How did ONE missing letter crash this plane? | Dan Air 1008
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Minutes before touching down in Tenerife on April 25th, 1980, catastrophe struck Dan Air London flight 1008, a Boeing 727 en route from Manchester, England. This was the second air disaster to strike the island in just three years, revealing severe infrastructural and technological shortcomings which had plagued the island for decades. These days, the Dan Air crash is overshadowed by the collision of two 747s on the runway of that same airport, which remains to this day the biggest air disaster in history.
This video investigates the lesser-known Tenerife collision of that period, using the Final Report and other publicly-available sources.
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Final report:
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00:00 Intro
00:40 Passengers and Crew
01:55 Initial descent and ATC contact
03:22 Holding instructions
04:24 A small misunderstanding
07:00 A Turn of event(s)
08:35 Immediate aftermath
09:10 A contentious investigation
10:59 Infrastructural insanity
11:41: The present day - Zábava
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That makes sense, i though you were talking about 10-15% faster than your usual pacing lol
I appreciate if you woudnt talk that fast, almost impossible to follow for me that not have English as the main language, just being stressed of listening, sorry...
The amount of 1970-1980s crashes could’ve been prevented had ground control just had radar is astonishing to me.
You have to put yourself in that time, where everything was limited, from technology, funding, to people' awareness of the danger they could be in, in so many situations that were unthinkable of at that time...
@@watercat1302 correct but I think he’s just saying if in that time they had the technology more accurate and available many of theee accidents wouldn’t have occurred.
And also if Spanish controllers spoke basic English and used correct terminology.
Spanish controllers have caused many of (including the worst) aviation accidents due to poor English and communication brevity.
The job of air traffic controller before radar mustve been so much more nerve wracking than today, you cannot make ANY mistakes
Can't imagine how hard it is to be a airline pilot. Every accident there is new information you have to update. Some crashes they say "if he'd only listened to his equipment" other crashes they say "if he'd only ignored the false readings of the equipment."
And all those decisions they have to take in seconds
A girl I knew at school lost her parents in this crash. Over 43 years later I still pass their house and I’m often reminded of this accident. Sending you a hug Janet wherever you are.
Absolutely tragic. 😔 I hope Janet is doing ok in her life. 🙏
Its crazy to think that a week ago i went to visit the crash site of the plane since i live in tenerife and the landing gear is still there
@@biejaleslol1225 did this not happen in the mountains?
One of my workmates and his wife were killed on that flight. He had just retired and this should have been his retirement holiday. So sad.
One of my Brothers school friends was on this flight with his parents, I’ve never found a memorial site for this accident but I think there could be one at Manchester airport. So sad, my brother never talks about it. But I remember a lot of children crying in assembly when we were told. I was 5 years old at the time.
I lost family in this terrible accident. My Dad gave them a lift to Manchester Airport that day to catch the doomed flight.
I turned round on my bike waving to them on my front door as I set off for school.
Little did I know that would be the last time I would see them alive. It was heartbreaking for me as a 12 year old child and the rest of the family too.
I would like to thank Green Dot Aviation for making this video. I’ve read the report into the crash but this video gives me a better understanding of the accident xx
Hope you are doing well now 💔
So sad brother 💔
I hope you are doing well . Much love to you and your family ❤❤❤
thank you for sharing this, wishing you and all of your family the best.
😢😢😢😢🙈💔
Sorry for your loss ❤
What always baffles me
First crash there, they had no radar.
Years later, STILL no radar. 🤦♂
I had never known the reasons behind this crash until now. One of my friends from uni was one of the flight crew. She was a lovely bubbly person and this was her dream job. RIP Kerry - you will never be forgotten.
That's right - she won't be forgotten.
I'll remember too.
Is there anything else you'd like to say about her?
