Sometimes the journey and knowing you put the time and energy into the upgrades are worth more than getting one already upgraded. It’s a blast. Thanks for the video. Appreciate your time
@@Broxty wasted is a strong word. Besides the price tag on these WLToys cars is laughable compared to the big boys. What I actually meant is the process I went through a few times with these little cars. Taught me more than every CZcams video I’ve ever watched on the subject. So now when I put 500 dollar upgrades in a 1000 dollar RC I know exactly what I’m doing and how all the separate pieces work also what tweaks make a real difference and which are pointless wasted time. That said those tiny cars still sit on my shelf unused but upgraded and pretty cool little toys
I bought the 144001 and didn't expect much, but I will say I really like this car, it's quick for an rtr and has been durable, I flipped it 2 different times in the ditch upside down in water, both times I expected it to die, dried it out and it runs great, will definitely bit be changing to brushless but will run brushed a lil longer
What a great video! The 144001 1/14 with a 540 motor is awkward, right/left is extremely not balance, everything runs hot! This mod with a right size motor should improve overall performance! Looking forward for your next video! Thanks, mate!
Hey my friend, thanks for watching, yeah I used to get them from a guy on eBay, but I do not think he sells them anymore. But I just searched "wltoys beetle body."
Best value for the money is a 15T Modified motor with stock ESC and stock pinion on stock lipo. 66km/h. ESC and motor get VERY HOT !!! Therefore, in summer one might better install 2 fans for motor and ESC. I used LRP V10 spec3 15x4 motor (167W - 34.100 rpm).
@@classicvwbugsBro, of course you can NOT run a modified motor on 3s...But the stock motor runs really nice on 3s and Quicrun 1060ESC 👍 I´d rather recommend to upgrade the ESC to the 1060 and run the stock motor on 3s because then you don´t need to fight with the glued motor mount screws and glued pinion gear 🤙 Speed is above 70km/h on 3s. Motor gets quite hot but seems to be able to handle the voltage => 180mAh consumption per minute on 2s and 280mAh consumption per minute on 3s. The stock motor is REALLY REALLY GOOD !!! After 25 years of RC I am SUPER impressed by that 550 can motor 🤯
As popular as this car is i cant believe some one hasn tput together a kit for amazon or ebay to make it simple and easy, one click has everything you need to go brushless with all the parts sorted and all in one package.
I agree, I think because all of these parts are scattered, you have to get them from all different places. I think there is one place that has a kit, but it is with the 3650 motor.
@@classicvwbugs But does it have the matching pinion that goes with the motor? or i guess the 3650 you just run the stock pinion so ou have to do the heating and praying to get the tock parts off. When i say everything i mean like a new motor mount, the correct pitch pinion, drop i servo, cheap radio all the stuff. Your way is good but some of use can do the wrenching but the online leg work is for the birds.
This video helped me alot, addressed alot of worries i had about pinions, weight, etc.. thanks man! I ended up going with a 2440. There are 15t pinions for a959 on ebay that i went with too
Got no tools ? May be LC racing adjustable motor mount for 2838 + 17 tooth pinion (ordered to give a try). Brushless EASYEST upgrade with stock body: Get hobbywing quicrun 10BL120 + surpass hobby 3650 platinum 3100KV or 3600 KV and even on stock 2S it is like having a rocket powering a car, still very good on dirt track. Then I can testimony you will never want an arma limitless for asphalt ! I begun an harem of 144001, already ordered 8 x 144001 and waiting small pinion to make another 2838 superlegera. Have a look on Aliexpress you can even order all LC racing parts to make a monster truck copy of the EMB with all original parts including tires and paint body + body mount + MT bumper for 50€ (ordered them). Got my monster 3650 120 AMP combo with Dumbo RC including gyro and new servo was less than 100€ on ali + stock car was 60€ so the all is way cheaper than an EMB considering motor power and controller range. But EMB would be humiliated regarding speed and power for a 160€ total.
I am really pleased to find this vid. Having just gone with the 3650 sized 4000kv 3s setup I thought I had ruined it, with it now only being any good for speed runs and not fun / bashing.
@@darkki94 because with the 4000kv 3s setup it does a solid 70mph on foams and bashing on the street just rips it to bits. Touch a curb and bends the driveshafts and snaps the hex pins and blows the tire’s off.
@@wasa7 sounds like it will be fine on 2s and even with a bit of reducing on the speed from the controller . Having a 3s capable car doesn't mean you have to use ot at 3s and max speed non stop
@@darkki94 even on 2s it’s it’s still geared for speed not torque so it will rip across a flat road back to back but it’s not as keen off road. It’s still a great little car on the flat.
