Section of Fuselage BLOWS OFF in Flight Alaska Boeing 737 MAX 9 ALASKA 1282. REAL ATC
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- January 5, 2024.
Alaska Airlines Boeing 737-9 MAX registration N704AL performing flight 1282 from Portland International Airport (KPDX) to Ontario International Airport (KONT). Shortly after takeoff, one of the factory-deactivated emergency exit doors on the Boeing 737 MAX 9 serving the flight blew out, causing an uncontrolled decompression of the aircraft. The plane was immediately diverted back to Portland.
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Wow, how sad. The pilot is clearing dealing with every bell and whistle going off in the cockpit, while also trying to secure her own O2 mask, stabling the plane, dropping altitude and declaring an emergency. The ATC handoffs were horrible !!! The pilot should have only needed to declare an emergency one time and controllers should let her fly the plane and give her only the pertinent information requested or truly needed to return to field. The FAA and Pilots association should be looking into and be very concerned about how the ATC handled this emergency situation. The pilot / crew did a Damn good job!
Portland ATC was distracted because they didn't know which pronouns to use.
I mean to be fair though, mayday mayday mayday is a lot more clear of an indication of urgency and that's why it's the global standard. Not once did she use it.
@@Barbequeque still she was emergency plane. Very bad handovers.
No mayday call which struck me as odd .... or even a pan pan
She did declare an emergency and gave the nature of emergency so this is enough that atc knows its mayday priority.
This aircraft was built TWO MONTHS AGO! It's brand new!
JEEZUS Boeing!
New aircraft are the least reliable from my experience…there is always a few teething issues and bugs to work through right off the bat.
@@gpaull2 The Aircraft is still good I think it's that extra Emergency Exit Door installed by Alaska Airlines that blew away.
@@RustamShahAlaska doesn't install emergency doors. This is as delivered by Boeing, and blame lies entirely with them.
@@RustamShah It wasn't an emergency exit door. The shape of it looks like an emergency exit door but it was just a normal panel delivered by Boeing that way.
@@xplaymanIt was a plugged door; the emergency exit door in that place wasn't required for Alaska Airlines because their choice of number of seats wasn't as dense as other airlines, so they plugged it
Portland's ATC needs to be thoroughly reviewed. How they dealt with the emergency aircraft was unacceptable.
At first pilot was talking to Seattle Center then Portland approach then Portland tower….NOT the same ATC
Seattle Center was worse, but even PBX App/Twr kept asking the same questions. I'd say any pilot declaring an emergency should say "MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY - WE ARE DECLARING AN EMERGENCY" to remove all doubt, but this was clearly not her fault AT ALL! @@tylerjerabek5204
And things, even during an emergency, may change quickly during a flight. For any number of reasons, a flight might need to stay up in the air even in such a situation. Conversely, an even more immediate atttempt to land might also turn out to be in order. Communication to sort out ever-changing situations may require repetition of certain exchanges, especially if more than 1 ATC is involved.
Horrible
What part of “emergency” does ATC not understand? This is unbelievable.
Probably the part where she never properly declared emergency lmao
@@wozo9210 How about literally the second thing she said?!? 00:38
Maybe if they used the traditional "MAYDAY MAYDAY MADAY" it'd be clearer for everyone involved?
'Emergency" is not a proper call. The proper call is 'Mayday Mayday Mayday' Also, where did saying 'Emergency Aircraft' on every frequency change come from? If they had declared the Mayday properly, then ATC would have had 'EM' in red on their radar hit and everyone would know.
Agreed. The repetitive questions and need to change frequencies in the middle of heavy pilot workload is astonishing. The second controller didn't even know they had already declared emergency. Declaring Mayday at the outset would help, and the pilot initially sounded slightly panicked, but she settled down quickly. ATC eventually came up to speed, too, but not quickly enough.
ATC absolutely not up to the task, they clearly missed the urgency of the situation here.
Keep in mind
1. Talking to Seattle Center
2 then Portland approach
3. Then Portland tower
Not blaming one facility or the other, but...
1. Center may not have communicated the emergency situation to approach prior to the switch.
2. They were not aware of the extent of emergency.
3. Controllers are required to ensure certain things are accomplished when vectoring/descending/clearing aircraft because if and when things go completely wrong, they are always to blame. For instance, aircraft have to cross fixes at certain altitudes for ILS approaches (ASA was clearly still very high), ground rescue crews must be alerted and situated, any other traffic conflicts need to be resolved immediately.