Rest in peace to your friend!! 😢
Damn what a way to go. Rip
I was a Dan Air stewardess at the time, flying out of Manchester, and I will never forget the truly sickening feeling and the disbelief, horror and shock on learning what had happened. The loss of colleagues who were also friends and of so many people looking forward to their holidays was hard to take in, and I remember thinking back to my training course when we had to complete a form detailing any identifying features or jewellery that was worn permanently, such as a wedding ring, should identification ever be needed in the event of an incident. I left my job shortly afterwards - not out of fear, but because I found it hard to deal with and it was difficult to stay focused and keep smiling when working. I will always remember the date (I always think of it as 'black Friday') and those who lost their lives.
My grandparents died in this horrible crash.
My mother told me the details of how they give a emergency number out on TV for relatives to ring.
My mother rung the number only to be told they were not on the flight....... Unfortunately a mistake had been made and both her mum and dad were dead aged in there mid 40's.
I never knew them and it kinds bugs me to this day.
There is a memorial garden in Manchester for the lost that died that day.
No body ever seems to remember Dan Air flight 1008.
@@highdefinitionstanleytm9614 I
I'm so very very sorry to hear this. I can't begin to describe the shockwaves and heartbreak that encompassed the whole of Manchester Airport and the Manchester area. It was hard to take in, and has never been forgotten by those who worked at the airport when this happened. I still have the newspaper cutting. If it's any comfort to you, on the Dan-Air Facebook pages there are countless people - ex crew, engineers, catering, cleaners - who remember that day with great sadness. I have never been back to Manchester since, but actually I may very well visit the memorial garden in the not too distant future.
@@leightimmins2800 thanks for the kind words., ❤️🙏😘
@@highdefinitionstanleytm9614 I wish I could say more. But Manchester was a much smaller airport then than it is today, and I know that so many people who worked there in various capacities, as well as those of us who worked for Dan-Air and lost friends and colleagues, have never forgotten that terrible time.
This is strange. I'm not a pilot, nor ever will be, but my immediate response to that terrain warning was...climb immediately.
I was thinking the same thing up 5 thousand feet !
Every time I'm in a flight simulator I ignore it because it gives false alarms all the time. I can see why he ignored it. Spanish controllers have a history of poor English and communication brevity. Don't believe me, look up: "Worst Aviation accident in history Tenerife North".
@@CAL1MBO Pull Up..Terrain....doesnt come from air traffic control though.
I have developed a morbid and unhealthy obsession with this channel. Really intrigued with the deep explanation of the technicalities. Please cover more crashes!
I’m right there with ya. It’s terrible. I can’t stop watching. I know way too much about pitot tubes, etc.
I come back to channels like this all the time. Non pilot but love aviation. I take my next commercial flight this March though I better study up to prepare.
The more crashes I hear about, the safer I feel because the industry will be safer with every incident
Asmit: Green Dot is highly addictive. We are all hopelessly hooked and begging for more! Ha, ha.
But it is the best addiction of all, isn't it!
Though not as thrilling, engaging and well-scripted and presented as Green Dot, you might also enjoy Mentour Pilot as a second best.
@@frankdrebin259 Soon we'll all be graduating as First Officers!
My grandparents died in this horrible crash.
My mother told me the details of how they give a emergency number out on TV for relatives to ring.
My mother rung the number only to be told they were not on the flight....... Unfortunately a mistake had been made and both her mum and dad were dead aged in there mid 40's.
I never knew them and it kinds bugs me to this day.
There is a memorial garden in Manchester for the lost that died that day.
No body ever seems to remember Dan Air flight 1008.
I do. I've never forgotten it, or all those who lost their lives that day 😔🙏 My local airport is Manchester and as an avid 'plane-spotter' my memory of the crash is very vivid, down to little details such as the pilot's nickname being 'Red' Whelan. I even have photos of the actual plane reg G-BDAN taken on visits to the airport in the good old days when you could walk out onto the viewing piers above the stands where they parked! My (now) husband and me had just got the keys to our first house that day & were due to go out celebrating with another couple - our newly married best friends - but this terrible event put the dampeners on it as, ironically, our friend was a serving airport fire officer at MIA at the time & had personally known one or two of the crew on the doomed jet. Obviously none of us were in any mood for celebrating out of respect for all those who lost their lives so tragically; although his wife, my hubby and me didn't know anyone directly involved we were still moved to tears by the awful turn of events and it certainly upset a great many of the staff at the airport. I am so very sorry for your & your family's loss. Although it seems so long ago now in one respect its like yesterday in others. I, for one, will never forget Dan-Air Flight 1008, her lost passengers & crew, as long as I live 😢 and pray they rest in peace 🕊️ x
Sorry for your loss.
