America has written about the 08/08/08 war and other things that has happened in Russia that he has witnessed with his own eyes. He could not believe the American propaganda and lies against his country. It was heart breaking really.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT I HAVE RUSSIAN STUDENTS IN FRANCE WHO CONFIRM EXACTLY WHAT YOUR BOYFRIEND SAYS
@@shaughnfourie304 And what he says?
Yeah these lies are so unfair. Russia is a peace loving state.
first good video by Vice I have seen
They were good. Then they got funded by George Soros
He has a point to an extent consist and the the Cuban missile crisis we ended that shit in a heart beat
If only this had gone on longer. Two brilliant scholars who both predicted the debacle of 2022.
Remember that scene from The Avengers, where Ultron calls Captain America God's righteous warrior pretending that he can live without war? To exist, Americanism requires a boogeyman. America needs a villain to point to so that they can inflate their ego, play the role of hero and justify their hegemon and the enormous sums of money spent on maintaining it through military and economic means. There's a reason American culture has produced so many memorable comic book characters. Comic book stories and their characters were analogues for how they viewed themselves and how they view their enemies - whether it's the Soviets, Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians, Iranians, the Chinese or Russians. The problem is that their adversarial tone always stokes conflicts, much like what is happening in Ukraine right now.
This is the end of the line, trust me. Russia & China are crippling the dollar hegemony as well as the rest of Europe as we speak. The rest of the world is not even fazed by the biased media reports, look at the lines to join BRICS already... Damn
I love how Russia invading another country is somehow americas fault
@@jb76489them: *explains why russia invades another country* NATO BOT: it’s russia fault
NATO must expand !
"Didn't sovereign states of Eastern Europe have the right to ask to join NATO?"
"NO! That's a foolish view of international politics."
Poland asking for a security guarantee from France and Britain in 1939 was presumably "foolish" too.
The "realist" school of international relations is very, very simplistic. Sometimes it throws up some good conclusions, sometimes it just leads to empty-headed Realpolitik.
Wow only one example this isnt 1939 and this isnt poland so try again. Youve lead yourself to an illogical conclusion
They come up with such entry level gaslighting, "hurr durr if china was in Mexico what would you say?"
Apparently "democracy is not valid if it doesn't serve my interest lol". a 5 year old would be able to refute their arguments easy peasy lemon squeasy
@@kristoffseisler2163 we shouldn't drag ourselves into a war to push democracy in foreign lands
@@kristoffseisler2163 let’s see whose world view leads to peaceful coexistence…. Yours or theirs. If your world view even aims at peace. It”s one thing to want what you want. It’s another if you coexist and have to look for compromises… a five-years old debating with two heavy weights from Princeton and Chicago university? Interesting…
@@blablubb2001 Yes, that is interesting. this apology for Status Quo and being "Ivy League university professor with an interest in diplomatic, peaceful solutions and peaceful constructive coexistence" and talking about Russia and not seeing that it is a fake power. 10.000 dead soviets within 26 days. No fuel for tanks, expired food for soldiers. Wow. two heavy weights from Princeton and Chicago university. Interesting
This is what I wanna see on Vice not all this liberal pandering that the media and some vice episodes tend to cover
They tell the truth. I know Reps have some problem with it but facts are facts.
I found it very surprising. This is very abnormal for Vice. If your interested in Russia in terms of history and geopolitics Stephen Kotkin has some nice lectures on youtube.
Pepins Spot The way they did with Jordan Peterson?
Pepins Spot hahaha gender fluidity is not a "fact" it's nonsense
this aged well
? No.
Finally with these 2 having a sane mindset there is still hope.
Sadly one of them died in 2020
@@Dannyboy0202 Why do sane people die early and we are all left with insanity ?
@@IloveJinnah Cohen was in his 80s he died of lung cancer. Even if he was still alive to see what was happening it wouldn't matter because Washington and the corporate media tried to blacken his name and call him a Russian agent just like they do to anyone who speaks up against their madness and bigoted hatred of Russia.
And they were both absolutely correct
That genocide is good and sexy?
@@michastepien8326 whos doing genocide?
@@dasha8658 Soviets are committing genocide right now.
Putinist bot
@@michastepien8326 Maybe you need to commit to some books right now
Finally some truth back on Vice...💗 to Russia from America
Told you.
It's good to hear voices of reason every once in a while
i strongly disagree with the opinion that russia's aggression on ukraine was the US's fault, the government in russia explicitly chose to invade the country, while there was absolutely no threat towards russia.