So, until you know other factors, take a step back and think about what all needs to be accomplished by controllers in such a situation. All while trying to project confidence and calm to a pilot in distress.
@@tylerjerabek5204:
What about it? It’s the usual.
@@Bev_Rage:
In light of that, ATC definitely didn’t have its priorities right.
Would u rather they start screaming and freaking out? Lol I'm confused on what u have in mind
The pilots did a fantastic job. I can't begin to imagine how disorienting this would have been. Cockpit door blown open, headsets ripped off. Likely condesation in the cockpit. I think most pilots would be initally in a state of shock like she was. Still performed well despite the panic. All you can ask of a professional crew.
In my opinion the pilot acted exceptionally well. Understandably she was a bit rattled at the beginning but overall kept her cool and efficiency. Should be awarded a medal.
I'm not sure how correct this is but someone else commented that it might have been loud because the cockpit door also swung open when the door fell out
Absolutely correct.@@emmaknopa
This happened on January 5, 2024 not December 5, 2023.
Also, "AIRCRAFT" is misspelled in the thumbnail, "ARACRAFT." 😅
@@HunterAtheistprobably ai made? Lol
I'm very disappointed with the ATC's lack of attention to info they had already been given. Should have to declare emergency ONCE and give SOB and fuel ONCE. Poor handoffs, poor coordination. Pilots were excellent.
Look at other in-flight incidents and you will see a pattern of ATC missing initial emergency calls. This however is one of the most egregious incidents I have yet heard where ATC just dropped the ball.
Mayday Mayday Mayday might have helped, just a little. No, a lot! Pilots should stick to the international conventions, it's designed to grab attention. Immediately. But ATC as a whole were appalling, not passing the emergency to the next controller as such in at least one case.
Why isn't center informing PDX? "You just returning to the airport or what?"
@@1947daveIn avcoms Emergency and Mayday have specific meanings. Mayday means their afraid they might lose the aircraft, i.e a DIRE emergency. This pilot was top-notch and obviously had her crew and co-pilot evaluating and monitoring the situation and therefore did not abuse the Mayday call.
@@RasheedKhan-he6xxyou should probably delete this comment before you get roasted by people who actually know wtf they’re talking about
@@RasheedKhan-he6xxIt’s generally encouraged that as a pilot in command you err on the side of caution, rather than assume your situation isn’t dire. Like for all they know, critical components like hydraulics or the engines might’ve been damaged and are on the brink of failure
I found myself losing the will to live with ATC here. The amount of times she had to repeat herself. She’ll have a plane full of terrified passengers and an emergency door missing. I’m only a passenger on planes, so what do I know, but it was hard to make out what people were saying at times. Surely there should be a system in place so that all control towers in the area know there’s an emergency. The pilot gave souls/fuel/nature once. Other ATC’s should not ask questions they should just get other planes out of the way and say “yes” to the pilots’ requests.
The audio on these is from scanners on the ground that don't receive ATC comms very clearly at times. At the time of the incident, the aircraft was already in communication with Seattle Center, not Portland departure control. That's why you hear the change of controller--after the aircraft was inbound again for PDX, control shifted from Seattle Center to Portland Approach. This is absolutely standard practice. Also--the pilot failed to initially state "Mayday, mayday, mayday" which is standard terminology to declare a potentially life-threatening emergency.
@@stephenjarzombek2903 The fact that at 16k ft in a nose dive whilst breathing on apparatus you don't always function that clearly. She said, "We need to get down!" That might have clued whichever ATC Centre on duty that there was trouble. The pilot also gave relevant info pretty quickly and coherently. There wasn't the need to constantly repeat the info. Normally when you hear ATC videos of emergencies that are far less pressing, I still get frustrated with the amount of times they have to repeat themselves. If this is standard, it needs to be sharpened up.
@@MarkPMus It was not in a nose dive. ADS-B data shows it descended at 2000 fpm as there was no need for a greater descent rate from just 16,000 feet. That's the same rate at which it descended later from 7000 to 2000 ft. Likely a good idea as the crew would have reason for concern that the door/panel had damaged rear control surfaces. I agree that it seems odd when switching from enroute center back to approach in these situations that ATC almost always asks that info such as fuel and souls on board be repeated.