This video is great and very informative looking to upgrade and have the perfect size system recommended by you. Wil let you all know the outcome. Have a different pinion to add to
I broke my original remote. I purchased a new Dumborc with x6fg receiver. Do I need to purchase a new esc for the Dumborc to work? Will a wp-1060-rtr work? Can I keep the rest stock?
Yes if you are replacing the stock remote, you would have to get a new ESC. Are you still brushed?, the hobbywing 1060 will work fine. servo would have to be changed too.
@@VallonesRCHobby Using the 17t from the tacon. I change the complete center shaft and the differentials from the tacon got tired looking for the 0.7p.
any video of just installing a cheap gyro on a stock rtr wltoys 144001... seems easy,but i was unable to get three different gyros to lock on and work they are hooked up correctly since i used them in several planes i own... but i have a cheap rtr radio... this must have something to do with it... any tips? i tried for 2 hours... all i get is blinking lights on all gyros and they are all plugged in correctly...steering servo does work with radio when everything is plugged in also...thanks
I am new at this hobby I want to upgrade my 124019 to brushless... So that’s maybe 80kmh fast what do I need? Engine... 3S oder 2S??? Servo?? What’s this??? New tires?
Then, If I want to upgrade my 144001 with a 2838 without mod the pinion and the motor mount, Can I do it with the 15t 3.175mm pinion? Greetings from Barcelona!
The stock tires actually are not bad to be honest, but you could try the contact foam tires www.ebay.com/itm/Contact-RC-1-10-Foam-Front-Back-Tires-JAP-Black-Carbon-Wheels-4/133041095880?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
So what is the best way to go? 3650, 2838, or 2440? which is the fastest of the 3 say speed runs? i dont think ive seen a video with all 3 done to compare which is the best to put the money on. Since the new 12th scale version is basicly the same car just longer all of this stuff still applys
Im in need of help. you wouldnt happen to know the correct voltage suppressor on the face of the 550 motor? i connected a 2000mah 3s and it split in half. If i solder a new one in place im good to go. cheers, and great video aswell
Great video... covered a few questions i had about modding this car... can you answer this? what about buying a hobbywing brushed esc like you have and using it with the stock motor??? would it still go into limp mode??? i am fine running this car with stock 2s battery..30 mph is great for me...the main issue is the radio limits us less skilled drivers... would probably buy the jumbo or radio link since they have fine tuning on radios,,, the stock radio does not even have dual rate steering which is a must for me ...anyway just want to know if HW works good with stock motor... the esc on car now works great.. just the radio is my issue with this car...thanks
Hey chris vallone, i have an idea of another video. You put together the different options the smaller can motor, the 540 size brushless and you have the third version with the 3 wire esc and the upgraded 540 motor (13T i think) now can you do a speed test with all three? or have you don that? What speed with the stock pinion 3650 motor, the smaller can and 15T and smaller can with the 17T? or shall i say smaller can 15T and 3s versus smller can 17T 2S and well all the better options which has the best heat to speed yada yada. All the leg work is great the video is great but the end results are still unknown? or is that a 3 part video?
Hey that is something for me to look into yeah. Although I think the interest in this car has dropped a bit since the new wltoys came out, so I might do it on that new one. Thanks for the tip.
I'm back, still waiting on my parts. But I have a question. I belive you mentioned this early in your video but just wanted to be sure. As an option I could get a 540/550 size brushless motor slap on the stock pinon 27t and use the stock motor mount, preferably a new one, and be good to go with no drilling, shaving ect. Am I correct? And 2nd can u confirm for me the what the stock 144001 motor shafts size is? I know your "144001 outted " lol but your the best guy I thought I could ask
How do u you know if the goolrc esc is in lipo mode without the card im waiting for that ....i notice Theres a plug on top that can be pulled off and swapped to another spot any idea thanks great content btw
Hi. Awesome video. Any ideas where to get help with stock problem with my wltoys144001? After 4 runs on flat Asphalt, changed battery and now when I turn on the rc, the steering jerks to the left and the servo hums as if it is trying to turn even further. No response from stock hand controller. What is broke and what do I need to replace? or are any resets possible? Thanks.
@@classicvwbugs Thanks for the quick response. Unfortunately, no. I guess I will have to purchase one to try. While I am at, which upgrade servo do you recommend? Or do I have to upgrade in set/combo only.
Smoked a 540 17t motor with the 1060 w/ cap packs??? Runs ok with a 550 21t but not a lot of power won't wheelie, slow top speed (expected) too. Any ideas?
