The BEST (and WORST) Trucks That We Owned in 2023!
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I have been following all TFL channels, and this has been the best year. Congratulations to all of you.🎉🎉🎉🎉
I say this in the nicest way but Andre, I think you’re a little nice to truck companies. When you were talking about the e GMC Hummer, and said it was a bunch of small things and nothing major, I’m glad Nathan called that out. When 9,000 pound machine becomes stuck or breaks down, especially when it’s an electric vehicle, all those things matter. Luckily Roman wasn’t in a dangerous situation but it could’ve been. Don’t be afraid to call them out more. It’s the same with your own Colorado. GM is putting out half baked products. But I’m not picking on GM just because it’s GM, you’ve done that with Ford and Jeep/Ram products as well.
Anyways, great podcast as normal! It’s funny that the Ram Classic had so many videos.
Stoked for the series with the Dakota. I loved that generation and owned a 2002 quad cab with the 4.7L. That thing was a workhorse! Will be interesting to see what the mini Dakota can do.
My dad had one of those, not sure what year his was, but the same generation as the 2002. I loved that truck the handful of times I drove it. Lower than a new Ranger or Taco was great for actually using the bed and had most of the off-road chops. Dodge could re-release that exact truck today with a 3.6 and it would sell very well.
Shoulda kept the ranger longer for comparison with more midsize. More midsize and full size drag races with all powertrains please.
They were probably trying to offload stuff while the market was still a little higher knowing it was going to go down a little allowing then to pick up stuff for less in the near future. Maybe. Lol
I agree, Ranger is relatively competitive.
Can you do a mpg test like your 100 mile loop on a truck that you tested in the summer and compare the results to the winter? How does temperature affect mileage in the winter?
I’d be curious as well!
I'm looking forward to the Tacoma. I hope you can also get one with the i-FORCE MAX engine when they become available.
Best: Stubby
Worst: Hummer
Truck to get in 2024: Cyber Truck, Manual Taco and Ranger
"The Advertised Loss Leader" has been thus for decades. I drove from Missoula, Montana to Spokane , Washington in 1984 after a new Toyota Longbed Deluxe 2wd 22R 4 cyl. 5 speed, and negotiated for the dealership's parts runner (8k miles) down to $7800. Andre: "To be Frank..." I must respond with Leslie Nielsen's line: "I'm not joking, and don't call me Surely" (from Airplane!). 🤣
Gentlemen I was very sad when the 7.3 powerstroke videos stopped. :( Me being the proud owner of a 1997 Ford F-250 powerstroke 4x4 with 60,000+ original miles I was excited for that video series. But thank you for explaining why those videos unfortunately stopped. If I may, I think what would have helped make that video series a little more successful is if the truck was bone stock, and if you guys would have made the comparison video between the 7.3 and a 12 valve 2nd gen Cummins. Looking forward to next years videos!
I totally agree. Seemed like the trans conversion was a bad call and may have led to the truck underperforming. That truck vs a 12 valve would have been epic!!!!
I have a Ford Ranger 2021 XL 2wd, and no complaints so far with 30,000 miles. I live in Puerto Rico by the way.
My favorite truck you have had and may still have is the RAM 3/4 ton with the Cummins diesel. I would buy one in a heartbeat if I could. Thank you so much for all your videos.
The Ram 1500 Classic Regular Cab with the Hemi is a lot of fun to drive.
Great content guys. When you get the Cybertruck, you should do a long distance towing "race" against a gas or diesel truck (a F150 would be a good one) similar to what Geoff Buys Cars and The McMaster did over in the UK with a used diesel Mercedes car vs a new electric Porsche. They stayed to the speed limits and compared overall time, cost and stress after driving from the northern tip of Scotland to the southern tip of England with very interesting results. Maybe a trip from Colorado to Texas pulling a travel trailer to simulate an average family going on a long distance trip. If electric is the future, lets see what that future will be like.
Towing cross country will be nightmare and probably double your time.
Last year I had an email exchange with Andre. TFL had no interest in my suggestion: 5,000 lb. travel trailers (caravans) towed by a Ford Lightning and a Ford 150 5.0 V8. Boulder, CO to Cody, WY to simulate a 2 week family vacation. Given the lack of charging infrastructure in Wyoming, I wanted to see how many vacation days would be wasted charging the stupid Lightning. Instead, they "drove" a Lightning to the northernmost point in Alaska by putting it on a ship and not driving through Canada.
