Roger That ! I read you 5X5, I appreciate all the suggestions coming from you experts being that I'm just starting to get back into the hobby, I'll change out the stock gyro on my Blade 400, and see how it affects the stock tail servo as soon as I have a chance to change out the main shaft, I can't believe what happened on my maiden flight, but it was mentioned in the rc heli forums, oh well live and learn, and keep on flying, thanks for the gyro percentage suggestion, I'll give that a whirl.🤙🏻
Freddy, thanks for sharing all this wonderful knowledge. While I've not had a chance to actually practice what you've been teaching, I plan to start.soon....
thanks man your a life saver for a plane guy like me setting up his first real heli, for some reason all the instructions only give 6 channel instructions and finding a clear explanation on the forums did not result well, apparently everyone on the planet uses a dx6i for micro, damn my obscure tactic 650!(menus are much closer to futabas 8 channel radios), but I still wouldn't trade it for anything.
Yea honestly its out of date as well, this was way before flybarless was introduced to the hobby. Now days its all done in the FBL programming not so much the radio.
Please do me a favor after i have watched 50 million videos on rc helis. Please make a video on what and why rate mode and heading hold mode are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WhAT IS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THESE TWO SETTING!!!Trust me we are all confused and need answer's. Your videos are the best on the net by the way. love them!!!!!!
all u need to do is go to your gyro menu, setup a value for rate mode and a value for heading hold. After you use rate mode for mechanical setup then yes you can disable it and make both values rate mode but i reccomend keeping a rate mode so you can reset the gyro s hh mode if ever needed. also gov is a set head speed like cruse control if you will. mostly for nitro but its becoming popular on electrics
Freddy, excellent video. This video was I looking for to program my Trex. Just a question. Whats better in normal mode? use fly rate or HH . Thx again for your time and sharing your knowledge. Rafael From Panama( Central America)
Hey buddy thanks for the message, so please try to note. You only use the RATE mode for servo centering and setup for the servo. You always always fly in HH mode so that your gyros are active and the tail will counter balance it self.
Hey Freddy, loving your work brother! I’m just wondering on a Jeti where gyro sens goes from -ve to +ve, is gyro gain still to be set between 0-100? I’m using a old Spartan DS760
I am not to up to speed on the Jeti but typically yes you are correct. You gyro should have some sort of an led or indicator that signifies if your in RATE mode or HH mode.
I am on the simulator mostly. Got my 500 rebuilt and I've flown it a few times. I've just been working WAY TOO MUCH lately! I'd love to come up and see you again. Whatch sell'n?
Thanks for making the effort producing a video. I want to learn but had to end watching after a couple of minutes because of the annoying music drowning out your voice. Wish there was some way to cut that out. Cheers
Hey Freddy. You've answered a couple of my comments. Well buddy, once again. I need your help. I just got back into helis after a 14 year absence. Im 51 and i come from a time when my tx was a JR 610. Everything is either RTF or BNF. My 2 Blade helis are RTF. Well I'm about to purchase a 360cfx BNF. I was thinking of the DX 8. What are your thoughts. And can i use this tx for other helicopters as well. Back in the day you had to buy a receiver for that particular radio and a matching channel crystal. Help. Please and thank you. Love the channel. Running the Realflight 9. And with your helpful videos. Im nose in inverted. BTW. The manual has setups fir many Spectrum radios. Just wanted to hear from an expert.
Awesome info. I have a small question which I believe you might know.. My heli tail banks/falls downwards and heli tilts little left when I punch it hard up-down. Easy flying is okay, & it’s mechanically fine. I am using 6250hx fbl and dx radio. Thank you
Hey buddy, are you meaning that when you apply hard up and down collective the Heli wants to tilt or drift ? Or are you meaning just the tail give a little twitch or gives out on hard collective load?
@@33forsaken Thanks a ton Freddy. During simple forward flight the tail tries to bank down, I have to keep inputting small positive elevator at times. If this was high up in sky the heli can actually perform a back roll by itself. Also in stationary hover when I do sudden pitch (up-down) pumps then surely the tail tilt/banks downward and the heli tilts slightly left. I tried to raise the cyclic gains from 65 to 85 but no change. No stability/rescue or any other jazzy stuff enabled. It’s a pretty balanced heli with 386mm RT blades.
