Who's TRYING To KILL The ELECTRIC CAR? And What Can You Do About It?
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- Wise to the lies? Bored of BS? Fed-up of FUD? Misinformation about Electric Vehicles and Clean Energy is at an all-time high. Vested interests have almost limitless funds with which to pollute public discourse, and it's easy to feel powerless to prevent that. With your help that can change.
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I have given FOUR PLUS solid years of my life debating the rubbish spewed out on Social Media and in the press along with starting my CZcams channel giving so much positive information on Electric Cars. I’ve been name called many times and been bullied by a mass of people. Being hard skinned helps AND believing in facts and not fiction from BIG OIL. GO FOR IT GENTLEMEN 👍🏻⚡️⚡️😎
Yes, and now thanks to seven Years of Fighting against Brexit, there is also now an entire Generation in our Electorate who are now hard-bitten Bastards and have already seen everything that the oil industry might try to throw at us, numerous times, and know how to treat them with the contempt they deserve.
The Brexiters have lost, and so have the anti-EV'ers, and both are now just playing for time, for as long as this rancid Government lasts !
Hear hear! KBO!
Whe the public face of Tesla turns into a far right icon, you're going to cop some hate for the business he's promoting.
Musk’s politics have remained the same. It’s the party’s and their weaponry that have changed and moved. I’d say much of it is about Twitter more than anything actually ‘real’. IMO the idea of someone with Asperger’s being in charge of a Social Media company and having millions of not Billions of people listening to his random expressions is never not going to be problematic.
@@dodgemF1 FUD
Biggest myth is range anxiety. There are so many people out there who believe that an EV with a range of 200+ miles in real world is deficient, you can tell them until you are blue in the face that the average daily drive in UK is c.20 miles and that even a 150 mile range EV is enough for 95%+ of drivers for 95%+ of time provided they have home or destination charging. For the very few trips where you need to charge an EV a bit more than you would need to fill an ICE, I just accept that the journey might take a little longer - for me bladder anxiety is far more important than range anxiety.
Finally Robert is completely wrong, "tree hugger" is not a right wing phrase - the first reference to tree huggers goes back to 1730 in India. It is true that it is often used in a derogatory way by some bigots, but it was not a right wing to start with
Even here in the US, most people dont need a vehicle with that kind of range. I live in a rural area in the mountains and I could easily do everything I need to do with 200 miles of range.
Unfortunately hybrids actually have made some of these issues worse because now people think it is "normal" for a car to get 500 to 600 miles on a tank of gas, when in fact the average car 20 years ago rarely went as high as 400 miles. And 30 years ago, feul tanks were smaller and 300 miles was considered normal and average. And every American seems to think they need to drive 400 miles straight with no breaks, and take the resulting kidney damage as a point of pride. 🤷
It's not range anxiety for me. It's charger anxiety.
When I rock up to a charger, I don't want it to be broken or have to wait to use it. But very slowly this anxiety is going as the network improves
@@davidthornton3346 Not just that, but affordable charger anxiety.
I'd get a VW e up if my parents didn't live in a terraced house for instance.
@@waqasahmed939there are subscriptions you can take out which can reduce the price considerably if it helps 🙏👍
@@jebushypocristos 132.7p/litre for petrol
Most of my journeys are to the tram station and back, other than the journey to my parent's house
Quentin the man taken to court for clocking vehicles is definitely not an amazing man.
Quentin says he would also like this fact checked 😂
@@peterpan6821 Ask BBC Verify l heard they're the self appointed Ministry of Truth, oh wait...
@@peterpan68211988 Coalville Magistrates court for falsely advertising the mileage on a vauxhall Cavalier. Source Wikipedia
That’s very true, he did. I met him in 1993 at the Citroen Xantia launch. That car was awful but Quentin tried to convince us otherwise. Give him enough money and he’ll tell you anything you want to hear.
@@steventhoseby “Falsely advertising” is not the same as clocking.
Is it true the Quentin Wilson, a man I've grown up watching, a man I've met, a man who owns a collection of classic cars, is paid £100k a year by Tesla? Asking for a friend who wants some clarity :)
Kudos to Quentin Wilson, sang the praises of the Tesla Roadster over 15 years ago in the Sunday mirror.. opened my eyes to EV and the possibilities before anyone else
That brings some memories back. 15+years and nobody has made an ev 2dr sports car as good or affordable yet as the gen1 roadster.
And the model s is approaching 11 year's of sales and few legacy oems can even match that car. Talk about dragged kicking&screaming? 😀
Most people can’t afford a Tesla it’s for the rich 🤷🏻♂️
@@leonbell5141 37-47k now for a base model 3 or awd Y in the U.S. that's below the new car average of 48k and tax credits up to $7,500 now available. Plus any additional local state or federal level ev incentives depending on where you live you may qualify for.👍🏻
got a MG4 last week, 34K for the top one, base 26K @@4literv6
I’m surprised Quentin loves EV’s as you can’t clock them.
Having a electric car is the best car I have ever owned. Amazing to drive, cheap to run
Take it you don't drive long journeys in the uk then????
More expensive than petrol ..trying to find chargers that work with no one using them.....and sitting about for 45 minutes waiting for enough range to get 200 useless miles!!!
I also don't have to replace my engine or fuel tank after a average of ten years!!!
If electric cars were so good....why ban ice vehicles.....because electric vehicles are polluting as well!!!
Yes cheap to run at the moment wait until electricity prices go up and the taxation on them come. But EV are ok still a long way to go I have more hope of hydrogen power in time a EV is unsustainable over time.
@darrengarvie8832 hydrogen is NOT the future possible a part off,
hydrogen needs trucked into where its need,Electric lines are all ready there,if only there are more chargers and they are ALL working,2030 is not a lot of time for an ICE ban. WHAT EXACTLY DO THE GOVT WANT everyone in an ev so they NEED to make sure they are enough chargers for 30 million cars. 😂😂😂
@@darrengarvie8832 Hydrogen is mostly pointless imo. It's electricity with extra steps
I could however see hydrogen being used in HGVs.
Expensive to buy
Expensive to insure
Expensive when there's a problem
Depreciates like mad
Having had an electric vehicle, was very disappointed with its performance especially in winter in the UK was like driving a six volt old Morris Minor or Beetle with half a gallon of petrol in the tank no heater windscreen wipers that reduced the range considerably if used constant range anxiety. I have reverted back to petrol did a 750 mile journey from West Wales to Sunderland and back in a day with two fuel stops that would have probably taken two days plus an overnight stay in an EV!
I was gobsmacked to watch this program as there was not one reference I can see to the abominable public charging situation in the UK it is a complete fiasco, and will only get worse as the number of EVs increases. How much copper will have to be mined to provide a proper charging infrastructure?
IINMHO the only way to run an EV in this country is to have it on your driveway, charge at home and just use it locally for shopping etc or leave it at the Railway Station for long journeys.
In typical EV hype fashion the fat cat EV supporters now want Joe Public to finance them to promote EVs. When they don’t address the elephants in the room ie Cost of EVs pathetic and inadequate charging infrastructure and garages unable to repair even the simplest of faults.
I do180 miles a day with 25% battery left at end of day. 95% on motorways at 120kph. Hyundai Kona. I charge at home only. I'd respectfully suggest you bought the wrong EV and based on that experience are now misleadingly dissing all EVs. I couldn't do my commute in a Leaf for example.
I am not “dissing” anyone or anything, I am merely expressing my experience with an electric vehicle I had in winter. You are fortunate that you can run an electric vehicle with enough range to eliminate the need for you to use the public charging network, for your daily commute.Bully for you!. Perhaps you might like to comment as to why the appalling state of the UK charging network,or the high price of EVs , the rapid depreciation of them, and the inability to repair the simplest faults in the main dealers workshops were never mentioned by the three presenters in the video? Finally why do they want ordinary people to become Patreons when they are already financed by the EV industry.
@@alanhoward6553 you're gone down the full conspiracy theory mode fella. Good luck to you. It would take an inordinate amount of time to answer you all your false statements. Educate yourself a bit better and stop spreading lies.
@@MrTipperXFrankly, the guy's story sounds typical for people unfortunate enough to have owned a first generation Nissan Leaf. I work for a company that owned two of them for use as corporate shuttles. The stories I heard from the drivers were similar. EVs have improved a lot since the gen 1 Leaf, but many people have been put off EVs by their experience with the bad, early ones.
The issue is that oil companies will be hit hard if the UK swap to nuclear power and EV's (hydrogen for lorries). Also a lot less tax from fuel duty. ICE cars create a lot of pollution and people are too selfish to think about anyone other than themselves. Yes EV journeys take longer due to charge stops but you should be stopping every 2 hours for a break anyway as there are many accidents caused by tired drivers. I gave up a job which required a lot of driving (40k miles a year plus 60 hour weeks). I was often having to stop due to being tired and wouldn't take the risk of killing another driver(s) or myself.
Interesting video, I am an EV owner - Audi E-tron 50 Technik which I bought new in 2020, and here are my good / bad / ugly real world experiences and thoughts. First off, do I like the car? yes, very much, I love the way it drives, and can find very little that I don't like about it. Will I be buying another EV? (I will be changing the car this year at 3 years old) An emphatic no I will not, certainly not until the charging infrastructure is vastly improved. So, here we go, I was told by Audi that the range of the car was 193 miles on a full charge, that turned out to be untrue, the most I have ever been able to get out of it was around 165 miles in the summer, in winter that goes down to more like 130 miles, and the charge time increases. I hear Tesla fans saying "should have bought a Tesla" sorry, I wouldn't buy a Tesla for a couple of reasons, I just don't like them, I think they are ugly, I hate the interior with that huge iPad type screen, and (not from personal experience, but from speaking to several Tesla owners while waiting at charging stations) questionable build quality. I would say that over 30 months of ownership, I have wasted more than 500 hours of my life (an hour a day 4 days a week) hanging around at charging stations waiting for my car to have sufficient range to complete my journey - I travel the country in the course of my business. "Should have planned your journey more carefully" I hear you cry, believe me I do plan as carfully as possible, yes I use ZapMap, that oh so useful app that forgets to tell you that a charging station is not working, or that your planned charge point is occupied by other drivers wasting more hours of their lives. Why do I need to download different apps for different charge points? when I used to stop for petrol or diesel, I could fill up in a couple of minutes, and pay with contactless card. I didn't care too much about the weather either, if it was pouring with rain I could fill up under the shelter of a huge forecourt canopy, I have lost track of the number of times I have been soaked while waiting for the charger to authorise the charge, why are all the charge points out in the open? Finally, cost, I have a home charger which is fine, marginally cheaper than ICE fuel, (For now, what's going to happen when Tax on ICE fuel starts to decrease, higher tarrifs for those with home chargers?) on the road charging is at least equal, and in most cases more expensive than ICE fuel. One minor point, I have probably negated any potential cost savings with the money I wouldn't normally have spent buying service area cups of overpriced coffee.
