Focus Bracketing and Focus Stacking
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- Focus Bracketing and Focus Stacking are great in macro photography. Olympus has great features for both.
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Macro photography is very exciting. It opens up a whole new world. With Olympus OM-D cameras features like focus bracketing and focus stacking are great help in macro photography.
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Thank you Peter another good video from you. I consider this feature one of Olympics best features and have had surprisingly good results hand held
Hello from Florida! I enjoy your videos because you provide information along with demonstration. Too many people on Y/T just babbling opinions about “this” vs. “that”. Thank you for helping us get the most from our Olympus kit.
Thank you for the comment. Glad I can help. Florida! Must be warm there?
Thanks for the succinct explanation of focus stacking and bracketing!
Thank you for the video. I have used focus bracketing and stacking with my M1 Mk II and different lenses, mostly for macro photography. But I have also used it for landscap photography where I have used flowers very close as forground and a landscape in the rest of the image. Fun to get the sharp landscape image with a just as sharp flower 20-30 cm from the the lense.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this video! I've been using focus stacking with my Olympus 30mm macro and the results are amazing. So much detail!👍
Yes, the 30mm f3.5 lens is a very good lens.
Can I please ask how many shots and what focus differential setting do you use?
Hello from northern Germany,
I like your Videos you speak clear so I can understand you very clearly.
I tock photos several years. Now I have the OMD 5 mark III.
And learn so much with your videos.
Thank You
Dirk
Thank you very much!
Great Videos- helps a lot, especially for Olympus shooters 👍🏻😉. Thanks a lot.
Thanks for the comment!
Thank you, Peter! Just what I've been looking for :)
Great, I am glad I could help you! You do a lot of macro photography?
Thank you, Peter! I do flowers with extension tubes on a D7100.
Thanks Peter for another very informational video. I am getting interesting in macro photography. I have done some insects and flowers. I am looking forward to using the 60mm macro lens with my EM5 Mkii and using focus bracketing to get some nice sharp images with a greater depth of field.. Thanks again.
Not a recent video, but archives have their value! Thanks. I just bought the 60mm 2.8 as my first real macro lens and quickly learned about focus stacking on my EM5 Mk3. Even with stacking, DOF is razor thin. I was photographing a leaf on one of my houseplants and had to close the vent in the room to keep it from jiggling around during exposure.
Very good explanation Peter. My congratulations.
A few days ago I bought an E-M1 Mark II to replace the M1, which already has about a million shots and must be left to rest.
And it turns out that everything works well, but I find myself with the following problem:
I do a lot of focus stacking, mainly with Olympus and Mitutoyo microscope lenses), but for the X0.5 to X1.8 environment I do very well the M.Zuiko 60mm macro and the focus bracketing facility.
With the M-1, I adjust the number of shots, the distance between them (from Limited to Wide) and I shoot and the focus of the lens stays where it made the last shot, which gives me the option to make more shots to cover the depth of field I want (from the Olympus Capture).
With the M1-Mark II (firmware 3.3), this is not the case.
When the camera finishes taking the last shot, instead of leaving the lens in focus where it is, it returns the focus to the starting point of the bracket.
What doesn't allow me to take the remaining pictures to finish focusing what I want, not being that I start again and calculate (I don't know how?) where the last picture is going to end.
For example this photo composed of 8 stacks of 100 photos each (made with the E-M1), with the E-M1 Mark II, I wouldn't know how many photos to shoot. www.flickr.com/gp/rubio41/7t63X2
Can you tell me if there is any parameter I have to put in this camera, so that the problem does not occur?
In the manual, I can't find anything about this matter.
Greetings and thank you very much.
Alfredo M. Rubio Spain
How the E-M1-Mark II works
www.flickr.com/gp/rubio41/8xDt68
thanks for this video I've learned how to use my 60mm in ways I didnt know I could from it
Glad I could help!
Hi Peter, would appreciate a video for landscape focus bracketing and stacking.
Thanks for your very informative videos.
I have never tried focus bracketing and stacking for landscape. maybe I should.
Thank you, Peter! Just subscribed.
Thank you!
Thank you, Mr. Forsgard.
