2024 Landcruiser 2.8l Auto TOWING TEST vs the V8 70 series
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- Battle of the new vs the old
The 4WD PODCAST Towing episode: • The Ultimate 2.8L 76 S...
0:00 intro
1:03 the TOW test Route
2:06 2.8l vs V8 Uphill towing
6:34 Down hill Control
7:29 2.8l auto HAUL MODE
9:04 Stopping with 2.9t
9:53 FUEL CONSUMPSION
12:15 Performance
13:50 The Reversing downgrade
15:07 SUMMARY
16:01 33 INCH TYRES and PODCAST
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Well, you convinced me Ronny: I'm gonna install the 1.5L 3-cylinder from the Yaris into my 200 series!!!!
The turbo Yaris GR 3cyl actually makes 200kw so would actually pull that van up the hill faster lol, as long as you are happy to sit of 6000rpm though
The modern world is full of people lacking education, knowledge, practical skills, and even common sense, and all of them desperately need Ronny as a leader.
@@felixtimlock - One in the front, Another in the back... Unstoppable, lol
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Put the 76’s wheels on the 79 and try again.
Yes, my thoughts as well.
And see if they can get hold of an auto v8 to throw into the mix.
Here come the excuses already! Bye bye V8!
Completely agree, far from an apples for apples comparison
100%
Looks like the lady’s landcruiser for the win…. The old dinosaur still sounds better most well tuned v8’s would eat that climb with cruise control activated towing heavier vans.
Car Tare weights and tyres all play into it
Stock 1HZ troopy , i would be enjoying the scenery in 1st gear going up the hill .
stock 3l hilux, I'll be lucky to even make it up the hill 😂
@@rushilramjing9707 Imagine if i had to tow something with the 1HZ .
Oh mate I have towed 3T up that hill with a 1hz 😂
Every bit as painful as you can imagine
@@666DarDar I once tried to pass a rubbish truck uphill , that was picking up rubbish at the time .
Stock 1HZ that's luxury try 2H your going to need a packed lunch
Bring back the 1HD-FTE
The Americans may have the crazy off roaders and stuff...but its the Assuies with the real life practical approach that really gets me! Go Aussies !
If you get it wrong in Oz you're dead.
What a revelation, love Harry's love of the 76. Will be interesting to see what happens once the 76 has been fitted out.
Keep up the awesome work
I have tuned 2020 troopy, l get 10.2L/100km empty on highway driving, have pulled my 19ft duel axle Winnebago caravan (sitting on 90kph ish) 15.5L/100km. And run 225/95r16 Dunlops. Great test guys, very informative!! Well done, thank you👍
Would love to see this test again with both vehicles weighing the same as well as running the same size tyres.
Well said!! 😊
Very well said, I still think the extra weight, tyres and even age of the 79 play a bigger part in this test. The new 76 is impresive but not an even comparison I think. Time will tell.
@@MrZard107the age has nothing to do with it mate.Seriously. Who’s buys a 79 to run 32 inch tyres also.Keep it real guys.
Both in stock form as well? Does the fact the 79 is tuned not level the field with the weight and tyres?
The only real way of getting a true comparison is with both running the same size tyres and both loaded with accessories and gear. It you buy for example a new 2.8 troop carrier it is stock much heavier than the 76. As a touring or off Road vehicle they should both run 35 inch tyres. It would be interesting also to see how a tuned 2.8 is and can you tune it without effecting the longevity of the engine. I think IMO this test is comparing apples to oranges. Time will tell.
Just with the fuel consumptions, when I got my 79 series brand new on 31's, I got 1250km to a 130L tank, on 35's I now get 700-750 km's to the tank, would be interesting to see the towing and driving fuel comparisons on 31's, awesome work though Ronnie keep it up!
Yeah, an even better test would be to see what these 35’s do to a vehicle. Did it once. Won’t again. It’s a heavy price to pay for looking good.
Well for starters each rotation of the wheel will propel you 15% further with the 35's, so your 750km on the odo is actually closer to 900 real world kilometers. Then take into account the extra mass, rolling resistance and width and there it's no wonder your economy dropped so much.
The best setup is stock split rims and skinny tyres. They out perform large fat tyres in all departments other than stopping and arctic driving. Bonus is that you don't need as many spares. Instead of taking 2 spares, just take 1 rim, 2 carcases and some tubes.