Good real world points made there. Thank you.
You might like to consider the BMW i4 eDrive40. It’s a gorgeous car and I am getting 300 miles of range at the moment. I think the paying version of ZapMap tells you which chargers are in use.
@@grahamf695 Yes, that's correct. It can also give you the waiting time (in real time) of the charger you may want to use, if it's being used as you search......
Think also of women alone, or with kids, at these charging points
You showed the biggest issue. It's not EV or ICE! It's changing a car every 3 years! That's insanely wasteful. I'm not from western Europe and I don't get it. Here I'm driving the same car for over a decade, why would I change it if it works? No wonder the market here is full with "old" (5+ yo cars) from the west. You keep buying newer and thinking you're all so eco friendly and throw away everything else to eastern Europe.
Get Dave from 'Just Have a Think' involved, he would be a great addition to the community as Quentin suggested it be called. It's a pity that the press are so negative, but that really is exactly what they like to report on.
We always hear about the environmental costs of Lithium and Cobalt in EV batteries, but what about the environmental costs of Platinum, Rhodium and Palladium as used in ICE vehicle Catalytic Convertors? We need Dave to do a deep dive into the subject and present his findings on his excellent channel "Just Have a Think"
Oh, we will do, don't worry. SWe've already started working together. Here's our most recent podcast with Dave. czcams.com/video/ecHHzLYal58/video.html
@@davewilliams6172quite a few people bang on about Cobalt ib EVs...no doubt it needs addressing but they seem oblivious to the fact that Cobalt is used in their lap-tops, mobiles, power tools, and of course in desulphurisation of crude oil.
@@TheBarnster75 none of em seem to care we've mined for cobalt since the 1730s now either.
Or until late 2019 the oil and gas industry consumed the most cobalt world wide of anyone.
Until 2022 Apple consumed more cobalt annually than tesla does. Most ice sold also has a battery with lead acid and cobalt chemistry under the hood and on average 21+electric motors just to function.
They also ignore in 2022 almost 40% of all evs sold had lfp pack's in them with ZERO cobalt or nickel. Catl and byd introduced sodium batteries recently in car's.
Catl now has lfp, lmfp and mp3 chemistry cells, the mp3 approaches nmc pack's energy density levels from just a couple year's ago.
Up to 220wh/kg apparently. For CHEAPER than their current lfp pack's. They dope it with iron magnesium and aluminum now.
Supposedly 15-20% more energy dense overall&up to 20% CHEAPER per kwh to boot.
Speaking of nickel those idiots don't even know most cobalt mining is a side effect of mining for copper and nickel either.
Smh it's just sad from my perspective. And all mostly just main stream media pushed paid for by oil bollocks. 😐
And don't forget EVM. He sometimes does the odd weird EV misconceptions video..... He's been driving EV's for the best part of 10 years now. He'd be good on the team, if he's willing.....
Thought something was going on , as I got an onslaught at work (work in the car industry )which I still don’t understand my colleagues but I am viewed as eco nut . What really upsets me is the fact that our press is allowed to lie and can get away with it on several front.
Also, the press is allowed to lie on much worse issues ...
The UK press is that bad that it was singled out by the UN.
According to some sections of the press, it doesn't matter that I was born here or how progressive I am, I'll apparently never fit in purely because of skin colour but take a right wing white American proud boy type, who's literally migrated to the UK and they apparently fit in straight away despite being culturally at odds with the UK..
@@waqasahmed939Source about UN. Curious.
A video by Munro live proved the chevy bolt fires were caused by incorrect home wiring for home charging.
@@joshuasmith7369Please include the link when you mention a CZcams video.
I had an electric car for two years and thought it was great. I did not have range anxiety, or did not do lots of long journeys. However when my lease came to an end I decided to go back to an ICE as when I was doing long journeys I was noticing that it was getting more and more difficult to drive straight into a charging point. Also joining an uncoordinated charging queue was becoming stressful and adds random extra time to my journey so makes planning difficult. I would love to go back to an ev but not until the charging infrastructure significantly improves!
You're a case and point for a "coin toss" between EV and Hybrid. EV's are the clear winner, IF you can charge at home. If you're in a situation where you rely heavily on public DC fast charging, or worse, cannot charge at home, you're likely money ahead, choosing a good Hybrid. Being that it only takes a few minutes to pump 400 Km of Petrol into the hybrid, rather than waiting 1/2 hour for an adequate charge, the Hybrid will prove much more convenient. If you can charge at home, you don't have to go anywhere to "juice up", it is much more convenient to plug in at home, and charge while you're asleep at night.
One of the biggest (and hidden) obstacles is the Building Insurance industry. One very large insurance company is insisting that any new workplace charging stations are positioned at least 5 meters from the building.
We live in a block of flats and have received the OZEV infrastructure grant to put in 25 charging stations. However, we have been banned from ever doing this because the freeholder of the building has been told by their insurer that we need to:- install a complete sprinkler system in our car park (about 50,000). Segregate any EV charging station from all other cars by at least two spaces (we will have to turn the car park into the tardis!) Lots of other restrictions but you get the idea.
We will have to relinquish the Government grant, which will mean that residents will probably purchase a new ICE car when its time to change.
Plus, nobody knows what to do with those blocks of flats which have already had chargers put in and will now retrospectively try and to find staggering amounts of money.
The government recognise the problem but are unwell to say what they will do about it. Any chance of the programme trying to find out.
Thanks for the show everybody.
I see ev charge points being installed on the side of detached houses by energy providers (BG, etc.). That’s certainly not 5m from the property.
Totally mad but typical of insurance companies. Why doesn't the same rule apply to gas as there is a higher risk of a explosion ? There have been many recalls of ICE cars that have had known fuel leaks (Vauxhall zafira a prime example that leaked fuel onto the exhaust, I saw one catch fire this way in a company car park right next to a building).
@@SMentor568 No, but the standard cable that comes with the car or the charger is 5m long so, if the owner wishes, he can charge it away from his building.
The insurer has been misinformed. The fire risk from an EV is far less than that from an equivalent ICE car.
@@rogerphelps9939the fire risk is far less, or the probability of a fire is far less?
Misinformation is a HUGE problem that has the potential to derail the transition.
This project could turn out to be the most important thing you have ever done.
I am very happy that you have committed to this.
More power to your collective elbows guys,this needs stopping ASAP
@@Stuart.A Those bloody stonecutters. "Who holds back the electric car?"
Political.
Can you fact check the number of charging stations. 25% are in London and how many chargers are out of service. In today's techlife, surely the chargers can report automatically if they are out.of action.
@@robindumpleton3742 Now that's a good question.
I've seen cars blowing up all the time in movies...oh...hold on..those are liquid-fueled vehicles, not EV's
Have a look at lithium battery fire anywhere here on CZcams.
It’s utterly horrific, yes EVs can set on fire in an accident - so can petrol, but at least it can be controlled and extinguished with fire fighting equipment.
Lithium batteries can even burn underwater.
@@GadgetMart Do you ever fly off on holiday? Does the fact you are travelling along at great speed in a pressurised metal tube, being propelled along by exploding chemicals, ever cause you a moment's concern?
@@Brian-om2hh No, flying is very bad for your carbon footprint.
Interesting to see dealers offering 0% APR on some EV car PCPs but not on diesel/petrol. They really are getting desperate to shift EVs… I wonder why?
Why are VW having a rethink about EV's and have fields full of them and putting factories on
short time ?.
Maybe it's because people are so fixed on being anti ev. That these cars are sitting in dealers and being passed by perspective buyers. All because they may of read an article which is slagging off EVs but half of what was in said article was made up or the truth was stretched to fit a narrative. Im no eco warrior but half of whats said about electric cars is just garbage and untrue
@@prodrive0191 It's not just their EVs it's their products in general. Though, VW does make crappy, uncompetitive, EVs, and the consumer has wised up to this.
@@fredflintstone9963is that why golfs sold like hot cakes for decades and their current ice car production lines remain unaffected by ' consumer reluctance ' Face reality, it is the EV concept itself that is not in demand and deemed not worthy of buying.
Tesla number one in the world out of all cars!!!!!! not just evs.
I work in a main dealer who deals with EVs and conventional cars. All I can tell you is, we are always being asked to check the battey condition, because they don't have the promised range. We have had one car combust whilst on charge, so now we have to quaranteen the EVs.
We dont really see them between services, except for tyres and brakes ( which they go through at a heavier rate than other vehicles) they are also heavier, but the big issue is the electronics, Battery Monitoring system failiers also the safety issues when working on the hot side electronics. They also need to be quarantined if theres any battery damage in an accident, insurance companies instantly write them off if theres any battery damage.
One fact is when the batteries are finished they are landfill fodder. Most other fueled cars are very recyclable.
Personally working " in the Trade" I will never have an EV unless thats all thats left, then I might go to steam first.
They are not put in the landfill legally.
And who are your customers? Are they very well off? And do you charge the customer when you have to replace the EV battery?
I want to know what brand you work on. I have been driving electric cars for 14 years. The tyres and brakes last much much longer than any of the ICE cars I drove for 45 years before that.
And I rarely take the car in for a service because it doesn't need it, which puts a strain on companies who service ICE cars with their built in obsolescence and endless need for oil changes, spare parts, wear and tea. I know this because I had those cars for decades and they were a complete and utter money sucking nightmare that kept chaps like you in clover.
@@fullychargedshowA VW ID4 costs £38,000 and depreciates by £19,000 in two years.
A VW golf diesel costs £23,000 and depreciates by £5,000 in two years and costs £175 for a service.
And according to you the golf being an ice car is a money pit.
Thank goodness you aren't financial advisors 🤪🤪
@@fullychargedshowif your tie rods, shocks, control arms, half axels and wheel bearings are lasting longer on EV than ICE it's probably because you're driving different. If your tires are lasting longer it's definitely because you're driving different.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Was going to write/ email Robert to encourage him to come up with a positive response to all the negativity and inaccurate journalism in the press/media who seem to print whatever they want wether there is any truth or facts in it! And here you are doing it with out my encouragement! Well done, you have my backing all the way!
Sometimes a negative response can serve perfectly well. Tell them to look up "Fiero fuel pump fire" and "Pinto crash fire"
Thank you for pushing back as Misinformation has really gotten out of control lately. Some people genuinely do fear electric cars and the newspapers play to this fear as it generates clicks and revenue.