Thanks Peter
I hated my 60 mm macro until I watched your videos. For years I have used my 80-200 or 75-300 for really good close-ups. I macro flowers and bugs when I am not doing wildlife.
Great to hear!
Thanks Peter, very interesting. For bird photos I use the OM1 Mk2 with the very capable Panasonic-Leica 100-400mm lens. I’d like to focus stack but don’t have that option. It would be great if you and other Olympus visionaries, like Robin Wong, could persuade Olympus and Panasonic to arrange full compatibility within the micro four thirds system.
Please keep up the videos.
Cheers, David
🇫🇷Thank’s for you’r work
Another great video, thanks, really would like to see detailed tutorials on live time and live Composite
I made a few videos about Live Composite in October. Have you seen those? czcams.com/play/PLDi4hF9-cy6gCDRQQ3Kqcis7lSJEYl4Hl.html
Very informative thank.
Useful video thank you. I have recently started to do an increased amount of close-up photography of model railways. I found the shallow depth of field for close objects disappointing, even at f22 with the 60mm f2.8.
I tried focus stacking manually with my E-M5 mark 1, using Helicon for post-processing & I was impressed with it. Using focus bracketing looks a lot easier.
Glad it was helpful!
Hello ! Thank you for this video, I learned a few things that I was not aware of. I sold my EM1 and kept my EM10 Mark II because I love very much the looks of the M10 mark II. I realise I made a mistake, because M1 has stacking and M10 don't. Never mind, because I wanted to sell the M10 to get the M5 Mark II. It has stacking and a few more FN buttons. And even better Ois.
Another great lesson thank you :)
Glad you liked it!
2:40 I'm kind of glad that you use a maximum of 9 or 10 images for in-camera focus stacking, because I read that the in-camera focus stacking on the EM5III has just 8. I noticed that Geraint Radford has even used it hand held, which I suppose requires taking only a few images!
Thanks for your video. I have OM DE M1 and 60mm macro. Take mostly photos of insects and spiders in my garden. Use often bracketing with natural light and for sizes like spiders or similar I set my camera to 40 to 50 photos and interval to 2 to 3 as I use f5.6 very often. Normally I will choose about 20 to 30 photos from the stack as sometimes the focus do not focus well. Convert the RAW files to tiff in either LR or Olympus viewer 3 and then stacking is done in Zerene Stacker. Could like to know what is your experience with bracketing for landscape photography if you have tried it.
Nice thanks. It works also with the 12-100mm f4 pro
Does it, I thought that it did not. At the time when I made this video, it was not on the list. I also did not have the lens then. I will test it today. Thanks.
In fact, I use the lens on my Tough-6 for most of my macro photography, mainly because I always carry that camera with me. On my system cameras, I use 60mm most. But I also use the 8mm and 30mm from time to time. With the 8mm, f2.8 does normaly giv the best depth of field.
Hi Peter,
How about change of focus during video? Do you have a tutorial on that?
Thank you for the tutorial Peter!🙂👍
Thank You!
Thanks, Peter, for this tutorial on one of the major advantages of the Olympus system cameras. It would be interesting to hear if anyone has indeed shot over 20+ frames. Have you ever asked Olympus HQ for examples of focus bracketing of 999 shots? I wonder how long it would take for the camera to process that many into one picture?
Cheers and Happy New Year to you and your family!
Sorry, but You think false! 999 Takes are for BRACKETING, it only makes 999 pictures!
For STACKING it maximum makE 8 or NOW 15 pics, than it takes all together! BG Wolf
Hello Mr. Forsgård , thank you for your helpful videos! I am trying to do in-camera focusbracketing in highres tripod mode on my EM-1 MIII. I have lenghthened the charging time to 15 seconds in order to give the camera time to process each image. Is there anyone who have been able to shoot focus bracketing in highres/pixelshift mode?
Peter, I just have the EM5 Mark iii delivered (same day as OM5 release) and I'm really looking forward to using focus stacking in camera on close ups with the 12-40mm f/2.8 and maybe getting one of the macro lenses. The 30mm f/3.5 is tempting as a near standard lens. Just watched your video on that.