@@ChristopherGray00 what? No threat how is that ?
This was published 4 yrs ago. Here we are after the nord stream pipeline. Right on track. We need to wake up to this.
Those of us who do not have HBO, can we pay for this documentary in full?
Rare Vice W
Wow am actually quality piece of reporting from Vice. Where the right aren’t demonized and taken out of context. I never thought I’d see the day. Maybe the world is turning towards a brighter day.
Stephen Cohen and John Mearsheimer on the political right? You've got to be out of your mind. Both are progressive political academics.
@@bigollameo I think he meant "not wrong" by right
Prof. Mearsheimer is the best IR theorist alive.
Where can I find full version of this.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LOOSE THE MUSIC DURING THE CONVERSATIONS!!!!!!
So Trump did good??
In respsonse to Mr.Moynihans claim Ukrainians have a right to ask be in Nato if they want, I'm surprised the illustrious Professors here didn't cite Paragraph 8 of the 2000 OSCE EUROPEAN SECURITY AGREEMENT, where it states all signatoriesdo have a right to join any alliance of their choosing, AS LONG as it isn't at the expense of another's security. Great 5 minutes though.
There is something very interesting in the moment when the interviewer asks whether people have the right to decide foreign policy in effect. I am not going into the answers the gentlemen gave, but here is the thing: When People demanded for Brexit, it was apparently the politicians who tricked them into a bad policy as the popular narrative goes, but the opposite is supposed be true for Ukraine. It's apparently the people who were right and the politicians who had to flee were the oppressors. Now I am not for or against any party here and my understanding of the crisis, reality on the ground or historic reasons are of course very limited. But, I think it's still interesting to understand how we create notions of legitimate mandate and maliciously influenced ones. And how our notion might have very little to do with genuineness of the process involved. Of course it helps if certain places are relatively media dark for most of us.
I believe that Mearshiemer's position is more subtle. He's not saying that people in a democracy do not have the right to decide foreign policy. Obviously they vote for their leaders and they can vote for leaders who will work towards those policies. What Mearshiemer is saying is that other NATO countries also have a say in who can join NATO. And that it doesn't matter what the people of Ukraine want if the members of NATO feel that Ukraine joining would put all of them in greater danger.
Your comments get to the heart of Peter Russell’s book, Sovereignty: The Biography of a Claim.
@@jameskielland5018 Even more strikingly, almost every international analyst in the West agrees that NATO membership is practically impossible for Ukraine. It's really remarkable how it's even an issue that's up for debate. Why didn't the US just tell Ukraine the truth?
@@jameskielland5018 but lets not ignore that this is not strictly a NATO problem but also about the EU. This is probem started with the maidan prostests because essencially the president at the time was steering the country away from the EU in a pretty definitive way via the Eurasian Economic Union
This article aged like fine milk
Спасибо, это как свет надежды, что здравые люди остались на Западе. Нам не надо быть друзьями, достаточно чтобы политики были прагматичными и разумными людьми. There's hope for the world
That is so right. Genocide is so pragmatic and reasonable. Табакерка
@@michastepien8326 touch grass
@@michastepien8326 i shympatized with ukraine and against russia invasion but still i cant say what these 2 people say is wrong either because we dont wanna see powerfull nuclear country going toe to toe is gonna bring doom to the entire world the best way is still ukraine and russia (east) and usa (wes) can reach to agrrement that ukraine can and still be neutral country.
@@suryamanakp5521 But you do not understand. Russia does not want Ukraine to exist as independent state at all. Soviets hate Ukrainians so much that they do not hesitate to commit genocide. They are shooting to civilians including kids. What agreement are you talking about? Ukraine already announced that Ukraine will not join NATO, but it did no prevent committing genocide by Soviets. Why retarded guys like two in that video talk about things they know nothing about? Ask ie. Estonia, Lithuania or Latvia. These states for over 40 were occupied by Soviets -- thus they know soviets very well. These two clowns from video know only about money they were paid by Soviets.
@@michastepien8326 what Ukrainians did to their own people in Donbas for 8 years is despicable
Where can I get this episode
As a Russian living in america, I completely agree, americans need to stop demonizing Russians for no reason
Mass-murder of civilian population == no reason :D
@@michastepien8326 посмотри на дату коммента гений
@@user-dd6yk6xr5y Russia is a poor country with poor education and you are a good example of that. And how can you complain about demonizing people planing a war based on genocide?