@@VallonesRCHobby already spent $$ for the brushed upgrade. getting tired of putting good money into bad... Reading some more stuff might be a battery problem... Maybe go 3s and use the 21t or maybe 27t. You said it the gear pitch in these is tough. The hobbywing esc instructions call out battery & gear pitch too...
Ah man, my bad! www.ebay.com/itm/Gorgeous-lexan-baja-bug-body-cover-for-Wltoys-XKS144001-FREE-DIY-LED-light-kit/373153499452?hash=item56e1ae893c:g:nB4AAOSwRylfakGq
@@VallonesRCHobby Figures 😘😘 I just ordered the motor with the 2.3mm shaft since you can still get pinions for that. I guess the cost of buying off brand.
A Tamiya 17 tooth pinion would fit your smaller motor without having to drill the bore as it comes with a 3.175mm bore product number 54628 there not expensive. There on E-Bay 👍
@@VallonesRCHobby yes I forgot about the pitch 🙄 those millimetres count when getting the gears to mesh you’ve gotta get it right. I think a 2838 may be the motor for my 2nd 144001 build? The brushed can of coke it comes with clearly sags the back right end and the 3650 motors come with huge esc’s but I think a smaller amp esc n motor could be the future? I will see how you get on? Keep the video’s coming 😎👍
Order my WL toy rc 411001 2 days ago...i did order a goul brushless motor to run and a 120 amp ESC......trhing to figure out a decently priced controler and trans mitter that isnt over 70 bucks what do you recommend....now you got me thinking i need to upgrade my whole drivetrain on my 411001...im not sure what to do now
Have you run that gool motor, and how does it run? I’m running the 2435 4500kv 25a on a 1/18 Sandy Land/ PX Toys and the motor runs hot, but the esc stays cool. Others have said theirs run hot and run fans.
@@VallonesRCHobby stock, it wasn’t easy to find the pinions either lol go figure. I want to say it’s a 15T 32p but idk gears that well tbh. I counted when I did the upgrade and I’m pretty sure it’s 15. I know I’ve got a spare lying around here, by Haiboxing. I ordered that from a website I can’t remember. The one I’m using I got from some hobby shop state side that only had 2 left on Amazon
What about the metal spur gear? if you change out the spur gear to a more normal not so rare hard to find mod gear pitch then maybe it would open up better options for motors? Why adapt everything to this spur gear when we could cheaply just change that first? I myself would prefer a larger spur and a more common pitch while i was at it. Then think about brushless
That's a good point too. Just would have to look at the drive shaft to see if it can take another spur. Many of these cheaper cars are funny with taking other brand components.
Hey Christian, that is excellent advise! Thank you. Curious if you have gotten the XLF F16? It's the knockoff to the wltoys 144001. I have one and it is way too slow, curious to now the gear pitch on that one, maybe I can use the 12428 pinion. Not sure if you know?
@@VallonesRCHobby Hi! Which receiver would you recommend with the racerstar motor and 35A esc setup? I’m new to this and have no clue 😂😂 Was wondering how to connect the new motor and esc to the original receiver and such.
Did you try aliexpress? You could go 14t, but again, finding it in a .7 mod will be hard I think. You can try the readily available 17t that they sell on banggood for these cars, but then you would have to mod the motor mount to make it fit, or buy the LC racing motor mount so you can adjust it.
@@boxcargames8349 Wow no kidding! It won't hinder too much, if anything it will run cooler. longer, a bit slower, but not much. Just make sure now that the mesh is not too loose to the spur since it might be a bit smaller.
That open can 17t Brushed Motor gets HOT SUPER FAST and they can and will damage your Batteries because the Moto will need more power so it will take it from the battery making the battery hot and in some cases swollen... And i have seen that Moto you have melt through the chassis
I like this brushless kit but i don't like that fact that there is no fan on the ESC..i would onhestly soend a good amount of money on the controler because you can use it with other cars olus it makes the drivability of the car better and much more enjoyable...
Great vid!! i have a question i whant the longest runtime for my son! speed is not the main point he is only 4 and for speed he drives my granite blx. whats my best option or set in going brushless with 2s.
Hey great video by the way. I'm pretty new to modern rc tech. I was wondering if the 2440 brushless puts out the same power as the stock motor in the 144001?
@@classicvwbugstoo cool! Thanks for the info. Your video was really well put together. There's alot of not that great info out there. I will definitely be using the 2440. It's been a pain trying to dodge puddles here in on the Washington coast.
Great video. I'm trying to find a Brushless motor and esc combo. Do you have friends that owns like a 1/12 scale like Bezgar HM123 or Hosim 9155? I'm trying to find the right ones and its taking the toll on me. I'm new to RC and I want to get into the RC Hobby as well.