@@stephenjarzombek2903:
The pilot correctly declared an emergency.
The controllers acted dumb and unresponsive.
If they had audio as clear as what we hear, they botched handling this incident.
Controllers are supposed to recognize emergencies and offer all possible assistance.
They are not supposed to wait for certain magic words.
Just declare an emergency, tag it on the radar scope, and pass it on the approach controller that he has an emergency return.
Any intelligent person can tell it’s an emergency from the descent to 10,000’ or from the request to turn back.
“Is this an emergency? Or did you just forget your library book that’s due today?”
I don’t know what the controller was thinking. Pilots don’t suddenly descend and divert passenger aircraft for thrills and giggles.
@@denverbraughler3948 I don't necessarily disagree. What I can say is that I have read several criticisms of pilots in such situations--from experienced pilots--about the reluctance to clearly state "Mayday Mayday Mayday" when faced with an emergency like this.
The reason given by experienced pilots for using that term is it immediately alerts ATC and other aircraft on the frequency to prioritize comms with the aircraft involved.
Those experienced pilots noted that the official FAA document on ATC procedures and phraseology (TFAA Order JO 7110.65AA - Air Traffic Control 10-1-1) reads as follows:
A pilot who encounters a Distress condition should declare an emergency by beginning the initial communication with the word “Mayday,” preferably repeated three times. For an Urgency condition, the word “Pan‐Pan” should be used in the same manner."
Considering the circumstances, this couldn’t have ended any better for Boeing & Alaska. No one on the plane got sucked out & no one on the ground was struck from debris. Beyond lucky….
Holy sheet. ATC was pissing me off - I can only imagine what the pilots were feeling.
Well it's not "the" ATC as there were three parties involved overall, which might have made things worse. Apparently there was no transmission of information between the parties at all. Which I would expect in an emergency
LOL at ATC asking the pilots of an depressurized aircraft asking for immediate return if they have information Zulu.
The airplane might need to burn off fuel, the airplane might need to reduce altitude, the pilots might need to go through emergency procedures, there's lots of reasons why they might not immediately be ready to land. But hey, you'll probably know best.
@@lordskeletorde huh? I’m referring to the ATC asking the pilots to pick up the ATIS when they’re trying to tell with an emergency. Nothing about the amount of time the Alaska wanted to land one way or the other. That’s the whole point; they’re running checklists so asking them about the ATIS isn’t helpful.
You might of had a little reading comprehension fail there.
Emergency aircraft be advised that the coffee machine in the pilot's lounge is broken.
Props to the pilot - people like are is why I don't fear flying despite stuff like this
ATC kind of sucked on this one. The pilot started frantic but quickly got evened out but aTC was far from helpful. Overly sedated acting and not an offer of emergency vehicles and almost doubting the pilot could make the landing but offering go arounds multiples times
Given the audio and knowing how these headsets are they may not have heard the details of the emergency or if she had actually declared an emergency or was saying that she needs a descent but not an emergency. Still, the panic in her voice should have given away that it's an emergency. On the other hand, she should have started her emergency call with "mayday mayday." The initial decompression event would have caused a loud bang but it shouldn't have affected the flight controls. It's basically a C-47 like WWII paratroopers used to jump out of or a skydiving plane. Not downplaying the emergency, but the extra drama caused by that initial panic probably played into the delay of ATC getting the right equipment standing by. Also, the fact that she didn't directly take the aircraft down to 10,000 ft was probably confusing to ATC on if this was emergency. She leveled off at 12,000 ft and was requesting 10,000 ft. In an emergency the pilot-in-command does what they need to do and just inform ATC. Decompression is direct to 10,000 ft, no requesting.
@@xplayman I agree with many of your points here. As a pilot, calm rules the day. When you get frantic in only causes a higher likelihood of your radio transmissions being gargled. Take a deep breath and follow the protocols.
@@xplayman holy shit you are literally gaslighting a professional pilot
@@benja1378 Not gaslighting. Evaluating. There’s a difference you’d understand if you wanted to be a better pilot. As a pilot who works at a flight school who reads many NTSB reports on accidents like these (and in your flight training we drill emergency procedures daily) what I pointed out is mild compared to what will be in the final NTSB report. Even though there were no casualties in this accident the NTSB looks at everything that occurred to see how it could be better.
