Maple Leaf Rag - Scott Joplin 1899 | Original roll | Player piano
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- There you go, the ever-popular Maple Leaf Rag by Scott Joplin
(Fun part at 3:28)
The two rolls featured are identical in arrangement but differed of when it was issued. It is interesting to note that US probably tried to minimize production cost by condensing the perforations, replacing expression line with words, even the label has less texts capitalized font of which the earlier version was fully capitalized, the roll label was stamped instead of paper.
United States Music Co. 61368 B (Supertone label 813368),
Maple Leaf Rag - Two Step,
Scott Joplin.
Original sheet music and cover: imslp.org/wiki/Maple_Leaf_Rag...)
Throughly enjoyed this, great sounding old piano. My Great Uncle, born in 1894 was a very good pianist . He used to play for the silent movies and eventually became a music teacher. He had a very old upright grand piano in his home, it was built by SCHILLER piano company. He told me he bought it for himself for his 30th birthday. So that would be 1924. He never gave up playing and when we would visit for a few days we would ask him to play, last time he played this piano was when he was 98, in 1992, he still played very well, all by memory as his vision was decreased. One of the things he would play was RAGTIME. And this was one he always played for us! And it seems to me that this tempo the slower version is right around how he played it. Certainly not the faster versions ive heard. Uncle Conrad passed in his sleep 4 months after his 100th birthday.. The Executer of his will let us have his old piano, and were taking good care of it. Thanks for sharing this.
Let's just take a step back and admire the technology that brought that piece of paper to life. How does one make the keys go bananas without any electronics, sensors and actuators?
Very good, Happy belated birthday to Scott Joplin!
i know this might seem obvious but... no one plays this piece as well as he did. Seriously he just captures it perfectly.
This is not Scott Joplin playing. Joplin recorded 6 rolls for Connorized in April 1916 that were heavily edited and do not contain any resemblance as to how he actually played. The 7th roll was recorded on Uni-Record label in June 1916 and was not able to be used due to Joplin's deteriorated state of advanced syphilis.
@@Dizzyfingers2 oh ok, where can i listen to an actual joplin roll?
@@darfoz8807 czcams.com/video/7vG_IPgjOYs/video.html
@@darfoz8807 there's a video called "Maple Leaf Rag Played by Scott Joplin" which supposedly has the roll of joplin himself playing it
Scott Joplin was a genius as a composer.
I got quite the kick out of the "ridiculously fast" version at 3:35. Joplin was quoted as saying that rags weren't meant to be played fast, yet every now and then, you'll run across some show-off who thinks they just *have* to set a land speed record on the piano.
Well in fairness this was Mr Joplin’s own opinion about ragtime and is worth taking into consideration, especially with regard to his own music and also that of his students and friends; but of course it is still an opinion and personally I feel that setting a speed limit on an entire genre limits it; also some other rags ARE composed to be played faster. So some knowledge, or a good educated guess, about the original tempo can help. Mr Joplin was a bit of an outlier in his era not only in writing his rags seriously and carefully like classical music; but also in wanting many of them to be played slower than usual. I think the version the uploader posted at the end, super fast with the mandolin attachment turned on, is supposed to be a joke or a parody and not to be taken seriously. The first way is probably correct.
@@andrewbarrett1537 The OPs comment was an acknowledgment of the humor. Having said that there's a big difference between playing a piece faster just for the sake of doing so vs. playing an interesting variation like many people who knew Joplin personally did, like Willy The Lion Smith for instance. Also calling Joplin an "outlier" is not a word I would choose since he was the "king" of Ragtime and given the fact he personally inspired so many big name musicians. In the end there really isn't a controversy at which tempo the piece was meant to be played. We have plenty of records from the era, piano rolls and in addition recordings of people who were around then. That's not to say I'm against people being inspired or playing there own versions, let's not forget the history.
My Great Great Grandfather was a Union Navy Veteran who joined the NOPD in the 1860's- 1908 . Every time I listen he tries to march my flat feet around the French Quarter... he keeps Ole Sam's Bones Dancing from Saint Louis #2... Voodoo S.H.P 88 saying hello from New Orleans Louisiana
The United States Music Co started in about 1907 (I think) and made exclusively coin op piano rolls for about two years, until they started cutting home format rolls around 1909, including Aeolian-format 65-note and 88-note, as here.
Their chief arranger and head of the arranging department was Ms. Mary E. Brown (Mae Brown) and under her direction, in the earliest days 1907-1909 were three main arrangers: Lillian V. Bollow (nee Robinson); Lillian Anderson; and Lila Nelson.
It is not known who made this roll or most of the other early U. S. music arranged rolls, since the arranger's name was almost never given on any roll label, whether home format or coin op.
An exception were some of the medley rolls arranged by Ms. Brown herself which carry her name on the label.