Follow the money
Equally, when countering misinformation we have to not assume everyone is anti EV
I saw a person who said "Why would you buy a new EV when the costs are plummeting" which imo is a fair thing to say
Someone else said they're talking a load of rubbish. The other person referenced CZcams. Then the person who said they're talking a load of rubbish said that they shouldn't use CZcams as a source
I piped in, and said look that bit is actually true. Electric car values have indeed plummeted. I gave him an evening standard link
He then said "You're using CZcams to pretend you're right and they're only lowering in price because they're getting to the price that meets demand"
I said "Whatever the reason, electric cars are absolutely going down in price, and I referenced the evening standard, not CZcams"
Then I was told "the gist of it is that you're wrong"
I said "even in the face of overwhelming evidence?" I clarified that I'm not anti EV at all and I'd get a Hyundai Kona if they were under 7K and if anything, EVs going down in price is great for most people. My rationale is that I barely drive.
I've not heard of anything since. Sometimes even pro EV people need to see that not everyone is against them. That, and I'm glad EV prices are dropping especially when I don't actually need to drive that often and it's therefore much harder for me to justify upgrading my car
@@waqasahmed939 The same people who said EVs need to be cheaper are using cheaper secondhand EVs as a negative.
If they are too expensive that is wrong, and if they are too cheap that is wrong.
Supply and demand is most likely the fall in price for second hand electric cars and the price of electricity.
My next door neighbour for one is like that.
I mentioned wanting to decarbonise my house.. He said "With all those electrical stuff in your house (referring to my solar panels), are they insured? I said yes. You have to tell your insurance. He also randomly mentioned just stop oil for whatever reason
He said "Good because my house is next to yours"
I then said I did consider getting an EV but I just don't drive that much. Most of my driving is to the tram and back
He said "What if you want to go to Cornwall in an EV"? I said how often is anyone doing that?
He said well people do it for their holidays maybe four times a year. He also mentioned that he's an HGV driver and drives for a living
He said it takes 6 hours one way + 1 hour of charging every two hours which adds on another two hours to your journey "
I was like "But it wouldn't. You could get a Hyundai Kona doing a real world mileage of 200 miles, stop and in 20 minutes you'd be charged up to 80%. Besides you're probably going to stop anyway because you need to go to the toilet"
He kept going on that alleged north to south distance. I said "Look, I get it if you're an HGV driver or even my dad who's a taxi driver and has a terraced house. I get it if driving is your main job main job and if driving is your main job AND you've got nowhere to charge but it's fine for the majority"
He still wasn't buying it and said he's apparently never wrong, and he hopes he won't be around when everyone has an EV. He also mentioned another couple of people in the street who got rid of their EVs in favour of cheaper cars. That couple are going through a divorce so they're probably downsizing because divorces aren't cheap
What a fool will believe!
Three years ago I decided to embrace EV’s, to coincide with the installation of solar panels at home, I bought a ev. Let me say what I do for a living and how I use my vehicle. I own 9 amusement arcades on the Yorkshire east coast.
So Saturday sometime three years ago, I woke to a service call in Bridlington, 75 miles from my home, I set 0ff at 9 am and arrived by 10.55, I started off fully charged with 236 miles or range, it was a cool 11 degrees outside, yes I drove with the heater on. I travelled 75 mile and arrived with 122 miles of range left? What? I then had a coffee in Mac Donald’s during which time I got a breakdown of three machines in my bishop Auckland arcade 130miles away, now what, I studied the map on where to charge, two hours later and a small wait, I was at 200 miles, I set off on the two hour journey. I arrived, at 16.55. What had happened to my day, and four hours of lost revenue on my machines. I know had only to miles left, I was 109 miles from home, back to find some place to charge, two hours later I was back at 180, enough to get home so I thought, I arrived home at 1am in the morning shattered with 5 mile range left and stressed to the hilt, a few weeks later I did the same trip in my wife’s diesel car, I filled it up and the range was 650 mile, that was it, I arrived home after a long day at 7pm, I hadn’t though of fuel for the rest of the day.
Two years later, I sold my ev at great loss, it had retained less than 30% of its value, these are not maths or negativity, as an engineer not knowing where my next call is, I can’t easily plan my day or know where I’ll end up, but that day amd many others like it, cost me fours hours extra on an already long day, dare I say I was so tired and stressed I was probably not safe and shouldn’t have driven for those hours, I have never worked such long hours before owning an ev, or since selling it. Diesel just works for me and is my easy option, I retire at 70 next year. I intend to buy a new Renault hybrid next year and will keep it until I hang my hat up or die which ever is the sooner. The charging network didn’t work, was plagued by issues, theft of cables, non working chargers and few and far between in the north of the U.K.
recently my car was in for a service and I was loaned a half charged EQA for the day, the charging network is even worse than 9s was two years ago, due to the number of new EV’s, but chargers not meeting demand, with 20 miles left I was third in line to charge on the motorways services, 4 hours later I drove out, a complete joke, I drove it home, parked it up and used my wife’s, now petrol car until mine was fixed.
Don’t know who’s paying you to say all this, but my experience was totally a complete sham. The cars are nice, but expensive. Compared to petrol equivalents. No sir not for me…. And I don’t agree with what your saying. A quick scroll through autotrader, looking at used prices, across bmw EV’s, Porsche EV’s, Mercedes EV’s, and polestar EV’s, my -previous car shows huge depreciation.
I so don’t agree I have unsubscribed from your channel and won’t be following it any longer, clearly someone is paying for this dribble, not my experience in the real world at all.
They want to price people out of cars electric cars are double the cost of petrol and the depreciation is terrible as well as the battery production in Africa
So, an EV didn't work for you so they must all be bad, and Robert has to be on the take because you don't agree with him, and the charging system will never, ever, ever be better, and EVs will never be cheaper, and no one else should ever buy an EV ever.
Got it. I think we all know who you are now.
@@Hybridogpublic charging infrastructure is decreasing not increasing. Not a good start is it
Couldn’t of said it any better, that’s exactly why I will never own a battery EV
@@seekeroftruthandjust where is it decreasing?
Debate Geoff Buys Cars .
All this FUD directed at EVs is driving down the prices of used EVs and they're now selling at a discount to their ICE equivalents. So, if you're in the market for a used EV, especially those coming off lease, this is a great time
I actually think this Is a great flipside to all the bullshit, every time I hear another negative story I think my first EV is one step closer. It will also speed up people buying second hand EVs so it is also a shot in the foot by oil companies. In 10 years time only people that do long journeys and morons will be buying ice cars.
But if you were going to buy a new one remember the value of it will drop faster than Jordan's knickers.
@@timfallon8226 But someone has to buy new ones for there to be used ones........ It's probably fair to say that most new EV's are bought on company leases. But of course once those leases end, the cars will be sold on the open market......
I think the big part is the high prices of a new EV compared to a ICE car. You get a nice luxery ICE car for the same price as a EV. You dont have to worry since you know the infrastructure for fuel etc works with a ICE car, while EV are not there yet. I dont see EV's getting cheaper, rather the other way, more expensive in the future.. probably making the car a luxery item that not all people can afford.
@@AndrewTSq the infrastructure depends where you live. Some places have lots some none.
Thanks guys. I wholeheartedly support your campaign to dispel the fake news and disinformation about EVs. I'm already a convert to electric vehicles, but applaud your efforts and have shared your content on social media. Keep up the good work! 👍🏼
You are talking out of your rear exhaust. I'm the one everyone says they got the fake news from.
Sorry EVs are done and you would think they would be aware that Toyota, Honda, Ford and even Porsche have all said they are getting away form them and Nissan said they are too expensive.
@@saintallnights7239 Source?
@@waqasahmed939 Yes.
Next question.
Do you know how a search engine works? And Google is not a search engine.
Worked a very long time to get to this point. When people find out who I am, there's going to be a big shock.
Oh and I'm the source.
Multi-disciplimed scientist, high IQ, turned down PhD, GCHQ and others, over 220 predictions accurate in various sciences and politics and I'm beh8nd most of the revelations everyone in the world is talking about.
The biggest shocks of all will be discovering my motivations and how much evidence I possess.
I'm also linked to a number of real science and news groups.
Hold onto your butts.
Well done I have been lobbying my MP Kemi Badenoch by writing and sending her information and links to items on your show. So far I get the stock reply. We mere mortals siply don't have an effective route to those that have the real infuence. I get the impression that career polititans such as my MP really dont care, its whatever will win them their jobs back no more than that.
Are these jokers serious?? There was a large toxic fire at the WRX championship, lots of toxic pollution and risk to human life, last week. This week a massive toxic fire destroys a huge cargo ship carrying cars, , abandoned and polluting the air and sea massively, killing and harming human life. Let 1 ev go up in a multi story car park. Everyone's insurance will have to go up. The potential to destroy property and human life is really a very serious problem. There is the damage caused to the roads from these heave EVs too... And of course, the environmental cost.
I'm an automotive engineer, but even then, people will believe some stupid article over my knowledge. Infuriating. There is some of this fud in the Netherlands too though.
Yes. They have rapid depreciation and the battery will only have 50% left in 5 years🤡👍. But great for anxiety.
We picked up our EV from Kia three years ago, at the the time I had more knowledge about EVs than the KIA salesman, that was due to the fact that I have been watching Fully Charged for more than five years. When charging I am often approached by people with a ton of questions and often with stupid remarks about EVs and their “many problems”, misinformation is definitely a factor holding many back from buying EVs.
Same here i got my first Kona in 2019 and i knew how to drive it 100 miles home by watching Fully charged and a few other videos , And when im charging i get get the same people asking stupid questions, i remember a guy telling me Tesla wont last long they will soon be beaten by the German's.
@@rodden1953 who? the Germans who just took some old models they already made and retro-fitted them with batteries and motors and fobbed those heavy lumps off as EVs? Those Germans? As much as I dislike a lot of what Musk says and does, the EV industry has Tesla to thank for where we are now, with the number and quality of vehicles available.
@@peterhetherington914 If by "Germans" you mean VW, I have to tell you that their subsidiary, Skoda, makes the excellent Skoda Enyaq (in the Czech Republic). The Enyaq has been rated better than the Tesla Model Y by various motoring organisations and the UK Consumers Association has reached the same conclusion. Cupra, aka Seat, have good models too.
@@peterhetherington914 It was what some old guy was telling me , i didnt say it .
@@rodden1953 yes, I understood it was not your point of view, after all you drive an EV
The UK opted-out of manufacturing in 2016. Obviously there is simply no point in establishing an automotive or consumer goods factory in a place with such a small domestic market. It joined Europe when it could no longer sell to the Commonwealth. All it can rely on for income now is money-laundering and other dubious banking practises.
New Jeep Avenger EV is selling so poorly that the brand is now launching petrol versions in more and more markets, including the UK.
I'm always trying to dispel myths about EV driving. I'm sure the oil companies are behind much of the misinformation.
I agree with that. Oil and gas is the biggest money generating Industrie for the last 50 years. They won't accept a loss of money just like that.
