The Case Against Billy Mitchell's Donkey Kong
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- In this video, I try to enumerate the charges against Billy Mitchell, and establish a common ground for discussing the controversy.
You can find the original presentation here: docs.google.com/presentation/...
UPDATE Apr 12, 2018: As of this morning, TG removed all of Billy's scores, including non-DK ones, from their scoreboards.
UPDATE Mar 21, 2018: There's been some new information on this that's worth clarifying. The versions of MAME that produce the "girder finger" have now been verified as all versions prior to .122, depending on the refresh rate settings used. Additionally, Billy has admitted that the board swap video was staged as a stunt to promote Robert Childs' CZcams, and not as a verification mechanism. END UPDATE
CORRECTION: At some point in the video I describe the orientation of the 1.04M and 1.05M as incorrect. This point is overall correct, but my comments about it were not; they were not upright, but rather were simply rotated the wrong direction. They were essentially flipped 180* from what they should have been. END CORRECTION
I am not involved in the dispute! I only condensed the statements and arguments others have made. I'm happy to take corrections, but for specific and technical questions you are better off asking in the threads.
Donkey Kong Forum thread here: donkeykongforum.com/index.php?...
Twin Galaxies Dispute thread here: www.twingalaxies.com/showthre... - Hry
I added an update and correction to the video description, based on comments and recent new information. Doesn't change the value of any of the presented material, just helped to provide extra clarity.
Please for the love of God write a script. I don't need 2 and a half minutes of your life story before you actually talk about what I clicked the video for.
Watch out, Billy Bitchell might sue you too.
How about turning up you mic gain or speaking a bit louder. Your quieter than mouse fart in a hurricane.
Great video man fuck Billy if you get off faking your scores thats facking pathetic
@Officer Juicy - If only there was a way to skip forward!
The most important lesson that I've learned from all of this is that I'm not the most immature 50 year old man out there. yay!
hahahaha underrated comment
I'm your 100th like. I'm proud you hit this milestone!
Will Billy sue me if I point out his hair appears to be emulated too?
@@ShadowWizard123 it’s always epic when replies are better than the comment.
Yep I’m not a cheater at video games I’m just not very good at them
So basically MAME gave Billy Mitchell "the finger" and someone noticed after all these years.
Jesus man. He didn't cheat, this wasn't an emulator. I'm sick of you people destroying everyone's reputations! See Billy is so good he found a way to start the cabinet in second gear.
Thought you were a Billy fan till the last sentence, LOL
Billy Rogers
taechuK I tried imagining what that love child would look like. Now i have this image of a tiny 13 yr old 80's trope. Tiny molesters moustache with clumps of white powder constantly present just under the nostrils.
Same as Elliot. That sentence is pretty good.
life speed run 100% all collectibles (emulator)
18:16 "Record was witnessed by two TG judges, including Todd Rodgers" - pack it up guys, witness of someone as trustworthy as Todd means the records must be legit
@A D I was being sarcastic, Todd Rodgers is a well known record cheater himself.
@A D Np! Here's a video on this topic: czcams.com/video/8e-H4sEHB54/video.html
Also, the second judge was Todd Rodger's girlfriend (at the time).
Spill a drink for the dozens of gamers whose world record in Drag Race went unrecognized for 30 years because of Todd. 😭
@@ShadowWizard123 The game is called Dragster. Drag Race is a TV show run by RuPaul :P
I watched King of Kong again last night, and it all makes sense now, especially how he refused to compete against Steve Weibe in person. I really felt for Steve in that documentary but I'm glad he has beaten Mitchell now (his score has been beaten now but he's still the first million point player).
@@billmitchell3266 Billy, there's only so many liberties the film makers can make before the word documentary becomes synonymous bullshit. Steve never broke your 1982 arcade record and you weren't the record holder at the time. You had a duty to correct the film makers and you didn't. Now your a laughing stock synonymous with cheating.
@@billmitchell3266 Go home billy, your drunk and a cheat.
@@billmitchell3266 Someone is mad at the facts. Did you just ignore all of the actual proof in this video?
@@billmitchell3266 I have looked at the facts, and so has everyone else. It's been proven without a doubt that Mitchell is a worthless lying cheater
@@billymitchell7403 Why did Twin Galaxies rescind Mitchell's title? And Guinness is a notoriously shitty company that does not have any real integrity to speak of.