I wondered why they didn't drive through Canada on that Alaska trip. I live in northern BC and wanted to see how they would do on a real trip along the Alaska Highway. They should drive the Cybertruck along the highway during the winter towing a Bobcat on a car trailer like the gas and diesel trucks are doing right now. We need to see how the electric trucks perform in the real world. I have yet to see one a Lighting in my town.
Yup, that's what I would expect. They should do the test on a long weekend like July 4th when most people start their vacations. What I don't know is how the cost of fuel vs electricity would be? Gas and diesel prices are coming down and I think electricity has gone up or subsidies are running out. They would get a lot of clicks for a video like that.
The “K” Trucks are really good. We own one in/at our Asian home. It’s been converted to be a Multi Cab bus. I can take 9 or 10 folks to the beach in one little 3 cylinder truck. I love it!
Keep up the good work, great content all year on all channels.🎉. Merry Christmas and happy new year everyone!🎉
Love the Dakota P/U! I had a 1998 with the V-6 and a 2002 AWD with the 4.7 V-8 that I had for 18 years! I took meticulous care of it and the only part that ever failed on that truck was the blower motor resistor! Best truck I ever had.
I had a 2002 Dakota quad cab for 240,000 miles and I have nothing but fond memories of it so I'm looking forward to seeing it.
real world testing, towing , construction work, RV, toy hauling and in town handling.
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Merry Christmas to all.
Merry Christmas TFL
You should have kept that old Tundra…would love to have seen that restored.
My favorite is the Honda Acty. I have seen trucks like this in Canada being used as delivery trucks. I have also seen them used by contractors on construction sites. There was a red crew cab with a symbol on the front that I didn't recognize. I have also enjoyed the journey that Andre went through with his Nitro Colorado. It was funny and interesting to see how the new technology like "over the air updates" caused unexpected problems. I have been waiting to see Andre put towing mirrors on his truck. I would have liked to see Andre test products for the new Colorado like different mufflers to see which one improved the fuel economy & sound. Because with all the new 4 cylinder trucks coming out I think aftermarket mufflers will be very popular but you don't know which to choose until you hear how it sounds. Or what products improve fuel economy, like an aftermarket air intake, and by how much? I have enjoyed all the "cheap truck" videos. You guys talk alot about fuel economy on new vehicles but I wanted to see you make fuel economy improvements to old trucks. Banks has been the expert on diesel engines but you haven't seen how much a diesel can be improved to increase gas mileage, horsepower, and still pass emissions testing and burn clean. Modern diesel engines have a bad reputation because of a few idiots that like to blow black diesel smoke on the cars behind them.
Great videos I love the work & passion you put into reviews. Based on the Stubby videos I recently bought a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Tradesman 2x4 regular cab 6'4" bed w/spray liner 14k miles for $25,000 and I love it.
I would say my favorite was the raptor r. Only because yall are the only people that can afford it and I would have no other way of seeing it. I also like the toyota land cruiser and want to see more from it.
I was kinda upset when the Ranger went away. But, you did enough with it for me to make an informed purchase of my own long bed Ranger. Still serving me well almost 3 years later. Thanks!!!
New excuse from dealer is: the truck is being shipped and we do not know when it will arrive come and see what we have on the lot
May I ask, what happened to the 80 series Land Cruiser? I was more interested in that than both the Tundra and 4Runner in that "cheap truck" series.
Just a comment on the tiny Japanese utility vehicle. That vehicle is too small for the US if driving on streets with cars and trucks. In a wreck, it would be fatal at low speeds.
However, I believe Toyota could take the plans to the 1979-1983 truck and make it again with the following updated it would be wildly successful. (1) updated safety features including crumple zones etc. (2) updated small gas motor under 150 hp and under 200 ft lbs of torque. (3) Offer the same interior with the exception of the dash, make it for modern stereo and nav. (4) make it the absolute least expensive vehicle to manufacture and to own. Keep the price at a base of $18,000 and high end at $25,000. You’d sell millions.
Love my 2021 Ranger Tremor! Have put 50k miles on it with 5k being offroad and is setup for overlanding with rack and tent. No problems at all! I ordered it and got a great deal at $40k out the door so wont be selling anytime soon.
I’m not a truck guy, but this was an interesting watch. The blessing and curse TFL labors under is the need to constantly update their fleet. It’s like keeping the plates spinning, I imagine! The tax explanation was great Nathan, I hadn’t thought of that, but it makes sense now. Thank you for sharing.
That's the awkward part of the video. I don't need to hear how the sausage gets made. No wonder they're pushing patroen.
The Raptor R is an interesting science experiment and would be fun to own but a very small percentage of us are willing to drop over 100k on a vehicle.
There must be more than we think if every 10th down the line is a Raptor....