In the early days of piano roll research, this led to the mistaken notion she was the only arranger the company had in the early days.
This could not have been true since the company were cranking out tons of new rolls per month of mostly popular music (they issued far less classical music than did Aeolian, Connorized, and QRS), to the tune of something like 50 new rolls per month at their height around 1910.
That's like an arrangement and a half needed per day or something, every day of the month, and not too practical to accomplish in those days.
There were probably other arrangers as well in the earlier days, but after Ms Bollow left in 1909 we don't know who came after her, excepting the pianists listed on the various hand played rolls issued starting c 1917.
But uncredited arranged rolls continued to be made up until the QRS buy-out of US around 1926/1927 which made US merely a subsidiary brand to QRS until they discontinued them around 1930 due to the Depression.
I should add that nearly all other arranged rolls issued by nearly all other companies were *mostly* uncredited as to arranger (medley rolls being exceptions) and so US were not outliers in this regard.
Mit Scott Joplin hat meine Jazzbegeisterung angefangen
Happy Belated Birthday Scott Joplin.
Happy belated birthday Mr. Joplin
Sounds authentic
My musical hero ladies and gentlemen.
Yeah, his birthday is coming up in a few more weeks! Happy Birthday Scott!
Few more weeks?
@@LouisLPlayerPiano Isn't his birthday on November 24? Today is November 8.
@@harveywallbanger6258 Shoot, I mistook the month. Thanks for pointing out!
@@LouisLPlayerPiano Glad I could help, but I wasn't sure. I figured the dates I found in a search could have been wrong.
If you read the biography “King of Ragtime: Scott Joplin & His Era” by Dr Edward A. Berlin (an excellent book now in its second edition), you’ll find that although most earlier and subsequent (well, unaware of this biography) reference books, and websites, give Nov 24th 1868 as his birthdate, since I think that is what is listed on his death certificate as well as maybe some other later legal documents. But in terms of his early days, Mr Berlin found enough compelling documents to suggest he was actually born sometime in 1867 and might not have even known his own birthdate for sure, hence having to make one up for later legal paperwork. I’m not sure, and I only have the 1st edition of that book so need to buy the 2nd to get the updates about this info. I don’t think his exact birthdate has been pinned down but since later on he and his wife Lottie Joplin Thomas claimed Nov 24th, it’s still perfectly acceptable to celebrate it on that day, at least until any hard evidence of a particular other day turns up. It’s a good day, same month/day as later generation pianists Vee Lawnhurst and Robbie Rhodes.
Una belleza como tema!!
Man they don't write 'em like that anymore!!!
Very nice indeed
Very nice.
I love this, so clear and precise and excellent speed, not too fast but still sprightly and light!! 🎉🎉🎉
Bravo yes the older rolls always have a better snap to them but can be reproduced in the original content ,thankfully
Gotta marvel at the ingenuity of the player piano makers, no electricity involved.
Why is it that at 2:14 it just turns into a banger as if someone’s trying to catch up. Like if a silent cartoon Mickey needed to catch the bus.
This is amazing, was this actually played by Scott Joplin himself? How did they record this punch out sort of roll, when was this thing invented, by who and how did they make it so accurate?? and finally (sorry) how is this played today on a piano (it reminds me of the kalimba style toys or jewelry boxes) . very beautiful piece, thank you.
Nice. This rag is VERY hard to play; I admire anyone who can get through it with no snags.
It's not that hard, I haven't played piano in years and I was able to learn it with just a youtube tutorial.
We makin it outta colter with this one 🔥🔥
BlueRay made simple! How good is that 🙂
I don't know how it works but is cool to know how ancient people used be entertained. It remind me lucky luke
Ancient 😂😂😂 I mean it was 125 years ago, but not quite Ancient haha made my day. Yes the mechanical devices they made in the 1890s and early 1900s are amazing!
Why are they running that midi track across those rollers? 😂❤
3:28: Wow xD
The guy who looks at almost all Maple Leaf Rag videos
@@FilipinoFurry Yes sir xD
¿De dónde sacaste la versión que suena desde el minuto 0:00 hasta el 0:09?
Where did you get the version that plays from 0:00 to 0:09?
I am not sure what do you mean by "version", as in the piano music or the sheet music?
@@LouisLPlayerPiano Lo siento, no sé inglés, ¿podrías por favor escribir en español? Por favor.
@Alazar Broughton the Countryball ¿Qué?
@Alazar Broughton the Countryball Puede usar el traductor, ¿sabes?
I think it’s the tempo he wished ´cause I heard others versions too fast.
What are the blue dots on the roll for?
The blue dots are the expression "guide" for the player follow along for the most accurate results, usually copied from original sheet music. I don't always 100% follow it, I have my own expressions.