I remembering watching the King of Kong when it came out and thought how slimy Twin Galaxies acted. The invalidation of the challenge after inspecting the board on Steve Wiebe's game. It was obvious to all not only was win Galaxies was unable to point to what was amiss with Wiebe's machine but that they were doing all they could to protect Billy Mitchell and his record. This story warms my heart :). Who would want to even bother with Twin Galaxies as their reputation is and has been to not play it straight.
@Vinnie Provolone the craziest part about that was the simple fact that they ignored Steve’s wife’s instructions to wait for Steve to get home and basically let themselves in when it was just the grandmother home. They’re lucky that Steve is such a nice guy and clearly not the confrontational type. A lot of men, including myself, would never let something like that go unpunished. They literally trespassed and took his machine apart. Unreal.
@@dalesfailssagaofasuslord783 he was being sarcastic. He definitely cheated LOL
that was the craziest part with the whole thing. billy was part owner(basically it seems full financier) of TG at the time, yet they chose to portray the whole thing in a way of being an anti-advertisement for TG. all they had to do was to play fair or even nearly fair but no, instead decided to just piss in the bed.
The new owners are working hard to restore the company's reputation, and they deserve acknowledgement for that. They're even helping Karl Jobst with his lawsuit by providing him with evidence. Nowadays, most gaming communities are self-governed which works a lot better. High scores and speedruns are adjudicated by other high ranking gamers in the community for that particular game or franchise.
When TG had referees I asked about submitting a score on the Time Pilot arcade machine I had at the time. It was having issues with the sound not working. Other wise it played fine. I later found it was just a loose wire. Anyhow. I was told the video could not be submitted for evidence since the sound was not working for the machine. Always been curious how he could get by with a really bad quality video with no sound.
referees/judges are really inconsistant since their arnt any hard guidelines to me knowledge so its often up to the refs disgression
Because Billy bankrolls TG so they don't care about the rules for him
the human element of the rules,bois. it all makes sence
TWO OTHER THINGS: a guy named Chris Ayer submitted a tape that magically jumps from level 7 to 255 in PAC-Man and TG validates it. Why? Because Chris is best friends with Billly Mitchell the scumbag. (2) one of the TG referees was arrested for molesting children. So he had bad character (obviously) and oh yes he happily validated Billy Mitchell’s scores without true verification
TG is bad to the core
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@tan j maz I'm confused about your comment. if it's real and sincere then great .I cant tell if your serious or trying to portray sarcasm that no one can see. Good day
Probably should have underscored two important pieces of information: 1) That the "finger" appears consistently and reliably in Billy's recordings (dozens of times), and 2) that true arcade hardware has its own hallmarks which likewise will never appear in MAME, such as the fact that the transition frame features _five_ incomplete girders, 100% reliably.
Also the rotation issue with 1.04/1.05 is the fact that the footage was rotated 180 degrees, a result which no "direct feed" recording would ever produce, but which you _could_ accidentally get if you guessed wrong when telling MAME which direction to rotate the output for your bogus tape. As you note, this mistake was corrected with the 1.062M score.
And he show the entire world again on 2018 how he does the DK world record..he does it on live twitch tv in the arcade district..too bad those nerds wanna kill him because they don't fucking know the old arcade missing Memory after some points.
@@RetroGamesMas Getting a million points today, when everyone knows what strategies are needed to make it easy, is a completely different story from getting a million points back when almost nobody had done it. The real embarrassment here is that even after Billy Mitchell had the advantage of stealing Steve Weibe's new strategies, he still ultimately had to bust out MAME to secure the "world first million points in DK".
thanks for this
excellent job, this was really well presented. I saw the initial video on apollo's channel, and hadn't realized it had blown up so hard till this evening. So it's nice to see folks like yourself are already cataloging facts in a fair manner, rumor control and all that.
People seem to have no knowledge of how proof works. We have 100% PROOF that he used MAME we have NO proof that he actually did any of the scores. He is AT BEST a medum-skilled swindler, and a PROVEN 100% cheater. This is FACT and has nothing to do with "what people think". Of course his friends and employees will claim he didn't cheat but that DOES NOT MATTER, since he actually is a cheater and all his scores are fake.