@@michastepien8326 спасибо конечно за оскорбление, но я эту войну не одобряю, я просто указал на дату комментария
@@ivanzhirkov2581 Wow. Such great "educational" system and no real technology and GDP lower than Poland which has no real resources.
“There is an appetite for defamation” 👌🏻
Is it just me or was the host a little rude when they first started
Look at his eyes...he was trying to rationalize an answer but couldn't...
I love how this all just went in the trash with the "unprevoked" war in Ukraine.
So true. It is obvious today.
everyone should watch this
Stephen Cohen and John Mearsheimer together, they just miss Stephen Walt. Princeton, Chicago and Harvard minds against the world out there. Now, watching this in April 2022 one can only think, if those guys' insights would have been considered, I dream picture would be completely different today? Days of anger, fear, anxiety, void, sadness... Cross fingers we can solve this mess.
Stephen F. Cohen, prominent contemporary American scholar of Russia and USSR, friend of Gorbachev and adviser to Bush, Dies at 81
Now Russiaphobia is completely legit.
WOW VICE. you almost make me want to subscribe to you again. I doubt that will happen but i'm impress.
Two very smart men. I’m surprised liberally biased vice had shown this.
finally some sense is heard
RIP Stephen :-/
Exactly right!
Extremely well done video.
Fascinating to watch this in 2023.
Vice thank you for looking at both sides of politics gives people a chance to see different opinions in politics.
This actually made sense!
We can't keep blaming everything on Russia, if America told Ukraine to shell a nuclear power plant than the west would just blame it on Russia.
This. I don’t know why people keep blaming Russias invasion on Russia, it’s not like Russia can control what Russia does
I am Russian myself, living in the US, and I'm taking a great offence from these two old gentlemen. What they do and what they say is enabled by freedom of speech, which they won't get if they were to speak their mind in Russia, unless their opinion is on the line with the commonly accepted agenda.
Russian war crimes of 21st century were not addressed as of yet, sanctions won't be enough to bring Russia to answer for Chechen war, Aggression against Georgia, Occupation of Crimea and invasion to Eastern Ukraine, also supporting of Assad who kills his own citizens with chemical weapons and Russian civilian bombings in Aleppo, Syria.
Also, don't forget about Malasyan Airlines MH-17 that was officially confirmed to be taken down by a Russian Anti-Air missile commanded by official Russian military.
This list of war crimes and crimes against humanity can go on, but this "russophobia" is nothing more than a reaction to an aggressive, destructive behavior on part of Russia.
I care about my former country and I take deep offense when delusional foreigners paint it in a positive light, because this will only help the oppressive authoritarian regime and it will make it worse for the free thinking (and unprotected) citizens of Russia.
Did you listen to the tapes of the airline being hit and how the commander understood he made a huge mistake? You think Russia just "invaded" ukraine? Ti cho gonish?
Natasha K I didn't need to hear the tapes, there are experts and investigators for that who did their job and determined that the cause of the airplane's destruction was a Russian anti-air system.
What I think is irrelevant, those are just facts - backed by evidence and extensive investigation.
So you don’t want to hear from the horse’s mouth what happened? K. What was the point of downing a Malaysian plane? Right. None. As for “invasion of Ukraine” that’s kind of a predictable CNN spin. No, there wasn’t a US backed coup in Ukraine prior to an “invasion”. Nah. Not. At. All. Vot tebe fakti. Alsooooo, John is about as Russian as a name as Charles.
Natasha K The "point" of the downing is irrelevant, it was most likely an error, but it doesn't matter - the fact is that it was a mistake (that cost a huge deal of human lives) made by a Russian military officer who was in command of an anti-air system which was located illegally on Ukraine's territory, which proves Russian military presence on the territory of Ukraine.
I don't watch CNN or Fox and I don't advise anyone to watch it either. I'm not a republican or a democrat, and I do not intend to continue this conversation with a victim of Russian propaganda.
John Teslov lol there we go. Name calling. Always ends this way on social media. No one can debate normally. Amazing. Call me whatever you want if it makes you feel better, doesn’t make it true 🤗👍🏻byeeee.
Great analysis, you won’t see this on CNN.
great analysis that genocide committed by soviets is sexy?
Two men of peace. ❤❤❤
The fact that such people and opinions yet exist in the west leaves me a bit of hope
Nope. It is China.
I will show this video to all of my US friends.
I've been a fan of Cohen for many years, but I just (re-)discovered Mearsheimer during the build up of this war. Than I remembered this clip and looked it up on the hunch that it might have been Mearsheimer that sat next to Cohen as his "comrade". Glad to see it's true. I wish him good health for years to come.