@@classicvwbugs I have the Hm123 but I don't have the Hosim yet, but I am getting in Jan some time after my Bday. Yes I would like to learn about upgrading those 2.
13:00 => 2440 motor with 4000kv and 15T pinion runs VERY HOT in my 144001 on tarmac (air: 25 Celsisus outside). Can´t put the finger on the motor or 30A Quicrun 1/18 ESC for more than 1 second after draining a 3s Lipo in 9 minutes while always running "full throttle". I would not recommend this combo at all. Speed was also quite disappointing with 68 km/h.
Something is wrong then on your end, I have never run hot at all with that setup. The 15t pinion keeps things cool. maybe the esc is faulty? I know some of the cheap ESCs can crap out and be hit or miss. But I continually ran with a 2440 4600kv motor without issue even on 3s.
@@VallonesRCHobby i might get the motor and also 45a esc to compensate for a second build . I did get the 35a esc and 4600kv to try it out with the gearing that your provided .
i think not worth to buy a cheap shit to upgrade everything on it... You upgraded the motor, esc, servo, receiver, transmitter, and after this needed a stronger drive chain, so basically you need to change almost the all the electronics and half of the car to be strong. I think better to start with a stronger car.
I totally understand, I did a video on that comparing the WLTOYS to the TACON line czcams.com/video/OeDOpCU8wkQ/video.html Understand, some folks want to do their own building and tinkering.
@@classicvwbugs thanks to you in bangood there is another version of the black motor with 6000KV I can use that too. I plan to use the car for off-road purposes. Can I use a better esc for that?
Its a good video but he forgot about the connectors from the motor to the ESC, what ever you get make it a COMBO that way you dont have to order connectors because each brand uses their own size connectors so if you mix and match parts the chances are high they are different connectors
This is the best 144001 mod video so far!
thank you!
100%
Sometimes the journey and knowing you put the time and energy into the upgrades are worth more than getting one already upgraded. It’s a blast. Thanks for the video. Appreciate your time
Ahhhh sounds like the words of someone who wasted money.
@@Broxty 🤣
@@Broxty wasted is a strong word. Besides the price tag on these WLToys cars is laughable compared to the big boys. What I actually meant is the process I went through a few times with these little cars. Taught me more than every CZcams video I’ve ever watched on the subject. So now when I put 500 dollar upgrades in a 1000 dollar RC I know exactly what I’m doing and how all the separate pieces work also what tweaks make a real difference and which are pointless wasted time. That said those tiny cars still sit on my shelf unused but upgraded and pretty cool little toys
I bought the 144001 and didn't expect much, but I will say I really like this car, it's quick for an rtr and has been durable, I flipped it 2 different times in the ditch upside down in water, both times I expected it to die, dried it out and it runs great, will definitely bit be changing to brushless but will run brushed a lil longer
In this Video! We look at the Best Practical Brushless Upgrades WLToys 144001 1/14 Scale Buggy like Tacon and LC Racing.
G'day mate, thanks so much for taking time to tell us about these mods, much appreciated, all the best 👍 👌 Pete Australia
you are welcome my friend!
What a great video! The 144001 1/14 with a 540 motor is awkward, right/left is extremely not balance, everything runs hot! This mod with a right size motor should improve overall performance! Looking forward for your next video! Thanks, mate!
Very cool man, thank you.
Or just buy the brushless 124017
Love the videos! Working on some 14401s with my son and wife. Wife really wants the beetle body shell. Where’d you get yours? I can’t find that one!
Hey my friend, thanks for watching, yeah I used to get them from a guy on eBay, but I do not think he sells them anymore. But I just searched "wltoys beetle body."
Best value for the money is a 15T Modified motor with stock ESC and stock pinion on stock lipo. 66km/h. ESC and motor get VERY HOT !!! Therefore, in summer one might better install 2 fans for motor and ESC. I used LRP V10 spec3 15x4 motor (167W - 34.100 rpm).
Yeah I put a 13t in there with stock pinion and upgraded esc to HW 1060 esc, and it cooked on 3s. But ran ok on 2s. But yeah got hot.
@@classicvwbugsBro, of course you can NOT run a modified motor on 3s...But the stock motor runs really nice on 3s and Quicrun 1060ESC 👍 I´d rather recommend to upgrade the ESC to the 1060 and run the stock motor on 3s because then you don´t need to fight with the glued motor mount screws and glued pinion gear 🤙 Speed is above 70km/h on 3s. Motor gets quite hot but seems to be able to handle the voltage => 180mAh consumption per minute on 2s and 280mAh consumption per minute on 3s. The stock motor is REALLY REALLY GOOD !!! After 25 years of RC I am SUPER impressed by that 550 can motor 🤯
@@19Marc79 Good call. It's too bad tho, the 13t I have is good for 3s, and so is the ESC. I think the 27t pinion is the culprit, draws a lot.
