Always Sunny Unaired Pilot vs Final Comparison (original Sweet Dee)
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- čas přidán 18. 11. 2020
- A scene by scene comparison from the Always Sunny pilot episode, Charlie has Cancer. It's impressive how much they punched up the tone and pacing between the original pilot and the one that aired.
Features clips from Jordan Reid's instagram. - Zábava
Greatest cross-species casting in history. Replacing a human girl with a giant flightless bird was a stroke of genius.
Ha ha, dee's a bird
@@samvsmedia8680shut up Bird!
Stupid bird 😂
He got you good@@samvsmedia8680
@@JugglingOwlBearDennis and Mac don’t get got. They go get.
this show literally would've been unbearable if they were just abusing a sweet, well rounded woman in every episode
Yeah, they do enough of that whenever the waitress shows up
@@TheNinja94asweet and well rounded?😂
Yeah, and not just her, I love that there aren't ANY good people in the show, every single one of them is terrible in some way lol
It was actually the birds idea to make her as horrible as the guys fr glad she suggested that early on.
@@dg9444 she was before she had to deal with them
As a woman, I’m so grateful Kaitlin Olsen pushed to make dee just as insane as the rest of the gang. We’ve had enough “voice of reason” female characters in tv. It made me like the show so much more.
Thanks voice of reason
As a man, I'm also grateful.
I'm also grateful
"bird of reason"
@@babyhilts 😂😭
Old Dee seems more like one of the people in the background that the gang ends up ruining their life in an episode.
I mean... that is kind of what happened. She was dating Rob and helped create the show or at least the pilot with them (her words not mine so could be a lie and she's just salty) but her and Rob broke up and she was kind of kicked out after that and re-cast then Rob started dating, married and had kids with Kaitlin. That's gotta hurt but that's showbiz i guess.
@@wiggl3s_821 lol damn eh
@@wiggl3s_821 Yeah after reading her more calm & collected side of the story , I'm sure some of it is true she probably had some creative input, and I am sure she thought the gang was going to stick together but got betrayed by them. However I think she is probably a very unlikable person to know, she constantly tried to make points of how sexist the gang are for naming her Sweet Dee while the rest kept their real names, The Waitress never being given a proper name and is named after the job she didn't want, boys club this etc. I wouldn't be surprised they just tolerated her because she was Rob's girl at the time, since it seems Rob was very open to Kaitlyn
s suggestions for Dee
@@TimeBomb014X The show wouldn't of survived if she was involved it seems. I'd of kicked her out also if she was saying stuff like that. Not the right kinda show for a person like that.
Yeah she didn't seem like she could keep up with them
So glad kaitlin insisted on making Dee as deranged as the rest of the gang
Kaitlin Olson. She really makes the entire show work. I was so pissed that the cancel culture got her show The Mick taken off the air. Bunch of snowflakes. Some unbelievable great stories on that show. Really a shame the powers that be won...
@@djmattn I was wondering why they canceled that show! I figured it was because quibi lowkey knew that they were dying out!
Boom 400th like. Also I agree.
@@djmattn the mick being cancelled had nothing to do with cancel culture or “snowflakes”... viewership was dropping, and sometimes even good shows get cancelled
@@djmattn it's communism they just try in to get you use to the idea
I love how in the earlier episodes they actually at least pretended to do their job
They didn't have Franks sweatshop money to bail them out.
@@emmastrange5557 That's a very fair point.
@@emmastrange5557 Nothing works without Frank
They adopted the Irish honor system
It’s like Aqua Teen Hunger Force, where they made them detectives for
The first two or three episodes because Cartoon Network mandated it, and then dropped it as soon as they knew they could get away with it.
Kaitlin Olson’s vision for Dee makes the show perfect. The gang would’ve been weird if there was a normal reasonable person hanging out with them.
Besides The put upon voice of reason should be a minority it's funnier when a non white has to deal with clueless white especially if those people are the Sunny gang then that person slowly starts reveal they're just as depraved and feckless as the rest
@@jabaritiffith5150 What I like about "Always Sunny" from the two seasons I’ve watched so far, is that every character gets to play the voice of reason at least once.
Dee, despite being screwed up in all manner of ways, is still more reasonable compared to the rest of the gang.
However, the episode where they introduce Frank starts him off as playing the straight-man archetype. He wants to be there for his children and is planning on donating his wealth to charity, but once Mac and Charlie rope him into coming to a strip club with them, you start to see his morals fade.
And in the episode where Dennis and Dee go on welfare, Mac is briefly depicted as the voice of reason when he tells the Reynold siblings that it’s a bad idea and immoral. But later on, Mac exposes himself as a hypocrite when he expresses how okay he is with keeping and underpaying slaves.
It’s such a unique and interesting form of subversive writing. Usually I’m not such a fan of the idea that "subversion equates to brilliance" but the way this show subverts the tropes of a sitcom is nothing short of amazing.
@@jabaritiffith5150 Really? I think that whole thing has been done to death. Not to mention, they're brother and sister, twins at that. How would that work?
yes like a bird
actually, Dee's character was more like in this video in early season. It has been changed slightly and slightly while season stacked.
appreciation for artemis tho, I have no idea how they found her but she is so perfect
Oh i love Artemis! I don't know if she was meant for 1 episode but they must love her. I do, from Day 1.