I hope you are still alive Freddy because you make some good informative video's .... I have a raptor 50 can you please recommend an electric equivalent sized helicopter that is also cheap to repair plus what is the advantages of a flybarless system it just costs you more money for the fancy electronics ?
So if I remember the raptor 50 is a class 600. So I would look into the Align or Goblin brand if you want a good quality Heli at a reasonable price. Parts are readily available and cheap as well. E-flight makes a 500-600 I do believe or you can look at clone models as well. However I always say, you will get what you pay for. If your wanting something you can enjoy and will work right, go with the good brand names for sure.
As far as FBL, the benefits go on for days and days. Basically there is no reason to have a fly bar ha ha lets put it that way. However the fly bar still works of course just far out of date.
Eventhought I tuned the weight and balance of my model trying to match RF, my heli does not behave like this, during a flight, comparing to my real flight. it ducks forward and backward during a streight flight. Mine does nt behave like that. It files streight and goes to a lift when the speed grows. I downloaded Trex 700 and despite my tunings at TX, it files more realistic during a streight flight. So It is up to us individually to judge.
Hi Freddy, so I recently received my Blade 400 3d, yes I know she's vintage stock old/new as in never been flown, ( recieved 26 Dec. 2020 ) so I take her out for a maiden flight, on my fifth attempt at hovering, she starts to yaw to the right without any rudder input, could this have been caused by the stock gyro/tail servo failing, I've read about it on the rc heli forums and obviously the inevitable happened. So I now have a GY 401 and Futaba S9257 which I would like to install when convenient, I am still a novice, and what I would like to ask you is this , what setting on the gyro would you recommend as far as percentages are concerned ? also I would like to install the HI-TECH 65 MG servos as well. I'd appreciate your recommendations for the GY 401 though. Thank You !
Hey buddy so I am not the most knowledgeable for Futaba but I can say usually starting around 32% heading hold gain is always a great place to start. Then you can fine tune it from there based on your RPM and model size and what not. They 401 will use the radios Gyro menu for the adjustments.
Freddy. Let's say if I am flying forward and want to make a smooth left turn in a circle I have to add a bit of right eleron during the turn, otherwise the heli will want to tilt left. Is it correct? I did it in Realflight 7.5. By the way, what is your opinion about RF physics? to me it seems pretty realistic. I would say, 95 percent. I edited Aligh 500 FBL, added some weight to the heli in RF because I managed to stick a 4500 mAh 65C 6s battery on my heli) after some modifications. I had to move the canopy like 3 santimeters forward and had to cut 50 milimeters of a fuselage down where battery tray is. Since I put speed fuselage, the tail became kinda heavy.
@@33forsaken I will try it for comparison. What do u think, I put Microbeast box right below main shaft, vertically, and if u look from the side, it is symetrical, 90 degrees to the shaft, but in the center of the shaft. I thought I experiment with placements and to me it seems like a perfect swing point of a heli, like a pendulum point, if u know what i mean. I assumed that all smallest deviations occur there, and therefor it react better, rather thean if u put it behind on a general tray. What do u think? I am still having good flying with that setup. Just wanna hear year opinion.
So, from what i understood is that rate mode is only needed when u do mechanical adjustments to tail servo and it is not used for flying. Am I correct? You do the flying in HH mode, in general.
Yes very correct the RATE mode will allow the servo to center after a command so you can program and setup. (take in mind now a days with FBL this can vary). then once complete you basically active the GYRO by using HH mode to fly that way the tail can compensate and counter act torque.
But why would anyone want to toggle between the two? You either fly rate OR HH, not both. Right? If you only fly HH, you would just leave the switch at the number 2 position at all times?
Fred, I love and need this video,but The back ground really makes it much harder to learn,and adds nothing to what your trying to teach,anyway thanks for this important vidio
Freddy, got a question for you: if my gyro has a hardware "screw" for tuning the gain does it matter how much is this screw rotated? I set the gain in my DX6i but I wonder if the hardware scre on the gyro influences anything and/or interferes with the gain I set in the Tx. Should I leave that screw at maximum anticlockwise (0 gain), ar maximum clockwise, at 50% or it has no importance?
