TS2017 Rail Disasters - Speeding through Downtown (1990 Back Bay train collision)
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- Rail Disasters is finally back after a long while. Just a recap, this is the second episode of the new series known as "Rail Disasters" simulating and recreating the events of real world train accidents.
On December 12, 1990, a collision took place between an Amtrak passenger train, the Night Owl, and a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority (MBTA) Stoughton Line commuter train just outside Back Bay station in Boston, Massachusetts. Although no one was killed in the accident 453 people were injured and Back Bay station was closed for six days. Total damage was estimated at $14 million. The accident led to new speed restrictions and safety improvements in the vicinity of Back Bay and a revamp of Amtrak's locomotive engineer training program.
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The distant signals for Cove interlocking (the signals located just west of Ruggles station) now will ALWAYS show Approach Medium. This requires trains approaching Back Bay to slow down to 45MPH as soon as they pass these signals. ACSES (the Positive Train Control solution in place) will enforce the proper speeds on the curve itself (30mph for Amtrak). This should never happen again.
Oh, and cheers for using the route I created in the video. The TSW version of this route I will make is going to warrant a remake of this video at some point.
Seeing no one was killed is truly the good news to see after this life event for everyone aboard. Someone was truly watching over them all that tragic day.
I just happened upon this video. Very interesting and well put together.
At the time of this accident I worked for the engineering firm that did the station and tunnel. Several of us were in the tunnel the evening following the accident to assist the responders, as we were very familiar with the tunnel. The destruction was amazing, even more so that no one was killed.
I have some photos that I took that night, and from time to time I look at them as a reminder of the role of luck in life.
Great visuals. Thanks
So Copeland Intentionally passed a signal at Danger gaurding an open drawbridge, in fact HE HAD A POOR PERFORMANCE RECORD. The MBTA Engineer was unlucky, there was nothing he could’ve done.
You make a good series!
Engine sound is right on the money. I can almost smell the exhaust.
its very lucky cuz all passengers survived!
this music is similiar music from radio non stop pop in GTA v
it is good THAT there were no FATALITIES in this bad accident
My mom went into work that day on the train just before the commuter train that got hit. She'd assumed it wasn't a serious accident throughout the day (before social media, digital news, etc.), so when she was coming home and they told her her Providence train was being rerouted over the Fairmount Line, she asked the conductor why they were doing this inconvenient rerouting. He simply responded with "we're lucky no one was killed." It's a good thing she wasn't on that earlier train, or I may not be typing this right now.
Very interesting! Glad she’s okay and thanks for sharing your perspective.
Facts man glad to hear this
Providence train, you say? We might live near each other. You live in like South Massachusetts?
Omg my mom was on the mbta
Deep. Very deep. Makes you think for a while.
I'm not saying you're wrong about the consist for #66, but I was a Washington-based LSA in that era, and worked that train as a cafe LSA about a year before that accident, and in that era that train always had an Amfleet I coach-cafe, and carried a Heritage 10-6 Sleeper for Boston on the rear. Now because of the holiday season, it is possible that a regular food service car was not available, and it's always possible the sleeper was bad ordered at the last minute and blanked for the trip. This is about the time that the FDA came down hard on Amtrak over it's rodent and vermin problems with a consent decree and started shopping infested cars right and left for several months. But the consist you describe would have been very unusual for the old "Fright Owl".
I have a lot of fond memories of taking the Night Owl from Boston to Washington to visit my grandmother as a boy in the mid 1980s. My mother was divorced and single at the time but even the double-bedroom sleeping car accommodations in the 10-6 were pretty cheap then, I recall you sometimes got a basket of nice snacks too that I'd dig into while Mom got wicked ripped on nips of Irish Mist (lol!) The 10-6 sleeper cars were pretty comfortable as I remember and quite an experience for that little kid, now a man just old enough to have actually experienced a bit of a different era. Incidentally the last time I recall riding in a Heritage coach on the Night Owl was around 1998 I believe, I recall thinking it was unusual to see on that train.
Why don’t you have 1 million subscribers!? This was fricken amazing!
Lol I wish tbh. I beleive it's how CZcams promotes their content uploaded by promoting the less skilled creators.