We talking about turds.
she is great!
lol Artemis shows up in season one of Brooklyn 99 as a Psychic and she’s literally just Artemis from Always Sunny.
@Emily Hawz Different actor
Dude this was like a alternate reality where everyone is dialed wayyy back
This is before they got to crack
Its the framing. The show is filmed like they had to return the equipment in an hour. Seinfeld on a budget, to which I believe they were trying to get away from the whole, we live in the big city gambit
Also you get the sense that they were acting around the female lead, which makes every scene feel stiff. Not even a laugh track would help
They're more grounded in real life. S2 onwards becomes Always Sunny reality.
Old Dee would get eaten alive by The Gang once Frank starts getting weird with it. Only a true Bird can survive being locked in a cage with a Warthog, a Golden God, a Master of Karate, and a glue-huffing rat-bashing Dirtgrub.
This comment gets a 🌟
@@milkcatdog394 IT'S A FIVE STAR COMMENT!!!
this is a thundergun comment
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@@icosahedron3408 he thundergunned the shit out of it
Kaitlin saved the character (and possibly the show). Took Dee from being the generic, boring female character to being one of the best parts of the show and, in my opinion, one of the best female characters in comedy.
Sweet Dee is one of the best comedy characters in general :D
It’s too bad the majority of her best episodes are banned
@@TrueMakaveli50
They're not as you can buy the complete season that has them here on CZcams 🤦
the best FEMALE characters? why are we classifying people by their gender?
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i love how when kaitlin says “wow artemis that was amazing” she changed the meaning and she basically sounds sarcastic and the original dee sounded serious
You're pretty cute.. Did you ever let the emo/scene thing go?
@@StanHowse what the fuck
@@BornAsunderProject You look timid and insecure in your profile pic. You realize this isn't Facebook, right?
@@winstonmarlowe5254 bro are you really trying to intimidate me and make me feel insecure on a youtube video like some locker room bully shit lmao, cringe
@@winstonmarlowe5254 He doesn't look insecure. You act like you're insecure, though.
Jordan's portrayal of Dee is calmer and reasonably more mature than the rest of the gang and she does capture the initial idea they had for the character. Kaitlin's version of Dee however is more manic and every bit as morally bankrupt as they are which is the better fit for the show.
i think the way jordan played Dee was played the way they originally wanted but Kaitlin absolutely changed the game
Yeah Jordan put the sweet in sweet dee
yeah I think Kaitlin was exactly what I wanted from Dee. The most mature and societally functioning character on the surface but once you see her true character you finally realize why this is the only friend group that will take her. Dennis first seemed the most psychotic, but Dee has easily proven she's his match. If Dennis is Ted Bundy, then Dee is Vera Renczi
She’s also too attractive and it’s impossible to believe Dennis wouldn’t bound and gag her
@@NavyNukerz1337 Dennis wasnt the most psychotic early on though. Dennis was the straight man a lot of the time in the earlier seasons actually.
I can't imagine how could she pull off Kaitlin Olson screaming "God Damn it"
And the her amazingly gross gagging sound 🤢
No one else can pull that off. That's HER line. I think she invented it.
Tbh I dont like it an think its cringe
😆 so true
@@BobGnarly420 what?! No her god damnit line is awesome. Along with her “YOU BITCHES!” Line
This really illustrates how much Kaitlin brings to the show. She’s truly irreplaceable.
In this scene (9:30) Jordan made it believable that Dee was actually helping Artemis and Dennis was only being annoying but Kaitlin Olsen really made
Dee look like she actually did it for her own benefit and proving Dennis point and actually making the scene even funnier.
Kaitlin is more believable as Glenn’s twin
I think they're some of the best cast siblings on TV! They've got such a good back and forth where sometimes they're mean to each other and other times they team up together against someone else. Very believable as twins
@@Sweet_Dee As a twin myself, I completely agree with this portrayal of how it works.
Except, my twin brother and I were only dually super mean to each other and teamed up to gang up on others when we were children.
Really? I honestly thought that original Dee was a way better fit as Dennis' twin (lookswise)
@@danhopalot looks wise the original Dee is a better fit but how they behave and interact kaitlin as Dee is better
that's just cause that's how you know them
Old Dee wasn’t a bad actress by any means, just wrong for the role. I think the difference is that Kaitlyn subtlety shows Dee’s overall lack of confidence.
Agreed, old Dee wasn't that bad at all, her confident voice wouldn't be believeable in the many situations new Dee got herself wrapped up in.
They should bring her back for an episode.
Old dee reminds me of Daisy Ridley because they both read their lines in such a boring way. Granted the guys weren’t as good in the pilot either but like it wasn’t nearly as bad as old dee
She's a pretty bad actress. It sounds like she's reading lines
Agreed shes not bad, she's pretty...her character just doesn't fit with the gang.
No dude, you don’t need to be polite. She’s bad. She sounds like she’s line reading.
This made me realize how good of an actress Kaitlin really is. She IS Dee from head to toe. Also better comedic timing.
This doesnt get said often enough. Kaitlin Olson is a national treasure.
Haha it had 69 likes before i came along
Old Dee seems like too much of a voice of reason. Final Dee fits the atmosphere better.
originally the character was supposed to be the voice of reason but they went the other way with her
In season 1 caitlin complained because Dee was originally more like this first iteration.