There's no doubt he was a decent player at one time, but we know he's cheated in the submission of at least one game. That alone makes him worthwhile to be entirely forgotten.
It doesn't make a difference how beautiful your guess is. It doesn't matter how smart who made the guess is, or what his name is. If it disagrees with experiment *it is wrong.*
czcams.com/video/LIxvQMhttq4/video.html
Amazing how a game released in 1981 can be the source of so much scandal.
Right? Seriously odd people involved. And it's something pretty much no one on planet earth cares about.
This is really well put. I see the effort behind all of this. Thank you!
Yeah, the stuff that was done to people in the past (including myself and former Ref Patrick Scott Patterson, Ref David Nelson, Dwayne Richard, and so many others) who challenged Mitchell's scores or any of the "Legacy Scores", or evenTwin Galaxies' opinions on history itself, were ostracized, harassed, threatened with legal action, and even stalked and had projects sabotaged to the point that the projects became unsalvagable and had to be abandoned. There is a very visible pattern of negative and ruinous behavior coming from Mitchell and old TG icons against people who stood up to them or who just wanted to record concise and correct history and/or scores and honestly meant no one harm. But the "iconic crowd" gets very agitated when someone starts asking questions because, frankly, they have a lot to hide. The figurative closet is packed with skeletons, smoking guns and quid pro quo arrangements.
There's a video that shows Dwayne Richard being sabotaged by TG people at a showing of his 2012 documentary, the one that dared examine Mitchell's sketchy scores. Don't know if you've seen it but...prepare to be creeped out. Note Dwayne just stands there and takes it like he expected it. He'd seen them do this to others before, that's why. They adore publicly shaming and ostracizing people hence TGs hit piece on Apollo Legend that was full-on sanctioned by Mitchell's clique.
czcams.com/video/Z1VnkpX5W9Q/video.html
Too bad they suck at Twitter. And Facebook.
The pic they used on that Facebook page is like a blown up thumbnail.
Is this The King of Con you mentioned? czcams.com/video/uHeMUSo4SDg/video.html
Holy shit....how deep does this rabbit hole go....
Yes, I am the person who debunked that urban legend. I am also the person who was in the "War of the Worlds style" dramatic podcast with Ernie Cline, called The Polybius Conspiracy.
Cat DeSpira is this Dwayne Richard documentary on CZcams?
I think there's something WRONG with me. I LOVE these videos exposing cheaters.
savage1267
Nah, it's human nature to want cheaters exposed..
Nobody likes feeling cheated or exploited.
@@nahCmeR I do
research for the King of Kong sequel?
The board swap video started the dispute and was one of many pieces of evidence that led to this situation.
The first video is something that cannot be reconciled.
It was enough to start the dispute and get attention to it on TG. Wes Copeland said it showed the score wasn't done live.
This video helped me understand things i should have already known. It would have taken years before i would have realized many of the things that you have shown in this video, thank you.
No allegations of him pressuring for it to be accepted. As one of the people he did it to, I’ll flat out confirm it. And no, we did not get to view the footage before voting, and actual call to take it came from then-owner Pete Bouvier rather than the voting results.
Patrick Scott Patterson : I think I understand what you are saying..maybe? Are you saying video evidence of a high score is up to a vote in the end? No doubt in my mind Billy's a sheister but is there some sort of vote when a potential high score comes in that goes to the public?
What did Billy do to "you". What are you actually talking about?
He's saying Billy didn't 𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘨𝘪𝘥𝘭𝘺 pressure people into accepting his scores, he 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 did. He is saying Billy did this to him personally.
Kosmicd12 I think I kinda know what you are trying to say, but your verbage is very hard to understand.
Andrew McGiblets he is confirming that Billy pressured him to have high scores accepted into twin galaxies. Nobody used confusing verbage, so you might just be a derp.
John Fakename So he's a ref? Sorry I haven't yet googled OPs name to determine this, nor would I take a claim like that at face value. Even then, what's this voting shit about? There's some sorta vote that goes on at TG to authenticate a score?
And kosmic's attempt at describing the situation didn't hit the mark.