You can bet they’ll still have something to say about the emergency response even if the pilot’s decisions were flawed. They should start by criticizing the fact that in the USA the FAA doesn’t enforce the ICAO standards of communication that nearly every country in the world uses. It’s a factor in every accident I see in the US where they repeatedly go back and forth over whether or not it’s an emergency. Just a week prior an American flight had a depressurization event where controllers also had to confirm whether or not it was an emergency. Just say MAYDAY!
The 737 MAX looking good for the press again!
Just staying true to her reputation....
Imagine telling someone in 2023 that in the first week of 2024 the A350 will suffer its first hull loss and there will also be another 737 MAX incident, but this time without fatalities. Now tell them both incidents would actually be a boon for Airbus by boosting passenger confidence in its products.
No fatalities and a total hull loss and they got everyone out in 90sec. Nice job Airbus
@@aadityavishwanath783it took 18 minutes to get everyone off
@@biosparkles9442source
ChatGPT could have handled that better than ATC. ATC asking the same question repeatedly 🤭
Yeah, Chat GPT respond: you are cleared to land on 28L.
Pilot: there is no 28L.
Chat GPT: I apologize for confusion, you are right...
Center ATC took wayyyyyyyyy too much time giving them the return turn back to Portland. That controller likely bought a deal and will be retrained. The fact that no one got sucked out of the plane except iPhones is sheer LUCK! Why you ALWAYS KEEP SEATBELT ON ESPECIALLY FROM 10000-20000 as the aircraft pressurization system begins working. Boeing lucked out on this one if there was just a single fatality their stock and company would be toast. Glad the FAA did the right thing quickly grounding this obviously rushed hodgepodge of engineers to get back to safety basics. Smh.
It was Seattle Center then Portland approach
You realize it was spirit airlines job to secure that panel and Boeing did literally nothing wrong here
Before someone else says it, "blown out" :)
Terrible ATC handling, especially by that first controller at SEA center. PDX seemed to be a bit more on the ball. I am curious though why the crew didn't default to declaring "mayday mayday mayday". That is the standard trigger. Either way well done by the crew in a very stressful event.
Door plug w/window attaches by AFAIK just 4 bolts. Presumably, Boeing contractor Spirit AeroSystems will be in the hot seat.
Pilot started out very freaked out and I would have liked a Mayday call but recovered, ATC on the other hand makes me want to jump out the hole in the airplane my god
I thought she sounded freaked out too.
agree on atc too. 2 months ago I told atc I was diverting to nearby airport because I was losing power. atc says ok radar services terminated contact the nearby airport tower. lol. true story. if you don't say Mayday they don't put 2 and 2 together.
They sound “freaked out” because there voice needs to be talking over background noise.
You’d be freaked out too if you’re sitting in the enclosed cockpit while your flight attendant is explaining to you over the phone that a piece of the fuselage is missing from the back of the plane
@22noobtube I don't know about that man. She was losing pressurization at 16000 ft. Didn't sound like there was any loss of controls or other issues. Close to the airport. I am not trying to downplay the urgency of the situation, but I would expect a pilot at that experience level with a bit calmer voice and demeanor. Maybe I've watched capt. Sully emergency too many times. 🤣
@@ahmadsamadzai8255 well there’s also the female element , they are much more outwardly emotional in these kinds of situations than their male counterparts , that’s a fact.
Genuine question: did she have to request clearance down to 10000?, I thought in a depressurisation, you get down to 10000 as fast as you can?
Given it happened in proximity of the airport, other traffic may have been a concern
Mount Hood ain't that far away, there are elevations above 5000 all around there. No idea what the visibility is but you don't want to descend blind into the mountains.
It’s the procedure. Decend to 10000 or the lowest safe altitude if there are higher obstacles.
1)aviate
2)navigate
3)communicate
@@Flavio-arthis ^ 💯%
It didn't show here, but I saw in another video that they already started descending before that. So even if it was phrased as a request for clearance, it was more like intended as " we *are* descending to 10000".
Mayday Mayday Mayday!!! should get their attention
Crew handled that well.
so did the factory, for the most part.