I'm so sorry for your loss . God rest their souls
11:17 That's remarkable.
When accidents involving even 10% that loss of life happened elsewhere in the world, it often resulted in world wide aviation changes. 600 lost at Tenerife didn't even warrant a RADAR site in Spain's view? Just wow.
From what I've read, the mountainous terrain was an issue at the time.
@@piotrstrzyzowski3336 you mean wasn't?
My sister flew to Tenerife from Manchester with the same airine on the same make of plane two days earlier. Nonetheless we were getting phone calls from all her friends after the crash all worried about whether she was onboard the crashed plane. Thankfully we were able to tell them that she flew to Tenerife two days before. Deepest sympathy to those that were not as fortunate.
Christ that's the first time a flight sim crash has made me jump. How fast the ground came out of the fog was terrifying, I can't imagine what that would have been like in real life
Made me sick thinking of being in that cockpit!
The real recording's out there (it was broadcast on TV at the time). That second, sudden, almost reflexive 'Bank angle!' is really chilling.
At least the passengers never felt anything. It's so terrible if you know you are going to crash.
At the time, following the investigation, we were assured that by the time the crew in the flight deck realised what was happening it would have been all over, and that the passengers wouldn't have known a thing, which is a blessing.
For the passengers I doubt there was any real processing time available to them to realise what was happening before the lights went out, thankfully.
What an awful, avoidable accident...
I will never understand how the first reaction to the ground proximity warning is anything but immediately climbing the aircraft. To me it’s like driving in foggy conditions and suddenly noticing you are about to drive off the side of the road… it is instinctive to turn away. If I was a pilot landing at an airport that had nearby mountains, I’d memorize the height of the highest peak and be prepared to climb to a safe altitude if I became disoriented about my position. Better to get to safety and start over.
I had a friend who was visiting Dan Air for a job interview on the day of the crash. The interview never happened and he became a banker. Not a victim of the crash but arguably a changed life.
What a touching story. Thanks so much for sharing!
"An additional problem was that the controller didn't have radar"
3:15
No words.
Well produced video with good map displays- thanks
Yes, indeed! - Three years after the first Tenerife Disaster.
smh, didn’t they learn anything?
There's nothing inherently unsafe operating without radar (called Procedural Control) but you MUST have the the instrument approach procedures published to enable the ATCO to manage and sequence the traffic expeditiously, effectively and - most of all - SAFELY.
I fly into TFN on a very regular basis, and these days it's evolved into an extremely safe and capable airport. One has to bear in mind the location of this airport to understand its issues. It's high up - very high up. Temperatures on the coast can be 25 - 30c and sunny, yet as I drive up to the airport in my car - the temperature has often dropped to around 12-15c, and thick cloud and fog has shrouded the airport. This cloud/fog can disappear within minutes to reveal blue skies again and then it will rapidly descend again. Landing on either runway and quickly you can see the distant land below rising up underneath you without the plane actually descending very much - reminding you that this island is one big volcano rising upwards from all of its coastal points. It's certainly a crazy place to have an airport - and when it does close due to the weather, TFS is there to take the strain - and this happens quite frequently. You're content is absolutely gripping - well done!
Experienced pilot, but he assumed, rather than double check, where the aircraft was. And the ground prox going off wasn't enough for him, so strong were his convictions about where the aircraft was. And losing 300 feet in the turn is bad flying. Too many errors going on!
Yes, indeed.