Billy's reputation has been MAMEd and destroyed 🤣
The fact that Billy Mitchell has probably watched this video like 10 times is hilarious.
Billy Finds it Offensive that you can only downvote a video once, he is putting pressure on youtube to allow unlimited Downvotes for himself.
Tattle Tail he's gonna sue CZcams because of it
I imagine him watching it over and over raging while his silicone tits wife consoles him rubbing his shoulders from behind
@@tattletail9720 I'm from the future, got bad news for Billy about the dislikes lol
This was a really well done, informative video. I would love to see more like it! Thanks man
Thanks for this!! Awesome job summarizing the situation!! :-)
When did this version come out? I looked it up and it seems like it came out much later
I wonder if TG vs Billy Mitchell will go to court, crazy how it's still going a year later
Get the popcorn, this is going to be fun
Well, guess he now got reinstated. :(
@@thomastommy9864 Billy did nothing you guys are just as bad as the people who get mad when an accused rapist is innocent xD
Did he :)
@@BoboSupreme what does that even mean? I sense sarcasm but not sure. Billy’s a total tool and a con.
Anyone still laughing at this almost 3 years later?
Hard to believe anyone still thinks he didn't cheat but some do.
The sad thing is, he MIGHT be another case of someone who might be close to being the best, but wanted the accolades and cheated just enough to prove what he /should/ be capable of in his mind.
Those scores might even be his legit scores but just in MAME.
His dishonesty though, as well as his continual need to sue people for defamation and whatnot, make it hard to care even if he was almost that good.
As we say in my group of friends: You ain't gotta lie to kick it homie.
If he owned his BS he might still have recognized scores for MAME.
He’s a narcissistic dickhead
@@iamanidiotbut5523 yes, thank you tldr bot, for taking the poetry out of the response
That's precisely why he is one infinitesimally small step above Todd Rogers (who hasn't even touched half the games he claimed to have a world record on) in my books. Still a douche nonetheless.
>Those scores might even be his legit scores but just in MAME.
It probably wasn't if you look at the evidence of the luck of the run at around 13 minutes into this video. Billy's run is the most luck-based score of all time, even beating runs that restarted the first level over and over until they have a good result. This is likely a result of splicing, he just played each level until he gets a really good pace and then saves and loads, and repeat. This would bias the RNG since you're only keeping good results and would have the effect of generating one o the most "lucky" runs of all time, which is what Billy had.
From what I remember in other videos speaking about him, people who have witnessed Billy play in public settings have stated that basically he was average or above average. And something about how he was nowhere near hitting his high score or even close to it almost the full weekends of the conventions or wherever it was. And it wasn't until the last day that he did semi well.
Vet this to double check finer details and info. But I know I am close to what was said .
If you've been paying attention to this, I don't know how you could not believe that Billy is a cheater. Nothing he does seems genuine. Everything about him seems fake and designed with smoke and mirrors. His whole persona doesn't ring true. It's unsettling.
Even without all these wonderful facts from the tireless efforts of so many, even without those facts and video proof, if someone were to just mention it to me in passing, I could easily believe it. There's something about him that disturbs me on a gut, instinctual level. I know all you people must see what I mean and feel it too.He's got the personality of a used car salesman.
FaceRip
I think the words you're looking for to describe him are: Slimeball Douchebag...
FUN FACT: he does this again on 2018 on live twitch tv..and show the world how he was really the original king of dk..fucking nerds who don't even know how the older machine works when they get off because of the memory losing after some points.
Its simple, Billy honest to god thinks he is the smartest man on the planet.
One thing is absolutely true, he IS a very good donkey kong and pac man player, its not like he cant play video games at all
BUT, the other thing is also very true and even more true, he also cheats to obtain the highest score, because it means that much to him, i understand it, i dont accept or condone it, but he absolutely cheats, theres just no doubt about that
@@RetroGamesMas give it up Billy
@@dan7291able lol
Excellent presentation and balanced reporting. Thank you for this.
Did He start in 2nd gear?
Just imagine if the event was captured with a gameboycamera,then it would,ve beenreally really hard to analize the footage of frame transitions,and the high score ,hahaha
I worked with Roy for years, funny guy. I had no idea when I worked with him that he was a former Missile Command world record holder, I found out all this many years later. Here's to you Mr. Awesome!
really? his obscene trans am wasnt a clue lol.
thats an awesome story man.
mr awesome rocks.