How about “Approach, Alaska 1282, Mayday, Mayday, Mayday declaring an emergency, we have lost pressurization (as opposed to we have depressurized), descending to 10 ten thousand, need vectors right now to return to Portland for landing”. And when Approach asked them whether they had Zulu she should have said “negative Alaska 1282 doesn’t have Zulu read it to me”.
I would fly with this captain any day, just maybe not in a Boeing Max series, well Boeing, "anything," made in the last ten years. I am certain the Captain shares the sentiment.
A lot of armchair pilots on this chat. I think she did a phenomenal job landing a depressurization emergency and kept calm despite the obvious stressful situation. ❤
It's more stressful if you weren't hired on competency.
Notice the ATC personnel sounded like they were transmitting in a wind tunnel while the Alaska cockpit sounded clear and concise.
location of the receiver, might not have a clear path to the airport.
@@frankskoda-simmons I'm guessing frayed string between their tin cans.
They were high as fuck
"Portland Fire Department, what's the nature of your emergency?"
"I have a hole in my roof and an airplane door next to my couch"
"Are you sure?"
"Yes, I am sure! It's just me in the house and have no fuel around"
"How many people in the house and are there any fuel sources?"
"No, just me, no fuel. Please come quickly"
"Would you like a little more time to think about this?"
"No, I am pretty sure, I need to have you over here asap"
"Ok, it will be a little time, though, our crew is responding to an incident down at the airport"
Lol 😂😂
after 38 years of paycheck earning flying (30 yrs American retired Capt Airbus) I only had one DECLARED EMERGECNY" and I had to tell the ATC controller to "PAY ATTENTION" ..... he did, we landed overweight with engine failure ....... other than that ... good career.
How many times do they have to say the same thing before the controllers will get it?
This is why most of the world declares MAYDAY. Gets more attention than generic emergency that seems to be how the US do it.
@@colin79666 I'm not just talking about declaring an emergency, she gave passengers and fuel four times, requested the immediate descent at least three. Then gets handed to the approach controller and they have no idea what is going on. The controllers need to talk to each other before handing off an emergency aircraft, or don't hand them off.
*As often as they change from one controller to another.* Perfectly normal: They made 4 controller changes and and repeated the situation to each one of them.
@@benedictdesilva6677 They clearly did not communicate to each other. They made 4 controller changes and none of them had a clue an emergency was going on until the pilot said something. And the same controllers asked the same questions at least twice.
@@MeerkatADV That's exactly how it should be. Each controller is required to be entirely focused on their own patch and *not communicate directly* with other controllers―in most cases they're not in the same room.
Kindly listen again and *count* how many times the pilot had to repeat the situation to *each controller* : Exactly once. You will also note that each time the pilot was not clear in communicating the nature of the emergency, had to be asked repeatedly. The pilot was reluctant to declare an emergency. The situation was probably worthy of a PAN-PAN, if not a Mayday, and the pilot did not even want to declare an emergency.
The pilot has the last word and cannot (must not) be second guessed by controllers
Maybe the pilot was for the most part not aware of the blow out of the door until later, and was mentally dealing with a mere de-pressurization―which is not such a grave emergency.
Your statement _"The controllers need to talk to each other before handing off an emergency aircraft, or don't hand them off."_ is completely wrong.
Controllers do not _"hand off"_ to the next controller. They tell the pilot to now contact the appropriate next controller and provide the radio frequency if necessary. The *pilot is responsible for the hand off /transfer* and the new controller is unprejudiced ( as a rule has no clue ― *and rightly so* ) until contacted by the pilot, especially in the case of an unscheduled approach.
Why didn't the pilot say mayday just curious?
Did she say "We'd LIKE to go down" or "We're ABOUT to go down?" I thought she said "about" when I heard the audio for the first time.
Little correction, it happened yesterday, not a month ago
As a retired ATC I can say these controllers handling this situation are sub-par, at best. And I have earned the right to say that having been fully certified in an FAA enroute center and an approach control both. I’m truly embarrassed and ashamed listening to this playback. Horrible communication/coordination skills and no new clearance limit issued to this flight. How many times did the Alaska pilot state the words “declare emergency” and “depressurized”??? 4x? 5x? At the very minimum your first words as an ATC are “Cleared to the PDX airport via radar vectors…”. Then you’re covered in the event something catastrophic happens prior to landing. I don’t feel safe flying in 2024 with this young, inclusive, inexperienced crop of ATCs lacking the necessary critical thinking skills to perform their job in a safe, orderly, and expeditious manner
Totally agree with you, but wth has that to do with them supposedly being "inclusive" cmon Chuck you seem smarter that to regurgitate some white supremacist bs...