Cool. E-M5 mark III is a very capable camera.
Thanks Peter,
I had the Nikon 105mm f/2.8 on my D750 but sold it as I just couldn't seem to do macro photography, I then purchased the Olympus system em5 mkII but I'm sure when I had the camera it only had bracketing and not stacking (I may be mistaken) I now have the em1 MKII with the Oly 60mm micro lens I was still a little unsure how the stacking worked so thanks for the great tutorial.
Guess what I'll be shooting with over the Christmas holidays
Regards
Billy
The stacking came to E-M5 MKII in the firmware 4.0, so it did not originally have it. Have you enjoyed your E-M1 MKII?
@@ForsgardPeter I love my E-M1 MKII, I still have my D750 but I can honestly say that I was kidding myself when I purchased the E-M1 MKII as an holiday camera as out of 100 times out with my camera the E-M1 MKII will have been out 98 times, it never was and is no longer is just an holiday camera.
I use only a 15-20 frames bracketing setting because I can do all work with that, sometimes I get too much where 10 frames is enough, bit those I can delete.
But I don't use AF, but the MF. This allows me to gently touch the touchscreen (even in macro photography) to initiate a another batch after first one, because when you disable AF, the touchscreen is just a trigger, and focus doesn't move after bracketing. So you can just continue with next bracketing set,if the rear focus has not been reached.
So focus to closer than object, switch to MF, release the 20 frames and of needed more, release another 20 frames, and keep going until focus is behind the subject.
I am looking at focus-stacking as a way of taking macro-images of underwater flowers in an aquarium. They are a almost transparent and therefore very difficult to focus on, even manually, and tend to completely flumox AF. Have even tried my old E-5 with its optical prism.
Sounds like a good solution. Have you managed to get sharp images?
Hi Peter
thanks for this video
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Keep up the great work
regards from Michigan USA, Rick
Thanks! One has to go to the barber every now and then.
Hi Peter nice post thanks. Do u think I can get decent results using this feature for outdoor flower photography hand held? Will IBIS on EM5 mkiii assist with hand held focus bracketing? I don’t want to carry tripod on long day hikes in bush. Thx Isaac
If you have a very steady hand then yes.
Perhaps you could use 999 images if you are using a very fast lens wide open and then want everything in focus from nearest distance to infinity!
Thanks peter god bless
Is focus stacking possible in Workspace with images created using focus bracketing?
Nice video. 1. Where in the menus do you find the stacking? Must you set focus bracketing first? 2. The lens list was white print on white background and hard to see. Is the kit lens in this list? Thanks
You can find it in the Shooting Menu 2 if it is available in your OM-D. No kit lens (14-42mm) is not on the list of supported lenses.
Good morning Peter, I would like to congratulate you on your channel ... very interesting.
I wanted to ask you a question. I have an M5 MarkII and do Focus Bracketing regularly. Instead, I have disabled the Focus Stacking option. As I have read, only some objectives are comparable with that option. My question is: if I can do Focus BKT, what does the objective have to do with Stacking? Is Staking not just software?
thanks and greetings from Spain
Yes stacking is done by software. Most Pro-zoom lenses, 30mm and 60mm macro and the 8mm f1.8 fish-eye are compatible with stacking.
Can I focus bracket (without the camera putting them together) for landscape photography? I would like to do a bed of flowers. All the information I read and watch only lists macro photography.
I learned a lot from your video. Thank you.
Yes you can!
Thank you for that very clear explanation. I am still deciding between the Laowa and Olympus macro lens - issue for me is that you cannot stack with the Laowa, which is a shame.
I have tested the M.Zuiko 60mm macro and the Laowa 50mm macro. Laowa has 2:1 ratio and M.Zuiko has 1:1 ratio. That might a thing that is important. M.Zuiko is weather sealed and yes you can do automatic stacking with it.
Here are some links. Laowa 50mm macro: czcams.com/video/u7HbKtqgDaU/video.html and the link to the M.Zuiko 60mm f2.8 macro: czcams.com/video/yvirSlcyIrA/video.html
@@ForsgardPeter That's great news! I didn't think you could based on your video, which showed which lenses could do automatic focus stacking. As the Laowa wasn't on it, I was veering towards the Olympus, but Laowa all the way now. Thank you so much for replying.