In U S Music rolls like this one (the earlier rolls thru maybe 1916 or so like this one having the “lyre” shaped border around the roll info on the label, and the company slogan “the emblem of music roll perfection” in cursive at the bottom of the label), the line of dots is a suggested dynamic or expression line. Centered is about a mezzo-forte level or so. To the left is quieter (piano and softer) and to the right is louder (forte and louder), instructing the pianolist how hard or soft to pump. It’s just an editor suggestion, although in this case may have been derived from the dynamic markings in the original published sheet music.
Different companies had different ways of marking the roll for suggested interpretation.
For example, Aeolian also printed a moving line on many of their rolls, but it is a thin solid (not dotted) line which indicates TEMPO for rubato, not dynamics. It’s meant to be followed by the pianolist using the “Metrostyle” metal pointer which is attached to the tempo pointer on the tempo scale in the spoolbox, and pivots up from it on a thumbscrew. By following the Metrostyle line with the Metrostyle pointer, in a properly restored and regulated piano, the pianolist can achieve a fairly realistic and pleasing rubato for classical and salon music in those rolls, although without the rubato, they will sound fairly mechanical.
QRS. At leas in the 1920s, tended to print a series of graduated dark blue dots on the margin of their rolls.
These are a dynamic/expression marking similar in intent to US Music, but in this case they stay in one line and the SIZE of the dots indicates how loud/hard (large dot) or softly (small dot) you should pump.
I'll bet Yuja Wang could play this as fast as the second rendition.:)
Maybe but why??? Instead she could learn one that is designed to be fast like “Caprice Rag”, “Stop-Time Rag” (the only known Joplin score actually marked “fast or slow”), “Everybody’s Rag”, “Calico Rag” etc
@@andrewbarrett1537 I said it tongue-in-cheek. There's no need to play it at breakneck speed.
😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Surely that second roll was never meant to be played that fast?
It's merely a joke about people playing ragtime overly fast.
Hey, I was right! 😃
What exact version sounds at intro?
Ah, sorry... It's the same one 😂
Both rolls are the same arrangement, it only differs by when it was made and it was budgeted for the later roll.
This roll haves a very good chilled vibe with this piano.
What makes it sound more expanded at 1:55, the 'extra hand' at the right? I love it, that makes it authentic.
Do you have The Magnetic Rag?
Unfortunately, I do not, I will look for them in the future!
The American composer Nancarrow
would have liked the second roll.😅
That's the person! I saw a composition of his but never found his name again, thanks for telling! And for sure he'd love the second roll.
So this roll is from 1899?
Apologies if the description wasn't clear. 1899 refers to when Maple Leaf Rag was published, the rolls themselves were probably made around 1908 and 1914.
Someone can get me one of his original piano rolls for my birthday. Just a suggestion.
Does either roll say that it is played by Scott Joplin?
Nope, completely hand-punched/arranged, no hand-playing was involved. Though Joplin did played for Aeolian and Connorized rolls.
@@LouisLPlayerPiano The first seems very true to score. I think this is exactly how Joplin would have wanted it to be if he had been physically capable of doing so at the time he played for the other rolls. But he would proably have played just a little slower. Is that 80 at the beginning of the roll a suggested tempo?
@@rogerg4916 Yes, all piano rolls were suggested tempo, it's up to the pianolist to control it, I usually have my own tempo because they are no always correct.
@@LouisLPlayerPiano Interesting that the later issue shows an even slower tempo of 60. I timed the first roll which seems to be around 100. There is of course a range of tempo which might be approriate: slower if played for dance or faster if just for listening. It was the extremely fast tempos that Joplin meant when he said "Never play ragtime fast". Why do you think the manufacturer would have suggested a slower tempo on the later issue?
@@rogerg4916 Like I explained, the later issue was condensed, basically making the length shorter to save money, so they have to play at a slower tempo to make it sound right.
these style of player pianos can't reproduce how hard the piano is played, can they?
I'm not sure what you mean by how hard they are played? For manual pedaling, yes I can control how loud or soft it is played, but if it is on auto-playing, there are no automatic expression.
@@LouisLPlayerPiano yes, no volume control with automatic playing is what I meant.
If you switch your playback speed to .75, the faster piano roll sounds a lot better.
This is a sort of meta-comment. It pains me to see old and fragile paper pulled through any sort of mechanical device.
Surely it is possible to use a laser scanner to reproduce a digital version of the oldest roll, and then use some sort of MIDI interface to generate the audio.
I'm a pianist and familiar with the published score. I note the missing bass note annotated in the playback, and the right hand seems different from the score as well. I wonder how much of this is an intentional interpretation by the Mr. Joplin and how much is an unforgiving capture of missed notes, especially in the right hand.
that was awesomeness until it went...somewhere..over..yonder..awesome
Synthesia before it was cool
Tom lehrer composed a song, called the 'vatican rag'....funniest lyrics.....😆😅🤣🤣
Piano needs a good tuning.
This video is over a year ago, it has been tuned since.