I been seeing Mahindra Roxor builds lately. Lifted, in closed cab. It might be interesting to see a review comparing Roxor, kei trucks and utility SxS.
Also for the budget minded, comparing the 2024 Tacoma to the 2023. The 2024 Ranger to the 2023 and the 2023 Colorado to the 2022. Sometime I think the “all new” truck isn’t “all new” underneath and really isn’t much better than the previous generation.
I’ve been looking at the new Ranger and Colorado and just about decided that I’ll buy a low mileage used previous model, and save a few dollars because the newest model isn’t that much better, and in some cases worse.
That's what I'm doing to save about $10k. Buys a lot of gas, mods, or house stuff
I want to see the grenadier in the TFL fleet!
Good to hear that GMC have adopted the Tesla business model of letting the paying customer carry out alpha testing. Brings the vehicles into traffic sooner and everyone learns the...quirks. Brands save money on engineering and testing, everyone is happy, even the tow service industry.
You need to get ahold of a regular cab short box F-150 or F-250 4x4 for 2024. Stubby version 2.0. And it’s a brand new truck. For $54,000 to $61,000. Get it in the XL or XLT version.
I loved stubby! That little Ram would’ve looked cool with a shell on it. Then it would look like a “Ramcharger”! The Ramcharger was a full size SUV in the 70s-80s. It was a blazer competitor. With 4x4 that little truck was cool. I wish I could’ve bought it.
Merry Christmas
I have a 2019 Ford Ranger. And it’s a work horse! Sad to see it go so fast💨
How's it holding up?
@@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw it’s doing great man, 2019 XLT 4x4 currently a little over 80,000 miles! No mechanical issues. It’s been a beast.
A frame and solid axle have nothing to do with whether or not something is considered a “truck”
Found it! 😂 I look forward to this one!!
Here before some people say the Santa Cruz is "a crossover with a birth defect", or "not a real truck, it's unibody".
It's a unibody...😂
Unibody vehicles are less susceptible to corrosion damage than body on frame vehicles. I was told while working with Idaho Fish & Game in 1981 that "if you're hauling all your stuff from job to job, you're driving a truck." My cohort was referring to the 1969 VW Squareback, which had a full-size 6.00-15 spare in the trunk and my first set of radial tires, Michelin XZX tires at Twin Falls. (Much taller than the 13" Michelin XZX on the new VW Rabbit.) The poor man's jeep, "folk's wagon".
You guy's should do a video on how to register a kei truck in different states
I liked the OBS Ford, but I would have liked it more had it been more stock. A lift and wheels aren't a big issue, but once the engine starts getting meddled with it becomes less interesting from a standpoint of going and looking for one for myself. A before and after with modifications like you have done is better than buying modified from the get go.
I was bummed to see the Ranger go too
The problem with the OBS was it was a manual and the masses are not interested with manuals, so you’ll never make money with the extremely small yet very vocal number of people that are interested in them.
Older trucks are a niche area in itself anyways. They ride rough and are loud, you have to specifically want an old truck, and a manual transmission certainly lowers that crowds numbers.
I wish I could get a modern truck with a manual, I will admit to being spoiled by modern vehicles and their comfort.
You guys hear about those guys up in BC, Canada? Edison Motors making the hybrid semi trucks?
I chest did a pre order for a 2024 TRD off road tacoma with the manual transmission but I'm going to get it fully loaded
Never retire guys, keep building the portfolio of trucks
Nathan is correct! Could have bought the same exact model for less-and NEW
The reason the Raptor R loses interest is because it's so expensive no one can afford it. Much less take it off road at that expense. Good video.
Great channel to get honest proven reviews! Love the used car / truck mostly since most of us can't afford new these days!
The Ford Ranger is a very dependable truck! I love it so so much
Hi where did you get the front bumper on your ram 2500 thanks Bob
$37,600 ain't bad where I'm at! When u had that they were asking over $40K... & Yours had low mileage!
Love my 2019 Ranger FX4. It tows 5000 pounds like it's not there, 7000 pounds is still pretty easy. It goes through mud holes that non-Rubicon Wranglers get stuck in. It's quiet on the freeway. Seats are comfortable. Has just the right amount of tech. Analog dial gouges with a small display is pleasant to look at. The interior has a lot of cheap materials, but at 40,000 miles it doesn't squeak or rattle so it's better than a Mercedes C-Class.
My only real complaints are that the factory tires are not good when cold and wet, but fine in the snow, and fuel economy is not good - off-road tires probably aren't helping either of those complaints.