@@chats5957 the stock pizza cutter rim and 7.50 tyre combo is actually heavier and sucks more fuel...we usually replace them with lightweight steel/alloy rims and 32" tyres and keep as spares.
Agree with the skinnier tyres. I’m trying to source some at the moment and it’s pretty limited. Problem with splits is you can only air down so much before you spin on the rim and then you are done. Shredded tubes, the lot. I was on splits until I got back to beach driving
The 76 is also un-tuned. It'll be like driving a completely new car once tuned. So yeah, tune and 35s would be interesting.
As other people have mentioned, I’d truly like to see you do the test again with the same size wheels. I’ve never been a fan of the VDJ but I don’t think it was a fair test. Still enjoyed it though 👍👍👍
To be fair, both should be factory standard…
You'd have to detune the v8 to make it fair
There is a large part of me that even if the new one did a wheelie
I would still prefer the sound and shifting a manual gearbox of the V8
For me part of the experience is fun factor.
That's why we still drive our old 45 daily all summer I guess.....
Fantastic test with amazing good results for the 2.8 auto. Of course tire size gonna change a lot but it will be still better.
Good job 🤠👍
Got 1 on order in South Africa!! Your Honest Content is the best! WELLDONE Ronny
Congrats budd! i watched this driving a jeep grand cherokee v6 3.6liter :D in South Africa. Still keeping her haha.
It would have been good to put the two rigs on a weighbridge to see the total GCM. The bigger wheels and accessories do make a big difference. On a recent FB post on the Paj Sport page, people were saying their raised PJs with bigger wheels, a bull bar and roof rack where getting 13l to 17l per 100km. I average 8l per 100km on stock.
I enjoyed my v8 76 for the 8 years I had it. I'm also glad I sold it last year for the same price I bought it. These new 2.8's are on my list to try along with the upcoming new Prado 250. If the Prdo comes out with the petrol hybrid, I won't buy the diesel.
woo it keeps money well as been hidden under the bed.
This is gold I can see alot more v8 79s on the market now 😂
Yeah they all should buy Y62 patrols
Great test, wouldve been good to add Harry's Prado in the test. Im upgrading from 2.8 Prado to a new 2.8 Troopy in a few days. An interesting scenario if you bought a new Troopy instead of the 76 and then had to decide which Troopy to keep. Cheers
Did you say upgrade?
@@corporalpunishment1133
Well, it’ll have a roomy rear, but worse in every other way 😊
Great video Ronny, noticed that the EGT value for the 2.8L you had on the Scangauge showed 600 degrees on B1S3 which would be the EGT sensor after the DPF suggesting it may have been doing a DPF burn.
Mine pulls 520 not towing.. it wouldnt have been burning
That’s how hot the thing runs!😅😅😅
Impressed me. Longevity for the 2.8. Only time will tell. More testing required. So far a good surprise
600 degree egt's wont help with that
i would be waiting 18mth more to see hidden issues before considering a buy@@markkarabatich3151
The 2.8 isn't a new engine. It has been around in one form or another since 2015. How much longer will tell 🤣?
Great vids Ronnie. Just bought a 2019 Hilux - my first off road capable and your vids have been a solid reference point.
This is why the Prado rocks! It’s more comfortable than either of these, drives better, has a heap more features, costs less, and makes a great shopping cart.
Prado would be great with a V6. As it stands they are over priced and under powered.
Absolutely agree. I have a 2023 Prado 150 series, 2.8 diesel, absolutely brilliant vehicle, heaps of power, nicely refined, with plenty of tech, but not over the top and great for any situation.
@@Johnno1979 I would have to disagree, they have more than enough power. The older ones I am not sure about, but the latest 2023 diesel model that I have is more than powerful enough. In a straight line it will actually out accelerate by BMW 116i by a large margin. The above towing test obviously proves this point nicely. Here in Japan it is also very mountainous with very steep hills, in top gear I can just put my foot down and it will accelerate strongly and increase speed. I am not just saying this because I have one, I am stating actual usage facts.
@@Johnno1979 my old fellas got a new prado as a work car and i drive it here and there, they've got more than enough power, can tow about as much as you would with them comfortably.
The Solid front axle stills win
Reliability aside, I have never been convinced with the V8 especially given that you need to spend a bucket load of $ to bring it up to standard. Awesome test fellas.
Still doesn't get it to standard. 😂😂
What standard are you referring to? you are taking a vehicle designed and built to survive in harsh conditions and comparing it to most of the softer option dual cab utes. The 70 is perfect for its original design brief, you only "have to spend buckets of money" on them if you want to try and turn it onto something else they weren't built to be.