There are also the established parts, servicing industries as well as vehicle manufacturers who are still only making ICE and "self charging" hybrids.
Then you have the black hat 🎩 EV supporter like me. I drive an EV for the fuel cost savings, responsiveness, and fast quarter mile times for a relatively affordable price. But I'd buy an EV even if it emitted more CO2 - I don't care about my carbon footprint - this shuts down the battery production pollution argument by the 'other' crowd.
No, I just think it's now public knowledge that they're not for everyone.
nothing to lose and everything to gain by spending a small % of income for this purpose.
The pothole one makes me laugh...it can't possibly be anything to do with the trend to SUVs or loads of delivery vans on the road. The RAC has written a good reprot on tyres too, dispelling the tyre wear myth.
Heavy cars in general will add to this problem.
And it certainly cant have anything to do with half a century of paved roads without dramatic improvements in paving technology.
@@PjotrStroganovno where near as much as all the fuel tankers driving around to restock all the petrol stations
Bring back steam rollers to build roads properly,but electric powered versions!!!
@@Sp_75-76 Around 25% of *all* the diesel produced is used to deliver the rest of it to where it is sold or stored......
One thing that has been brought to my attention recently is the issue of mobility cars in the UK going electric. My mum is due a new mobility car and she has had a double knee and hip replacement, so has real mobility issues. For the past month my dad has kept note of the electric charging points in places near to them that they often go. At home they need to park off street, so can’t charge. Every single point he has found is either at the far end of the car park or in a location that means, at least for my mum, far too much walking. With the amount of mobility cars on the road, this is an issue that is going to need a solution in the very near future
Yes. EV charge points should be right at the front of the car park, along with spaces for the disabled and those with kids. That would have the added bonus of making them more visible and deterring any vandalism attempts.
With the RoboTaxi coming up, folks with limited mobility need to be accommodated.
Tesla's Taxi concept so far has not considered this but I have tried to highlight this as an issue with various 'connected' CZcamsrs.
Just one what happens if you can't charge at home answer please
I think, as with a lot of the EV issues. They are really only viable if you can charge at home and use locally. Many of the public chargers cost more than diesel anyway. Your mum would do better to stick with an ICE until there is a U-turn on the ICE legislation
Good one mate they haven't really thought about this its gonna take a long time gonna be billions not fare on people who have trouble waking 👍
This is the first time that I have come across your channel. I own a 10 year old diesel vehicle and haven’t switched because I simply cannot afford to buy another vehicle. I would love to own an electric vehicle in the future and hope that the infrastructure and the technology will be there to make my transition seamless.
I hear you on that! I own an 11 year old diesel. If I may ask, how many km/miles do you typically travel in a day? Also, are you able to install a charger at your home/business? If I bought an EV with the same features as my (Chrysler 300) diesel, I'd be looking at A LOT of money! My car can achieve between 600 and 900km on a tank. Mind, I have only travelled 900km _once_ in a day since I've owned it.
I think new cars with electric instead of petrol/diesel engines will ultimately be the same price as each other. (There’s obviously no point in manufacturers making them un-obtainable) so I don’t think future “prices” will be an issue, in any sales environment.
We must remember also that in the U.K. in particular, outright vehicle purchase is extremely rare now anyway. For the last decade or so most new cars are purchased via a three/four year lease purchase scheme, so finite battery life anxiety should not be an issue at this stage.
@@philtucker1224 It is an issue because lease costs depend on the terminal resale value of the vehicle. EV resale prices have collapsed because nobody trusts the residual battery life on a used EV after four years.
Consider yourself lucky, I have a 10 year old diesel, can't afford to change my car, live inside the new ULEZ zone and will be hit by £12.50 a charge a day. Khan is using net-zero / air quality horror stories to force in another tax that is going to hit so many people and it's just to raise money. This is only the start and pay per mile is in the works.
I’ve got an EV and have no plans to go back!! Going to a petrol station again puts me off
Yeah filling up hundreds of miles of range in minutes and being able to pay with cash/card without an account, how awful.
@@burnzy3210 Clearly you are unaware that all new chargers in the UK must provide the option for payment using contactless, no silly accounts or apps. The Tesla NACS + account model is obsolete. The sooner we get rid of all accounts and apps the better. Buying charging should be no more complicated than paying for anything else that is inexpensive.
@@burnzy3210 Charging from home while sleeping is far more convenient and less costly.
Sitting around for 40+ mins waiting for a charge when I've got stuff to do puts me off! I guess you've got plenty of time on your hands or go no where but the supermarket!
@@JakeRichardsongFor now.
Thank you all, you certainly have my support and I have just subscribed to FairCharge and added my name to that campaign. Well done for bringing our attention to that and the need to combat the media rubbish!
How strange that everyone bashes the macmaster when he's the only one who's telling people About EV's while driving around in one and showing the real time problems, instead of sitting in front of a Mikrophon bashing others.
Just signed up to StopBurningStuff on Patreon. Can't even get the Honda and Nissan dealerships here in Dubuque to turn on the ChaDeMo or mixed fast chargers that they have installed. I'm participating in an event in September where I will be talking up my 2018 Leaf and other EVs, and your correction of disinformation will be essential.
"We will do it with grace, and we will do it with transparency, and we will do it with honor and expertise." Gave me a thrill.
Rowan Atkinson was given the Goodwood Festival of Speed slot to reinforce his views on evs citing Hydrogen as a better solution, he needs inviting as a guest and see if his opinions can stand up to reasoned arguments!
It's intriguing to observe, in a way, this display of chaos and panic. Corporations are known to act impulsively when they're backed into a corner, an action which often accelerates their downfall. This, in essence, is them inadvertently facilitating their own demise.
Manufactures are the ones killing the electric car off.
If they aimed electric cars at the masses rather than the rich and stripped off all the crap no one wants making a cheap and simple EV then they would sell and sell in great numbers.
Most people just want a simple two door hatchback, basic mechanical/tactile controls like a basic petrol car has today, a real gear knob and handbrake, not the push button or twist crap they insist on adding.
Add satnav and aircon, apart from that the car needs nothing, just give it a semi decent range, 200 miles would do it and sell it for 12 to 15 grand.
Speed at least 70mph for motorway reasons.
And before anyone disagrees with me this is what China does and they in their own country alone outsell the likes of Tesla world wide.
The future of the electric car lies with cheap transport for masses, not play things for the rich, car manufactures need to listen to their customers instead of forcing what they want on others.
@@dave4803 No mater How you look at it Electric is the way forward. You've raised a number of valid points that suggest manufacturers need to reconsider their approach to EV production and marketing.
Rather than focusing solely on the luxury market, companies could significantly increase adoption of electric vehicles by offering more affordable, no-frills options tailored to the needs of everyday drivers. There's certainly a strong demand for simplistic and practical EVs that offer the comfort of traditional elements, such as tactile controls, physical gear knobs and handbrakes, as opposed to more modern, digital counterparts.
Furthermore, features like satellite navigation and air conditioning, along with a respectable range of around 200 miles, would indeed make for an appealing and affordable EV option. A top speed that supports highway travel would also be essential for many potential buyers.
As you rightly pointed out, China's strategy of catering to a broader consumer base has led to impressive sales within their borders, surpassing many well-known global brands. This indicates a significant potential for mass-market, budget-friendly electric vehicles.
Manufacturers need to understand and prioritize consumer needs and preferences, rather than pushing their own agendas. If the goal truly is a more sustainable future with widespread EV adoption, manufacturers must recognize the necessity of affordable, practical electric cars, not just high-end models for a niche market.
@@dave4803 agree completely. I think the low price Tesla Model 2/whatever you want to call it will open the floodgates. If MG and BYD can ramp up their efforts we can have choice and affordability
@@dylanadams1455 Yes.
Call me old fashioned but I like a car to be like a car, not a laptop on wheels.
I want simple things like a machinal hand brake and a normal gear knob, these things are better to the touch and connect a driver to the car.
But everything being push button or touch screen doesn't feel right and it puts off a lot of people.
Until they make a EV more like a traditional car, fix the price and give the car a semi decent range of 200 miles they will never appeal to everyone.
Even the likes of MG and BYD still force a hateful electronic hand brake and the turn switch gear selector on customers.
Real drivers don't like these things and until they listen they will never sell them in great numbers.
People will sooner hold onto their old petrol cars.
@@dave4803 There is no need for a gear knob in a EV there point less. Yes we Need more affordable Evs and they will come from the likes of Mg, Byd, Tesla, and others most of the Early evs have Been talked about the thing Luxury market Because developing a new platforms is not cheap this is the sector that can afford to pay the high costs. Now the likes of Tesla Perfected them platforms they can Start to make them more affordable.
I notice how EV's are championed by people who are quite well off & who do not have to rely on one vehicle! 🙄
Spot & On.....
I noticed that too, funny isn't it...
Whole wave of cope cages here... with this lot... they've invested so much into this tech , they can't walk back on it.
@@bobbuilder6669 You are right I have invested a lot of money in my car and am now driving the best car I have ever had at an average cost of 3p per mile, minimal servicing costs, no ULEZ charges, and which I intend to run as long as I can
I have had it for 16 months and only lost 1 mile of range in that time so why on earth would I want to back out of it
@@Sp_75-76Hows the depreciation of your ev going..?
I hope you ev owners thank all the children mining the cobalt so you can feel good. I hope you have as nice a day as these kids do
Its not just newspapers, CZcams has been suggesting lots to watch from EV detractors to me.
Oh yes, they're certainly out there all right. And some of them are becoming quite slick at peddling nonsensical EV cobblers.....
As I have been an EV fan for years but sadly not an owner due to my disability/unemployment the last 4 years I do spend around an hour or more a day on social media defending and correcting the miss information on EVs and renewable technology. Usually its the same miss information over and over again so any help with fact-checking will be helpful. I would say its mostly coming from our North American and UK "friends" but I'm pleased to see more owners replying to the mistruths more so lately.. Maybe its just me looking in the wrong place but the correct information regarding cobalt and lithium mining I find hard to correct people on as I'm not clear on the good and bad parts and if anything is improving in that area?
Me too and I think a good future for society will be a well developed local transport network that precludes many of us having to own our own individual cars at very high monthly personal cost.
@@philtucker1224 sadly seems to be difficult to get governments and people to accept to pay for the massive improvements we all need to public transport. Also it's also difficult to get people to accept the longer travelling times for instance I would need to get multiple buses to travel 3 miles (5 miles out of a city centre ) as it will take me over an hour but in a car it's 10 minutes (I'm partially disabled) it's also not practical at all in certain areas outside of cities.
@@markreed9853 yes I thoroughly agree. I do daily family school runs for 3 schools in our area for grandchildren of varying ages and not one of them has a viable bus option so it has to be by car which is very regrettable and expensive.