I have a align trex 500 and I`m running a AR7300BX on it. I did all the set up and every thing is working great. But the tail servo is not working like it should .It is slow and not going all the way left and right and it is slower then the other ones. In the setup mod the servo go's all the way left and right for the end points. I changed the servo but it is the same. I'm using a DX8 radio and the servo is a align DS520 on the tail.
Thanks for posting. I have the Dx7se but I think the menus must be different. I cannot find the Rudder Sens menus. It does say INH for Norm, Idle 1 & 2... and I can change this, but it doesn't seem to bring up any gyro menus. I can adjust gyro-gain on the radio's Gear setting. I do experience undesired tail behavior when traveling & reversing piro direction. Is it important to set up a gyro in Rate mode before flying in HH?
Man. I was gonna practice flight nose forward in the park on a basketball field and the whole park came to watch). And I didnt feel like people around to distruct me, so I put it off for next time)
that's weird, the manual on my Devo 7 says: gyro modes, AVCS or NOR, when value set to 50%+ then avcs activates, avcs is also known for "heading hold", then from 0 to 50% is Rate Mode....which is set on the mix switch at 3 pos: 0:75% - 1:70% - 2:50% (rate mode).....or the made manual wrong ?
I have a blade 450x and I recently re built the whole thing with a custom house of kolor urethane paint job. It hovers hands off and at high head speed the rudder seems to be locked in and doesn't move. I haven't flown in high rpm yet and don't even fly 3d.not until i get a sim and get some sim time. do I really need to mess with my gyro. a couple of times in the past while flying the heli decided to do a 180 turn on me while flying and almost everytime resulted in a hard landing or crash
Hey Freddy, i kinda get what your saying in this video, and i understand that every radio is different, but im trying to make the connection with my futaba 18mz, and im running flybarless microBeastX. the instructions for the radio dont seem to be very detailed on how i to set up for the heading hold. i wanted to set it up and from what i was told is to set it in heading hold mode all full time.. i guess the terminology is different so i dont understand it. also what is govener, govener2..?
I also have Futaba, its a 6J. Been stumped on tail issue for months. Couldn't find rate/HH mode options in manual til I found out my Futaba ranges are -100 to 0 is rate and +1 to+100 is AVCS or HH. I believe that's how it is, Im set at -49 and tail is acting correctly now
7 yr old video, and still helping people out. Thank you.
lol thanks, its a bit old school for sure.
Roger That ! I read you 5X5, I appreciate all the suggestions coming from you experts being that I'm just starting to get back into the hobby, I'll change out the stock gyro on my Blade 400, and see how it affects the stock tail servo as soon as I have a chance to change out the main shaft, I can't believe what happened on my maiden flight, but it was mentioned in the rc heli forums, oh well live and learn, and keep on flying, thanks for the gyro percentage suggestion, I'll give that a whirl.🤙🏻
Good luck and fly safe out there buddy
thanks - after watching dozens of videos on gyros, this is the first one that made it clear.
Freddy, thanks for sharing all this wonderful knowledge. While I've not had a chance to actually practice what you've been teaching, I plan to start.soon....
thanks man your a life saver for a plane guy like me setting up his first real heli, for some reason all the instructions only give 6 channel instructions and finding a clear explanation on the forums did not result well, apparently everyone on the planet uses a dx6i for micro, damn my obscure tactic 650!(menus are much closer to futabas 8 channel radios), but I still wouldn't trade it for anything.
Okay, I guess it is a matter of preference huh ? Very comprehensive tutorial I must say !!!
Yea honestly its out of date as well, this was way before flybarless was introduced to the hobby. Now days its all done in the FBL programming not so much the radio.
Please do me a favor after i have watched 50 million videos on rc helis. Please make a video on what and why rate mode and heading hold mode are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WhAT IS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THESE TWO SETTING!!!Trust me we are all confused and need answer's. Your videos are the best on the net by the way. love them!!!!!!
Snap Freddy, I forgot to mention as you well know the radio of course is the DX 6i
This was the DX7 model
Some ones gonna higher you just to read a script, wow, nice work bro
Thank you Freddy, soon taking out my flybared 450 thanks to you!