Amazing. Great coverage of the facts.
I love the Shining Wisdom soundtrack near the beginning. First time I've ever found someone using that soundtrack out in the wild. Super underrated game!
Why do so many Gen Y's on dismiss these classics as being not important. It's like it was before my time so it has no significance... This self importance gets right up my nose. No it isn't the latest and greatest, no they weren't the greatest games ever made, but they have a significant place in history. Just like the Model T Ford, it wasn't the first car by a long shot, and there was nothing particularly cutting edge about it, but it deserves its place in history because it represented a pivotal change in automotive thinking. Show a little respect to the games that made your current games possible.
It leaks into other things as well. "I don't like or understand Thing so Thing must be irrelevant".
Exactly.
Actually DK Arcade is the greatest arcade game ever made, and it introduced legendary characters Mario, Donkey Kong, and the concept of jumping around on a platform I.e. ‘platforming’
Bring back flint knapping!
I don't really care at all about speed running, or record setting in games I just play them for fun, but god damn the Billy Mitchell's drama/scandal is so juicy. Good video btw.
The power of social media.
I bet they didn’t account for back in 2007.
I don't understand why this took so many years to uncover.
The lack of interlacing is beyond merely suspiscious. It would have taken advanced deinterlacing and synchronization to do that and do it well in that timeframe. But when it comes to fast character motion in a video game to do it from interlaced to deinterlaced and avoid comb artifacts even if you do deinterlace is a significant challenge beyond available affordable hardware of the era (and of course requires direct video feed). The machine literally cannot produce the pixels that Billy presented, but MAME can :-/
Where do you get your ROMS from?
20:20 Of course it was staged. “I’m switching it out and putting in a Donkey King Jr board. And in goes the Donkey Kong Jr board. Now we have a Donkey Kong Jr board. Did I mention it’s Donkey Kong Jr in there now?” Better acting in The Room.
What about the recent claim of the impossibility due to the MAME version with the finger not existing yet? There was some kind of TG & Billy Mitchell press conference where that versioning issue was brought up - I saw via George Riley's channel.
Hello Jonathan, I addressed that in the edits. Basically, every version of MAME going back to even 2001 produces the finger when you adjust the video refresh rate to more closely match the original hardware timing. In fact, this is likely the reason the finger shows up at all in MAME .116 and up - that was the first time the MAME developers updated the default refresh rate when playing DK. Alternatively, it also shows up when processing speed is adjusted to 99%, which MAME would do automatically in some cases. Either way, the argument that the earlier versions couldn't have produced it do not hold up.
Sorry Omni! I must have missed that. Appreciate the clarification.
He is now removed from Twin Galaxies lmao
@Vinnie Provolone He has packets of evidence, but he only needs 1 bit of evidence to fix it, he has to prove that an original donkey kong arcade cabinet can produce the same loading of a level that a mame cabinet can, which it can't. His evidence packets don't mean anything. They're just a waste of time.
He is now back on Twin Galaxies scoreboard, even though he will always be deemed a cheater.
Is there a reason you didn't show the GIF of real hardware building the levels from the sides inward? I think that helps to show that the differences are not subtle.
The simple answer is that I cut it in the interest of making the whole presentation shorter. You're right that a real direct feed is starkly different from any of the versions of MAME, but if you get too stuck on certain parts of that explanation you can fall into traps. The "girder finger" is the clearest and most straightforward indication that many of the folks in the thread point to as a clear sign of very specific MAME versions, so that's why I focused on it.
Ah, okay. Billy seems like the kind of guy who is going to keep up this charade to the very end. He'd be a lot better off coming clean and trying to put this behind him. I'm sure a lot of people associated with TG are sitting on damaging info and he's going to end up alone once it all comes out.
Hahahahaha XD...
All the hardcore 80's cheaters never took into account the advances in tech to finally catch them out.
Serves them all right.
Cheater culture fueled by ego brought down.