@@GanGoz exactly, never see a stock 70s on the road, there all jacked like a monster truck with 35 inch tyres
@@GanGoz have to spend buckets of money on the car, then to make it drivable and reliable spend more and delete the egr/dpf emissions systems
The V8 has always been a heap of shit. The straight 6's were superior.
Awesome content as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
Gr8 video guys. Love it.
My Disco 3 tuned 2.7tdi burns 10.6lt/100 towing 2.3tn off-road van. Good old lion v6.
Impressive results on the 76.
This could have been an excellent test.. ...if both the vehicles had the same tires and the same weight considering all the mods. That's why you see a flood of comments saying it's skewed and not a valid test. Also people are going to suspect endlessly that there is something wrong with the V8 and its tune-up... Did you dyna-test the V8? Should have mentioned that, and the exact numbers you had on the dyno.. Would love a rematch when 76 gets EXACTLY the same tires and the same weight.
Showed a unichip, not as good as a remap
I had a 07 3 litre common rail patrol (the grenade) in 2010 & 11 towed a 20 ft van around Aus , the patrol also had a full ARB roof rack with useful junk up top.
It was a bit gutless if you didn’t get the revs/ gear change right on steep inclines but it matched the latest 2.8 70series for fuel economy both loaded & towing..
Great tug that one👍
It is so interesting to read about the 1-to-1 comparison between the V8 and the 4 cylinder! I own since a couple of months (Sep 23) a 150er/Prado with the same 2.8 diesel automatic, one of the last of the old series which have left the factory before the production line has been modified to built the 250er. What is interesting and you guys in Australia don't know is: Here is Switzerland you can purchase a factory (importer) option of 230 HP / 600 Nm which does not affect the 10 years warranty we get here on Toyota's. The kit is sophisticated (not just a dongle which fakes signals to the engine control) and developed by a company in Germany called J-Sports. They are related to Toyota and supported over the years motorsport activities of Toyota. You should consider to get one of the kits shipped and installed! See how you like the 600 Nm!
I have not towed anything yet with my Prado but it is totally effortless driving in the mountains...
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Toque multiplication from that the toque converter is making a big difference
This & the different gears, 1st comment i've seen that addresses the issues. If a stock v8 had the same auto it would be a world of difference, never mind a tuned v8.
It would be good to see a stock 2024 8 cylinder 76 and a stock 2024 4 cylinder 76 being tested after they have both been run in, in all manner of driving conditions e.g. sand, rocks, towing, load carrying, and comparing them on performance e.g. fuel consumption, NVH, ride, handling, braking, acceleration etc. So people can decide what’s best for them when buying new.
The 2024 76 series is 4 cylinder only.
Considering you won’t be able to buy a new V8 70 series, it makes little difference.
Toyota quietly cut the order books last year and are only building V8’s for those existing orders.
They are not reopening V8 order books.
Any stock of V8’s that dealers get, will be order the dealership had or will be orders they talked buyers out of their 1VD order and into a 1GD, then the dealership kept the allocation themselves for selling as a very exclusive offering, with price to match.
Toyota isn’t going to invest anything into making the 1VD pass the forthcoming Euro 6d regulations by the end of 2025, so they won’t be taking orders that they won’t be able to fulfil before the end of 2025.
It’s pointless suggesting the test should be perfectly comparable to inform choice when the choice is an illusion.
Toyota are dragging thirsty bois along by the leash by not coming out and saying they aren’t taking any more V8 orders, but that’s how it is.
Very impressive Toyota and Ronny for the excellent content/ comparison
I have a 2023 2.8l Fortuner and had it tuned for towing and it gained 22% in power and torque and I'm also getting better fuel economy. It would be interesting to see that test done again with a tune in the 2.8
It would've been a better comparison using two stock 76s.
Thanks for sharing.
I'll keep my V8 and manual box.
Yeah if they were both auto so v8 vs 4 that would be perfect
Put the same size tyres on both and test again towing up hills. I own a 79 in NZ and wish they came out here in an auto
I love your work Ronny Dahl !👍
I've had a 2016 Toyota hilux for a while now and I've stood by the 2.8 being a great motor, everyone hates on it but don't realize just how far Toyota is pushing the 4cyl platform, with the auto being well tuned from factory a mod i would recommend for the ac60f transmission is a Lockup kit, when gearing down and locked up you get fantastic engine breaking out of that drive line.
most 70 series owner fall into a mind set that a v8 is the only way, yet look in the heavy diesel applications 4 and 6 cylinder engine dominate the market for a reason, power, size, weight and efficiency. I believe Toyota has taken a great step towards keeping diesels relevant in today's EV and petrol markets.
hope you read this ronny, im a fan of your real world testing, almost want to do some of my own to see how it compares to a modified and heavily weighted Hilux.