Excellent video dude. The drums kinda got a bit much by the end but great vid.
very helpful and nice explanation. you look's like a real teacher on your flipchart. ;-)
all u need to do is go to your gyro menu, setup a value for rate mode and a value for heading hold. After you use rate mode for mechanical setup then yes you can disable it and make both values rate mode but i reccomend keeping a rate mode so you can reset the gyro s hh mode if ever needed.
also gov is a set head speed like cruse control if you will. mostly for nitro but its becoming popular on electrics
You are a badass 😎
Thank you for these videos!
Freddie thank you well explained. Al from Scotland
Thanks a lot for your sharing. U're the man ...
Fred ment to say back ground music
No worries it will be gone from future videos.
Rita, not a bad edu.
She would say and did say, "don't suck your teeth. Around me"
lol
Great Job Freddy !
Good videos I watch all your videos big help thanks for making them
Thanks Freddy. That's super helpful.
Freddy, excellent video. This video was I looking for to program my Trex. Just a question. Whats better in normal mode? use fly rate or HH . Thx again for your time and sharing your knowledge. Rafael From Panama( Central America)
Hey buddy thanks for the message, so please try to note. You only use the RATE mode for servo centering and setup for the servo. You always always fly in HH mode so that your gyros are active and the tail will counter balance it self.
@@33forsaken excellent. I was thinking that this would be your anwer my friend. my question was just to confirm. Now I am clear
Hey Freddy, loving your work brother! I’m just wondering on a Jeti where gyro sens goes from -ve to +ve, is gyro gain still to be set between 0-100? I’m using a old Spartan DS760
I am not to up to speed on the Jeti but typically yes you are correct. You gyro should have some sort of an led or indicator that signifies if your in RATE mode or HH mode.
I am on the simulator mostly. Got my 500 rebuilt and I've flown it a few times. I've just been working WAY TOO MUCH lately! I'd love to come up and see you again. Whatch sell'n?
Thanks for making the effort producing a video. I want to learn but had to end watching after a couple of minutes because of the annoying music drowning out your voice. Wish there was some way to cut that out. Cheers
Sorry its a very old video, and also this really does not apply as much these days with FBL systems.
Hey Freddy. You've answered a couple of my comments. Well buddy, once again. I need your help. I just got back into helis after a 14 year absence. Im 51 and i come from a time when my tx was a JR 610. Everything is either RTF or BNF. My 2 Blade helis are RTF. Well I'm about to purchase a 360cfx BNF. I was thinking of the DX 8. What are your thoughts. And can i use this tx for other helicopters as well. Back in the day you had to buy a receiver for that particular radio and a matching channel crystal. Help. Please and thank you. Love the channel. Running the Realflight 9. And with your helpful videos. Im nose in inverted. BTW. The manual has setups fir many Spectrum radios. Just wanted to hear from an expert.
Yes I would stay with the Spectrum brand for sure I love them, and anything 6channel and above will be just fine :)
@@33forsaken thanks buddy
Awesome info.
I have a small question which I believe you might know..
My heli tail banks/falls downwards and heli tilts little left when I punch it hard up-down. Easy flying is okay, & it’s mechanically fine. I am using 6250hx fbl and dx radio. Thank you
Hey buddy, are you meaning that when you apply hard up and down collective the Heli wants to tilt or drift ? Or are you meaning just the tail give a little twitch or gives out on hard collective load?
@@33forsaken Thanks a ton Freddy. During simple forward flight the tail tries to bank down, I have to keep inputting small positive elevator at times. If this was high up in sky the heli can actually perform a back roll by itself.
Also in stationary hover when I do sudden pitch (up-down) pumps then surely the tail tilt/banks downward and the heli tilts slightly left.
I tried to raise the cyclic gains from 65 to 85 but no change. No stability/rescue or any other jazzy stuff enabled. It’s a pretty balanced heli with 386mm RT blades.
Dude- your narration and video editing are phenomenal! You could work just doing video production if you wanted to.
I hope you are still alive Freddy because you make some good informative video's .... I have a raptor 50 can you please recommend an electric equivalent sized helicopter that is also cheap to repair plus what is the advantages of a flybarless system it just costs you more money for the fancy electronics ?