Absolutely!! I love how they're getting caught in ways they never expected and in some ways dont even understand. It's hilarious when they're presented with "not humanly possible" and they just dont give up
@@rhetrochips9471 fun fact... He does it on live twitch tv in the arcade district..and show the entire world that he is the original dk world champion. Check it on youtube 2018.
Thanks for working so hard on this stuff, and the Todd related stuff too. It's good to see the Old Boy's Club that is TG finally getting called out, and it's hilarious watching the cultlike behaviour of those who defend them no matter what.
rhaeven
Cultlike behaviour = _Dick Riders_ ..
I think my favorite part is reading these old guard defending posts on the dispute threads. Always these massive horribly formatted walls of text with bizarre attempts at humor and sarcasm. Like if you're going to be a super-nerd, a guy above 40 who spends more than two hours a day involved in video games I'd expect you to present yourself really well online. It's a weird combination of alzheimers, long periods of zero socialization and being all over the spectrum.
how game draws first screen etc does it effect gameplay make it easyer or harder?
Nope but Mame has save states and other tools that would make it easier to cheat
@@VGPorage but wouldnt that be seen when you look at video and when it shows edits like they caught speed runners in mario64
@@Bangbangetc Would not be that hard to edit together something that looks legit considering that his video conveniently has no audio. Wich I think should have disqualify it as a submission but due to special treatment they let it slide.
How anyone could believe for just one second that his achievements are legit, is beyond me.
100% , its not complicated, when theres smoke, there IS usually fire.
I'm still not entirely sure why it matters if the record was on MAME or real hardware. I don't like Mitchell much though...
@@davidlloyd1526 mame makes cheating easily possible, and the fact that he denies it, makes it all the more suspicious that he cheated.
@davidlloyd1526 mame roms can be reprogrammed, so he could program levels into sequences he pre practices on and have them produce more score producing items. Billy's gameplay has been shown to have a highly unlikely number of blue barrels and hammers.
The Big BM carries himself like an arrogant douche-bag. In the past he's made great efforts to have TG not accept other player's scores by making accusations about rules/regulations. The guy has no sense of modesty and it's pretty apparent he's got something going on with TG to have them defend him like no other player they could/would have defended in the past. Had Michell carried himself with some class, grace, or simple respect...probably none of this would probably ever happened.
Wait, videos like this are supposed to have disclaimers about credit? I never knew!
That's the slander TG is spreading about Apollo right now on their site.
Omni wants to cut that off at the pass.
Yep. The Twin Galaxies article announcing Billy Mitchell's suit against Apollo Legend attacked Apollo due to the fact that he did none of the research against Mitchell or Todd Rodgers. So Omnigamer pretty much had to put that disclaimer there to eliminate that excuse.
Which makes me wonder what they're going to come up with to attack Omnigamer.
Randomly interesting vid. Good work!
Great video. When you say that a statistical analysis shows a low likelihood (regarding the barrel smashes), do you mind showing that analysis? Did you do an ANOVA or t-test or something? Just upon looking at the number 1 score (Wes Copeland), it seems that Billy isn't much higher than him in those areas. 380 vs 371. I doubt that you can find a statistical model that won't write that off as natural variation.
The main analysis of those aspects took place on Donkey Kong Forums. That thread is a much more manageable size, so I'd suggest looking through the last few pages there for more details on the statistical analyses.
That said, I think the total number you reference is less important than the concentration of smashes across the individual stages. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say for sure, but the relative low number of Barrel stage smashes is likely a difference in strategy between the older scorers and newer scorers. It appears much better if you start comparing it against only Tim's score and below. In any case, the key piece of luck is winding up in a good part of the smash distribution for each stage. Each one in isolation is merely unusual; all of them happening in a single run are miraculous.
For what it's worth, the chart was originally made by Wes, and his run did receive the same scrutiny. I don't remember where it was in the thread, but if I remember right Wes's run was in the 62nd-percentile by overall likelihood - pretty good luck, but nothing outlandish. By the same metrics, Billy's smash rates were higher than 99th-percentile. Again, you're better off hunting down those original posts if you want more information about the methodology.
@@isocubesoftware2713he did. Those are wes' numbers. He concluded Billy's numbers were insanely suspicious based on his own.
The thing is that you're comparing it to the highest known score, which was likely already very lucky, and probably required a lot of attempts to get.