@@19Marc79 You are correct. I do have the original motor with the 1060 esc and runs great on 3S.
@@MiltonAPrado-lo1po Yes, it does :) I got my 1060 ESC on ebay for just 20 EUR incl. shipping. Arrived a few days later. => Best bang for the buck !!!
quadifyrc is the man! theres a 144001 FB group. hes in there. along with a bunch of other 144001 masters.
As popular as this car is i cant believe some one hasn tput together a kit for amazon or ebay to make it simple and easy, one click has everything you need to go brushless with all the parts sorted and all in one package.
I agree, I think because all of these parts are scattered, you have to get them from all different places. I think there is one place that has a kit, but it is with the 3650 motor.
@@classicvwbugs But does it have the matching pinion that goes with the motor? or i guess the 3650 you just run the stock pinion so ou have to do the heating and praying to get the tock parts off. When i say everything i mean like a new motor mount, the correct pitch pinion, drop i servo, cheap radio all the stuff. Your way is good but some of use can do the wrenching but the online leg work is for the birds.
@@crunchchannel9391 Yeah here ya go my friend, actually came down in price www.wltoysrc.com/home/4080-wltoys-xk-144001-brushless-motor-kit.html
I’ll echo the last number, best video so far of the wltoys!
I appreciate that, thank you.
Lol I got that tip from that dude with the buggy helped me save loads of money
This video helped me alot, addressed alot of worries i had about pinions, weight, etc.. thanks man! I ended up going with a 2440. There are 15t pinions for a959 on ebay that i went with too
Very good! Yeah I went with the 2440 as well in one of the WL cars, and it works well.
Awesome video! The one I've been looking for, thanks, it will definitely help my Mod.
Thank you! Good luck.
Great video and explanation many thanks
Go use the x6 dumborc transmitter with gyro! € 26 and has a sick range!! Super fast and compareble to sanwa trans!!
The best detailed video. Thanks alot 👍
you are very welcome
The 2440 looks like fun. 😃👍🏻
I agree Dave, thanks! Hope you are well.
Got no tools ? May be LC racing adjustable motor mount for 2838 + 17 tooth pinion (ordered to give a try). Brushless EASYEST upgrade with stock body: Get hobbywing quicrun 10BL120 + surpass hobby 3650 platinum 3100KV or 3600 KV and even on stock 2S it is like having a rocket powering a car, still very good on dirt track. Then I can testimony you will never want an arma limitless for asphalt ! I begun an harem of 144001, already ordered 8 x 144001 and waiting small pinion to make another 2838 superlegera. Have a look on Aliexpress you can even order all LC racing parts to make a monster truck copy of the EMB with all original parts including tires and paint body + body mount + MT bumper for 50€ (ordered them). Got my monster 3650 120 AMP combo with Dumbo RC including gyro and new servo was less than 100€ on ali + stock car was 60€ so the all is way cheaper than an EMB considering motor power and controller range. But EMB would be humiliated regarding speed and power for a 160€ total.
Great video! Thank you!
thank you!
Thank you for all these good advice, nice rc car !!💯😄👍🏽👍🏽
I am really pleased to find this vid.
Having just gone with the 3650 sized 4000kv 3s setup I thought I had ruined it, with it now only being any good for speed runs and not fun / bashing.
why is it good for speed runs only ?
@@darkki94 because with the 4000kv 3s setup it does a solid 70mph on foams and bashing on the street just rips it to bits. Touch a curb and bends the driveshafts and snaps the hex pins and blows the tire’s off.
@@wasa7 sounds like it will be fine on 2s and even with a bit of reducing on the speed from the controller . Having a 3s capable car doesn't mean you have to use ot at 3s and max speed non stop
@@darkki94 even on 2s it’s it’s still geared for speed not torque so it will rip across a flat road back to back but it’s not as keen off road.
It’s still a great little car on the flat.
@@wasa7 well i found the stock motor+maunt+pinion gear from the 124016 V2 for around 30$ , just get one and it should be good.
This video is great and very informative looking to upgrade and have the perfect size system recommended by you. Wil let you all know the outcome. Have a different pinion to add to
Very cool, keep me posted. I finally got some of my parts in and I am ready to do an upgrade this weekend.
I broke my original remote. I purchased a new Dumborc with x6fg receiver. Do I need to purchase a new esc for the Dumborc to work? Will a wp-1060-rtr work? Can I keep the rest stock?