30:00 I have noticed more shyster with ram than even other “American” OEMs. I think it’s one of the plethora of reasons that stellaris is bleeding. I bought a used ram 3500 from Rhythm CDJR with $2k of shyster fees, that they wouldn’t budge on. This is before even getting to finance. I will not be back.
The CT is like the dude that can fart on command.
Over it after the first demo.
I'm currently in the market for a work truck for my lawncare business I am in between a 1500 or a 2500 trying to stay with the older style trucks due to cheaper maintenance like 08 and lower any trucks and engines you recommend currently use my 04 1500 dodge ram 4.7 or my 2012 ram 1500 with the 5.7 but the 5.7 is burning oil so I'm getting rid of it.
I didn’t know you sold the 97 super duty, I thought you had planned on comparing it to the 90’s Cummins?
The Ram Charger, Silverado EV and a Hyrbid Full Size Pickup Series (F-150 & Tundra)
How did you guys get the raptor at MSRP
Looking forward to seeing results on the 2025 Ram truck power plants (can't stand the E-Torque offerings) p.s. miss the 3.0 diesel...
The 1915 Ford Model T can hardly be considered an investment. It cost $390 in 1915, or adjusted for inflation in 2023, $11,856.32. A sales price of $13,000 in 2023 is not much of a profit.
I would like to see the Ford Model A reviewed, since Dad's 1929 Model A and the dentist's Jeep were the only vehicles that could get through the snow and mud during hunting and fishing season from their northern Wisconsin town in the early 1950s.
@@charlesbranch4120 Then vote every Democrat out of office and get rid of the EPA and DOT.
I really enjoyed most of the "stubby" videos, even though admittedly I'm not a huge Mopar fanatic. - & Your grimace as it pertains to the Old Ford Super Duty, well certainly my least favorite. Starting with its Price Gouging price! Yeah, I know it was "height" ish of Covidish=Pure GREED bc that trucks components had Zero to do with the world's shortages 🙄🤢. Then to only fail epically Oy! Like the seller should have been beaten 😂. Like he didn't KNOW? Come on!? - all that stuff aside I enjoy all of you. Including your supposed "rants", well the more mature fellas I guess😂. I know I pick on Tommy "sometimes" as my bf looks at me funny. I like him too, otherwise I wouldn't watch. 🤷♂️ Thank you for providing so much entertainment, been a real joy! I hope you all have a good Holiday! ❤
Can you review a 2024 single cab f150 4x4 or 4x2 supercharged from the factory? Rumor is ford is partnering up with shops and adding superchargers to f150s on 2024 models? Or can you verify or look into it?? A true modern day lightning ??🤔
I wish they would have kept / Nathan had bought that 80 Series Landcruiser. Did you guys sell it / lose money on it?
I bought a 2022 GMC regular cab 4x4 pro model with the 2.7 turbo the same time as you got stubby. Love this truck for a daily worker and I paid about the same price. These pickups are just so much easier as a daily driver.
Surprised to hear you guys felt like there was unfinished business with the Ranger. I think I did basically lose interest in that one, apparently at some point prior to you putting stickers on it. It wasn't a new product when you guys got it, but it also wasn't old enough to be interesting.
Regarding vehicles I'd like to see you guys buy for extended reviews in 2024; If the *Toyota Stout* is going to be a real thing and available that soon (confidence extremely low), I'd definitely like to see that. Basically likewise for any new compact or midsize, should there be a new Dakota or anything like that. I know this is the wrong podcast for it, but I'd like to see lots of *Land Cruiser* content. Not sure if buying will be the best approach for that, or, given how much fanfare it has, maybe Toyota will have more in the fleet to lend to journalists/content creators? You guys would know better than me.
If you're doing used vehicles, they should be old enough to be interesting. I'm sorry to hear about the F-250 not being that successful. I was alarmed when I saw it was modified. Only diesel tuner I would ever trust is Banks. I wonder if you could buy something non-running for dirt cheap and work to get it operational again? NOT a restoration, more like a frugal project where you end up with something cool for not much money at the end. Project could have a 3-6 month timeline and never need to represent a major % of TFL's bandwidth. Would people watch that? Again, you'd know better than me.
Beyond 2024, I would like to see the R2T/R2S! Maybe my first EV? Cybertruck definitely not for me.
Please bring this to market. My gmc wont fit in my garage with a camper top. So that leaves the tonneau. Water is the universal problem. The Dee zee might work.
If you have a new spot no one makes it out of on the Ranch how about Helping Hand Hill because most need a helping hand to get out of it. Lol
Remember Bonus depreciation is getting phased out. Only 80% of the value can be immediately expensed under the rule for 2023 filings, and Sec 179 is only another lesser portion. 2024 it will be 60% of the value if the lobbyists don't throw a fit, and complete phaseout by 2027
The best you can hope for with a "Stealership" is that they are only a little bit of crooks.