I might have been a bit unclear. You cannot use stacking with Laowa.
Does the omd em5 mkiii have it also
Thanks for introducing this interesting function. I used to work with a Canon DSLR and it does not have such function. I recently bought an Olympus EM5 II. I found that when I switch Focus Stacking on I cannot determine the number of shots to be taken. The camera will take 8 shots to compose the final photo. Have I missed out any setting to set for more shots?
Yes, with stacking the camera takes always 8 images and 9th is the stacked final image.
Canon 90D have this function
Hello Peter!
Thanks for the excellent video.
Actually I’m a Sony alpha shooter for birds,but looking very closely the OM1 Mark iii and the 150-400/f 4.5.
My question is : Do you think that it would be possible to use focus bracketing/stacking for perched birds (ie at 10 meters and without flash) with good picture quality results?
Many thanks
It all depends if the bird is moving or not. In theory yes.
Peter Forsgård thank you again
Hi Peter, thanks for this one too. As clear as always. I watched it a while ago but have just returned to it for revision - I need something else to try while stuck at home! You said not to focus on the closest part first, but where should the first focus point be? The furthest point? Somewhere in the middle?
1/3 back of the nearest point you wan to focus is a good start.
@@ForsgardPeter Excellent. Thank you. Off to try it out.
Would Focus Stacking be a good feature to use when scanning film? I'm thinking about buying the Olympus 30mm f3.5 macro lens to scan old film negatives and am researching options and workflow. Does anyone have experience with using focus stacking vs. taking single RAW shot, for this application? I don't know what I can expect on DOF, especially when film isn't perfectly flat.
Focus stacking is an option when the film is not perfectly flat. I do have a video about digitizing slides and negatives: czcams.com/video/uMNMaXhk2Ts/video.html
Do I use auto focus or manual focus? Does the focus differential depend on aperture chosen or the distance wanted in focus. Is it best to use a wide aperture at all times or is a small aperture better for landscapes?
Bracketing works only in AF. The differential depends on both of those things. When bracketing you can use the lens wide open if needed, but stopping down a bit will be better.
I just got my OM-D E-MkIII and I've gone hunting for clear, useful videos - so thank you very much for your short, clear topics packed with information. One feature I wish Olympus offered was the ability to save the merged output of a focus stack on one SD card and the underlying images on the other card. I'm constantly sorting through my image sequences to find the merged photos. I'm mostly shooting gemstones so the images in a stack all look superficially very similar. Is there any way to do this, or at least, to simulate it? And yes, I'd also like to know who needs 999 focus-bracketed images! That would be fascinating. When the distances between front and back planes are very large, light rays become increasingly closer to parallel - it would make no sense for example to focus stack the moon in this way, LOL (Lunar Observations are Laughable?)
Good idea about the image storing. I have also wondered who needs 999 images for stacking.
Hello. I went to use the focus stacking option on my EM5 III today in conjunction with the self-timer. However, the self-timer option was not available while focus stacking was turned on. Do you know if there is a different way to turn the self-timer on for use with Focus stacking?
Unfortunately it is not available.
Wow you look younger with the clean shave...
Thanks! or is that good or bad? :D
What about the pen F? Do you use that camera and what do you think about it? Thank you.
I have tried it, but I dont have one. I think its very unique camera and great for street photography. I especially like that the view finder is in the corner of the camera. Its easier to see what going on out side the EVF.
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Thank you. I have a spider waiting to be shot.
Doesn't work with Panasonic lenses? 12-100?
It works with 12-100mm f4 but not with Panasonic lenses.
Hi, maybe I am blind but I have a problem. I follow your suggestions on my Pen-F to make focus braketing. I have set 20 photos with number 5 for distance lenght. I save the settings and in the menu I see indeed that BKT is active. I have latest Oly fimware 3.1 for my Pen-F and I use a Zuiko 12-40 ED F/2,8 Pro. When I fire the images I get only couple of images taken automatically. How come???