Yes if you are replacing the stock remote, you would have to get a new ESC. Are you still brushed?, the hobbywing 1060 will work fine. servo would have to be changed too.
@classicvwbugs
I have the Rlaarlo Croboll CTR, and I'm trying to upgrade my motor with one that will fit, has more RPMs, and is 3S capable.
Help???
Is this still the best solution to fitting a tacon sized motor in the 144001? I was hoping for something with less mods on the motor mount / pinion.
I found it to be the better way of going about it.
Lower KV + 3S. Winning
Great video 💯💯💯💯
Great channel and very cool guy!
thank you!
Turn the body around it totally makes the body function as it was supposed to
You can get the motor mount from the tacon is only 11.99 an put it on the Wltoys and you got some adjustments, Did that on mine.
Milton, thanks so much for that info! I didn't even think to use that mount. Now you got me buying again! haha
Milton, what pinion are you using?
Where did you find the motor mount? I only find one source on ebay, and it is in china, over a month to get it.
@@VallonesRCHobby Using the 17t from the tacon. I change the complete center shaft and the differentials from the tacon got tired looking for the 0.7p.
Can you use the stock remote from the 144001 with an upgraded brushless/esc?
no, once you upgrade electronics, you have to get a transmitter with receiver.
i did the exact same thing as you. i wanted a buggy that can do speed run, bashing around and some racing
any video of just installing a cheap gyro on a stock rtr wltoys 144001... seems easy,but i was unable to get three different gyros to lock on and work they are hooked up correctly since i used them in several planes i own... but i have a cheap rtr radio... this must have something to do with it... any tips? i tried for 2 hours... all i get is blinking lights on all gyros and they are all plugged in correctly...steering servo does work with radio when everything is plugged in also...thanks
Question - What about an adjustable motor seat? I have seen those being installed.....to accommodate different pinion gears?
Yes if you are going to use one, go with the LC racing red mount, it is more suitable for this buggy.
good info
thank you!
I am new at this hobby I want to upgrade my 124019 to brushless... So that’s maybe 80kmh fast what do I need? Engine... 3S oder 2S??? Servo?? What’s this??? New tires?
Nope, just follow this video, and you are fine.
Having a brushless motor and knowing your kv for the motor higher is better for speed runs also spur and pinion have alot to do with speed
Would the race star 6080 kv be a different set up ? Same plug and play with aftermarket pinion you have in description
As long as you have the right can size, yeah it would bolt up. But you may have to go higher esc Im thinking with that KV. Maybe?
Then, If I want to upgrade my 144001 with a 2838 without mod the pinion and the motor mount, Can I do it with the 15t 3.175mm pinion? Greetings from Barcelona!
yessir. But the only 15t pinions I find that are in the .7 mod form, need to be drilled out in the center. Unless someone out there knows a source?
@@classicvwbugs I bought one from aliexpress but it don't le me post a reply with the url with the item 😭
@@hectoralonsobenito3134 Hola, ya lo pusiste? funciona bien? puedes poner el enlace? debería dejarte poner enlaces.
I am using a surpass 2835 motor and a 15t pinion, which wheel do you think would be the best for asphalt running? Thanks.
The stock tires actually are not bad to be honest, but you could try the contact foam tires www.ebay.com/itm/Contact-RC-1-10-Foam-Front-Back-Tires-JAP-Black-Carbon-Wheels-4/133041095880?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
So what is the best way to go? 3650, 2838, or 2440? which is the fastest of the 3 say speed runs? i dont think ive seen a video with all 3 done to compare which is the best to put the money on. Since the new 12th scale version is basicly the same car just longer all of this stuff still applys
I did the videos on the 2838 and the 2440, not the 3650. There are lots of videos on YT with that motor. But yeah the 2440 had the best performance.
Im in need of help. you wouldnt happen to know the correct voltage suppressor on the face of the 550 motor? i connected a 2000mah 3s and it split in half. If i solder a new one in place im good to go. cheers, and great video aswell
Great video... covered a few questions i had about modding this car... can you answer this? what about buying a hobbywing brushed esc like you have and using it with the stock motor??? would it still go into limp mode??? i am fine running this car with stock 2s battery..30 mph is great for me...the main issue is the radio limits us less skilled drivers... would probably buy the jumbo or radio link since they have fine tuning on radios,,, the stock radio does not even have dual rate steering which is a must for me ...anyway just want to know if HW works good with stock motor... the esc on car now works great.. just the radio is my issue with this car...thanks
Oh yeah on the stock setup you should be totally fine.