@@h.i.mcdunnough9421 yeah I read this too, if she hadn't complained then her version of Dee would have been a boring voice of reason too.
@@penske_material yeah it's awesome because she ended up just as depraved as the guys!
"I'M GONNA EAT YOUR BABIES BITCH" yeah I don't see the first Dee saying that
Kaitlyns voice is a lot more shrill than the original dee. Original dee had a deep and smooth voice that is far too comforting.
What's funny is that if you listen to her on a podcast Kaitlin has a really nice and easy to listen to voice. She makes it much more shrill on Sunny since she yells so much.
@@tonyjurkas2791 "Oh, goddamn it!"
Very bird like
I think that was the point, Dee was originally supposed to be the reasonable adult of the group.
@@tonyjurkas2791 it's the voice and the general attitude as well. you can't feel bad for anything that happens to her on the show because even when she's not doing anything she's just so annoying, you kind of want to side with the others for some reason.
Kaitlin Olson is a brilliant comedy actor. Very few people can pull off her level of cringe/ craziness whilst also being watchable and believable. She's great!
Could you imagine being Old Dee and seeing how successful the show became? That's gotta be tough
It might be her rock bottom.
@@fescueme1081 just stuff it down with some brown
They fired her after she broke up with Rob. So it's worse.
Jordan Reid, who originally played Dee and was a creator of the show, actually wrote a blog post about her experience and perspective working on and being fired from Sunny. It’s very interesting and well written, it’s called “The Most Interesting Thing About Me” on her blog called Ramshackle Glam.
It's funny to me that they had they're Artemis lined up the whole time, lol.
I think that actor's name is actually Artemis. I wonder how typecast she is.
Artemis I use to dislike, I've grown to love her. She's definitely a GOD tier non-gang character
There’s only one Artemis. Now give me a sec, I’m gonna go bang one out in the back of a Wendy’s.
@@3rdeye931 She incorporated a bun, she rolled it into a ball of dough
@@reinbrooks9052 I don’t think she is typecast she played a very different type of part in Scandal and did amazing of course
First girl got fired for not looking like a bird
Or a fish, her eyes weren’t really so far apart.
Actually, they were all made executive producers behind her back and she got fired shortly after for breaking up with Rob. There’s a website article written by her about it :) (Ik what you’re saying is a joke haha)
@J.L. Torres Well they also re-wrote he character from being the straight women
@@bethb9674 Sounds probably but then again it was written by her so who knows 🤷🏽♂️
The unreal standards women can't live up to. We can't all be birds 😭
Okay, obviously Kaitlin was the best addition but can we talk about how they already had Artemis Pebdani? Love her!
She was the best friend of Mary Elizabeth Ellis (The Waitress) prior to the show and that's how she ended up being involved in it apparently. Which is lucky, she's one of the best characters! Criminal that she isn't in it more.
Artemis is amazing. did not get enough recognition
Old Dee is played by Jordan Reid. She wrote a piece online in the observer in 2016, citing she was Rob's ex, who was involved in co creating the show, but got dumped because of FX's all boys club. She took it pretty hard and it took many years to get over being recast.
I just read that article and decided to finally watch the unpaired pilot! Her account is really interesting, especially as none of the guys ever reference her (and especially not as Rob's ex). It's interesting that some things of Jordan's remain in the show to this day, like Sweet Dee's crocheted blanket? That must be in the show now because Jordan had one on her couch and the pilot was shot in her apartment. It is hilarious that Rob dated both versions of Dee 😅
Kaitlyn Olson was such a better choice, little did Rob know he was casting his future wife and mother of his child
Ehhhh I think he knew what he was doing 😏
To be fair, they changed the character from the original conception once Katlyn Olson became part of the team. Originally it was going to be this straight character to act as a counterpoint to the rest, which thankfully was finally thrown away. But you're right that Katlyn Olson plays the role of a selfish asshole much better.
She's crap. She doesn't have that awful charisma lol
Wow I didn't know that
@Justice Beaver he definitely has a type
love that they just used the same Dennis driving scene. No reason to reshoot when it was already great lol.
i think the comments section is being too hard on jordan. dee was written as the voice of reason in the original script. she was just playing the part she was asked to. kaitlin took it up a notch and encouraged the guys to write dee's voice as gender neutral so she wasn't as dull. both did a good job but were playing totally different characters.
No, Kaitlin Olsen recognized how sexist the original Dee's lines were.
@@ITI-xi5zx yeah dude that's why she encouraged them to write her as a gender neutral voice. some men cannot write women
Hope she sees this, bro.
@@DocumentariesByElliot really man? just for commending an actress on her performance? is being a kind person seriously deemed as "simping" at this point? i mean, i'm a woman ffs.
Either way, she wasnt funny, of her own, she didnt "get the gang" she felt it was ok to "just do it" not add her own comedy that she maybe lacked of... So yea she seems töö "normal" for this job
I feel bad for the first D it must of been hard seeing this show successful. I hope she found a role for her.
She actually wrote this while long thing about it and seems to be at peace with it - you can Google it and it should come up on a reddit post.
The thumbnail picture makes the other Dee look like a Skyrim NPC.
I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT
Looks like delphine a little
More like Oblivion....okay that was unnecessarily mean.
She sounds like one too
LMFAO
They made the right choice.