Try reducing the focus differential setting to less than 5 and see if you get more than 2 images
Thank you for your videos all very helpful. Your comment at 4.06 in this video states that the second and presumably the 3rd 4th 5th image etc will focus closer to the camera each time, therefore am I correct in saying that we should focus on the furthermost point away from the camera initially. The manual states that the focal point moves back after an image is captured but does not clearly define back, is it back into the image (away from the camera) or is it back towards the camera. add to this that my two EM1 II don't always take the number of shots set eg set for 12 images and only takes 4, 5, 6 images I am totally confused.
Your comments would be appreciated
Hi Peter! When you say, for STACKING are only THESE Lenses...! Is it for BRAKETING the same? THANKS for answer! Wolf
Bracketing is ok with other lenses too.
Many thanks for this video. One minor thing - please don't display white captions against a light background !
I will try to avoid that! Thanks!
My macros are mainly of insects, small crustaceans, spiders and flowering plants, I tend to take my macros hand held, and was keen to see if I could focus stack handheld...
I havent tried Focus Bracketing of Focus Stacking hand held, but it might give some interesting results.
I have tried it with fungus and it seems to work fine using the EM1 MK2
It does a good job hand held
100-300 bracketing shots with reversed 28mm lens mounted on m.zuiko 60mm. Magnification around 4:1. Good luck with doing stacks of 10 shots with depth of field around 0.01 mm and subject size of 1cm...
HI Peter, may I ask what is the flash sync limit for EM1ML3 if I m using Godox V1 high speed flash like 1/2 or 1/4 ? I am using the focus bracketing for the macro photography. Many thanks in advance
1/250s is the limit.
@@ForsgardPeter thank you Peter
@@ForsgardPeter do we have a formula to calculate?
Do you know that charging time of a few seconds can be used for something else? You can review each step of the focus stacking while shooting.
Very good tip. Thanks.
With OM-1, what’s the difference between “Focus BKT” and “Focus Stacking”? With Focus BKT I never get the number of shoots I set.
Bracketing is individual images that you need to stack yourself. Stacking stacks the images in camera. The amount camera takes is the amount that is needed.
Stacking produces a JPEG at the end. I you can’t do it with RAW.
I can't set the Focus BKT to set the number of shots, its grey out. What setting do I need to change to get this function to work? OMD E-1 MII
You need to have the Stacking on. If I remember correctly. I dont have the camera with me right now.
@@ForsgardPeter Thanks Peter, be well !
Peter: I have the doble flash; TDF-8 I think it’s called. But I don’t Know how to get all the options that I can get. Please do a program for it. Thanks.
You mean the STF-8? Most likely I will, but cannot promise when. Maybe January.
Peter Forsgård Tha one I mean. Ok: when you can do it, I haven’t got a hurry. Thank you, anyway.
I use my E-M5 II and a 60mm f/2.8 lens. My favorite images are of Fungi because they usually plentiful and varied in texture, detail and background. Snails are good too since they are slow moving :-)
How come I can't adjust the number of focus bracketing shots within my EM10 IV menu? Its seems I am stuck at 8 images maximum and I can only choose between two versions of the distance between shots. My EM10 Mark II had more manual adjustments in the focus braceting mode.
It cannot be adjusted on that camera. It will always make 8 images, the focus distance difference can be adjusted.
@@ForsgardPeter Thanks for the info. I don't agree with Olympus' strategy of going backwards when introducing new cameras. I bought an Olympus for the focus stacking feature and to see that my EM10 II is more capable in this regard than my new EM10 IV is really disappointing. Canon is well known for crippling their new cameras and giving customers less than before, but now Olympus seems to be using the same marketing strategy. The 14-42mm EZ lens I received as a kit with my new EM10 IV is so good, I will still keep the camera, but I really wish Olympus would provide a software upgrade for focus stacking.
Does it mean focus bracketing and focus stacking only work on still object not the moving object?
Well it works, but you might get very odd results. It is ment only for still objects.
Recent (Feb 2020) firmware updates for current cameras have a note: "Possible to use focus stacking with 12-45mm F4.0 PRO". Does that mean that the older E-M1 won't be able to use the 12-45/4 lens for focus stacking?