You are being misguided then
Let’s not delude ourselves about this. Mining generally has been a critical form of income for many people in mineral rich countries for hundreds of years and can provide employment where nothing else exists. We also need to be aware that ( particularly with weather generated renewables) due to their intermittent nature battery development is the only way to make these systems practical so large home-based battery banks and “power walls” will become much more common place over the next 50 years.
Thank you for a thoughtful piece. I had noticed an uptick in FUD stories too. Thanks for your channel. You gave me the confidence to purchase my first EV, a second-hand Nissan Leaf, a purchase which for me has given me the confidence that a more climate-positive action is possible.
Own 2 electric vehicle, 32 solar panels, no fossil feuls in my life, no going back ever.
If only everyone was affluent enough to do so. There are many people who don't even have space to charge one vehicle.
I've spotted this and glad to see you guys have picked up on it too. The issue is that EVs can be charged using YOUR home generated solar energy, something a few colleagues are already doing. So guess what, they want to push hydrogen and so called clean carbon fuels for ICE engines because big oil wants to keep control of energy production, distribution and sale.
Hydrogen is years off...the amount of new infrastructure to produce it let alone distribute it is enormous.
Because we all live in houses we own with off street parking right?
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Powerwall.
The one that always gets me is the big nationalists that are dead against UK solar and wind. _Surely_ the likes of Farage would be totally pro using British wind produced in Britain for Britain with no influence from those awful foreign countries and their hostile anti-Britain stances? I mean he's totally pro-Britain, right? Not a Russian stoolie or anything.
No, in the UK only 60% of houses have off street parking. However we know of 100's of people with no off street parking who drive electric cars and they and everyone they drive past benefits from their decision.
I have no axe to grind either way. I've always run older cars which cost £2000 or so, then run them for 4 or 5 years, maintaining them myself. My issue is that I can't see how this bangernomics model works 20 years from now. I fear the age of the cheap car is nearly over.
Yep driving will be for the rich and will won’t own our cars will replace every 3 years batteries are thousands of pounds…EV aren’t net zero
@@leonbell5141replacing a car every 3 years is insane. The west is mad. Cars should run for at least 10 years, but that isn't profitable I guess
My (company financed) iX3 is currently on its way from China on a boat. I wonder how long it will be before my new ‘green’ form of transport pays back the vast carbon footprint it has already generated? Never mind the environmental damage that has been caused mining the materials for the battery. Fortunately for me it now allows me to go out and buy a second hand petrol car that I will actually enjoy driving. What a bizarre world we live in.
It will take aprox 70.000 miles, but, since the car will be returned after 3 years and changed for a new one, chances are you will never have a positive footprint.
Now, if we consider the inefficient diesel generators used to charge must EVs ...
Stick with petrol or diesel!!!
I was at a climate change meeting with work yesterday and the speaker said that multi storey car parks will need to be reinforced due to the mass adoption of EVs.
It was also suggested that the roads will melt!!????
I hope you stood up and refuted that nonsense
The problem about a fact checking piece after the fact (and it is important to do that) is that it is significantly less effective...
I've had lots of people mention the Rowan Atkinson piece to me.
I've had no one mention the fact checked corrections to me... (With the exception of EV sites and such)
Also, as someone in the US....
No, this isn't just a British problem... ;-) I figured you guys got that from us...
In the USA, you have a worse problem than here. In the UK, small workshops are sprouting, preserving heritage vehicles and converting them into electric powertrains (Everrati comes to mind). Thanks to Brexit, our mass car industry is essentially end of life and only has little political influence (can't really call JLR, Lotus and McLaren mass car manufacturers). However, the USA have a strong ICE sector battling for survival. Just like the tobacco or the sugar industries, they won't necessarily fight squarely.
@@AegisKPeople took the fact that he had a degree in engineering as some sort of endorsements of his opinion even though he’s never worked in the motor industry. And if he was “duped”, then he’s only got himself to blame for not doing his research which you would expect any educated person to do.
And while we get rebuttals from actual experts rather than celebrities, people don’t know who they are and ignore them!
@@AegisK It all makes sense now!
New supporter here! Great idea to work with the community of the ev drivers. Keep up the good work ❤️
I am a veterinarian in outback South Australia 400km north of Adelaide. We have changed all our vehicles to EVs and it has been a fabulous experience but there is no charging in this part of South Australia. So we have installed a 100% privately funded DC fast charging station in the car park of the local veterinary clinic and it has opened up the Eyre Peninsula to people wishing to tour In an EV. What has surprised us is the disinterest from local and state government.
Look up Greenbushes mine in your country, no way is lithium as a product of electric vehicles eco friendly.
@@ronnierush9379 If you are talking about CO2 burned for the lithium that goes into a battery it is an absolute pittance compared to what the average ICE vehicle burns per year.
People in the UK are broke. Physically, mentally and financially.
Telling them they need to spend £100k on Solar, Home Batteries, Ev chargers, Smart Meters, EPC Home Upgrades, Electric Cars, Heat Pumps and smart subscriptions... isn't going down well.
On top of interest rates, inflation, energy pricing, cost of living & constant barrage of Social & Main Stream Media.
If the Government get the people fighting each other first... it takes the heat off them. People are thick. That's the problem.
Great to see you're fighting for this. I'd love to get involved. When I see these crazy comments and hear them at work, it really annoys me and I have to comment. But in a position way.
I have had my EV for 3years now without a driveway. So no home charging but I'm managing fine😊
What would also help immensely is people who charge at home and very occasionally charge on a long journey stop saying it would be guaranteed to be a nightmare without home charging. In essence they are doing the same as non EV drivers commenting on EVs. Doing the occasional charge on route in no way, shape or form gives you the experience or knowledge of those who live successfully with an EV, but without at home charging.
I bought my first electric car in March this year (2023 for those finding this video in the distant future). I got all of the anti-EV stuff from various family members prior to my purchase (e.g. videos of an EV blowing up in a charging station, somewhere in China I think; the "leave you stranded at the side of the road" stuff, you won't be able to charge it, it won't be cheaper than your old petrol car, yada yada). Needless to say, it has completely failed to explode - it's not even slightly caught fire, nor has it left me stranded anywhere, the tyres have all failed to burst, and I've yet to come back to a pile of rubble when I park it in a multi-storey car park. Clearly, all very disappointing outcomes.... Instead, I get to waft about in near silence (the first few times at traffic lights were eerie - no vibrations, no noise, just the radio playing). I don't even have a fast charger yet, I charge it entirely using the "granny lead". I've not yet had to use ANY public charging infrastructure (and, if I'm honest, that's the ONE aspect of ownership that I'm even remotely jittery about). I'm totally sold so far, and when the lease is up on this car in 2 1/2 years time - by which time I hope Sodium batteries are available, or LiFePo are more widely available, then I shall certainly be replacing it with another EV.
Coming from owning a 2001 supercharged Jaguar XJR - one of the nicest things about owning an EV, is not having to wonder if it'll start in the morning!
You don’t travel long distance 💯 and can afford the initial costs as is a waste of money long term pity the children have to mine the minerals and basically supports China who are the main beneficiaries of electric cars 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Good luck with the residual value.. My 2007 jaguar x-type diesel is going up in price
@@seekeroftruthandjust I had a diesel x-type for a while. Good luck getting anything more than scrap value for it when it inevitably dies in 2-3 years time. DAMHIKT.
@@theelectricmonk3909 Dream on well maintained diesels do not die 😝😝and keeping a 14 year old jaguar on the road is far far cheaper and more environmentaly friendly than buying a new EV with it's massive carbon intensive production and costs
@@seekeroftruthandjust How many miles do you drive each year? Basically, every 70,000 miles your car does, it emits as much CO2 *alone* as it took to make my car (approx 19 tons of CO2). Not to mention that every single time you go anywhere you leave, in additon to the CO2, a cocktail of poisonous fumes e.g. NOx (oxides of nitrogen), particulate matter (PM10 and PM2. 5) as well as SOx (oxides of sulphur), carbon monoxide, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and numerous other harmful emissions. And before you get onto the tyre wear/brake wear thing - you're probably leaving just as much rubber on the road as I am, and way more brake dust - I hardly ever use my actual brakes.
If your car has done less than 70k miles, at it's age, then I'll be amazed. Furthermore, just because it's already emitted its 15-19 tons of CO2 when it was produced, doesn't suddenly make it "green".
Finally: I've only calculated the CO2 at the tailpipe for your car. Obviously there's a whole load more CO2 emitted between sucking the oil out of the ground, transporting it at least quarter of the way around the planet, refining it into diesel, then transporting it to the filling station. Mainly because, I'm bored of googling stuff you could do yourself, just because you're blind to reality.
At least one crew member has died and several others were injured overnight after fire ripped through a car carrier ship off the Dutch coast, with an electric car believed to be the cause.
Rescue helicopters and boats evacuated 23 crew members from the Panamanian-registered Fremantle Highway, a 18,500-ton car-carrying vessel with almost 3,000 vehicles on-board. Officials have said there are 'many' wounded.
Crews could not extinguish the fire
If only all press information was just fact checked, thanks for your work. I’m a domestic gas engineer ironically with a Electric van and want to transition to renewables* edited * I now have some renewables training booked .
Great discussion.
Unfortunately, the rebuttal does not receive the same coverage, clicks, engagement as the misinformation.
Just got an electric car. Best thing ever 🎉
So prove to me that the EV car makers are NOT trying to price out the average working person.
I am a happy owner of a new EV but knew what I was getting in to. As I also own a 14kwh battery bank and solar, it works for me, and I love the Fully Charged Channel and have attended the Fully Charged Show, although not this year due to hospilisattion (and your scam insurers didn't pay out, but that is another story!) However, EV's are being promoted by the Government for high mileage business users that may rely heavily on fast chargers. You really need to say something about the total incompetence of politicians, to have the slightest clue when it comes to infrastructure, regarding grid capacity and fast charging technology. Companies like Octopus and My Energy are great, trying to educate politicians on what is required, but they are careful not to be too outspoken, alienating the very people that we have to rely on making changes for the better. The cost of fast charging is outrageous, probably twice the cost of diesel and this is something people are not told. Also the fast charging network at present, in some parts of the country is not fit for purpose, please don't pretend it is. I'm shure many business users must think they have been sold a lie. EV adoption was going so well, but I feel the government have wasted a golden opportunity and the early EV adopters that have been forced back to ICE vehicles will not switch back until legislation makes them do so. Far from enticing people to make the switch to EV's with incentives it seems the oposite is happening. Sadiq Khan's ULEZ is lunacy, it has very little to do with the clean air everyone deserves and everything to do with taxation, his approach will do nothing to make people that don't have money to put food on the table run out and buy new EV's or cleaner ICE vehicles. Brown Car Guy and others on CZcams have made excellent video's on the subject. It is easy for people like me to be smug and elitist, dictating what others should do, but we all need a reality check on how difficult life is for those who can't make ends meet, and are being forced into extreme poverty. Also those at the top need to lead by example and practice what they preach, there is far too much hypocrisy and box ticking going on by those that have self interests at heart, rather policies that will help mankind and save our planet.