Really good documentary I loved it
That was blessing nobody was killed in the train crash thanks God amen
I blame Copeland but I mostly blame Amtrak for rehiring Copeland in 1983
But it wasn’t his fault
Blame both
@@ashleybritton5335also, what do you mean it wasn’t his fault? Copeland caused an entire train crash and you said he is not responsible for the crash.
It’s because he did nothing because it’s the brakeman’s fault for not breaking as they entered back bay
@@ashleybritton5335 because Copeland DID NOT properly supervised Abramson
The fact nobody died in this wreck is nothing short of a miracle
metraking192 was this really 1990
metraking192 the fact that the Amtrak train crashed into the MBTA locomotive, and not directly the cars, is what caused the miracle. Had the Amtrak train hit the cats directly, the numbers of injuries and fatalities would rise greatly.
The fact i didn't reach through my phone screen and strangle the video author for not leaving up the text long enough is a miracle.
@Joshua ErvinI ask how can a figment of your imagination change anything?
@@ThePaulv12 And how can insulting someone improve the situation?
When this happened, I've been 7 months old. It's always great to hear nobody died in a crash like this.
This is just like the Allec Joshua Ibay of train disasters...
Lol spot on 👍
Good Lord almighty. That's just asking for trouble. A engineer that was rehired. Too fast through a corridor... I'm shocked no one died.
Besides the engineer of the commuter couldn’t believe that Amtrak engineer was too fast.
Boy, it sure takes a long time for the sun to come up in that area.
I noticed that too...
The crash happened underground in a tunnel heading into Back Bay Station. It was light outside the station.
R.I.P Amtrak 272, 366 and MBTA 1073.
?!
@@elsienovesteras4302 those are the locomotives involved
Most awesome vid!!!!!
Bad year for Amtrak. The EB CZ wrecked in Batavia, Iowa that April, too. I was on it!
That was really cool video, i would've started the video in New York just to make it longer, LOL. Plus, your showing Amfleet IIs they weren't used on the Night Owl or North of New York. Amfleet II's were used New York Southbound. Funny thing, with me growing up in RI I graduated High School in 1990 and i was a serious Amtrak fan and never heard about this accident. I went to Southern Connecticut State at the time and frequently took Amtrak from New Haven back to RI. 830AM was too early for me i don't think i was on this one.
Congrats to 10K views! Look like people are loving this video than I thought.
its very neat and straight forward and great quality lots
The commuter rail has never had doors in the middle of the coaches. It would be nice but that's a long ways away, if ever!
Tell you what, I found this video while watching air disaster videos in FS2004. Now that I see other simulators I am in love with the idea of replicating disasters and such, but not in a sadist way.
Anyways, the video is fine, I subscribed as well, hope your channel can succeed. :D
Suggest anyone who has seen this video read the entire original NTSB report (RAR-92-01) which placed blame for the wreck on the student engineer alone and the rare reconsideration report that was released later after Abramson contested the conclusion of the original report. The follow-up report cleared him and placed blame on Copeland and the NRPC. When you read the two reports in conjunction, you will find that there are some factual differences between the fact pattern presented there and the interpretation of the accident in the video.
The report is here: www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/RAR9201.pdf
According to the report there were 2 serious injuries on 66. It is reasonable to assume who that was.
I think it is fair to say, Copeland was spanked and sent to bed without supper.
Great video, I can't believe anyone survived, but that music felt like 1992 and the girl from CBS music. :)
Fired twice by same employer.
It's a miracle.
the f40s in train simulator really sound like a plane
I can't believe a track speed of 108mph is allowed, in that busy area. They should have had warning lights, to warn, far enough away, to either slow or stop, then creep to the station.
As soon as I saw the 108mph, I knew something bad was going to happen, without reading the title of this video.
108 mph is an insane speed for passing through Ruggles!
I have taken Boston's rail system before......took the Haverhill line (Boston to Lawrence)
I'm no expert by any means, but I'm willing to bet that the fact that they were in a tunnel played a part in no one dying. The curve and walls surrounding them likely helped contain the locomotive's movement while reducing the speed at impact, instead of the train flying off the rails and crashing into something as it could have done out in the open, as was the case in the Eschede disaster. And while the emergency brakes didn't slow the Night Owl enough to avoid the collision and get through the curve unscathed, it at least reduced the speed at the point of impact. Don't take my word for it though.