Younger Gen y or Gen z lol.
Well they were prob playing on tictok. Duh
Reagan busted their union. It's been free fall ever since.
Agree Chuck. I have little doubt DEI and quotas came into play within the tower at PDX. It finally answers the question. In this case the question is “do you want a fully qualified ATC professional or a quota to handle your emergency?”
Unbelievably inept controllers. Can’t you tell the pilots are freaking out? Can’t you tell they have the masks on? They declare an emergency and want a turn back to PDX and the controller says present heading? Are you serious? If I’m flying I’m telling the controllers I’m turning back to the airport and descending, get everyone outta my way! Then they check in with approach and the first thing outta his mouth is verify you have the atis? Really? Do you think they have time or care at that moment about the atis? Running check lists, talking to the back, people freaking out, every alarm going off, talking to company. Then he asks if they are an emergency. Really? They declared 3 times! Atc clown show.
Reporting on this, the cabin/cockpit door was blown open, so the pilots did know the chaos outside.
Doesn't ATC pass along emergency info? So many times they asked the same thing. Aircrew did an outstanding job - ATC clearly needs training / streamlining.
Wait, after declaring the emergency, the controller said "descend to 10000 and maintain heading"? Was the controller not understanding? In an emergency, doesn't the pilot have the right to do what they need to do without asking for controller approval? Of course, communication is key, but the final say should be with the pilot. The controller should be moving other traffic in the area around the emergency. Am I mistaken?
Some messages are going to be repeated back so both ends are on the same page with what's going to happen. That means if they come back with something unexpected you can call it out and deal with it. Communication is vital in these circumstances so that mistakes are avoided. They all seemed to make a good response to a bad situation.
It's still ATC's job to ensure a safe route back to PBX. There may have been other traffic. The crew should clearly state intentions and ATC should do whatever is needed to facilitate. Here, the crew was very clear and ATC seemed to be slow on the uptake.
Like listening to a clown roution. The pilot stated bodies and fuel left three times. Why did ATC not allow the aircraft to decent to below 10,000? I would question the ATC personnel,
Completely unacceptable. The pilot should not have to declare an emergency multiple times, when they are trying to juggle a million things. ATC needs to be reported to the FAA because this is insane.
To this day, I don’t fucking understand why American pilots don’t just say Mayday! Nowhere in the “ declaring an emergency” a correct way to get priority handling. Nowhere.
a bit strange, didn't the controller hear the pilot? She provided all the necessary information several times and they kept asking her for the same information...
It wasn't a door, it was a panel that was installed in the opening where a door could be installed if requested by the customer.
You are dead wrong. It was a decommissioned emergency exit plug door that was covered by a panel in the cabin to prevent anyone from operating the opener. The door was decommissioned, as it was not required in this airplane's seating configuration.
@@_Joy_Unleashed you are the one who is wrong. Because there was no need for the extra door, and the extra weight of the door, this plane was a brand new plane that was ordered from boeing without the door. So boeing installed a fuselage panel where the door would have gone.
Looking at the photos and the seating configuration this was a panel aft of the wing comprised of a fuselage panel without any components of an emergency door. Yikes, Boeing
...this is very concerning.
Portland ATC just embarrassed themselves and the entire industry. Must have been smoking some good stuff on break, wow.
Wonder why she didn’t report it as an explosion or similar. They had to have heard a huge bang with instant depressurization
To all those posters below who have rushed into an acephalic tizzy about the "egregious" performance of ATC, it would be worthwhile to reflect a bit before dashing out vest-pocket judgements:
It is *perfectly reasonable and quite normal* that they were asked the same questions repeatedly by *different ATC stations.* If one follows the *real time* ATC it is demonstrable that everything went pretty much as as it should have:
― 1. When the door blew out the pilots declared the emergency to *Seattle* ― they had already left *Portland Departure.*
― 2. Then they turned left and switched radio frequency to 118.1 *Portland Approach.* It is perfectly logical to inform the *new controller* of their predicament *once again.* It would be abysmally ridiculous to expect *Seattle* to first call *Portland Approach* to tell them: "Hey Portland Approach! I have this Alaska 1282, who wants to return to Portland..." Blah, blah, blah...