The panorama programme about EVs left me speechless! Apparently the only way to charge your car at home is with a dodgy extension lead through an open kitchen window with your car parked on the pavement 😂I actually laughed out loud. Oh and it's £20 to completely charge your car that way!! Funny that I can charge my car with my windows closed using a zappi charger and it's costing me approx £3.50 a week for 200 miles! I was paying £40 a week for petrol with my previous car. We also have solar panels that are brilliant and will slowly charge the car free of charge. The ignorance is astounding. I love my ID3 it's the best car I've ever had. And no I'm not a millionaire either. It's on a lease!
Lucky you, but if you cannot park out side your house, millions cannot.
@@prof1066 Check out green mole EV for terraced houses :)
Millions can which is a good start and there are plenty of companies working on solutions for public chargers along every road. We saw one at the fully charged show. Stay positive because we are witnessing good changes for future generations.
@@juliedavies5186 How do we get the electricity to the chargers using the old distribution cables currently running under all our streets? Do you know the capacity of those cables and the local transformers they are linked to? How does that compare to the total demand in a typical street in the evening when people plug in their EVs to charge on top of their lighting, heating, cookers and hobs and other household demand?
I’ve been wanting to go electric for months , so 8 days ago I traded on my thirsty 2018 Astra SRI tourer 1.4T petrol for a 2021 Renault Zoe and so far I’m so happy with it! We don’t have off road parking so are reliant on public charging network.
Having done our research we’ve found the cheapest and some free chargers near us including a free rapid charger!
Charging while we go shopping,brilliant!
I have just changed my diesel Yaris verso for a lovely Dacia Spring Expression. Wish I'd done it before, but am so enjoying it. Perfect for my life in the French countryside. No longer having to do 20 km round trips to filling stations, I just plug it in at home. Thanks Fully Charged, keep it up.
That's really cool Trixie, I hadn't though of that situation. I wonder how many other people in more remote areas have to make special trips to fossil fuel filling stations, which could be avoided by having an EV?
Enjoy your Dacia EV.
The biggest issue with electric vehicles, aside from the mining of the rare elements that are required for the batteries, is that people cannot afford them, at least in the UK. The cost of new electric vehicles is horrific, I for one cannot afford to buy one and I'm not poor. That, combined with the depreciation curve, makes EV ownership a pipe dream for many people.
Which rare elements?
@@waywardgeologist2520 Electric cars in general require lithium and cobalt (not rare earths), neodymium, samarium, terbium and dysprosium. But you already knew that. Regardless of whether they are rare or not, they are mined and are of a finite supply, a lot of them also come from countries such as China and Russia, which isn't ideal
Do you think oil is a finite supply? You also say rare earths are used in battery manufacture and then on your reply you seem to go back on your original comment. This is the sort of misinformation spread so maybe you can understand what Robert is trying to do.
@@danthetube5707 Of course oil is a finite supply, but bio-fuels aren't. In any case, you are trying to move the agenda, I never mentioned oil or petrol vehicles in my comment, so why are you trying to move the conversation to that? My points were (1) the supply of materials needed to manufacture EV's and (2) the high post of buying and owning EV's, based on the purchase price and depreciation curve. If you have sensible arguments based on that then I'm happy to listen
@@davidstorm4015 Australia produces around 3 to 4 times more lithium than China does. The South American "triangle" Argentina, Chile and Bolivia are also major producers, again producing more than China or Russia. The US, Canada, Scandinavia, Mexico, South Africa and Cornwall in the UK, also have lithium deposits. The US has around a dozen lithium prospects ongoing, including one 115'000 acre site in Arkansas......There is no shortage of these elements. The issue at the moment, is obtaining them in the quantities required via the supply chains. It is estimated there are around 30 to 40 million tonnes still available. The estimated potential requirement for the next 10 years is 10 to 15 million tonnes.....
As a US consumer that needs to buy a new car I am all for buying an EV, but after doing my research I found that even with the $7500 federal credit EVs are simply out of my budget.
It seems to me that the main obstacle is the greed of car manufacturers, who don't even want to offer inexpensive EVs or PHEVs in the US.
So, for me the only viable option is to buy an inexpensive, reliable and fuel efficient ICE car like a Nissan Versa and plan to buy my EV in 10-15 years, once prices and battery reliability are better.
TBH I even considered paying a bit more for a Prius Prime (and since most of my driving is short range and I will have a charger in my garage, most of its use will be electric), but every indication is that I'd face a waiting list, andbwhen ready to buy I will need it either the same day or at most within a week of placing the order. That pretty much made it a non-option for me.
The rich don’t care they want you to pay for expensive electric cars and into public transport 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Don't forget to factor in your lower fuel costs over the lifetime of the car. That's a good 8,000 for most average drivers. Plus the much lower costs of maintenance over the lifetime of the car. As for the slightly higher up front cost at this time, I think that will get better as early as next year. Good luck!
Prius Prime $32,975, Chevy Bolt EV $27,500, I got a nicely equipped Bolt for $30K. Very reliable.
@@rp9674 Nissan Versa $15k, about the same as those two cars will be worth after about 1 year of depreciation. And far cheaper insurance and repair costs. The Prime is admittedly a better car, but the last time I looked for one in Florida (on the incorrect assumption that the federal rebate would apply) I couldn't find a single one and dealer markups for an order were brutal. The Bolt (not being sold right now) is about the equivalent of a Versa in EV flavor... for twice the price. I'm likely to buy that Versa in the next month or so.
@@nospamallowed4890if you can find a Chevy bolt 1-year-old for 15k, buy it! Even the cheapest gassers like Versa are so much improved over older cars, love stick shift, hate buying gas, oil changes & especially timing belt change.
I DIY changed my timing belt and motor mounts on my Ford Focus I kept it for years as a backup car, never used it, got rid of it
Brilliant initiative gents; thanks for making a stand for common sense!
I’m fighting them daily on all major social media platforms.
They all think EVs are worse for the environment.
They still think Batteries can’t be recycled.
They think mining is worse than pumping for oil.
I went to a car show yesterday and one individual insisted that I’ll need to buy a new battery in 10 years. I told him a Tesla Model 3 has 375,000 miles right now and he said that’s just that one outlier.
In USA EV sales from 3rd quarter 2021 was at 3.7% to the 3rd quarter in 2022 was 6.1%
I posted about this and some guy said the reason was there were not enough petrol cars made and so people had to buy EVs! LOL
But he also said that the 1st quarter 2023 the sales tanked. HAHA. Unfortunately for him the real stats state that the sales for the 1st quarter 23 in the USA was at 7.1%.
So, it was an increase.
If it keeps going up like this, then in 6 years 100% of NEW Vehicle sales will be Electric.
I think they are really scared about it and scared of change.
I bought my 1st LEAF in 2012
Me and my EV Friends crash Gas Car Shows with our EVs to teach regular citizens about EVs.
I’ve been told that Tesla doesn’t test their vehicles and if you slam the door too hard the car will blow up. HAHA, someone actually told me this and she was driving a convertible corvette.
There’s so many unintelligent people out there with so many strange facts about EVs.
I’m trying to spread the word about EVs to people who don’t own them but it seems that 90% of the comments I get are negative.
Keep up the good work
@@LiiMuRi Thanks.
Recycling isn't magic
I love that you are gate crashing car shows. Great job shaking up the status quo! In December I asked to bring some electric cars and an electric van to a car show that is held annually in a seaside resort here in Australia and usually full of the old ICE vintage cars. To my surprise, the organisers thought it was great idea and changed the show to all electric, which I wasn't expecting. Had a great response. Visitors were shocked at the variety of EVs (and we only have a tiny selection here as we're still living in the last century) and they spent more time chatting with owners than with the salesmen from the manufacturers. Every convo plants a seed and seeing the cars in the wild changes minds. People power for the win.
@@NAY2GAS as long it keep people away from buying -Elon- Tesla cars, I support the anti EV propaganda. 🙃😎
A timely and interesting case study in journalism. I can use this in the classroom. Thanks!
I am on of "those" people that likes my wife's PHEV. We can do the shopping and small commutes without adding to the atmospheric detritus in the city. We can charge relatively cheaply at home without specialised tariffs. when we use the ICE engine it is backed up by the EV portion so it doesn't sit there crapping out particulates in traffic - but we also do not need to deal with the current challenges with regards to long journeys. for all in tent it is an EV for over 60% of our use cases, but its also a convenient car where an EV would not be (for example long breaks in the lake district where we do not have an agenda or a plan). what's weird is that its clearly a compromise car, you find normal hybrids are probably more efficient hybrids and real BEVs are better at electrical travel - but that compromise really works if it fits your usecase's (and in our case, it does).
I'm in Portugal,and was thinking about getting a Dacia electric/LPG hybrid,or an electric quad bike,but I had been put off by the rumours. Thanks for setting the record straight!!!
Just be aware that LPG seems to be on the slide in many areas now. Here in the UK, Shell are decommissioning *all* their LPG assets. LPG is actually a filthy fuel. The emissions during refining are horrendous, although the end user doesn't see these.
@@Brian-om2hhsame as buying a new EV every 3 years but seems like most EV shills in UK don't like the truth about how dirty that business is.
These "EV-negative" stories go viral because they feed into what people already think/hope to be true... 😕
I agree. People clutch onto anything that means they don't need to consider changing from what is familiar.
I once listened to a talk from a fascinating guy, who among other things, was described as a futurist. Using the q&a he was asked what a futurist was. He laughed, “Most people live in the past so I talk about the present & they think it’s the future, some businesses actually pay me for it too” I thought it was very apt.
Working in a garage its depressing the sheer amount of misinformation around, most of my customers do not know I have an electric car (well phev, but we also have full electric), some I tell and they are surprised that I have a 9 year old car that 1. hasn't caught fire, 2. hasn't had 3 sets of batteries, 3. doesn't automatically try and run over children. (its also a diesel plug in hybrid so electric car fans hate it too! and petrol heads..)
I get told all sorts of crazy arguments, one guy got really angry with me when I asked if he considered the environment when buying any of his previous vehicles, so why does he care all of a sudden about the environment now electric cars exist. Ignoring environmental positives (in my view) simply driving an electric car is more enjoyable to me, yet before people doing burnouts and removing the dpf's or cat's of the car to make it sound better because emissions aren't real are suddenly concerned about how green electric cars are, just boggles the mind.