Animals on animals, that’s what they do.
Yeah, this one hardly looks like a bird at all
Yes i agree
sup mike
The camera doesn't lie. Reid was bland. Olson is a character lol.
"Whatever Larry Bird!"... Reid couldn't pull that off and make it hilarious
Before people start comparing acting skills between the two actresses, keep in mind that one is a tape done amongst friends, probably in very few takes for each scene, while the other is after they've gotten the contract to run the show on TV, so they probably put a lot more effort into it, not to mention they were actually getting payed to do it as their job now.
You can even see how the other characters are way more expressive (and funnier) in the final one.
No. Kaitlin was the one who insisted that they change the script from "voice of reason" to "one of the gang".
I'm impressed at how much Kaitlin Olson's performance adds to her character. The dialog is so similar in the two versions and yet, one comes off as way too flawless while the other feels much more like an average person and someone with a much better sense of humor!
Old Dee seems like she was reading lines, our Bird that we love seems completely natural and like she is really living through each situation. She is also as crazy as the other guys which makes sense that she would keep hanging out with them, old Dee would have run away from that bar and her supposed brother. Too calm and mature.
Exactly, first dee is just like a friends sister but Our bird is like crazier than the other Guys
Your first sentence is just cap bro, relax. You don't have to bash her just because you prefer the Dee that we have. She doesn't sound like shes reading lines.
@@Easy420skate I agree. Kaitlin's portrayal is a much better fit, but Jordan did a good job in her pilot too. It's not fair to compare their performances because they were in different conditions and different resources. I thought the other actors Glenn, Rob, Charlie were more expressive and livelier in the actual pilot with their increased budgets, so it might just be the conditions.
I agree. Nothing against the first actress, but Kaitlin Olsen fits the role of Dee so much better. Even her voice is more shrill (and I mean that in the nicest way possible) and it really works for Dee whereas the first actress’ voice is more normal and calm. Kaitlin really elevates Dee to being such a memorable character rather than just the gang’s only girl “friend”.
Old Dee is a lot cutter than the bird
You definitely see the importance of casting in this video. Old Dee was fine but Olson really made the character pop. A lot of shows are similarly sharply written but it's like it's missing some secret sauce. That's what it feels like watching the scenes with original Dee.
in case you weren't aware, Olsen was the one who told the writers that writing Dee as the "voice of reason" wouldn't work.
Groban likes his women to pop
It was so bold of this show to train a bird to be one of the main characters of the entire series.
why is nobody commenting on the fact that kaitlen Olsen legitimately saved the show? if they went with the old Dee character, this show would have NEVER gotten as popular as it did. she is a comedic genius with legitimate talent
Most of the comments are about that
i like dee but honestly she’s one of the weaker characters on the show & people rarely say she’s their favorite character. so i don’t know if saying she SAVED IT is true. if it lacked dennis or charlie? then we can talk the show being nothing without a character.
@@cas6359 they're saying that if dee was the annoying voice of reason character then the show wouldn't be as popular
Even when Kaitlyn was being written as the voice of reason she absolutely killed it, she's always been such an expressive actress in this show. The other girl was good but she just didn't fit the vibe of the show at all
She came off like a Britta from Community type character. That doesn't fit Always Sunny.
Mmm I don’t think the first Dee was a good actor at all. She sounded like a child actor.
I feel like Dee was the big difference between this being a regular, boring sitcom and it being as unique and hilarious as it is
@@MacGuffinExMachina Ugh Britta?
@@MacGuffinExMachina Wow. Great comparison! I agree.
I went into the comparison with an open mind... I definitely prefer Kaitlin Olson. She has so much expression and nuance in her line delivery, and I enjoy the small changes to the dialogue which appears to be improv. Regardless of the behind-the-scenes stuff, I'm completely satisfied with the decision to recast the part.
Olson also mentioned in an interview how she wanted Dee to be as uncaring (she said funny, but I think that comes from being uncaring on this show) as the guys and you can reaaally hear that difference. Even when she’s expressing concern it sounds like it could be coming from a place of self interest/fake concern
Tbh I don’t think this cast tape was a good representation of how well the original dee could’ve been because if you notice, it’s not only the original dee that was lacking expression, or weak line delivery etc... they all were a lot better in the 2nd version
Actors tend to feed off each others energy and she definitely seemed to bring everyone down a bit.
@@Xbitxx Original Dee has admitted though in her blog post that she's not a comedian and that they wrote her role this way to hide that fact. I don't think she would've got some of the scenes Kaitlin got. Kaitlin also has a background in improv and sketch comedy so she had so much more she could do comedically. She has the most comedic training of the cast I believe as Glenn, Charlie, and Danny all trained in Drama and Rob didn't go to acting school.
Exciting fact: Dennis's part in the scene where he's driving was just re-used with different lighting.
Excited response - We know
I never realized how integral Sweet Dee's shrillness was to her character until now. It's just *chef's kiss*
The last scene was such an improvement from the unaired pilot version. Have you gained a little weight is so random and out of character for Mac, it's so cliché for women being offended too. The "get me a beer" line ties in that Dee was complaining about being overworked in the bar. Fantastic series.
Agreed it aged better.
The weight line was odd, the beer line makes me laugh out loud
Imagine how different Rob's life would have been if they hadn't recast Dee.