Honesty and Dealership are 180.
The full story is that you had to get the bed from the factory directly. You had to go out there and pick it up. Pick up bed!
I have a hard time watching some of these videos knowing the trucks are so ridiculously priced. The average F150 is 60k... I just can't get behind that.
It's a car. A solid frame and solid rear axle do not a truck make. If that were the case, many cars through the 70s would be considered trucks.
cars are like the only thing where you spend more money but get less reliability
GM’s best engineering team isn't much of a boast
Would be cool if TFL made a video about cool cars they don't have in North America. The Chinese are making some cool offroaders.
nathan got hat on again.
I would have liked more maverick hybrid content. Probably in the minority there but i felt like everyone did content on the non hybrid version and i could never get a sense for how it did in the winter environment
Pickup trucks have such tiny beds. Why are they not vans? A spare wheel could go high on a wall or sit between cab and box. But if tall as an off-road capable truck...underneath seems to have been a thing? I grew up with tiny hatchbacks and wagons (yes, Open Kadett) with a full spare under the floor.
Despite me normally choosing any Ford over any ugly round fat Ram, the TRX, althoug was a huge overkill beating Gen 2 Raptor with extra 252 hp, had some sort of soul and comfy winter truck vibe, it felt like a passion project for Stellantis, while Ford feels like 100% made for money. It was also a huge disappointment, cos I expected Ford to find a more elegant way to make power, like maybe a 600-ish hp hybrid.
Should have tested the Ranger more!
I can't speak to the EVs because I live in the "country", and they aren't up to snuff yet on infrastructure. I can, however, offer an opinion on the Raptors and Raptor R's. I (at least temporarily) moved on from Toyota with them dropping the V8 and the loss of recovery/tow hooks. I don't need to tow a lot, so I am more interested in capability and longevity. I thought about a Raptor or Raptor R, but when I found out (I ordered my truck in February) that it may be a year or more for just a Raptor (let alone a Raptor R), I ordered a Tremor with a Coyote. I initially thought I would supercharge it, but I'm getting better fuel economy than everyone else (including other Coyotes) so I may just stand pat. The order times and prices are prohibitive for most people, hence the limited Raptor R enthusiasm. Peace, Love!!
I wanted to see the ranger race the new Colorado
before watching - new drinking game. take a drink of hot coco every time Andre's cruse control get's referenced. loser is the one who has to pee first. lol
16:51 it does have more off road capability than most crossovers these days.
52:08 it's next on the list of things for me to watch
From what I gather the k truck is not even legal on the highway! Oops kind of forgot that statement huh. according to that Texas small truck sales.
yaa dont have to listen to roman rant and rave for an hour ill watch
i think you should buy the new raptor
Trucks aren’t trucks with out a bed. The T has a trunk.
Model T. Talk about needing to develop a fuel network out in the middle of no where.
Heck why would I go ICE. My horse can go anywhere. Eat and drink almost anywhere. It happens.
And then later it becomes glue.
Quit quitting on what comes after ICE. It will happen. Just when and what.
Cyber truck though is a dog. An Edsel.
Can the Hummer match the Rivian R1T 4-motor verion that's been discontinued? That one impressed Doug Demuro quite a bit on a trail he says the local off-roaders pretend isn't a trail but a rock face 😀
As journalists, can you guys really say a truck is reliable when you guys only had it for a year or two and put less than 30,000 miles on it?🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Best - Andre's F150
Worst - Nathan's Montero
The Montero is an SUV, not a truck. That would fit in the video for cars. I'd say the worst so far was the GMC Hummer EV (since Andre didn't want to mention his Colorado).
Buy the every man truck. Not the exorbitantly expensive truck that most people aren't able to afford. The middle of the road trucks are what people are buying and, naturally, viewing on CZcams. Something thats reasonably obtainable to the average person.
GMC Hummer EV to me is the best truck TFL ever bought. Many other vehicles would have the same issues as this truck did in the beginning but they show the off road capability, towing tests that blew my mind and outperforming the competition, and the super fun drag races. Way better looking and capacity than the ugly cyber(SH!T)truck. Don’t care what others say, I stick with my opinion.
I’m sick of all these high dollar trucks, I much prefer the budget friendly cheap Jeep type series.
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Ford Fookin' RANGER
People will look back at the Hummer and laugh……or maybe they already are.
Listing to you guys whine about buying a raptor r and then having to sell it just makes me thumbs down this