That was a bit unfair.
Ronny has torque robing 35s on the 79 and probably weighs 600Kg more empty.
I know for a fact the 79 4.5L tuned vs 79 2.8L with same tires and mass are very similar for fuel and performance.
Over a long run of appox 600km. 4.5L was around 11.9 L/100 and the 2.8L was 11.5 L/100 empty with same tires.(Drivers were different. One may have heavier foot. Both left at same time and arrived with in 2 min of each other. Having driven through Melbourne on weekend.)
Also have a Auto 79 V8 tuned 2015 pre DPF JMAX4495. It is light years ahead of the of a V8 manual. But can not really compare it fairly. As it weighs 3300kg empty. So gets 13.7L/100 on the highway on 33's. Normally its used 15L/100 when weighing 4450kg. But flogs my manual by 3 seconds on a 0-100km time.
I thought you were about to cry Ronny Don't worry mate I have a 1HZ 79 oh wot a feeling
awesome vid Ronny, i would like both cruisers to go on a weigh bridge to get the total weight of each rig with the van and also weigh each cruiser without the van
Love these videos. I travel africa year round and it’s Toyota everywhere, 70 series, Prados, hilux, land cruisers…. but I never see any towing being done. It just doesn’t figure in our lives at all. We do however load the cars heavily. Especially the hilux and 70 series cars
Just goes to show how asthmatic the v8 is even tuned. Great review
I would expect the Auto 200 v8 to walk the 70 series 2.8. It's a bad review, designed to mislead the naive through variables.
@@veneratedmortal4369 youd hope so lol. thats a twin turbo v8 vs a single turbo 4cyl. really proves how outdated the 1vd is
@mitchell5064 by outdated as far as I'm aware, there are very few technological advances between the two. The main difference in power is boost. Single and twin turbo is not an advantage or disadvantage. The v8 is 8psi making it a dynamic capacity of 6.9L the 2.8 I can't find the boost but it could be up to 30psi, making it 8.4L capacity. There isn't a lot of magic or advances in engine design it's mostly just simple math of an air pump.
More the fact it's really only a small block V8 diesel, make it six liters and see the difference.
12psi for the v8 otherwise I have a problem that I'm not looking to fix @@veneratedmortal4369
I’m a bit blown away with your fuel usage in the 79. I’ve got a 2020 dual cab, 33s bar work and roof rack. Get 13lt per 100 empty around town or highway. Go down to 17lt per 100 loaded with 2ton van and 500kgs in the tray. Remapped with 220hp and 730nm. I tow in 5th at 2000rpm and hold that gear every where. Definitely impressed with the 76 tho. Didn’t expect the 2.8 to do that well towing.
Auto behind the v8 would be an interesting proposal. Still think the 300 series motor gearbox would be the ducks guts in the 79.
As if 79 series owners aren’t spending enough on their vehicles. Now they should convert to an auto as well? 😂
What's interesting is that the prado can be in low range with an open centre diff, so you can still have that control you spoke of when reversing a trailer. Would be a good comparison between the prado and the new 2.8 76 series
Aside from gear/final drive combo ( which I don’t know that the 70 series v8 vs 4), is it possible the tuner give you a tune which start to dial back power as the EGT climbs ( to protect engine) ? Otherwise it seems to define simple physics?
On the other hand the way to gain more performance seem to be keeping things as stock as possible- no 35s and reduce additional weight
Honestly, everything about stock is better. It is more reliable/less stress, economical, even better offroad unless you need the clearance(due to IFS and the typical way that people modify, the wrong way with no thought to geometry). Even stock road tyres are better because Bigger(fatter) tyres are actually worse.
Dude, your new Cruiser is a legitimately solid vehicle. I’d 100% use it as my “do it all” vehicle if it were available it the US. Toyota nailed it. Great video, as always 👍
A 1990 F250 base model is the same thing anyway.
Very interesting and surprising results. Thanks Ronny for prompting me to do some math.
Since we can't get either of these in the US until they are 20 years old here are some comparisons.