I don't think the show would've lasted as long, and i don't think he would've stayed with that other woman irregardless.
Roxanne Lavender oh he was dating her too? Damn
@@ZanzibarWizard she's dating dennis. They broke up so she didnt continue.
@@justinandrew7310 Oh man, I only got through half of that and stopped when it just became about how sexist everyone is. Whatever. Kaitlin had no problems and she made Dee a legendary character. That girl seems completely self-centered
@@PantsofVance dude, if you were that close to being on a very successful show like Sunny and have to live your life thinking about how famous and successful you could’ve been, then I would have ZERO problems with you saying ANYTHING that can help you somehow keep your sanity.
Kaitlin has that unmistakable and unexplainable IT factor that says she was meant to play Dee. She has amazing chemistry with the rest of the gang!
Old Dee is the wife in every shit run-of-the-mill sitcom on TV.
exactly. Olsen was the one who INSISTED that they change it from "voice of reason" to "one of the gang", and without that change, the show would have failed completely.
Yeah this dee is a bit too nice... you’d feel too bad about her getting shit on all the time
It really helps that they punched up the script a lot between the two versions.
I think I nailed part of the problem with proto-Dee: she sounds judgemental in a way that deflates the situation, while new Dee just kind of sounds like "I know I make sense but you'll never listen to me so I might as well go along with it". And this isn't just the writing, it's the delivery. Olson has a natural instinct for sounding slightly unhinged, even while saying normal lines. There's more confidence in her, more personality. She sounds engaged in the situation, even when it's frustrating for her character. Proto-Dee is like a parent, trying to get reason into the picture, new Dee just flips out but lets the rest of the gang fail. She's a permanent Jackie Chan "wtf" meme. Better even, after a few episodes they allowed her to fail just as hard, which united them as a true force of ultimate chaos. Proto-Dee would never destroy Cricket, and then how tragic would that be?
@Appladay None of what you said has anything to do with New Dee being better
So no one is going to talk about how Mac was dating old Dee and then ended up marrying new Dee?
hes got a thing for birds
Kaitlin version of Dee in this matchup has more deviant than the original version showing that she can match it up with the boys in their crazy plans at this early stage. The delivery of the line of "I've just solved all our problems except for Charlie and the whole cancer thing" is just gold.
the original Dee reminds me of beth from rick and morty shes more of a suburban mum with a glass of wine type vibe
Season 1 Beth perhaps. By season 3/4 she's as hilariously fucked up as Rick lol
Not birdy enough
Seems more like Jessica
Is it possible that Olson playing Dee differently affected the way that Glenn played Dennis. It seems that when Dennis hatches his plan in the original scene he is way more enthusiastic about doing this to help Charlie in his final days. It is still an unhinged plan but his performance makes it feel earnest, like he means well by his friend. And well, that characterisation feels kinda out of kilter with how insane the plan is. However in the Olson scene, Dennis becomes way more cavalier in a way that makes the plan seem like a way to pawn Charlie off on some poor girl which is way more disturbing and funny. He also adds the line "what is the one thing Charlie never gets?" That little dig at Charlie's sex life while he is dying from cancer is the perfect callousness I would expect from Dennis. It makes the whole plan way funnier, because you can tell it comes from a different place in Dennis' head.
Fundamentally Kaitlin just has WAY better comic timing than old Dee. A skill you can't learn - lady is a natural! All hail sweet Dee!😍
I mean, Olson is ACTUALLY cleaning the tables, changing ashtrays and shit while acting beautifully. She IS the funnies woman to me.
This is the story of the original actress who played "Sweet Dee" :
At one point, one of the guys (I’m pretty sure it was Glenn, but I could be wrong) called a meeting in Rob’s trailer - no secondary cast members, no execs…just the four of us. The question on the table: “What if the network wants to pick up some of us, but not all of us?” I specifically remember someone - again, I think it was Glenn - saying that I had nothing to worry about, because I was “the pretty girl” (not to mention the only girl) and that Rob was clearly fine because he was the showrunner, but that he was scared that he and Charlie might be replaceable.
And so this is what we did, sitting there in Rob’s trailer with paper plates of scrambled eggs from craft services balanced on our laps: we agreed, together, that the network would have to take all four of us…or none of us. We had been in this thing together for over a year now, and we simply wouldn’t allow them to split us up. We shook hands, and headed back to set.
Around that time, my relationship with Rob began to unravel - and I started to sense that I was on unsteady footing, despite our “all for one” pact. One day I walked into the office that FX had set up for the show, and was surprised to find three desks: one for Rob, one for Glenn, and one for Charlie. They’d all been made executive producers.
Very quickly - almost overnight - I went from being at the center of the project to standing on the periphery. I blamed my age; I blamed my inexperience; I blamed what I saw as my lack of talent…but the fact is - even though at the time I lacked the words or the conviction to say it - that to the people in charge, I was nothing more than another blonde actress. FX at the time was a cigar-smoking, whiskey-drinking old boys’ club, and I was welcome when I was the girlfriend of the creator - but once I wasn’t, my role in creating their new pet project was forgotten.