Hey chris vallone, i have an idea of another video. You put together the different options the smaller can motor, the 540 size brushless and you have the third version with the 3 wire esc and the upgraded 540 motor (13T i think) now can you do a speed test with all three? or have you don that? What speed with the stock pinion 3650 motor, the smaller can and 15T and smaller can with the 17T? or shall i say smaller can 15T and 3s versus smller can 17T 2S and well all the better options which has the best heat to speed yada yada. All the leg work is great the video is great but the end results are still unknown? or is that a 3 part video?
Hey that is something for me to look into yeah. Although I think the interest in this car has dropped a bit since the new wltoys came out, so I might do it on that new one. Thanks for the tip.
You can just buy a pinion from a A959b and use drill to bore out to 2.3mm. Easy
I'm back, still waiting on my parts. But I have a question. I belive you mentioned this early in your video but just wanted to be sure. As an option I could get a 540/550 size brushless motor slap on the stock pinon 27t and use the stock motor mount, preferably a new one, and be good to go with no drilling, shaving ect. Am I correct? And 2nd can u confirm for me the what the stock 144001 motor shafts size is? I know your "144001 outted " lol but your the best guy I thought I could ask
1st, yes that is correct. 2nd 3.175mm. Hope that helps my friend. Good luck! =o) Thanks for the compliments.
How do u you know if the goolrc esc is in lipo mode without the card im waiting for that ....i notice Theres a plug on top that can be pulled off and swapped to another spot any idea thanks great content btw
Thats a good question, will have to look into that.
helllo mate, where can i find the vw body been looking for one so please send me a link. thanks for your time.
check eBay, sear wltoys 144001 beetle body
hi, how did you get the 4 body posts plz?
For the beetle body? They come with the body when you order.
@@VallonesRCHobby cheers
Great vid
When you switch to brushless which steering servo do you use? I’m struggling to find a small enough servo with the 3 wire plug to plug into my ESC
check out my build video on the 144001, I have a link in the description to the servo you need.
@@VallonesRCHobby thank you
Hi. Awesome video. Any ideas where to get help with stock problem with my wltoys144001? After 4 runs on flat Asphalt, changed battery and now when I turn on the rc, the steering jerks to the left and the servo hums as if it is trying to turn even further. No response from stock hand controller. What is broke and what do I need to replace? or are any resets possible? Thanks.
Do you have a spare servo laying around to try out?
@@classicvwbugs Thanks for the quick response. Unfortunately, no. I guess I will have to purchase one to try. While I am at, which upgrade servo do you recommend? Or do I have to upgrade in set/combo only.
@@michaelowens9380 Yeah if you go with a new servo (three wire) you need to change the other electronics. But a good servo is the PDI-1181MG.
@@classicvwbugs many thanks! Keep up the great videos. Great for rookies just getting into it with thier kids.
@@michaelowens9380 U bet man, good luck!
Smoked a 540 17t motor with the 1060 w/ cap packs??? Runs ok with a 550 21t but not a lot of power won't wheelie, slow top speed (expected) too. Any ideas?
Have you thought about a brushless upgrade?
@@VallonesRCHobby already spent $$ for the brushed upgrade. getting tired of putting good money into bad... Reading some more stuff might be a battery problem... Maybe go 3s and use the 21t or maybe 27t. You said it the gear pitch in these is tough. The hobbywing esc instructions call out battery & gear pitch too...
Great video, very details on brushless MOD! No links for the cool baja bug cover?
Ah man, my bad! www.ebay.com/itm/Gorgeous-lexan-baja-bug-body-cover-for-Wltoys-XKS144001-FREE-DIY-LED-light-kit/373153499452?hash=item56e1ae893c:g:nB4AAOSwRylfakGq
Awsome vid man verry interesting love them body mounts u put on the buggy great idea where can I find them any help would be much appreciated
Nevermind found what I was looking for in the comments
thank you!
Is there an upgrade spur to change it over to 48pitch? If so, wouldn't that make it easier to find pinions that fit?
You maybe right, I have not seen one for this buggy.
@@VallonesRCHobby Figures 😘😘 I just ordered the motor with the 2.3mm shaft since you can still get pinions for that. I guess the cost of buying off brand.
@@etxkevin7452 you won't be disappointed, she runs awesome with that setup.
A Tamiya 17 tooth pinion would fit your smaller motor without having to drill the bore as it comes with a 3.175mm bore product number 54628 there not expensive. There on E-Bay 👍
Yes but the mod/pitch is different from a Tamiya pinion. it won't mesh well with the wltoys spur.