Copeland made a wise decision in the end when he hit the emergency brake. They were right to fire him and Abramson, but his actions likely mitigated the damage and saved a lot of people that would have died had the train been traveling at full speed. This could have been far worse than it was.
I agree with ur theory but I just think Bostonians are one of the hardest people to kill that isn’t a Direct hit to them
You are somewhat right, excuse the late reply BTW. However, I still believe the sole reason of no fatalities was where the Amtrak hit. Not only did it not hit any cars, it hit the rear locomotive which was not where the operator was. Had it hit the cars, those 453 injured people would've likely been dead. Being in a tunnel like that is both a blessing and a curse. For example, the Malbone Street Wreck in NYC. I believe that if the Amtrak derailed into the tunnel wall, not the MBTA, the tunnel may have caved in.
If you’ve seen that curve in real life you’d be amazed it wasn’t worse ..
( Bostonian Speaking on that tunnel .. )
Also the modern cars and their sturdy construction prevented death as well. A similar crash happened in the 1910’s near Coney Island in the subway, and it killed dozens because the wood cars basically exploded
This is probably the worst non-fatal railroad accident in American History. I’m surprised Thunderbolt didn’t cover this crash already.
There were no overhead electric lines in Boston in 1990.
I'm aware, the route used was set in the modern era. (Not by me of course)
I love your video
I subbed.
To me feels like a parody from Allec Joshua's flight disasters
Its been about 28 years since this crash.
"NO FATALITIES!". I'm calling total bs on this deceptive report.
What music is that at the final?
I was gonna ask the same question
What is the music here? Tried going through the description, but can't find it that way. Thank you.
The F40PH’s worst day
@@nickhill934 yep
I worked with both of these guys, a real shame. Willis had a lot of hard luck in his career.....
Did Willis not make his own "hard luck"? Did he not knowhat was ahead and to begin braking earlier? Or did he lose awareness of where the train was?
So glad that no one was killed. This easily could have been multiple fatalities.
What is wrong with Copeland? Trying to better arrival times?
How can you misseveral red signals and almost drop into water at a draw bridge but for an automatic derailer?
My great uncle often tried to beatimes, but never athe risk of derailment.
@@robertgift Absolutely! Copeland was a dangerously incompetent prick who NEVER should have been at the controls of a train again after his first termination. The person(s) responsible for his rehire were just as criminally negligent as him, really. I hope heads rolled in a big way on this.
I worked 12 years with the railway. They allow some of the most worthless people to hang on and keep working. I am not surprised he was rehired. Nothing on the railway is logical.
Wish you'd shown the accurate consist of the train.
So I can see how much it would be for me
How did no one die? Holy cow!
the cause of the accident was $14 million not $12 million
Luckily No One was Hurt...
What’s bugging me is why would they hire dude back after being fired
He was re-hired yet again in 97 lol
And especially then letting him supervise someone else.
B. Xoit right!!!!
@@junkiexl86 your joking
needed experience, happens at every job. easier to hire someone back than train a greeny. back then engineers were hard to come by especially in New England. Nowadays it seems its easier to be an engineer especially throughout the country. I remember Brandon Bostian collecting my ticket coming back from New York in 2011 because he was unique looking and i was a rare Amtrak day trip.
Luckily no one was killed, but Mr. Amtrak was very cross.
5:45 What’s this Music 🎵
I knew Rick Abramson.
@Larry Brennan u mean Willis Copeland
@SHERMAN YOUNG Willis Copeland was the senior engineer when he was supervising an apprentice engineer and now he's banned from operating New York Trains
@@davidjames8613 Nope. Abramson.
Did you use gmod for the simulation if you did then CAN I PLEASE HAVE TH LINK FOR THE ADDON THE TRAIN LOOKES SO REAL! OwO
Oh my God, you're literally such an idiot
It's train simulator 2017 T_T
You know all about trains
Speed Train Amtrak Crash MBTA
Nice shoreliner cab car and
and?
He got banned from Metro-North :(
Episode 2 speed in downtown
Was is this really 1990 when the wreck happened
Yes
sand patch grade csx river line subdivision and northeast corridor
This crash is so old
Where were the houses at 2:07 located?
Hyde park. We used to throw rocks at the trains from there as kids.