Where I worked as an ATCO, we had 2 civil airports near us - we'll call them Airports A and B. Airport A was further north than Airport B, which itself was further east than Airport A. When the civilian ATC units that worked the airspace during the day closed at night, airliners inbound to A and B would call us for deconfliction and sequencing. One night, a B727 of the same subject airline called us inbound to to Airport B; descent clearance was issued and the aircraft given "own navigation to Airport B's radio beacon". When the aircraft was about 28 nms west abeam of Airport B but still on a direct track to Airport A, I had to ask the pilot: "confirm destination?" The reply was "Airport B!" So I gave him a radar vector turn of about right 150° to head to Airports B's radio beacon. As my incident predated this video's, I often wondered if it was the same captain.....
It’s absurd that it took 20+ years to install radar in Tenerife after such a crash, especially as a popular vacation spot. Also it’s an incredibly bizarre decision to have a runway where the approach requires pilots to fly over mountains when you’re on an island, not to mention the lack of planned holding patterns.
I discovered your channel a few days ago and have been binging on your short documentaries. I would like to say that I absolutely love the quality of your production, from the voice modulation in the narration, the accurate flight recreation in a sim, to appropriate background music, to making it highly technical yet emotional, and including how crashes are a chain of unfortunate events that come together to bring a negative consequence. Well done, liked and subscribed!
i just discovered this channel a few days ago. Excellent stuff all round. am also binge watching
Shrey, I agree with you completely, apart from the slight exception of the narration.
I do feel that our friend rather hurries through his stories and tends to gloss over some words, which can be irritating.
I accept that this appears to be his normal speaking voice, but when making a commentary where individual words are important, allowance has to be given to those who are not used to his voice, and need to "tune in", as it were.
I'm trying not to be critical, it's just an observation!
@@mtm4a He seems to have remedied that narration speed thankfully. Sheer perfection now.
Very good video with the best graphical explanation of this tragedy I’ve seen. I grew up in Blackpool (near Manchester) and was a regular Dan Air passenger in the late 70s and early 80s - in fact we flew in G-BDAN to Menorca once. At school we were all shocked and upset by the crash because a fellow pupil lost relatives. All very sad.
you have such a talent reconstructing events with a dramatic psychological precision. just using verbal communication. that's the power of literature you are summoning, i see a brilliant novelist in you.
i wish this Terenif incident was merely a misunderstanding between a bunch of boys playing aircrafts with no real passengers involved.
Thank you very much for the kind words.
I've read about this air crash many times from many sources, this has been the clearest version of any of them,well done,subbed
Thank you!
Very good video but if you want a different video of this one, I recommend Allec Joshua Ibay. He does decent vids on airplane accidents and I know he covered this one.
@@Qwerty-hy5mj A wonderful video on the infamous 747 crash 3 years prior was done by Mentour Pilot if you would like to dig deeper into this airport
I was flying back from Tenerife to Manchester on the day of this crash and though I was only 9 years old, I still remember all the press and TV crews at the airport after we had landed .RIP
Flew on this plane from Gibraltar to Gatwick in Sept. 1975. First time used as service trooping flight from Gibraltar.
What a terrible tragedy.
Very interesting. I knew 2 people from Garforth , Leeds and one person from Selby who died on this flight very sad
Sadly David my parents from Hull were on this flight too my only comfort is knowing they died together and with no pain it had a big impact to many families in the north.The mass funeral in manchester south cemetery was dreadful i was only thinking of my parents bodies but to see 123 coffins together was too much for me to witness so much grief .
@@carlharris2808 Hi Carl so sad to hear that
@@carlharris2808 Carl I’m so sorry to read that. Thank you for sharing.
@@davidwilkinson6949 thx David
@@zero_wing_ Thank you for your thoughts sadly people lose loved ones everyday.
Had thought at the time of the infamous Pan Am / KLM crash that another airport was close to completion. If true, surprised they didn't shut down this airport once the other came online. The pilots, the airport and the ATC were to blame for this avoidable tragedy. Thank you for presenting this story, had never heard of it before.