― 3. *Portland Approach* helped to guide them to line up and cleared for an ILS landing. As soon as they were *in final descent for landing,* Approach said "Good Night" and asked them to contact *Portland Tower* 123.7
― 4. They then spoke with *Portland Tower* and *again* reported the situation, and *again.* It is much more intelligent to have the pilot discuss the final phase of the landing *directly and again* with *Portland Tower* ...
The quality of the ATC in this video isn’t great. I heard another version from a different channel and everyone involved were quite responsive. The pilot only had to repeat her nature of emergency once, as she was transferred from Seattle to Portland. Portland wasn’t sure if she was a Mayday or simply needed to return.
I swear to god I am never sitting in an exit row for the rest of my life, this is just ridiculous, fix your freaking doors, Boeing
Portland ATC signed off with, "Have a good night." Do you really think these pilots had a good night after this terrifying episode?
Wtf Boeing? Always keep your seatbelt buckled. A “lap child” would have been sucked out. You aren’t allowed a “lap child” in a motor vehicle. Attention FAA - here’s another reason that lap children shouldn’t be allowed.
Jesus!! How many times does she have to repeat herself. ATC needs to freshen up on their emergency procedures
The control tower not asking repeatedly what was the issue and offering practical solutions in time... terrifying. What kind of people work there?
Sounded like whoever was the approach atc, that was the very first emergency aircraft of their career.
It could well be. I imagine there are a lot more ATCs than emergencies. They all got the job done though.
Question: when did the aircraft begin squawking 7700? I’m a little confused why it took so long for atc to get in the game here. I wouldn’t say that there was any wrongdoing, but maybe just a reminder to the controllers to step it up when you hear something about a plane depressurizing.
Brilliant job by the flight crew
So thats why i saw a big light on a aircraft on jan 5 outside
The buzzers and warnings were likely on and blaring, not off.
the NTSB says that the CVR was overwritten.... I'm wondering if they've got this recording.
Pilot did great. ATC dropped the ball big time, they're lucky they didn't get anyone hurt
Oh my god. What a horrible example of communication in emergency! The pilot had to repeat himself multiple times for them to react. I hope they learn from their mistakes, debrief and improve their handoff practices. Shame on them. I don’t feel safe trusting my life to the controllers.
Hope the Max 8 hasn’t got the same door plugs maybe they should inspect all the whole fleet worldwide?
The same type of Boeing that spontaneously fell from the sky in 2018/19 due to software errors that forced them to remain on the ground for a year. And now again hardware errors
That was max 8, this is max 9
@@liam3284 Yes 8 had software bugs chrashing planes, 9 falls apart in mid-air.
I guess ATC will have to explain this situation. This chanel shows there is still a lot to do in aviation safety. Starting with manufacturers of course.
Question: Isn't the standard emergency declaration supposed to be "Mayday"? Why didn't the pilot declare mayday instead of just saying they have an emergency?
Also, a thought, it seems like every time the aircraft got passed off to another controller, it was like they had to redeclare their emergency. I would think that, at the time the emergency is declared, all control elements should be immediately advised of such. But, from this and other recordings I've heard, it doesn't seem like this is normally done.
Pilot should have at least called out "Pan Pan Pan"
No Mayday is for imminent loss of aircraft. She called an Emergency which is correct. She could have called Pan Pan Pan as the other person commented. FWIW both words come from French - Mayday is "M'aidez" or "Help me" and Pan is from "panne" which means malfunction.
@@RasheedKhan-he6xx Mayday is for life threatening situations - this definitely qualifies.
@@RasheedKhan-he6xxBecause "Au secours" didn't sound sincere 😂
We don't use Pan Pan Pan in the land of the free. You either an emergency (god of the air and I can do whatever I want) or not.
Why does the video and posting say December 5th 2023 instead of January 5th 2024?
Jesus, is the ATC hard of hearing? LITERALLY right after pilot said depresaurisation the ATC asks what is the nature of emergency. And keeps asking for readbacks of things they JUST said!