I said nothing, not even to Rob. I was terrified of losing my job, and it seemed to me that the best course of action was to sit down, shut up, and be grateful for what I had. I didn’t want to ask why I hadn’t been made a producer - why, in fact, I hadn’t even been included in the conversation - because the answer was obvious: Rob, Glenn and Charlie (and the agents, managers, and execs that they had started going out for boys’ nights with) were The Guys - the masters of this little universe that they’d created - and me? I was just a girl - and a replaceable one, at that.
The pilot wrapped, and shortly afterwards I ended my relationship with Rob. During one of our break-up conversations, he told me in no uncertain terms that if I did not stay in the relationship, I would be off the show. I broke up with him anyway, and moved into the house that we had been planning to share all by myself.
When FX signed us on to the pilot, one of the first things I did was buy my parents a painting that I’d seen several months earlier and had thought they’d love, of a door hovering in the middle of a massive room. The door is cracked open, and you can see the ocean outside running right up to the frame, threatening to spill over.
It arrived a couple of days after I was fired. I couldn’t afford it anymore, but I also couldn’t bring myself to return it, so that painting hangs in their apartment still.
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I can’t tell you how many people have asked me why I didn’t just stay in the relationship until the show was picked up and my contract was set in stone. The answer is that sleeping in a bed every night alongside a person I was not sure that I wanted to be sleeping with because there was money on the table felt like the worst kind of betrayal; a betrayal both of myself and of my relationship with a man who I loved still, despite the fact that we didn’t seem able to coexist under the same roof. Basically, I just felt like staying with someone under those kinds of pretenses was a shit thing to do.
And besides, I honestly thought he was bluffing. I couldn’t even imagine how a person who’d helped to create a show could end up tossed off of it; it didn’t even seem like it could possibly be legal. I remembered that promise we’d made, and I knew Rob, Glenn and Charlie did, too. I trusted them, and I trusted that - despite the obvious tension - everyone would ultimately do what was right, because at 23 years old I still thought that was how things worked.
A couple of months later, my agent and manager set up a conference call during which they let me know that while Rob, Glenn and Charlie had been picked up for the series, I hadn’t been. I got a small payout (the equivalent of one episode’s salary), my agent and manager fired me, Rob married the actress who he hired to replace me (Kaitlin Olson, who is lovely and talented and funnier than I could ever possibly be, and whose work I in no way intend to disparage by the writing of this piece), and I never heard from Glenn or Charlie again - not since the day my relationship came to an end.
Oh god, was I ever angry. For such a long time. In a panic, I did things I’m not proud of - trying to use my cell phone to record damning conversations (which is a crap thing to do a person regardless of how you feel about them, in addition to being completely illegal); trying to make my next relationship into a Grand Love Affair when it very obviously wasn’t; trying to starve myself into thin air because maybe if I couldn’t feel anything I couldn’t feel the pain of what I’d lost, which felt like everything.
I considered suing, of course. I made an appointment at a firm specializing in entertainment law, and I sat there in an enormous maple conference room in my best Banana Republic skirt suit listening to an attorney tell me that if I took on the case, I would be going to court against not only a person whom I still cared for - but also Three Arts Entertainment, FX, and the Fox Network. The case, he told me, would be long and expensive, and no sane casting director would touch me while I was embroiled in it. It was further likely, he told me, that the lawsuit would mean the end of my career as an actress. I would always be known as “that girl who sued FX.”
You’ll never work in this town again.
I thanked him for his time, and on my way out I stopped into the lobby bathroom to change into a pair of jeans for my next audition.
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This account is, I think, more cogently written than my original version, but that’s kinda besides the point; the more important answer to why I’m writing about this again now is that years have passed - years in which my life and self have changed in ways I never, ever saw coming, and certainly couldn’t have imagined as a young ex-actress struggling to figure out what in the world she was supposed to do - and I think this story matters for reasons I didn’t see back then.
My friends did wrong by me; I think that’s obvious…but I get why they did what they did, and the wrong that was done was bigger than three men breaking a promise. I don’t blame them for taking advantage of their first big opportunity in a very tough industry. I do, however, blame the social values that created a situation in which a young woman was encouraged by nearly everyone she knew to trade sex and love for money “just for a little while” - because she had no other real recourse, no other way to ensure that she’d be compensated fairly for her work.
This isn’t a fun story to tell (although I do think it’s an interesting one, and a meaningful one). It’s a story that makes people - myself included - look not especially honorable, but even beyond that: it’s a tricky thing, writing about an incident that so clearly paints me as the sad sack, the bitter ex-actress who coulda been a star! …and then wasn’t, and was instead relegated to a footnote in the storied history of a television show. I’m that guy who was almost on Friends instead of Matt LeBlanc. I’m the fifth Beatle.
So how do I tell a story like this and not sound pathetic? How do I say the words “I feel good about the decision that I made” and have anyone in the world believe me, when the other choice would have meant becoming a massively wealthy star of a mega-successful show? I don’t know if it’s possible to convince most people on this point; there’s a hell of a lot of cultural baggage having to do with the value we place on fame and money involved here.
But I also don’t think I care anymore whether I “seem” like a sad failed actress. I’m not an actress. I’m not sad. And I’m also not a failure. The one thing I always wanted more than anything else (and certainly wanted more than I wanted to be an actress) ended up happening: I wrote a book, and it was published. And then I wrote five more, and they were or are about to be published, too. The seventh is coming out next year. I’m living in the place in the world that I want to live in with the people I want to live with, and while I suppose it’d be nice to have a bunch more money, I’m good - great, even - with what I’ve got.