Thanks for this video. You are doing a great job. I have owned an EV for 4 months and I could not be more delighted with it. Even driving to the fish and chip shop is a pleasure! I am getting a 300 mile range at the moment. Recently, I drove 165 miles from south Manchester to York and back. I left home on 81% charge and returned with 27%. I didn’t even need to charge en route.
This style of video appeals to logical analytical people like me. The challenge we face is that most people do not have the time or patience to research things in detail. They believe headlines and react emotionally. And of course bad news is more exciting than good news. The stories and videos that grab most attention are showing all the problems that one can encounter with an EV - usually wildly exaggerated. As you mentioned, we need you to demonstrate real life stories of people using their EVs with no drama whatsoever. The challenge is that stories in which nothing goes wrong are rather boring, so some creativity is needed!
I'm right behind you guys. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I just signed up. Thanks to all three of you and your team members for ALL YOU DO!
Spread misinformation you mean
The Elephant in the room is not just that like other cars they can catch fire, but if you park in a Garage at home, a fire can destroy two Cars, the House, and maybe your Family. Spontaneous combustion while parked is unacceptable unless a very rare event.
Hi, I am a subscriber and a regular viewer of the channel. I really enjoy your videos, so thank you for producing them.
I don’t usually comment but I wanted to share my opinion following your ‘ Who is trying to kill…..’ vlog.
I am an average person living in the UK and I’m not involved in any way with the media. I can only really afford to purchase & run one car at a time. My views may, therefore, be reflective of other people living in the UK.
I do not own an EV and am not planning to purchase one in the foreseeable future. I’m not saying that I’ll never buy an EV, I may do when some of the developments you mention in your videos become reality.
To me, the purchase of any vehicle is an important one. After my house, a car is the largest purchase I’ll ever make so the decision of what to buy has to be correct.
The reason I have not purchased an EV is simple; they are far too expensive and do not meet my needs as well as an ICE vehicle. That’s it, it is nothing to do with what I’ve heard from a celebrity or what I’ve read in the newspapers.
I need a vehicle that is fairly priced, safe, reliable, seats 5 adults in comfort, provides me with convenience, saves me time, doesn’t depreciate rapidly and looks reasonably good. At the moment, on balance, an ICE vehicle delivers these needs better. If the balance changes in favour of EVs I will switch.
As I share the sentiments of this channel, if I could, I would buy an EV as a second vehicle to use locally, but, unfortunately, that is not possible.
I also have doubts on the government’s commitment to EVs as all our prominent leaders are still driving around in large ICE vehicles and are not leading by example.
I’d welcome your comments.
I totally, 100% agree with you.
I know there are electric vehicles available now that are more than adequate for what you state you need. No question.
However, they are all new cars, and new cars are very expensive.
I didn't lease a new car until I was in my late 50's. I always had very old, battered, worn out vehicles which I can now see, trapped me in an endless round of mechanical anxiety, breakdowns, endless expensive engine, gearbox, clutch repairs.
I may have got the car for £250 but it cost me £5,000 over 5 years to run it, and that does not include the expensive fuel it burnt very very efficiently.
So I am hoping I live long enough to see a huge 2nd, and 3rd hand EV market. The cars will last longer and require less expensive repairs, they will be cheaper to run.
So for the time being, keep the vehicle you've got and don't worry about it. Electric cars will happen anyway, the more wealthier people and companies buy now (massive growth in sales even this year) the sooner there will be decent 2nd hand cars around.
And just in case you are wondering. By June this year, 18,000 new rapid chargers were installed, there are also some interesting solutions fro alternatives to home charging emerging.
@@fullychargedshow Thanks for your reply. Actually I only buy new cars and I bought a new Mazda 6 GT Sport last year. My point is that a comparably sized / speced EV costs at least double, maybe three times, the price. As you say leasing is an option but high purchase prices plus interest charges make monthly repayment too high. I’m also unsure how much demand there’ll be for second hand EVs - the battery in my iPhone only lasts half as long after two years. If the same is true in vehicles who would want to buy one? Time will tell I guess.
In August 2018 I bought a year-old Kia Soul EV. Recently it passed 100,000 miles, and its 27kWh battery still does about 100 miles on a charge, not significantly less than when I first had it. From Southampton I make regular trips to Somerset and London, and have been to Cardiff, Bedford and Stratford-on-Avon, though sometimes time constraints have meant that I have needed to take a different car to various airports, to Kent and to West Wales. All of these trips are feasible in my car but they would need a bit of determination and planning. A car with even an extra 50 miles of range would make it all very easy, as few humans can go that far without a stop! Over the time I have had the car I've had struggles with charging, but things have got noticeably easier every year. It's cheap to run, powerful and quiet, though it is in truth pretty ugly to look at. People still tell me that EVs are not ready, even as I fulfil nearly all my journeys in a car that is anything but state of the art.
There are issues with EVs, of course. They are still expensive to buy, and I know that I was lucky to be able to get the funds together to buy one, which many people won't be able to do until there is a good supply of cheap second hand vehicles. People, often people who ignore the ethics of other modern products, talk about the issue of cobalt in batteries being unethically sourced, but modern EV batteries have more or less eliminated cobalt, whilst it continues to be used in refining petrol and diesel as well as in the smartphones and laptops that the misinformation is typed on. Some sources claim that they are just as polluting, but in truth they are much less polluting over the same distance than petrol cars, even if they are charged from fossil sources, and the grid is increasingly decarbonising. EVs will never compete with walking, cycling or public transport in making a positive contribution to the world around them, but while our infrastructure continues to favour private vehicles they are the best thing we have.
I have joined we are on our 2nd EV and never going back keep up the good work
I've been watching you for a while now and this appeal marks a watershed not just in your vision but also for the British press as a whole. Quentin alluded to the BBC reporter and it is about time that the British press was held to account for all the misinformation, lies and downright deceipt it vomits into the faces of our poor populace. Let's get to the facts and let's start calling everything out.
But we can't do everything and I applaud your aim to call-out 'leccy lies and counter with the tailpipe truths.
Let's get one thing straight though. I am a self-confessed petrolhead. I have recently converted from a stupidly powerful SUV (20mpg) to a similarly stupidly powerful diesel saloon (40mpg) - so I've done a bit to drive down CO2 emissions. Now, you can see I can afford to buy a leccy shopping trolley and most are suitably powerful to satisfy my power crazed urges but I just can't do it. The quality, performance, price equation still does not stack up. I can't get it all for the same price - I have to compromise. And there's "range anxiety" but for me that's not really what it is. It's time anxiety. My daughter has a heart condition. My parents are old and in Scotland while I live near Heathrow. If I spend a day depleting my battery, I may not have enough left for that emergency situation. It preys on my mind. But I'm sure that in reality it is fine. But I can't afford to spend all that money on a compromised solution that might not work in the extreme situations that I know a petrol/diesel vehicle will. You need to be able to tackle the emotions around all potential use cases.
I'm reasonably educated and can see that the press spouts loads of anti-green phlegm and it's all designed to pull attention away from the critical message: we must move away from putting CO2 into the atmosphere. They tout particulate problems but lets get real, particulates are not an existential problem for the whole of humanity. They may affect a percentage of humans but right now it is not a priority. Let's nip that one in the bud. We need concentration on CO2 emissions.
However, and here is the kicker guys. I don't buy the "electrical route is the only path to God" evangelism the you and your likes spout. And trust me, it really does come across that way. As I said, I am reasonably educated but when I see so much trying to force something down my throat and governments legislating for a single path, I am naturally suspicious. Just think what most people think about you! You need to present a balanced view. If electrical really is the only future, there are a lot of people out there who are not going to be able to be mobile in 2030/35 because they either can't afford it or they can't charge effectively/cost-effectively at home or they don't have a use case that matches the current technology. These people are currently in the majority or at least they think they are. You can't win with further evangelism.
And what about alternative fuels? Why doesn't hydrogen or synthetic fuels have a place at the table? I'm genuinely confused as to why it's always just electricity that is put forward. Electric cars have a higher CO2 cost of entry, and so why isn't fuel technology that allows us to use the existing investment in ICE with minor mods also put forward as a solution? Are alternative fuels really not a contender? Nobody has effectively explained to me why it isn't. Or why it can't be a transition technology - it is in theory still better than burning petrol or diesel. Remember we are purely focussed on the reduction in CO2 production and absolutely nothing else, so explain why it won't work or adopt them as part of the overall solution. (You might need to change your name a little to accommodate: The Alternative Fuelly Charged Show?)
You really need to be better at explaining all the options. You need to accept that any incremental change that reduces our overall CO2 footprint is a good thing and has a place. You need to show the vision and the roadmap to the better future. By embracing all forms of improvement you can bring more people on the journey. I doubt there are many people who would disagree that we need to cut carbon emissions but there are far too many who don't think electrical cars work or can be the only solution now or in the near future. You need to show what else can be done in the next 20 years or so.
The Earth thrive on CO2. Without it the vegetation & people will die!
What is your comment on why used EVs are difficult to sell and the value has dropped drastically?
Small personal anecdote: one of my (Austrian) friends here in the US is a big car enthusiast who has been driving a number of high performance cars over the years, including Porsches, Mercedes, and Jaguars. Ever since I bought my first EVs (first a Nissan Leaf, then a Tesla Model 3, recently a Model Y) he's been bombarding me with anti-EV articles from the German and US press. All the usual stuff about burning EVs, parking garages collapsing, overloading the power grid etc. Currently he drives a Jaguar F-Type convertible and until recently a Nissan Murano. A couple of weeks ago he surprised me by buying a Kia EV6 on a whim, replacing the Murano, just because he was bored and had money to burn. Within two weeks he fell in love with it and barely drives his F-Type anymore. He has been raving about beating everyone at the light, and the effortless way it drives in general. Point being, for most people all it takes is the actual experience of driving an EV for a little bit to become converts.
Speaking of EV-hostile presses, while Britain is certainly up there, the German press is in a league of its own, as befits a leading ICE manufacturing country. Incumbent special interests exert massive pressure on the press, and the national mindset is still very captive to combustion. Publications such as Bild and Focus try to outdo each other in hating on EVs. But even serious outlets such as Der Spiegel, which have increasingly shifted to pragmatic pro-EV stances can at times fall back on old reflexive habits of questioning the shift, in the name of "Technologieoffenheit" (openness to technology), the darling term of the political opposition to the transportation transition. I'm encouraged though by the general shift of the readership within the last 2-3 years, no doubt a direct result of more and more people actually experiencing driving EVs.
So not having anywhere near the charging infrastructure in the UK is not a problem? And when you find a charging point the cost is crazy.
Is this not enough chargers for you? Note there are about 8,000 petrol stations in the UK and decreasing (source - Statistica).