Yes, these days the other airport (Tenerife South), is far more widely used, and it's in a much safer location by the sea.
Las Rodeos Airport, the northern one, is used only for general aviation now.
For almost 10 years Los Rodeos was downgraded to regional operations and all domestic and international routes were settled at Tenerife South. Later, in the 90s, Los Rodeos began to host domestic lines and since the new century regular international routes have Los Rodeos as destination, specially with UK and German, but also with Portugal, France, Venezuela or even Miami.
Several jets inbound as I write a 757, at least 2 A320s etc. infact 11 more passenger jets scheduled for only this evening, small turbopropa not included. Foxtrot Papa beacon still in use, and taxiway E2 still not suitable for a 747 backtracking on RWY 12, as it’s angle is too sharp and is for aircraft with less than 30m wingspan only. Those taxiways is however closed in low visibility operations, as it seems like this airport still doesn’t feature a ground radar.
@@julosx Not at all. Tenerife North holds almost all national traffic from the Iberian Peninsula, while Tenerife South is mainly holiday charter traffic.
I flew to Los Rodeos with Dan Air in a Comet 4 GAPDC in November 1970 . It was the early days of package holidays.. I flew with Clarkson Holidays from London Gatwick.. The flight was delightful with great hot meal service and liquors served and real hot towels.. These were the early days of popular travel .. Everybody was dressed with suits and ties and this airport at Los Rodeos served the main destination Puerto dela Cruse on Tenerife when the cloud would appear everyday around 1pm.. They took us by coach to the south of the island one day and there was just one small hotel at Los Cristianos and nothing more there in 1970... no tourism as such.. only wealthy people visited the Canary Isles before this time. I can remember how damn hot the south of the island was at the time and a small winding road of many sharp bends across the mountain to get to the south.. many people felt sick on the coach.. Puerto dela Cruz was a rich man's resort of well established laid back smart hotels a bit like Raffles in Singapore with tall palms and green gardens .. So different to the bucket and spade tourism of Playa Americas that has now dwarfed the once little resort of Los Christian's.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
@@NicolaW72 Thankyou
Great documentary, makes you wonder how many near misses occurred around this airport.
Very clearly explained.
Dan Air had lost a Comet 4 at Barcelona 10 years previously flying into high ground.
Ah yes... Dan Air London.. A great airline and start friendly crews.... I flow on there Comet 4 GAPDC in 1970 .. that aircraft was previously owned by BOAC and was one of the first jets to fly across the Atlantic with GAPDB. . My flight in November 1970 was with Clarksons and one of the earliest package Holidays abroad..
Having watch a large number of these videos over the years, my main take away is: if you find yourself lost in the dark or clouds, fly up, then work it out where you are at a higher altitude. Not sure if this is the right assumption, but thankfully I'll never have to put that assumption into practice.
You could go into an aerodynamic stall. Lol
It sounds like one of the reasons why EASA exists. Instead of letting major airports doing their own thing at their own pace - if at all, EASA sets the minimum bar the airports have to reach to be considered safe. Flying in the EU and the wider EEA is now so incredibly safe these days.
Yes, Spain was in a transition period for a long time, and joined the EEC (now EU) in 1986. Safety has improved considerably since then.
Being allowed to operate an airport without radar seems mind-blowing.
Flew to Tenerife a couple of times in the 1980s on family holidays when I was very young. The first one was in about 1985. Makes you think how close it was in time to these crashes.
The first officer should have read back the holding instruction, but ATC should have challenged the failure to do so.
It usually takes two to miscommunicate.
Congratulations! I live in Tenerife and I know this accident pretty well because I've studied it a lot. And I can affirm the yours is the most impartial and precise video I have watched about the Dan Air 1008, not biasing against Spanish nor English parts, but balancing every errors.
On the other hand, the last major accident in Tenerife was this very one. After that, two minor accidents ocurred, involving private aircrafts (an accident in an airshow in 1985 and a cessna with a communication failure in 1999).
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. And that’s good to know that the 1999 crash wasn’t a large passenger aircraft, at least.