I’m happy.
Damn, that sucks.
She's very careful not to directly say that Rob is somehow forcing her to have sex and show love to him, well also confusingly expressing at various points that she loved him throughout the breakup and even after it became a hit (something about calling him and according to conversations?), but basically throws her carefully written bitter recollections in the garbage with "i was the 5th Beatle" and "i couldn't trade sex and love for money if i would hang in there... Wouldn't betray myself ... I'm not mad!..." I'm still left wondering what exactly the purpose of rewriting that article and posting it( almost a decade after the events taking place) serves to aid women or justice or whatever discount D was clucking on about
Wow. What a story
Awwww sorry that’s messed up
Very eloquently said.
Artemis is fantastic! I like how her performance is so much more heightened in the final show.
i love kaitlins dee, even in earlier seasons when the script made her more reasonable, we can still see how fake and performative her outer act is and the vain centre is inside
Dee completely makes this show.
Like as a girl part. She fits so well
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.. as a "girl part"? how old are you?
It's honestly difficult to judge since all of their acting was better in the actual episode. So I assume old Dee would have also been better. Though I can't imagine that actress being able to pull off Season 3 and after Dee.
That’s exactly the point I was trying to make in the comments to those who said Kaitlin was better.. it just really wasn’t that great of an accurate representation because it seems like the whole cast acted better in the actual episode vs the pilot.
subtle changes they made are really important, they made dee's character louder, crazier and not an employee but a co-owner
it turned from "your bar" to "our bar" and etc
I did love how in this episode, the mention of the waitress wearing the bracelet is a massive hint that Charlie is making all of this up in the first place.
It's crazy how similar they look. Rob definitely has a type.
I dont think he started out looking for a hot blonde to date.. the joke is she’s stereotype of a hot blonde to most men but all of them don’t see it at all.
The first one was dennis' gf.
Sileng Ginileng no she was Rob's girlfriend
@@cjred3682 yeah she was Rob's girlfriend for a while. There's a weird late 90s commercial for YooHoo with both of them as well as the actor that plays The Lawyer from Sunny.
Their both birds!
Original girl isn't bad by any means but when she talks it feels like 2 different shows idk how to explain it, it just dosent fit with the crew. Even when they had the same lines Kaitlins voice just fit with the shows vibe, she gave it extra touch of Sunny vibes.
Olsen was the one who INSISTED that they change it from "voice of reason" to "one of the gang", and without that change, the show would have failed completely.
@@ITI-xi5zx Are you a bot? You repeat the same comment in every one of your replies. Lol.
Kaitlin really carried this show on her characters scoliosis back. Hope it ain’t broken🥴❤️❤️❤️she’s my absolute fave
Strong writing for sure. Not to mention she gets more scenes being the only female sociopath 😂
I'm actually blown away by how much this shows what KO brings to her character. Absolutely brilliant.
Season one is so great but it’s definitely missing a super crazy person... Charlie is amazing but frank just ties the whole show together
Kaitlyn is just so perfect for Dee, the difference is INSANE
If you're really paying attention Dee has ALWAYS been the brains behind the gang. She's the fastest thinker in EVERY situation. And the driving catalyst behind most of the plots.
The "get me a beer" is such an improvement hahahaha
Dee definitely makes me laugh. Just look at the different deliveries when they say "I'm sorry are you doing another scene?" 8:10
Wow. Until Reid released these clips, none of her scenes in the pilot were ever released publicly.
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One thing I'll give the original actress is that she looked more like Dennis than Olson did, seeing as they're meant to be twins.
Man this really makes you appreciate the subtleties of Kaitlin's acting that just makes the character feel natural compared to someone memorising lines in a local play.
Dennis in shorts.
Kaitlyn Olsen was the perfect choice for Sweet Dee. I can’t imagine another actress playing the part.
Sarah Silverman?
Kaitlin Olsen was the one who suggested that they change the character from the "voice of reason" to the same deviant as the rest of the gang.
This show simply wouldn't be even close to as amazing as it is if they went through with making Dee the "voice of reason" in the group. One of the things I love most about this show, and one of the things that makes it unique, is that ALL of the characters kind of take turns being lunatics and being the normal voice of reason lmao and they're all good at both roles.. though I must admit that Rob in particular manages to make his "voice of reason" moments even funnier than his crazy moments.
AH! Thank you for this upload!!
So glad they went with Kaitlin Olson,the first one was boring
I don’t necessarily think she was boring, I think it was just because it was the pilot vs the actual episode.. if you notice the rest of the cast are being kind of boring as well in the pilot version
@@Xbitxx Very good point. They were all dialed back. Had they continued on with first Dee, I’m sure she would have morphed into a better version of the character...like they all have.
Having said that, they really did make the better decision to go with Kaitlin.
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you sound boring as well
@@FixedFace wtf are you talking about??
She was pretty good tbh. Olson iwas obviously the right actress for the role tho
Olsen was the one who INSISTED that they change it from "voice of reason" to "one of the gang", and without that change, the show would have failed completely.
Another interesting thing about the pilot versus the official episode is that Dennis seems wayyyy "softer" and more human in the original than he does in the final version. His dialogue and even his performances are completely different. I wonder what made them sort of alter things?