Tires; experience with my 1966 highly modified Bronco 33" best tank ever 16MPG 14.7 L/100 at 60MPH (100). 35" with equivalent re-gearing it won't break 12 (19.6) at 50MPH on flat ground.
I agree with comments tires are having a significant impact.
Aerodynamics with height and rack on the 79? Full size slide in bed camper on my F250 7.3 = 30% drop.
What is the weight difference between the two?
Hey guys, great video series, with the 76, (2.8 never late) I would like to see the 76 wagon with bigger tyres and the same amount of weights and accessories as your 79 Ute. Or the 79 with smaller tyres, And see what the difference would be then with the Towing test, The 35s inch tyres do suck a bit of power out of the vehicle . I have a 2013 79 series single cab, Ute with a canopy and we are towing a full size 20 foot off-road caravan very similar to the van that you are towing in the video. I used to run 35s on the truck but I’ve gone down to 33s you do notice the power difference between the 35s the 33s inch tyres
So for how long do you think that highly stressed 4Cyl can keep that up before it throws a rod or piston ?? 6 months ? A year ?? My Troopy 4.5 has been towing that for 15 years.
Well, this 2.8L has been around what? Like 7-8yrs. So the whole reliability question is answered already
What was the GCM of each combination when towing? That and having the same tyre size are the two key criteria if you are comparing these two particular vehicles. (acknowledging the '79 is tuned).
Unbelievable! If only we could get these in the States. Great comparison mates.
If you have a manual vehicle and plan to ever back up a trailer, 2WD low range is a must. I have a 2WD low mod on my Tacoma and it's so nice
I have my doubts about the ‘tow tune’ in the 79. Was it just a flash tune or was it run up on a dyno by someone who knows their stuff? I have a 2015 76 with a ‘tow tune’ by Tommy at Performance Tourers on 33” Maxxis RAZR MT’s & it does 11.0-12.5L/100 around town (right foot dependent 😂) & worst I’ve seen is 16.5L/100 towing my 2.5T trailer + a full car with 5 people, cage roof rack w/ 4x Maxtrax, solar panel, etc. No problem overtaking trucks up hills at 100+kmh. Before the tune it had no hope.. It struggled to maintain 80kmh going up a hill towing. So it really makes me wonder about the quality of the tune in the 79.
I'm sure Ronny only uses dodgy, cheap tuners. After all, he lives in WA.
Just tested over 6000km in my 2022 V8 76 with 4 people, full to the roof luggage, 200kg of accessories and a soft roof top tent is between 13.1 and 13.5L/100km. Towing a lightish 1800kg van to Cooktown via the Bloomfield was the only way I could get it to burn 16.5L/100km. Damn your cruiser is thirsty.
I think its pretty clear the days of the v8 cruiser are done, Toyota are really probably just keeping it 'current' trying to fill the back log of v8's. Moving forward they should just release the 2.8L in a manual version and retire the v8 variant.
I think the V8 is Manual only. The 2.8L is available in Manual or Auto, as I recall from Rony and ASPW.
Good to see for the future of our beloved 70’s. Because the V8 is definitely on the out. And I’m an owner. But it’s hardly new news. I’ve had the earlier 3ltr hiluxes against 1HD FTE’s and they were more than competitive. That said, where are the huge numbers of those vehicles sold at now. Not on the road as a rule but traded for the next model. The more juice you squeeze from these things costs in the long run. No replacement for displacement or something like that.
I have the hilux 2.8 auto in the UK but have contemplated on buying the older hilux 3.0ltr auto for towing which do you think is best for the job? Cheers
@@daveknight743 A suggestion: compare the power and torque figures for the 2 engines, rather than the displacement. Too many other factors including turbo boost pressure affect the power curve that displacement almost doesn't matter any more. Also, and this might be hard, see if you can hire/borrow a 3.0 to try before you buy. Alternatively see if you can find comments from someone who has had both. The guy you replied to said he used to have the 3.0 but not the 2.8 so he probably can't compare the two you're asking about. I've had neither so I don't have an opinion on it.
it's going partly because of new Aussie fuel consumption laws
Wow I been watching with interest what unbelievable results so for the stock Vechile from day one now be interesting when going to those’d extras to it and changes your You Tube videos always great to watch becuase mixed it up and always very informative
I would like to see this test again with factory standard tire size on the V8 and see if this changes it for towing?
Why would I suggest because the larger tyres have changed the final drive ratio?