So if I remember the raptor 50 is a class 600. So I would look into the Align or Goblin brand if you want a good quality Heli at a reasonable price. Parts are readily available and cheap as well. E-flight makes a 500-600 I do believe or you can look at clone models as well. However I always say, you will get what you pay for. If your wanting something you can enjoy and will work right, go with the good brand names for sure.
As far as FBL, the benefits go on for days and days. Basically there is no reason to have a fly bar ha ha lets put it that way. However the fly bar still works of course just far out of date.
Awesome..but can't concentrate w the music...why!! You're a great teacher..you don't need the fluff and it ruins it
Eventhought I tuned the weight and balance of my model trying to match RF, my heli does not behave like this, during a flight, comparing to my real flight. it ducks forward and backward during a streight flight. Mine does nt behave like that. It files streight and goes to a lift when the speed grows. I downloaded Trex 700 and despite my tunings at TX, it files more realistic during a streight flight. So It is up to us individually to judge.
Yes the sim will always be way different then real life flying for sure.
Thank you Freddy
Hi Freddy, so I recently received my Blade 400 3d, yes I know she's vintage stock old/new as in never been flown, ( recieved 26 Dec. 2020 ) so I take her out for a maiden flight, on my fifth attempt at hovering, she starts to yaw to the right without any rudder input, could this have been caused by the stock gyro/tail servo failing, I've read about it on the rc heli forums and obviously the inevitable happened. So I now have a GY 401 and Futaba S9257 which I would like to install when convenient, I am still a novice, and what I would like to ask you is this , what setting on the gyro would you recommend as far as percentages are concerned ? also I would like to install the HI-TECH 65 MG servos as well. I'd appreciate your recommendations for the GY 401 though. Thank You !
Hey buddy so I am not the most knowledgeable for Futaba but I can say usually starting around 32% heading hold gain is always a great place to start. Then you can fine tune it from there based on your RPM and model size and what not. They 401 will use the radios Gyro menu for the adjustments.
Freddy. Let's say if I am flying forward and want to make a smooth left turn in a circle I have to add a bit of right eleron during the turn, otherwise the heli will want to tilt left. Is it correct? I did it in Realflight 7.5. By the way, what is your opinion about RF physics? to me it seems pretty realistic. I would say, 95 percent. I edited Aligh 500 FBL, added some weight to the heli in RF because I managed to stick a 4500 mAh 65C 6s battery on my heli) after some modifications. I had to move the canopy like 3 santimeters forward and had to cut 50 milimeters of a fuselage down where battery tray is. Since I put speed fuselage, the tail became kinda heavy.
I would recommend as always to practice in the sim of course, I use NEXT or ACCU RC because they are the most up to date sims that I know of.
But if u feel like ordering spareparts, just quit on RF simulator. Eventhough it is not perfect, but it teaches us how to avoid emergency things.
I use AccuRC and its amazing.
@@33forsaken I will try it for comparison. What do u think, I put Microbeast box right below main shaft, vertically, and if u look from the side, it is symetrical, 90 degrees to the shaft, but in the center of the shaft. I thought I experiment with placements and to me it seems like a perfect swing point of a heli, like a pendulum point, if u know what i mean. I assumed that all smallest deviations occur there, and therefor it react better, rather thean if u put it behind on a general tray. What do u think? I am still having good flying with that setup. Just wanna hear year opinion.
@@33forsaken Sorry for errors in my Eng. I am like doing several things at the same time. I just noticed)
Thanks brotha!
Just subscribed.
So, from what i understood is that rate mode is only needed when u do mechanical adjustments to tail servo and it is not used for flying. Am I correct? You do the flying in HH mode, in general.
Yes very correct the RATE mode will allow the servo to center after a command so you can program and setup. (take in mind now a days with FBL this can vary). then once complete you basically active the GYRO by using HH mode to fly that way the tail can compensate and counter act torque.
@@33forsaken Well explained. Thanks
rate and hh mode have to be assigned to a switch in order to toggle between the two.
But why would anyone want to toggle between the two? You either fly rate OR HH, not both. Right? If you only fly HH, you would just leave the switch at the number 2 position at all times?
great video buddy
lol thanks budddy, i miss ya man u still flyin ? we need to have a fly day this summer
Fred, I love and need this video,but
The back ground really makes it much harder to learn,and adds nothing to what your trying to teach,anyway thanks for this important vidio
Yes these are pretty old, I have changed my setups a lot over the years.