You know something?Corona was a wake up call for many people, not for me I was already awake but it showed that 'democracy didn't exist only demockracy. A shallow gold shine of it and underneath all rotten and smelling bad.
Sadly Steven Cohen passed away
I'm amazed Vice would allow something as intelligent as this on their platform. How was this allowed to happen?
Full interview anyone????
Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer!
What is said in this video is common knowledge in most EU countries. Understanding a geopolitical situation does not mean that you support the other party. From my European point of view, the violently negative reactions to this video are shocking. I would like to think that a big part of them are trolls, but I doubt it is the case.
Cohen is a real Russia expert. The Canada and Mexico analogy is very good. In addition to that, Ukrainians are at "best" mixed about NATO, even when you don't include ACTUALLY (yes, REALLY) pro-Russian regions like Donbass and Crimea. And most ex-Eastern Bloc countries didn't even NATO because of Russia, it was just part of their integration to the West, as they joined the EU. Yes, there were and are some that are anti-Russian (like the Baltics and Poland), but most of EE countries are quite different, some even have good relations with Russia.
I fully agree with you. All states in the region has excellent relation with Russia.We love genocide. Poland and Baltics anti-Russian LOL. Did you think about asking us "why"?
Can you name at least EE country having good relations with Russia? Except for Serbia which is not EE country anyway.
“As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty - to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”
― Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln Letters
5 mins only?
The amount of tension in the VICE "reporter's" face, while he speaks, accuses, askes questions, is telling me more about that "reporter" than the questions asked to the interviewee.
Ok I understand trying to let Ukraine in NATO might have have ignited tension between the west and Russia but that doesn’t justify Russia invading Ukraine and ANNEXING CRIMEA.
And invading Georgia before them. Everybody seems to forget about Georgia. It is obviously a pattern. And they are smart about it, they don't dare invade a NATO ally.
Lol, the Ukrain revolution wasn't some spontaneous uprising. It was backed by US intelligence agencies. Events like Ukraine is the purpose of the CIA. Residents of Crimea support Russian annexation.
Pepins Spot you must have forgotten that Georgia first invaded Ossetia and killed Russian peacekeepers?
Anna Che tell people from Crimea who vote 4 Russia about ANNEXING CRIMEA
Because that didn’t happen? Crimea is almost universally Russian. It voted overwhelmingly to rejoin Russia after the US interfered in the election in Kiev, Ukraine. See how that works?
People cannot take the truth
This aged poorly. Hopefully whomever cocked this piece up is now unemployed.
I appreciate and applaud those who are writing constructive comments that are rooted in international relations. It is clear, who does and does not have a background in US-Russian affairs and international relations writ large
I don't fully agree with these guys, but they do make a ton of good points that should be taken seriously, instead of people just acting like they are crazy.
I'm guessing that this interview took place at Manhattan's Russian Tea Room..
Western nations should even go further and form an solid alliance with Putin's Russia. Russia is the natural ally the West needs to confront further geopolitical challenges.
On the only point I would disagree is that Trump would engage with Russia in a meaningful way, he didn't. Trump is, and will always be, in it for himself. I have the power of hindsight in this case, which is unfair. Trump just wanted to build a hotel in Moscow and he needed Putin to authorize it, plain and simple. He has no clue and does not care about what Professor Cohen and Mearsheimer are talking about.
Point agreed and disagreed. By calling Trump wanting to build a hotel is exactly the reductionist way of thinking that liberals have found themselves trapped in. Is trump a narcissist? Yes! Would he start a war with Russia? absolutely not. Why? Not because of some hotels. Trump has been running "anti-war" campaign (although he's kept the existing war ongoing). He wouldn't start new war. That gives him great political edge over his rival democrats.
@@swpolitical One the one hand Trump said he would of been tough on Russia and on the other he says he doesn't want war with Russia. He is all over the place. Listen to the things he is saying instead of just picking up what is convenient to attack Democrats. Was he tough on Russia during his presidency? Yes, sanctions were imposed, he withdrew from the INF treaty which was signed by Reagan and Gorbachev and if re-elected he promised not to sign the New START treaty and he attacked NATO because some its members were not meeting the 2% of GDP investment on NATO. Non of that screams anti-war to me. Quite the contrary.
Are Democrats doing any better? No, they have joined forces with Republicans to continue the war machine instead of negotiations.
We all have chosen not to negotiate, but to engage with force, which is what the US has been doing since its foundation.