I have not checked that. I need try and see if it works.
@@ForsgardPeter Thanks, if you could try that it would be great! Do you know why focus stacking works with specific lens only? Olympus Workspace won't stack focus bracketed shots using unsupported lens either. Photoshop or Helicon Focus don't seem to care what lens was used...
Are you sure that focus stacking will focus closer than the initial shot? I don't have a supported lens to try it, but focus bracketing (on my E-M1) works as described in the manual: Focus moves successively farther from the initial focus position.
@@NeekonMike With focus stacking, you start at the mid point. With focus bracketing you start at the closest point. Focus stacking works with JPEG and bracketing can work with both JPEG and RAW.
Thanks for your tuturial: I have m1 MarkII and m5 MarkII. I will like how being used both of them with m1 MarkII, I think that I can shoot even without tripod with m1 and get focus perfec. Doing one but for m1 MarkII. Cheers.
It appears that Focus Bracketing can only be used in the AP mode and then it's not available when in manual mode? Is that correct? If so, that sucks. Tell me there's a way to use bracketing shooting manual on the EM10 Markiii
Unfortunately Olympus has crippled the special features on the E-M10 MKIII. You can only access Focus Bracketing from AP. In manual mode it is not possible.
Peter Forsgård My husband has the mark ii. Does it have it in manual?
Yes it has. It also has Stacking mode so the camera can stack the photos in camera.
Hi Peter, My name is Ivan, I'm from Australia. I use an Olympus OMD EM1 mk2. I am considering buying a Panasonic lens, specifically the 12mm f1.4. I do not have Panasonic body. I am wondering if a Panasonic lens will update while mounted to an Olympus body. Could you you please get back to me, thank you.
I think it should. Olympus has made some firmwares for Panasonic lenses.
Peter, I know this is an old video. But I have a problem I can't solve. I use an OMD 10 mark II with firmware 1.4 I disabled all bracketing except for focus stacking. In the menu's I can set the number of photo's and the differential. There is no menu option for flash delay!!!! I want to use it for macro so I use the very nice 60 mm macro. Whatever I try I can't get the flash to work. The shutter switches automatically to silent hi speed but my flash is disabled (off) and there is no difference in using the internal popup, my godox 350 or a trigger. When I disable bracketing al my flash functions are functional. 🤷♂
I will look into it. It cold be the Godox.
Thank you. Using the internal flash gives the same results. So even with no flash attached there is no menu item and my internal flash is disabled.
Is your Godox a dedicated Olympus version?
Flowers is favorite subject
Hi Peter, I am looking for Focus Stacking software for Android (tablet). Any suggestions / ideas ??
I have not found any. There might be some cameras apps for Android that can do stacking.
Maybe something for Olympus Workspace in the future ...
The Workspace version 1.1 has Stacking. It can stack images that has been shot with focus bracketing.
I know it's not a Photoshop channel, but it would be nice to do a follow-up video with the actual software tutorial on how to stack the images in Photoshop
I have to think about that. I am not sure I could do a proper tutorial on Photoshop.
@@ForsgardPeter I would love to see one using Olympus Workspace focus stacking.
i think i yould use a stack of 999 images if i wanted to shoot in magnification 5:1 or greater i guess :P
I guess that it something like that. Have you tried that?
And the Pen F have Focus Bracketing and Focus Stacking in camera ;)
I always forget about Pen-F... sorry.
Dear Peter, regarding to the firmware 3.0 updated, are there changes of your listed Lenses which could be used for focus Stacking of EMI ii ?
Regards
No, I do not think so.
@@ForsgardPeter Thanks for you kind responses.
Someone ever said that 12~100 is workable with the focus Stacking, is it ture ?
we can not read the white when you showed the lenses we could use, black would be much better.
Yes I do realize that and have tried to make text more readable in my newer videos.
I don't see the 12-100 listed as compatible with focus stacking. That's a bit surprising.
I have 12-100 and have used it for focus stacking with both close up and landscape.
with EM10II
Will it work on the 12-100 mm lens
No it does not.
@@ForsgardPeter that's to bad
@@ForsgardPeter It does with mine, maybe after firmware updates.
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