@@GreenDotAviation yes, thanks for the info about the 1999 accident. Was a bit alarmed to know of another large plane crashing there. Even the loss of a few lives is tragic, but the other two crashes were horrific.
@@GreenDotAviation My grandparents died in this horrible crash.
My mother told me the details of how they give a emergency number out on TV for relatives to ring.
My mother rung the number only to be told they were not on the flight....... Unfortunately a mistake had been made and both her mum and dad were dead aged in there mid 40's.
I never knew them and it kinds bugs me to this day.
There is a memorial garden in Manchester for the lost that died that day.
No body ever seems to remember Dan Air flight 1008.
I'd never heard of the terms "Confirmation" & "Expectation" bias until I recently started watching "Green Dot Aviation", traits as humans we all share and I think "expectation" bias played a role in the decision-making by the KLM pilot in the KLM/Pan Am, Tenerife crash.
@@highdefinitionstanleytm9614 Oh I am so sorry. I'd never heard of this terrible crash either. How devastating to have lost two loved ones at such a young age. I'm glad to know these people have been memorialized w/a garden. How nice. My condolences.🌹❤🌺🌷🌼
Oh bloody hell.. it’s 3am and now you’ve forced me to watch your videos due to how fantastic they are. In all seriousness, keep it up! Great content and honestly super enjoyable
Hope there were no nightmares after you watched!
First time hearing about this tragic event. Have to say, after hearing about so many air disasters on CZcams, I really do think flying is only the safest form of transportation today at the cost of many lives lost in the past. Statistics really don't paint the full picture of the tragedies that occurred before all the safety measures were put in place today. The swiss cheese model only described how an air disaster event is extremely unlikely today, but it wasn't always like this. It's just sad that many of these disasters were preventable if there was less red tape involved in implementing some of these recommendations from earlier disasters.
Really interesting thank you. You do a great job of explaining these CFIT/disorientation crashes, especially explaining the little nuances. Probably not a coincidence that these kinds of incidents are the ones that get forgotten (I'd never heard of this until recently). No bombs or bits falling off, just subtle little mistakes, but in their way these are the most compelling stories, showing how easily we make mistakes and take extreme peril for granted if it isn't staring us full in the face.
Thank you very much for covering up this "forgotten" crash, with would have been a major issue without the happening three years earlier. Unbelievable that there was still no radar installed after that!
it isnt mentioned in the video that a new airport was built in the south of the island -where most of the airlines now fly into
I hadn't heard about this crash before this video. Thank you for posting. This is the first time I've watched your channel. Will definitely watch more.
Great vlog. Another thing is that they built TFS near Los Christianos. It has about 340 days of sunshine a year. TFN is mainly used for domestic Spanish routes.
I was working that day at EGCC Manchester. The boss came in the mess room and told us of the crash, the guys who loaded it felt a kind of connection as they saw the passengers boarding plus they handled all their luggage, when I got home that evening it was on the news. I used to always think when watching the passengers boarding, seeing how happy they are plus young excited children going on an aeroplane and going on holiday. I have flown only once on a DanAir B727 The last letters of the reg was NE we called it 'Nellie the elephant' as it had a noticible hump on the roof of the body, they say it was where it was joined together from two different aircraft, not sure if that was true or just a rumour.
Considering the fact that nonstandard phrases played a role in the crash of the two jumbos at Tenerife, it’s amazing they didn’t fix the problem.
This is the best aviation channel. RIP to everyone on board.
There was another crash that got overshadowed by the 1977 disaster and is largely forgotten and never profiled. On Dec 3, 1972 Spantax flight 275 crashed on takeoff from Los Rodeos airport killing all 155 aboard.
Thank you for covering the other one. I was just about to roll my eyes at another one, but nope, this ones different. Thanks!
That was excellent. Many thanks for taking the time to do this.
I watch a few youtube channels such as your one and it is by far the best. I have subscribed and look forward to catching up. Thanks. Stuart
Very good pictorial presentation which other videos on this accident lacked. It took years and years before the Dan Air crew was finally exonerated and Spain took action to prevent a reocurrence.