I think Ronny has fixed that with a different drive ratio.
@@Renegade040 okay I missed that point
But its not only the tiresize. Roofrack, liftkit, steelbumper and some stuff like that are negative for fuel consumption too. Even when you drive faster than 80ks
Yea but the old girl couldn't get pass 80kph up the hill anyway
@@christopherlam2558 why not?
It’s a modern diesel, so likes to be let to Rev but most people don’t understand and drive the V8 in top gear or too high a gear for the situation.
Is the speedo corrected for big tyres
You can use my 76- stock tyre, stock suspension, been tuned by another shop. To do another towing comparison if you are keen.
Same story here. We had a manual 3 door J9/90 series Prada with a V6 petrol. It towed good. Without towing, in the high revs (petrol could go up to 6k no problem) it was fun to drive and pushed you into the seat. But with towing, you really felt the weight. It did surprisingly well in low rpm BUT:
With the 2014 hilux 3.0 automatic we now have, towing is so much better xD.
I don’t know why it’s factory rating is just 2.8 tons, it tows so much better than our old Prado did (which was rated for the full 3.5 tons).
0-100 is much less fun on the hilux though, but in return, on the autobahn, you can drive up a steep one and still accelerate from 100-130 no problem…😅
Also merging into the autobahn with a trailer now is wayyy less stressful…
On paper, we have less horse power on the 3.0 diesel than on the V6 petrol. But in real life it’s so much better😅
prado is 2.5, not 3.5.
i think your right
Need to put the same wheels and fruit on to get a good comparison.
Chuck 35's on the 76 and see how it goes
For what purpose apart from making the perennially gutless V8 look less weak.
Now that Toyota are rid of 5hat boat anchor it is high time to reinstate the front track width and fix the off road performance.
I think people forget the VD is literally a 2007 engine.
It’s old technology at this point in time, look how far we’ve come in terms of automotive technology in 17 years. I’m not surprised a 2.8L mated to a modern six speed automatic did so well.
I feel like the 4cylinder will get the same fuel economy even with 35's as the torque and power of the engine is just that good. I wish Toyota really refined the V8 engine but the power modern 4 cylinder engines are making these days is impressive.
Would be interesting to see a comparison for the 2.8 vs 3.3 vs 4.5 engines.
What is the 3.3?
300 series
@@darrengray2309 F33A-FTV (300 LC)
You're overcomplicating it now .
My stock v8 troopy GXL with stock tyres gets 11L / 100km on the highway in my "real world" tests. Not much more than this 2.8. I never towed anything as big as this van so i can't compare there but smaller, tandem trailers got me 14 to 15l per 100km
Typically it's the weight of the car that determines most of the fuel economy. A much less significant amount is determined by engine capacity. It's usually 2-10%, not 60% as shown by them.
So it jumped up 5L when towing. Ronnie jumped up similar 6L towing. In other words your fuel consumption went up by 50% dude.
@trickster8635 I'm not sure what your point is? Towing is hard.
@trickster8635 from 11 to 14 is 3 dude. About 30%
This was up a"big hill," so you'd have to check your consumption on a similar test to compare.
As a result of towing a variety of objects for many long years I have found 80 KMH to be a totally useless speed to travel. At 80 the air seems to trap between the vehicle and trailer and for anything under powered like a 47 series or a Hilux you sometimes need a downhill section to break through that 80 barrier.
Really hard quartering wind (sandstorm conditions) on the Nullarbor or the WA coast makes it hard to find any good speed possibly because the wind angle keeps fluctuating.
That was yet another good test you have performed. The 2.8 litre 76 Series is looking like a viable tow vehicle, without much modification.
I towing a camper trailer weight around 1.9 with the fortuner with the full build for twd 4x4 so car already quite heavy itself but she pull it very comfortable with fuel consumption sit around 16 to 17.5 depend on road conditions and wind.
A lot of focus on the engines with the uphill climb, but in reality the auto vs manual is a significant factor. Auto’s are quicker to down shift, before there is a loss of momentum which is impossible to recover with such a big load going uphill.
The excuses! Here they come!
Not really man most people switch into 4th at the base of the hill
@@samp1533 you wouldn't go below your boost threshold while going up a hill and the light up time on a modern diesel turbo is in the milliseconds. I completely understand what your saying and thats definetly an issue you would have with a drastically larger wastegated turbo but on the 1vdj the factory turbo is a small variable geometry unit thats only pushing 12-15psi. If you have a boost guage hooked up to your car you can see this first hand as long as your in the boost threshold rpm the boost guage should near mirror your throttle
@@chipchip48 its not the hill causing you to go bellow the boost "threshold", its lifting your foot off the throttle when you change gear in the manual and resultant loss of (at least some) boost.