Excellent summary!
Thanks for the clarification. Really helpful
This was well put together thank you. It is quite compelling evidence. Billy Mitchell is undoubtedly an excellent Pac-Man player and this seemingly avoidable controversy is a real shame IMO.
He was a good gamer. NOT the best. Not even close. THAT is the problem with Bitchell.
The music is really distracting.
One funny point you got wrong -- but dont worry, it doesnt affect the legitamacy of your breakdown -- is that they didnt swap the dk jr board with another dk jr board, they swapped it with itself! Thats right, its almost like they wanted to get caught. Took out the dk jr board, put it down, then picked up the exact same board, put it in, and claimed that the board was swapped for a dk board.
william rosa
Ikr, how did they expect to get away with that, especially with the over-the-top acting included!!
I had something to that effect written out in my presenter notes, but I tend to wing it when presenting, so it didn't quite make it into the soundtrack. Either way, you're right, doesn't change the end fact that some shenanigans were afoot!
I legit worry about making any comments on Billy Mitchell because I do not want to get sued.
It's never difficult to capture audio off of a game. Hook up jumper leads to the terminals on the speaker, use a potentiometer to lower the voltage if necessary, and record.
I don't disagree with that assessment, but what I state in the video is simply what was claimed in the thread.
I understand, I was debunking their assertion. I agree with you, but I thought I'd mention an explanation for why it wouldn't be difficult.
Personally I think its pretty obvious he used MAME, and the only reason to lie about using it is because he used save states or something else to cheat his score.
I realize its been 4 years, but it occurs to me that the original cabinet joystick is a bit weird, one advantage of MAME is to use better joysticks etc. You could also mess with the ROM and make certain higher scoring events happen more frequently.
@@jboy55the frequency of his scoring events has been analysed and is normal. You're probably right about save states though. It was always heavily rumoured.
Did you record this in a Mexican restaurant?
Thanks for the great video!!!
Summary: Billy fuggin cheated.
Duke Togo - Pitchokey666 You get a thumbs up just for Golgo 13.
he does it on 2018..He stays again as the king of donkey kong..and all the issues and millions dollars demand..crashed!..Uff this man goes insane because his life will be nuked..but this day he does it ORIGINALY...i don't know how much time he spent to do it in true!
You really need to turn up the volume, I have to crank my speakers way too high to hear you talk.
Ive got the same problem. Watching on a phone, volume on max
that is sad but you are right.
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Thank you. Learnd about him today. But everyone else thinks that the origin is known?!
Around 16:00-16:30, I felt like continuing my game of Dragon Quest Warriors for some reason. I wondered why but didn't think much of it. Then I turned up the volume of this video and concentrated on the BG music. Ah!!
I had my expert buddy watch this. He thinks and agrees about your point #3 I believe. He said you could definitely redo over n over a level to either perfect the run or max the score for that level. Well done video sir!!!
Did you get sued?
Very nice presentation!
Wasn't there evidence of splicing on one of the tapes?
great video. after watching him play more games than anyone else at kong off 6, i have high doubts he's gotten those million point games. 9 years ago, i'd doubt it even more before the new crop of players have advanced point pressing. i'd almost call his 800k score this weekend, a bit lucky, to be honest.
Scott Snyder
Yeah, he doesn't have the skill to get a million points or more, that's why he cheated..
For the last mame comparison Billy's screen looks like a computer screen and not an arcade cabinet you can tell by the edge.
Very detailed, but why doesn’t he go into Joy stick colour?
If his claim is that they aren't his tapes, then the scores should be removed anyways?
billys claiming he got those scores, but the person getting the score in the tapes isnt his game
We need to get roy shildt involved. His best line talking about billy mitchell "Everytime mitchell opens up his checkbook their(twin galaxies) legs start to tremble." LOLOL omg
MafFilms
That dude is pretty crazy, but has been right about Mitchell the whole time..
11:45 Chris Gleed Direct Feed (Formerly Chuck's)
I have no clue about this and I don't really care but was billy's footage shot at the same framerate the crt and the direct feed has?
otherwise you can't compare those two, since if the direct feed has more FPS than the camera that shot the CRT and the CRT
has a different FPS than the camera, it will never look the same
The loading is not affected by the frame rate. You can clearly see name artifacts in all the footage. The only one affected by FPS variation - the cameras recording the CRT - would jsut show more of the mame artifacts. It wouldn't make any other difference.