ATC seriously dropped the ball on this. Although the pilot should have declared "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday" to get the attention of ATC better. Phraseology can definitely make a big difference in the attention given by ATC. I'm not too sure in this case because ATC didn't seem to be paying any attention to radio calls, but in a major emergency pilots should always declare an emergency using industry standard phraseology instead of doing whatever. Cabin depressurization definitely qualifies as a life threatening emergency so declaring "mayday, mayday, maday" would be the appropriate call to ATC. Even so, the lackluster initial response by the first ATC is beyond me. Paying attention is critical and has the potential to mean the difference of life and death. Amazing job by the pilots of Alaska Airlines getting everyone back on the ground quickly and safely. Definitely heros in my book. Any aviation accident that everyone walks away from unharmed (or relatively unharmed) is a good thing.
Terrible ATC "When able, say nature of emergency". It was the first few words after the pilot declared an emergency. >
Real ATC - It's not December 5, 2023. The correction should be January 5, 2024.
This just happened yesterday, January 5 2024, not December 2023
15 minutes of the emergency is repeating 25 times the souls on board and fuel.
why didn't they recognize the pilot had an emergency call immediately? this pilot is in trouble and they didn't recognize / catch the emergency call.
An Airbus airplane literally lands on an other plane and remains practically intact. Boeing airplanes disintegrate by themselves mid-flight. What happened to this company? It used to be the pinnacle of aviation.
as an american i'm extremely embarrassed
Reminds me of "the front fell off"
And don't forget the miracle on the Hudson. It was a 10 year old Airbus A320 that crash-landed in icy water at 140 mph. The plane remained perfectly intact and structurally sound. It remained afloat for a considerable amount of time, even with a rear door erroneously opened. 0 fatalities, all survived.
Maybe they just push planes out too soon without proper testing.
Jesus the ATC here needs to be reviewed desperately i know they did not alter the ATC that a piece was missing from the side of the plane but this is just unacceptable you can hear the panic in the pilots voice and she is the one making them get off their ass and do their job.
Word of caution, don't have an emergency aircraft out of PDX. ATC is clearly inexperienced. Where was the offer for equipment to be ready upon landing? What a joke.
kenedy steve would handle this in 30 seconds, what are these ATC controllers, i would be pissed if i needed to repeat myself 5 times, the pilot gave clear and concise comms.
The ATC are going to get a kicking for this..
that atc guy needs to keep his little mouth shut
ACME door doesn't work.
Wait, I thought it wasn't the door? Just a structural piece of fuselage.
It was a plugged door. There is a gap in the frame for the door but as the door is not required it's just plugged and sealed.
@@tomstravels520 i thought the doors were bolted on but swing out
@@chocolatecoveredgummybears no, you can’t even access the door from the inside as it was behind the cabin wall. It’s only required if cabin density requires it
@@tomstravels520 got it, ty
...you may want to re-edit that title card to read "January 5, 2024" rather than December 5, 2023...
Assuming it went ok then? Ended well?
yes, no significant injuries to any passengers
"what are your intentions" uh, my intention is to get this plane back on the f*cking ground.
¿December 5 2024?, no way, we are in January.
How many nails are in the FrankenMAX coffin?
I think soon we see the last one.
The ATC needs a lot of extended training, very unprofessional
ATC was dismal, seriously unhelpful. But why are US pilots not in the habit of saying ‘mayday, mayday’?
0:10 It's January 5th 2024, right?
Keen to know whether it is better to change seat or remain seated?
177 passengers is about max seating capacity on a 737 depending on configuration.
keep the seatbelt on
How many damned times does she have to tell them it's an emergency and that they depressurize? Or the number of “souls on board” and fuel remaining? Jesus Christ!
they said "good afternoon" during an emergency?
did they find the door?
Yes
dId YoU dEcLaRe An EmErGeNcY?
.....yes. why are you asking me this? Did the ATC next to you go for a coffee after i said it the first time?
Llueve las críticas contra el avión de Boeing 737max
What row is this plugged door? I need to know where not to sit!
I saw elsewhere someone stating it was row 26.
That controller is absolutely useless. Following a checklist or process instead of listening. Wow, then the next one is useless
Um... your date is off... this was Jan 5, 2024
How many more times did ATC need to hear the same bloody info? YGBSM