You helped me alot thank you so much
Why that noise (music ??)Thanks
I have a trex 800e,and a dx6 g3 control,could you show me to set the control's gyro that can lock the tail rotor. Thank you
check out my videos on setting up the 3gx buddy it will help
Freddy, got a question for you: if my gyro has a hardware "screw" for tuning the gain does it matter how much is this screw rotated? I set the gain in my DX6i but I wonder if the hardware scre on the gyro influences anything and/or interferes with the gain I set in the Tx. Should I leave that screw at maximum anticlockwise (0 gain), ar maximum clockwise, at 50% or it has no importance?
I have a align trex 500 and I`m running a AR7300BX on it. I did all the set up and every thing is working great. But the tail servo is not working like it should .It is slow and not going all the way left and right and it is slower then the other ones. In the setup mod the servo go's all the way left and right for the end points. I changed the servo but it is the same. I'm using a DX8 radio and the servo is a align DS520 on the tail.
I'd like to see more the trouble shooting the numbers. LIke ... my heli does "this" so I should ajust the gain up or down.
Thanks for posting.
I have the Dx7se but I think the menus must be different. I cannot find the Rudder Sens menus. It does say INH for Norm, Idle 1 & 2... and I can change this, but it doesn't seem to bring up any gyro menus. I can adjust gyro-gain on the radio's Gear setting. I do experience undesired tail behavior when traveling & reversing piro direction.
Is it important to set up a gyro in Rate mode before flying in HH?
Freddy I have kyosho caliber 30 what should the rates be on the dx7s transmitter I have 30.00 rate
Is the Kyoto the gyro or the Heli model. If so what gyro are you using?
Man. I was gonna practice flight nose forward in the park on a basketball field and the whole park came to watch). And I didnt feel like people around to distruct me, so I put it off for next time)
I get it perfect on RF 7, with a beer and distruction from friends. But I will see how it goes in real life
I always hate when that happens
Fly safe buddy
that's weird, the manual on my Devo 7 says: gyro modes, AVCS or NOR, when value set to 50%+ then avcs activates, avcs is also known for "heading hold", then from 0 to 50% is Rate Mode....which is set on the mix switch at 3 pos: 0:75% - 1:70% - 2:50% (rate mode).....or the made manual wrong ?
You are flaying a 3D Helicopter with a Walkera Devo 7 ???
Sorry on the gyro
Its ok no worries
I have a blade 450x and I recently re built the whole thing with a custom house of kolor urethane paint job. It hovers hands off and at high head speed the rudder seems to be locked in and doesn't move. I haven't flown in high rpm yet and don't even fly 3d.not until i get a sim and get some sim time. do I really need to mess with my gyro. a couple of times in the past while flying the heli decided to do a 180 turn on me while flying and almost everytime resulted in a hard landing or crash
Hey Freddy, i kinda get what your saying in this video, and i understand that every radio is different, but im trying to make the connection with my futaba 18mz, and im running flybarless microBeastX. the instructions for the radio dont seem to be very detailed on how i to set up for the heading hold. i wanted to set it up and from what i was told is to set it in heading hold mode all full time.. i guess the terminology is different so i dont understand it. also what is govener, govener2..?
I also have Futaba, its a 6J. Been stumped on tail issue for months. Couldn't find rate/HH mode options in manual til I found out my Futaba ranges are -100 to 0 is rate and +1 to+100 is AVCS or HH. I believe that's how it is, Im set at -49 and tail is acting correctly now
Do you need to activate the gyro when using a newer microbeast x flybarless ??
Freddy can i mess with the poportional gain or esc?
Also do have to asign any of this to switch or can i just set it the way it is in the radio..?
Sup Freddy, you kinda lost me when you say being able to reset the gyro HH Mode.?
Can I use this info for my new DX9?? I mean, is it same kinda same setup?
Great video, but the music is very annoying while ypu speak.
Freddy i got a question how do u fix a tail wag a very small one.
r u flying nitro or electric buddy
Electric an Sr heli....
Turn down the sensitivity by 5% each time until it goes away. If the tail starts drifting, turn it back up 1-2% at a time until its stable.