Yes indeed, this was a horrific accident - and many good people from Manchester area died. Children were orphaned, families torn apart. It will never be forgotten.
Interesting to hear of this lesser known Tenerife tragedy. When in any doubt, *always clarify!* It may just save you a fatal outcome...
Interesting CFIT case. As a pilot who flies to countries where English is not always great, I know that this is not a valid excuse when things go wrong. The pilot in command is ultimately responsible. In this case, the crew clearly lost situational awareness of their position with respect to the terrain. The crew showed confusion about what they were supposed to do, both the F/O and the Capt. expressed this confusion openly. If you find yourself in a cockpit in which everyone is confused, all while in IMC and descending to an airport surrounded by high terrain, this calls for an immediate go around, climb to MSA and turn towards the direction of low terrain while cross-checking their position against the VOR/DME of TFN, on which the MSA was centred.
The silence of all those souls on-board resting in peace perfect peace...God Bless them X
It's one of those accidents which you're not supprised that they have happened but rather why they didn't happen for so long till finally they did. No hold pattern for the runway, pilots confused but didn't clarify with ATC, terrain ahead message which should give shiver to each pilot was effectively ignored.
Having worked in the aviation industry for 40 years i can tell you that many ATC organizations, especially in developing countries or locations are starved of funding... they are near the bottom of the pecking order for government funds...
There was a lot of sitting on hands by the crew, rather than a fast request for a clarification. The fact that they knew they were flying lower than the mountains and they knew they were flying to that area before they arrived there seems negligent. Flying around in the mountains seems a bad scenario.
I went to the hairdresser the day after the accident and my usual girl was nowhere to be seen. The other girls were running around trying to cover her appointments. I asked what was the matter. ‘Didn’t you know?’ they said. ‘All her family were killed in the air crash.’ It was true. She lost parents, brother and grandparents in the crash. She was the only member of the family who wasn’t on that flight.
God, that’s terrible
Just found your channel a while ago and have had a chance to see some of your work.
Well done.
Thank you! More on the way ✈️
Your channel is my favorite :) so interesting and I always learn so much
Great coverage. Thank you for sharing this.
Glad you enjoyed it
My sister worked for Dan Air and was there till the very end of the company. She always said that while many of the pilots where nice guys, they had that "Battle of Britain" attitude that it was below them to query any thing that they weren't sure of and the "wing and a prayer" attitude prevailed.
I love this channel! Thank you green dot aviation for all your magnificent content. Sadly I think I’m nearing having watched it all with some multiple watches already under the belt.
Thank you, a very factual & credible account as have been all others I have watched.
Good clear presentation, thanks
Really terrifying one. The crew getting edgy, uncertainty, and 400 mph impact in to a mountain, Sheezus.
The Captain was very experienced, and the First Officer was a trainer also and very capable. It was a terrible conjunction of confusion and misfortune.
Christ that was such a fast crash and made me jump, can’t imagine how horrifying that would’ve been in the cockpit. Shocks me learning that debris flew so far it landed onto a road, folk driving must’ve had such a sinking feeling in their hearts learning what the wreckage was
If you listen to the recording of it, I don't think they were even aware of what was just about to happen.
i love how you recorded all the audio yourself too! Ha - i thought the voice sounded familiar at first ;)
I knew a couple from Blackpool who were killed on this flight
Thank you for this video. I might have heard about it but never in so much detail. 👍 The Captain should definitely have taken the plane up higher, especially since no one validated the Controller's instructions. 🥺
Great job on video 👍
Well done, thanks.
I used to got Tenerife twice a year in the late 80s and 90s. All yr round warm sunshine. 2 weeks self catering for about £90-150 including insurance. I miss those days and the prices.
It seems most accidents have many parents.
Miscommunication always seem to be involved, and usually CRM issues show up too.