And "rolling shutter effect" is addressed in the video.
Gotta say, I love the dragon quest music playing in the background around 15:20-17:15. I listened to this first years ago and didnt pick up on it.
Billy also said the swap was staged
just a question,Billy win a lot of money because of this so my question is: the other guy on the movie can sue because of this?
17:28 "The 1.04 and 1.05 were rotated right-side up so that they could be shown on a TV that didn't have to be turned on its side" this is seemingly contradicted by King of Kong where we see the 1.04M score played on a TV at funspot and the TV is sideways. Not sure where the confusion lies but maybe that's based on a different tape.
did you make this video in a mexican restaurant?
I used this video to fall asleep. It actually worked. Thank you
Ok but ballad of the goddess playing in the background was nice I liked that in this video
Simple:
1. When were Billy's scores 'recorded'
2. When were Todd's falsified scores recorded.
If Todd's cheated before the recording date then it's likely that in the TG rules there's something that invalidates his ref status at the time thus making Billy's submissions invalid.
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TG , like the police, always cover their backs and 'look after their own', so they would make some excuse and cover it up..
Billy = Busted
Nicely put together video, I liked it then went to your channel to check what else you have... saw Suikoden II speedrun and instantly pressed Subscribe :D
erlendht
Omnigamer also helped expose Todd Rogers as a cheater & liar..
What pisses me off most of all is not just Billy being a cheat, but the added utter corruption of Twin Galaxies.
I feel like game design courses should use this video among possible others in a segment on potential cheating, at least to help create awareness. I say this because things like speedrunning and unorthodox ways of playing (looking at you, Let’s Game It Out) have become more popular and a way for players and game developers to truly see a game’s limits and loopholes in practice. Cheaters tend to make everyone look bad.
Enjoyed the Dragon Quest battle music.
Nice video BTW that. It is good to see someone just present the evidence not stamp what they think happened on top of everything.
12:54 Not sure how they came to the conclusion he would have had to have a lot of luck, when the top score got 200,000 points more, but Billy only got 6000 more in smashing barrels. In order to get the high score and the barrels to be close he would have to finish the levels fast and got more stuff during the level. The maths don't make sense when you think about it.
A Movie on his life would be interesting.
billy mitchell is suing Apollo Legend for exposing the truth. If (and when) he loses his lawsuit Twin galaxies should be required to remove his previous scores from their records. Steve Wiebe may not hold the high score, but he rightfully deserves to be credited as the first player to break one million points in donkey kong.
Spot on! Mitchell stripped of his fraudulent scores and banned from competitive gaming, Wiebe recognized as DK's first player to score 1M. What a great day, April 12th, 2018!
I'm sure people have already mentioned this, but the previous versions of MAME going all the way back to at least 0.56 can also display the 'finger' on the 3-girder transitions. This can be done one of two ways. The most simple is activating cheats and setting CPU0 to 99%. The other way started in version 0.85 which is to enable cheats and set the refresh rate to 60.6Hz, which would later become the default rate in 0.116, which is why we see the finger show up by default in that version.
Right, that information wasn't available when the video was made. I added it to the description when it came out. Thanks!
Cool. One other correction you might want to add is that the 1.047 and 1.05 million recordings have been provided by TG in their entirety from Greg Erway's DVD copies. I downloaded the 1.047 video and did a census of the girder transitions. Now as you know, the tape was recorded at 30fps, and therefore misses half the frames of the 60fps output of the direct feed. As such, the footage randomly lands on either an 'odd' frame or 'even' frame. My census of the tape resulted in a count of 31 'finger' girders out of 58 total transitions in the video. The remaining 27 transitions fell on the next frame due to the 30fps frame rate. This is perfectly consistent with the ENTIRE recording having been taken from MAME gameplay, since logically you should expect to see about 50% 'finger' transitions appearing in such a long video.
yo dat evil zone background track
"It's not my video but it looks like that because of the video capture equipment we used when we made the video, the video that's not mine"
Best video on this subject
This "finger" evidence is hard to argue. 9:15