“At the end of June 2023, there were 44,408 electric vehicle charging points across the UK, across 25,521 charging locations. This represents a 36% increase in the total number of charging devices since June 2022.
How many EV charging points in the UK
Last month, 1,677 new EV charging devices were added to the Zapmap database.
These figures show how many electric charging points in the UK there are that are part of the country’s public EV charging infrastructure. However, they do not include the many charge points installed at home or at workplace locations, which are estimated to be more than 400,000. Some of these EV charging points are available to the public in some form via community or visitor charging.”
Source ZapMap
There are not enough charging points in the UK and how many of the charging points we have are not actually working?
@@EVinstructor you only spend 5-6 minutes in a petrol station that is not the case at a charge point,we have a problem.
@@johnwoodruff3487 in the evening it takes me about 15 seconds to plug my car in. In the morning about 15 seconds to unplug it. Because I have free electricity at Tesla Superchargers at the moment I visit the one about 4 miles from my home if I finish work nearby. 20 to 30 minutes and it’s full. While there I’ll deal with my business admin of the day, messages, emails, accounts.
I’ve owned EVs for four and a half years, the Tesla for 7 months. If I didn’t fill up on the free electricity I would only have had to use rapid chargers twice since owning the Tesla on a long journey to get dual controls fitted to the car. 220 miles each way.
If I do the 50 mile journey to visit my mother I pass about a dozen rapid chargers. There could be more since I last counted. Then, as a Tesla driver I pass another 16 Superchargers I can use. Don’t need any of them of course because the car is good for 250 to 300 miles.
I spend less time fuelling my EV than filling with petrol. Plugging in overnight takes seconds. When I go for the free electricity at the supercharger plugging in takes seconds and I just sit in the car doing things I’d sit on the sofa doing. It’s easier than living with an ICE car.
I think the biggest hindrance to EV adoption, at least here in the US is ICE car Dealerships. They
just don't want to sell EV's. I have yet to see any Ice Dealer serious about selling them. Most would
rather not have them on their lots as not much of the same maintenance as an Ice vehicle. They are
not wise enough yet to see what products and services to market to an EV owner.
Exactly. Margins on ICE cars are paper-thin, so the only way to survive in a garage is maintenance and ... guess what ... EVs don't have any. Since manufacturers charge for employee training programmes (to have the workshop staff certified to work on high-voltage systems), I understand that dealerships don't see the ROI. Yet.
The biggest hindrance for say the developing world is also their energy grids being God awful
"Slows the transition"
Slows the transition of private transport to the most wealthy 10%.
"Electric cars aren't for everybody"
That's the truth. The 90% will be forced out.
And people who don't live in dense population areas are completely forced out.
"Electric cars work"
Electric motors work, for sure. Everything runs off batteries nowadays. The battery technology is rubbish.
"There's new battery technology coming"
They've been saying that for at least 50 years. About twenty years ago they were saying that aluminium batteries were going to change the world. We're still waiting.
Beware of cons.
Thank you so much for doing this. I thought about it when I was at Fully Charged North, and as you say the disinformation has only got worse since. I ordered an MG4 yesterday so I'm soon to join the fold!
You'll get one of the revised ones which *does* have a rear screen wiper..... It seemed to be a deal breaker for some.
Put some Rain-x on that rear
Excellent ideas and initiative to fact check the nonsense. Thank you for standing up for rational discussion.
Fact-check? Not do good on current news, are we?
Keep up the good fight. I am a petrol head, but ev are just great vehicles for everyday use. I will soon say goodbye to my last ice vehicle and will be fully electric soon. Even my series 2a landrover is going electric.
It’s so, so difficult here in the UK to discuss issues sensibly. It’s refreshing to hear a logical, sensible discussion for once. It staggers me to listen to silly, uninformed comments daily about EVs, when really the only thing against them currently is our hopeless public charging network. Bravo.
This is great news. I too have noticed what appears to be a recent uptake in anti EV news, I guess it’s because the clock is ticking down and EV sales are up.
Yes, exactly. The increase in anti EV BS is quite noticeable just now...... Here on CZcams there are 3 or 4 prime BS peddlers, who are so well practiced, they've virtually turned it into an art form.....
I decided to buy an EV as my next car in 2018. I have an Aptera on order. They hit my price point first. Your videos helped me make this mental shift. Good show!!!
I live on a terraced street. I have no charging options. Bored of reading about cars on gardens etc, chance would be a fine thing. We need less distraction more infrastructure.
My house requires a new roof to support these, along with instalation , about £40k work, recoop in 25 years - I'm 65
The EV is promoted like the Covid vaccination 🤔🤔🤔
"Eat your bugs, take your jab and buy an EV".
Yes, please, fact check everything and push back where it is needed. But, also, just spew out better stories: "I drove 100 miles in my electric car and didn't need to charge it". "I had to perform maintenance on my Tesla (I refilled the windscreen washer reservoir)". And the negative ones: "Range Rover, towing a caravan, caught on fire on M5" etc. There are lots of clicks to be had.
100 miles? Big deal. So how long will it take me to do the 785km from Valence to Noirmoutier in an EV ? I can do it in 10 hours including stops (for coffee, not charging) in my 2001 VW T4, and still have 250km range left when I get there. EV’S are good for short local trips but NOT for long distance. Until the technology gets better there’s a place for both EV and ICE cars, but we’re not there yet. I just had a visit from some German friends with en electric Peugeot. They took 3 days to get to us in the middle of France. Never again they said.
@@robinforrest7680 " I can do it in 10 hours including stops (for coffee, not charging) in my 2001 VW T4, " spewing toxic air pollution the whole time! Great job polluting the planet, well done.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Total nonense, BS.
@@robinforrest7680I know people that regularly drive from the UK all around Europe with no issues. They too stop for a coffee and charge their cars while doing so.
EV’s use cobalt mined by children!
Real story, only 20% of several million produced use it and it’s being phased out…The petroleum industry uses just as much cobalt to refine fuel and has no plans in stopping
Someone wise once said "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" and this looks like the path that EV's have been traveling.
"Someone wise once said "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win' "
That was Elizabeth Holmes, who is now in jail. She wasn't wise.
@@KevinSolway It's much older than her, but it's difficult to identify a firm source for this quote, often credited incorrectly to Mahatma Gandhi. In the end, like all great proverbs, it's a truism.
@@freddiefox. Yeh. I didn't say she originated it! :-)
"it's a truism"
A truism is something that is obviously true. It's not obviously true that if people laugh at you then you will win. Certainly not in in the case of Elizabeth Holmes.
@@KevinSolway That quote has been used by many many people, including me, and no one can pin point who first said it. And if some crazy person used it and got in trouble nonetheless that doesn't diminish the wisdom of the words, not one bit. All depends on who said it and in what context. And they have been true many times. If they will be true for EV's I don't know, lets wait.
Great conversation about a really important and very disconcerting subject.
I've noticed a big increase in anti-EV and renewable views expressed on mainstream and social media, which seems to have coincided with a big increase in EV sales. I'm not surprised to hear Quentin Willson say that big automakers are getting very worried about the potential impact of this negativity on their manufacturing strategies.
I really like the idea of getting the voices of ordinary people who have adopted EV's, solar panels and home batteries heard. This will stand more chance of being believed by the general public than the voices of most politicians.
But sales have FALLEN in the real world, and depreciation is off a cliff! EVs are unsustainable and are far more harmful to the environment than UCE vehicles. It's far better to run older cars for longer, compared to a throwaway replace every three year society.
Great work Gentlemen, I have a 21 year old Astra van with 275,000 miles on it. it's worth £500, witch is what I payed 7 years ago for it, I truly want an electric van but until they get more common and prices drop then I'll have to wait...But, I do want the transition for I.C.E. to electric vehicles, and clearer social media regarding the facts, sounds like a good move, "Stamp out the lies".
Yours, (sort of carbon neutral)
Lister.
"I have a 21 year old Astra van" toxic spewing pollution van.
appropriate, but unfortunate name there Lister(😉)
Smeg!
Guarantee that Astra will have a lower carbon foot print over it's life than any EV you buy!
@@impy1980 Guaranteed not to
Though there is an argument for keeping an old vehicle for as long as possible, if you're using less than the "average" miles ie : if you sold it someone else would only pollute MORE
@@impy1980 and you're wrong. Engineering Explained produced a video that debunks this.
Please source a plethora of Australian contacts to support and endorse this push back. The fear and ignorance of EV's and Heavy Transport solutions is out of control.
We are just pawns in the global EV sales but what the UK does reflects our policies and drives change.
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Thank you for this piece; I'm enlightened a bit more, but what is interesting and telling, I feel about this half-hour conversation is that the word Hydrogen was not uttered once, surly there must be a recognition that H2 is in the transportation business, if mainly for commercial applications, though not entirely?
Yes, there are frustrations in the operation of EV, and especially the infrastructure, just check out the MacMaster vlogs.😊
A really interesting discussion. Despite having EVs for 4 years and living in remote West Wales, we still hear a lot of negativity and so many people say they don’t have a future 🙄. In Milford Haven they have replaced the hydrogen refuelling stations with chargers 😃. Says a lot.
You might like to tell them petrol and diesel has no long term future either. Shell are cutting the production of petrol and diesel by 40% on the lead up to 2030. Details are in their latest business report.
Would it be an option to find famous and so popular people with millions of followers who are excited about driving an EV, to let them tell their positive story about EV and show that on all the online media?
I was thinking the same myself. Let’s not just defend, but also promote the obvious (and not so obvious) benefits.
How about getting somebody like Stephen Fry to thoughtfully and gracefully reply in the Guardian and rip the Atkinson article apart?
WHy should we believe them? They are mechanically clueless
@@Anonymous-ib8so why would anybody beleive that other actor/ comedian? Why do newspaper copy it?
It all about marketing. Only 3% of the people have any technical background to understand EV technology.
@@torquewindturbine5867 Rowan Atkinson is also an engineer so knows what he is talking about . Other than swallowing the EV propaganda of the industry lobby where do you hget you "facts" from?
I don’t personally believe any media, which has to include fully charged too, each side will always defend their end.
No vehicle can be net zero, it’s impossible, as most motor manufacturing is outsourced, and not all are net zero.
For me it’s more the logistics of an EV and my own time and patience.
Our household has an EV and a diesel, and we often take trips to Scotland with a round trip of 550 miles, and we always take the diesel purely because the cottage we stop at has no wall charging and there are no EV chargers near the region, plus the diesel vehicle is the only one of the two that can do the trip without refuelling, and this is not possible with an EV and if we did take the EV we would have to stop at a charge station and waste 30-40 mins of our break. I don’t disagree with moving over to fully being an EV household, but from over two years experience, so far it doesn’t work quite how we would like atm.