Love your story telling reliving it down to the smallest detail. Good job on the flight sim modelling too. Which add ons do you use and do you operate the sims yourself or contract them out?
Thanks for the video, but one small point about your final comments about safety flying into Tenerife, you forgot to mention that the newer airport, Tenerife South, is where most of the flights land now.
It has more traffic but that's only because most holiday resorts are closer. Tenerife north recieves a good deal of traffic daily, domestic, national and international with the same safety conditions as any other
First flew Dan Air in 1972 to Alicante airport from Glasgow Airport the old propelled engines
Very very good description.
I'm from Tenerife. I saw the aircraft pass over my school. And when I arrived home, I remembered they were on the radio informing about searching for the plane. There were even "witnesses" who had "seen" the plane throwing fuel to the sea, just in the opposite direction of the actual flight path. How did you know those details about the pilots previous flights to Tenerife?
These videos are addictive, well done!
Thank you! Glad you’re enjoying them 🙏🏼
Interesting.as a crash! enthusiast,i'd not heard of this one.thanks for the upload,Mr green dot.
There so much to keep an eye on in a cockpit
And car's now a day do to. So many buttons and screens.
Hard to understand. Basically your English is terrible. For one, “now a days cars do “ too seems to be what you mean. But really beyond using the correct spelling of “to”, you should just bin the whole awkward, clumsy sentence for something that conveys the proper meaning but hasn’t the mistakes in grammar, spelling, syntax and other errors. That’s just for starters.
Shame on you Lonny. If I read this stuff, I like to understand it. Oar is that too understand it?
Brilliant green dot
You did it. Thank you so much. I remember this being on the news when it happened.
Thanks for the suggestion! It was an interesting one to research.
Really informative video. I didn't know about this crash until I watched this video. I knew about the larger crash with the 747's at Tenerife, but really appreciate how well done this video is. Great job. Also, what is the name of the song you played at the beginning of the vid, if you know?
Thank you! I’ll have to check that and get back to you. Send me an email at greendot330@gmail.com if I don’t get back to you.
Terrifying details of the accumulation of 'events' . Thinking of all Dan-Air crew and all those lost on this flight 😐
The first flight I ever flew on was a Dan Air 727 in 1984.. Aged 4 lol
The 70’s-80’s was a dangerous time to fly
That airport is Cursed 😳…
I remember this tragedy and how it hit the North West hard. Such a tragic waste of so many lives. My mother worked at Manchester Airport as a Stewerdes for British Midland she once told about a Dan Air engineer urgently asking if anyone had chewing gum, When they asked him later why he said "oh a screw had come of a instrument panel and we didnt have a spare screw so I stuck it back with gum. Dan Dair had a reputation through the 60s-70s as Dan Dare Airways.🙁
So much for trusting ATC.
Hard to believe no radar at the time there..
Great job on this, thanks as ever.
Agreed, especially considering that the KLM/Pan Am crash had just happened.
Not much use - it's in a mountainous area.
@@sirbarringtonwomblembe4098 Yeah, but at least ATC would have tracked their initial moves that led them in the path of danger.
Well done.
Whoof. So much of this could have been avoided by confirming with a readback... they failed themselves by not reading back and ATC failed them by settling for "Roger", too.
I went to Tenerife on. a Dan Air 727 about a year before this accident from Gatwick.
I don't understand why they didn't just ask... Just... Ask for confirmation.
Don't know where you are, ground proximity warning, isn't the first thought full thrust and climb?
3:21 What the??? Even the worst air traffic accident took there because of also ground radar absence, Tenerife International still hasn't learn nothing from this 🤦♂️😕😕😕
It's been 44 years, this happened only 3 years after the other one. Not only we learnt but there hasn’t been a single major issue in all this time. You should probably check the political situation of that era before making such a comment as it greatly affected how airports were managed
@@AnaGarcia-lu8wq well I was just wondering about that you know
The BBC show Panorama did a pretty good re-enactment of the crash shortly after it happened. I remember watching it. Much better acting than the re-enactments done these days.
I must have a look for this!