That's not a factor with the auto, your foot is flat the whole time. watch the video in the link, even with a sequential trans the ignition is cut for a moment, which is not the case with the auto.
not really feasible to put an auto in the v8 for the test, but I'd bet even money that if you did, the tyres the accessory weight and anything else would make no difference the v8 would match the stock 4 cyl if not better it.
I don't care either way what wins, We have a v8 and I'm considering a 4 cyl as a second car. The 4 cyl is performing well and I knew it would.
There's a reason you can't get a manual 4 cyl (just saying)
@@bjones5240 not at all, I have no dog in this fight. I will NEVER buy another Toyota after the issues I had with my 200 series and Toyota refusing to honour warranty. I am simply commenting that modern auto boxes are superior for towing in most circumstances, and particularly going up long and steep hils.
Man, what an eye opener. I really thought the 2.8l would be a piece of crap. I think the V8 just got assigned to history.
Great vid, I love when you and harry collaborate!
I do wonder though, if this 76 was around when Harry built the ten year tourer. Would it have swayed him?
Great comparison ❤ but I’d really like to see the comparison, with the same size tyres on each vehicle
Fit a 8 speed ZF 8HP 75 automatic to the V8 and do it again. My experience it is the automatic transmission that makes the difference.
So another 30k to an already over priced POS, may as well buy something decent in the first place that comes factory with an 8 speed.
Depends what you are doing. Ronny’s V8 is a lot heavier with every accessory and wind drag but still with the std manual box. As the test is about engines, a better test would be to test two stock vehicles with the V8 having an 8 speed automatic.
I think a more telling factor in the fuel consumption figures during the test is that the V8 had an increase of 36% but the 2.8 increased by 55%.
So what?
So what? What a nice way to tell the world you do not understand numbers and mathematics.
Just ordered the 2.8 D/C GXL yesterday.. drove both and was seriously impressed by the 2.8, it drives so much better that the V8
The 76 with the GR hilux tune would be nice with that 10% power bump.
In general a good towing test between the two.
That said I feel there are some things that should be noted here
#1 for starters I don't care what kind of vehicle you have, Generally Speaking an Automatic Transmission will do way better than a Manual Transmission when it comes to Towing. This simply comes down to the Available Torque Multiplication in the Automatic vs the Manual Transmission.
#2 thanks to the 79 having a V8 I'm sure it has a bit better Low End Torque compared to the 76's 2.8 Inline 4.
#3 since the 79 has much bigger tires and added weight it will struggle a bit more compared to a Practically Stock 76. I don't care what vehicle you have. Doing changes like that without doing a Final Drive Change is going to impact Towing Quite a bit.
Am I surprised that the 76 did that well with towing? Not really. I had a 2019 Ford Ranger with the 2.3 EcoBoost and the 10 speed Automatic and it did real well when it came to Towing.
If anything when towing you still have to remember that the goal is to get to the Destination in a Safe Manner instead of trying to be the first one there. One wrong move and it could all be over.
Agreed. A final drive correction won't completely fix it. there is a lot of extra weight and inertia in the wheel. And the further from the hub the weight is the harder is it to turn. They definitely need to be stock weight, on the flat the weight is not significant but when lifting it up the hill it is.
They said they were the same weight...
@benjim_ the 4 cylinder is about 100kg lighter stock and I guess the 200kg canopy bullbar and 35' tyres make it lighter?
@@veneratedmortal4369 the 76 wagon in a 2.8 is 120kg heavier stock than the 79 is.
@@veneratedmortal4369 regardless. 100kmh uphill stock in 4th which is direct drive vs tuned v8 in 4th direct drive and the 2.8 smashed it...
Have you entertained the idea that your tuning might be a problem?
Oh think this could be the problem to be honest, any straight hill like that I have never once taken mine out of 5th, and that’s not taking anything away from the 76 that was also impressive but the 79 should have shit that in
@@jackjames1543was thinking the same. The 76 was great. I don't want to downgrade its stunning performance. But the V8 should not be stinking that much. Seems completely gutless. Sometimes I am stunned that regular people think that they are more intelligent than engineers resulting in making stock engines worse. I am not a fan of tuning based on chips. Having said that the auto also plays a big role. Interesting video for sure.