😞I like mta /amtrak
Wait 1071 was scrapped, i think it was only the Amtrak Locomotive
It wasn't 1071, it was 1073. And yes, it was a total goner. It took the full force of the Amtrak slamming into it and was ripped into about 3 segments and was shoved through 4 support columns. From the pictures, it looked like just a pile of twisted metal. You couldn't even tell it was an engine. It was scrapped on site.
Well done video! Thank you. What is wrong with Copeland??
Robert Gift Copeland was fired twice by Amtrak, and, to add insult to injury, he was banned from operating in Metro-North territory
Um....I’m pretty sure that both trains were on the same track. They made contact engine to engine and smashed through Dartmouth Street above.
when TS2017 had to ruin the video by slapping electric on the top of the rails
This is why you should never speed in a tunnel
Good recreation. What was the name of the music at the end?
I'd like to know too...and what the voices are saying.
Yep i know that little einstein in 2006 of gustavtime
is black bay a subway?
Subway and commuter rail.. slamtrack stops there too.
There should be 2 sleeper cars.
inspiration from alec joshua bay ? on the air disaster videos
Yert
@@penncentral6706 is that a yes
Yea
3:41 - That's 1001 not 1073.
I know. I couldn't change the numbers as it was part of the reskin.
@@penncentral6706 1001 is playing the role of 1073.
If it is possible to polish radium in railway track then many accidents can be prevent.
What?
What program is this?
Train Simulator 2017 running on what appears to be a low end laptop.
Yep Amtrak fire those guys they could have killed innocent people but there was a lot of injuries and no lives lost
Derailment
Apply emergency brakes dude
The opening scene shows a fellow on the platform using what looks like a cell phone. Not likely in 1990. Otherwise, well done.
Dunc M PROBABLY REPRESENTS AN RR WALKY TALKY 2 WAY RADIO!
THEY WERE BECOMING A SMALLRE SIZE THOSE DAYS!
The simulation software isn’t from 1990. It’s a minor detail considering all he’s doing is reconstructing the accident.
Sorry if it's listed somewhere but what software is this?
MSTS with mods?
Railworks
Did Copeland stay fired this time?
Yea of course after causing a big crash
He was re-hired yet again in 1997
Did the MBTA cab car get destroyed? Please tell me
No it wasn’t as it was up front.
What music is that?
Loverboy-13855 by Tear Ceremony
@@penncentral6706 Is the song copyrighted? Because I wanna use it in a video. Btw, I can't find the original video of the song, was it on soundcloud or something?
It is but just can’t make money off of it so you’re fine. If your channel is under 1000 subs as per the new stupid CZcams policy then you should be fine
i cant seem to find that title anywhere
another fantastic job by the incompetent, their bosses should have been fired too
Cabcars
Where are Copeland and Abramson malpracticing today? So lucky thathey did not kill anyone.
"Diving for the pope?"
& they want more people to use public transit...
Number of MBTA cabcar?
1614
There were actually two Cab Cars on the consist. 1614 was of course the leader, and 1525 was running as a coach right behind it. 1614 is still around today, although it has long since been deactivated and can be used only as a coach. Sadly, 1525 was scrapped for parts a while ago.
What's the name of this game
If you read the title but it's Train Simulator 2019
@@penncentral6706 sorry brother
Double Crash but why does the train crash on 1 another train. Not like the ro-scale train sim on Roblox. Gosh they are different.
This isn't Roblox. This is a real crash reenactment
Can I Borrows some clips from his videos
Sure as long as you give credit. Sorry for the delay
PennCentral670 don’t worry 😉
8:20am in the morning shouldn't they be more concerned as to where the sun may have disappeared to? I know it would be most on my mind if it maybe end of the world Ahahahahahahaahah!
The crash happened in an underground tunnel heading into Back Bay Station. It was light outside.
Check the beginning of video train #66 leaves Westwood Massachusetts 8:14 am route 128 station clearly video showing night sky also night sky before entering tunnel at 8:20 am train #906 leaves Ruggles station in the dark once entering tunnel it gets darker but doesn't change fact video has night sky entire time.
What app is that?
Read the title
The text is going to fast and mostly can’t read... IT!!!!!!
Is your pause button broken? Alternately you can learn to read faster.
@@ghost307 shouldn't have to do all that. Very distracting and takes away from paying attention to the story.