Probably the huge difference in how the actresses played Sweet Dee. The original Dee was a generic female voice of reason, so as her twin, Dennis was more of a generic asshole in contrast.
The thing that puts Olsen over Reid is not just how much better she's doing- look how much better Rob and Glenn are doing too. Olsen is a very giving actor and the production is very bloody lucky to have her.
Yeah, it’s a good thing Kaitlin Olson came along to press the others to make Dee more like the rest of the group. The other actress played the part just fine as originally written, but the part itself needed work. Dee would have been totally out of place as the other characters got more intense if she’d remained a voice of reason.
I don't get the comments of "she was too attractive to play Dee." It would've been fine visually, but the thing that actually makes her less suited to the role is her line delivery. It's so boring & I legit zoned out everytime the first actress would speak. (feel bad for saying that because that actress got such a terrible deal in the end)
Her and Kaitlin don't look that much different so these comments are weird. If Kaitlin wasn't playing a character that has been called ugly or a bird for the better part of 15 years, I think no one would be making comments. She looks like so many other blonde actresses in Hollywood that are considered gorgeous.
But it's the truth. The show would've flopped if they didn't replaced Dee. It's sad how bad they treated her and I think she should gotten a better deal out of it instead of just 1 episode's worth of salary but it wouldn't have worked so well without Kaitlyn's input. It wouldn't be as entertaining if Dee was nice and everybody's bullying her.
Olsen was the one who INSISTED that they change it from "voice of reason" to "one of the gang", and without that change, the show would have failed completely.
what in the he c k does attractiveness have to do with this role? this show was only successful / elevated beyond basic sitcom BECUASE of Olsen.
why is it that appearance is the ONLY thing people ever focus on when female comedians are concerned? +???
Kaitlin Olsen took a job that probably didn’t need the effort she gave. But the effort she gave put her up there with one of the best characters in TV history.
It's incredible how Kaitlin brings life to that character, no offense to the other girl but she did not have it, she dulled out the entire show, the lines didn't pop, lines have to pop, it just felt far less natural, it's so much brighter and livelier with Kaitlin, much better chemistry, I think without that casting decision the show wouldn't of made it past S2.
She didn’t have the flare that Kaitlin has.
She's good but Kaitlin is better.
Kaitlin Olsen was acting whereas it felt like the other girl was just saying her lines
Thank you so much for this
Imagine being Jordan and watching this show become a cultural phenomenon for over a decade. Ouch.
Yeah. I wonder about that for anyone that got recast in any popular movie or show. Like the original Marty in Back to the Future, they basically shot the whole movie and then switched to Michael J Fox and reshot all his scenes.
She wrote all about the experience. She didn't choose to leave the show... the guys (Rob, Glenn, and Charlie) went behind her back and screwed her over. It's actually really sad, but she's in a good place now.
www.ramshackleglam.com/2016/07/28/the-real-story-behind-how-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-was-created-with-jordan-reid-and-sweet-dee/
@@amityislandchum wow, that's pretty damning, assuming that's truly what happened.
Turns out the 'gang' are just like their scummy characters in the show.
@@_Booker_DeWitt i mean what do you expect to happen?
@@amityislandchum WOOOOOOOW, I never knew any of this...pretty messed up that happened. I kinda look at the show differently now after reading that
The old see is more normal and attractive. So wrong for the part
Not bird-like enough
I think Kaitlyn olson is pretty in her own way. A bird way, but a way nonetheless.
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@@gimmickygames4577 All these people acting like Kaitlin isn't pretty is weird. Some of her pictures on Instagram are gorgeous and she's definitely downplays her looks on Sunny. They used to intentionally do her hair and make up badly in some of the earlier seasons and Rob has said he uses a filter and intentionally bad lighting to make everyone on the show look a little worse.
@Rickety Cricket u still love her cricket?
Jordan Reid’s story always makes me so sad. It’s always really bothered me that they completely erased her from the history of the show, so I’m pleased to see her scenes get to even exist on the internet.
Everyone seems content in their lives now, though, and that’s all that really matters
Also this has taught me that the Coyote Ugly content was there before Kaitlin joined the cast, which is just cute since she had a cameo in the movie
@@thehantavirus Kaitlin Olsen is amazing, but that wasn’t my point in any way. I do think it’s selfish and unprofessional to dash someone’s shot at a career because she was no longer happy in maintaining a romantic relationship, but they were all immature at the time, and idk if I know anyone that age who isn’t selfish and unprofessional. I still deeply hate that Jordan is completely erased from the history of the show when she did indeed develop Sweet Dee’s character and the show, but the DVD special features act like they only wrote Dee because they needed ‘a girl.’
I adore IASIP, but I stand by what I said. Kaitlin is perfect on the show, but that doesn’t mean someone else’s professional life wasn’t taken away for petty reasons.
The thesis statement remains the same, “everyone seems content now, and that’s all that really matters”
i like how they changed the script about the grunt work from "no i'm not " to "shhh she'll hear you"
No lie dee is the funniest person on the show and it’s crazy because everyone else is just a millimeter behind
"You know what Dennis, we don't need her..." To original dee
Little did she know what he really meant 😔
I love that Glenn wore the same costume in both versions
Artemis was with the gang that early on wow! She is one of my favorite character!! Wish they can discuss more about the dumpster behind Wendys