What a surprise indeed. Cheers
Looks like ya keeping that 76 series Ronny!!!
When I wake up in the morning and look out the window which car makes me excited? V8 all the way for me.
Love your Videos Ronny
love the side by side testing, but for the towing up a hill and MPG i agree the 79 has bigger tiers which will act like a higher gear and make a sluggish top end at higher speeds and or towing.
Great video boys. Although the v8 is an awesome beast the
2.8 is very impressive for what it is.
Three of us have one in the family and my dad and brother tow heavy with theirs and they are impressive 👍
same set up as my fortuner, goes hard
hey Ronny, interesting clip as always. Very interesting. The only thing I would say with these smaller engines being pushed to do large towing jobs is ... how long will they last, truly ?
The only 2 selling points nowadays for manufacturers are 1) towing capacity and 2) how many litres per 100 will it do it in.
Making engines smaller and smaller yet pushing up power and torque levels more and more with such straining tolerances: Power to weight is great in stock form but once you hook on a 3.5 T van ... ? Plus some bar work, winch, heavier bigger wheels / tyres, roof rack etc. Something has to give and break. I liken it to transplanting a 5 yr old child's heart into a 300 kilo person and then making them run up a hill over and over again while loading up their back pack with bricks. They could only do it so long and each rest in between would get longer and longer if that makes sense.
I'm just not a fan of tiny engines revving their t*ts off for the same gains in performance. There's no substitute for cubic capacity - hence why top fuelers use supercharged big blocks and not twin turbo 2.0ltr 4 cylinder engines. But that's just my take on it anyway. Keep up the great work mate, really enjoy your channel and content. 👍👍
I run a 79 series of which I've had for over 4 years. After the 3rd year, i had a Safari armax package fitted.
It made a huge difference when towing my 3 tonne caravan in the hills.
14 months after Safari was fitted, i had it taken out, as warranty work needed to be done.
I'm interested in what tune you've had done. Agree manual locking hubs the way to go.
awesome video
Amazing how the four banger is so much cheaper to build yet you don’t see a penny of their saving on your sticker price
Hmmm , very interesting 🤔
Great lead in to the next video as I’m sure we’re all keen to know what the Tyres do?
This is turning into a rippa of a Toyota ad. Never would have thought it would be that good!?
Thanks for the great testing and thoughts, keep it up 👍
Lovely Ep gents
Nice work Ron and Harry, look Ronny knows what he is doing with this test, brings lots of attention and of course debates and arguments in the comments. Of course this needs to be done with the vehicles weighing roughly the same, similar mods same size tyres etc... this was just the appetiser, the fuel on the fire so to speak. Still the 4 banger is awesome by the looks, but longevity working hard in a Cruiser? Hmm only time will tell.
Thanks for doing this comparison Ronny, I was in your boat before this test having owned a tuned 79. Wtf! Cannot believe it… sad day. V8 sounds better hahaha thats all I have now
I actually think this video has killed the V8. I have one on order for May and thinking about swapping it for the 4cyl now. Its a no brainer given its cheaper and you dont have to spend the $10k on engine performance!
Cracker of thumbnail fella's. A good solid review, as many variables covered as possible. It would be interested to see how the two vehicles go towing off road? As the 2.8 might relies on the turbo to give it that power boost, where as the V8 has the shear cubic mass to take on the track?. Cheers Geoff
Thanks Geoff,
Yes I’m super curious too it’s planned for the future 👍
would be interesting to see what the fuel consumption on the 76 would be once it had roofrack tyres touring set up in it for a true comparison
Great video.
Is there any plans for a 76 2.8L Ute that you know of
Love the shirt Harry. 😂
Hey Ronny, I tow a 3.5T van in a tuned 2020 79 series, and I think you missed something on that test. I learnt that for those big long hills you need to be doing 100km/h in 4th at the bottom of the hill. You can then hold 100 all the way up. Any speed you loose before changing into 4th, you never get back.
25-27psi + boost on the 76 scan gauge there.. The 2.8 is working very hard..
Should be good for 200,000 kms .
I wouldn't worry too much about the boost pressure, there's over 25 pages combined of current model 200k+ km hilux and prado on carsales at the moment. A few approaching 400k, looks to be equal numbers with the current high km 70 series for sale
2024 Land Cruiser is totally out of my budget for at least 100 to 120 more years but still... nice series of videos!