@@VallonesRCHobby yes I forgot about the pitch 🙄 those millimetres count when getting the gears to mesh you’ve gotta get it right. I think a 2838 may be the motor for my 2nd 144001 build? The brushed can of coke it comes with clearly sags the back right end and the 3650 motors come with huge esc’s but I think a smaller amp esc n motor could be the future? I will see how you get on? Keep the video’s coming 😎👍
@@Andym1159 Or the 2440 motor, that worked great!
Try a 5400 KV motor 2838 with a 45 amp ESC you'll probably have to modify the ESC but it works great like that and put a fan on the motor
Hello, tell me where you bought the car frame beetle
eBay
Order my WL toy rc 411001 2 days ago...i did order a goul brushless motor to run and a 120 amp ESC......trhing to figure out a decently priced controler and trans mitter that isnt over 70 bucks what do you recommend....now you got me thinking i need to upgrade my whole drivetrain on my 411001...im not sure what to do now
Dumborc x6
Have you run that gool motor, and how does it run? I’m running the 2435 4500kv 25a on a 1/18 Sandy Land/ PX Toys and the motor runs hot, but the esc stays cool. Others have said theirs run hot and run fans.
I have not had that issue no. Runs real good. What kind of gearing are you running?
@@VallonesRCHobby stock, it wasn’t easy to find the pinions either lol go figure. I want to say it’s a 15T 32p but idk gears that well tbh. I counted when I did the upgrade and I’m pretty sure it’s 15. I know I’ve got a spare lying around here, by Haiboxing. I ordered that from a website I can’t remember. The one I’m using I got from some hobby shop state side that only had 2 left on Amazon
What about the metal spur gear? if you change out the spur gear to a more normal not so rare hard to find mod gear pitch then maybe it would open up better options for motors? Why adapt everything to this spur gear when we could cheaply just change that first? I myself would prefer a larger spur and a more common pitch while i was at it. Then think about brushless
That's a good point too. Just would have to look at the drive shaft to see if it can take another spur. Many of these cheaper cars are funny with taking other brand components.
What beetle body is that? I want one, where can I buy 1? Thanks!
Which body mounts are you using for the Baja body? By the way, the presentation of the information was great.
When you buy the beetle body, it comes with new mounts that install onto the existing 144 shock towers.
Hi great info! Where can I buy the beetle body?
@@jimd.226 there is a fella on ebay selling them. search 144001 beetle body or bug body.
I found the baja body but its nearly the same price for shipping to the UK 🙄🙄
Buy 12428 pinion instead.. 17t pinion with 3.175mm shaft.
Hey Christian, that is excellent advise! Thank you. Curious if you have gotten the XLF F16? It's the knockoff to the wltoys 144001. I have one and it is way too slow, curious to now the gear pitch on that one, maybe I can use the 12428 pinion. Not sure if you know?
@@VallonesRCHobby sorry mate i don't own that XLF F16.. 😁
@@ChrisMIXvlog ok cool, no worries.
is the 12428 pinion a .7 mod pitch?
@@VallonesRCHobby i think all wl toys used same 32dp. My a959 A979-B 12428 have same pitch.
On them motors you can use Traxxas mini revo pinion gear
Will it connect to the same controller if you get a brushless esc and what's the difference of runtime on brushed and brushless
Once you change the ESC, you need a new controller and receiver.
@@VallonesRCHobby Hi! Which receiver would you recommend with the racerstar motor and 35A esc setup? I’m new to this and have no clue 😂😂 Was wondering how to connect the new motor and esc to the original receiver and such.
@@Duereid Nah just get the dumboRC x6 transmitter w receiver with gyro.
Great video.....
Thank you!
Would a 14T pinion work on this? Hobby kings is out of stock on the 15T
Did you try aliexpress? You could go 14t, but again, finding it in a .7 mod will be hard I think. You can try the readily available 17t that they sell on banggood for these cars, but then you would have to mod the motor mount to make it fit, or buy the LC racing motor mount so you can adjust it.
Hobby kings has a 14T .7 mod available.. just wondering if it would drastically hinder performance. Awesome channel btw!
@@boxcargames8349 Wow no kidding! It won't hinder too much, if anything it will run cooler. longer, a bit slower, but not much. Just make sure now that the mesh is not too loose to the spur since it might be a bit smaller.
That open can 17t Brushed Motor gets HOT SUPER FAST and they can and will damage your Batteries because the Moto will need more power so it will take it from the battery making the battery hot and in some cases swollen... And i have seen that Moto you have melt through the chassis
I agree, thats why I did away with it. The 15t brushless setup I think is great.
where can i get the black beetle body shell?
I like this brushless kit but i don't like that fact that there is no fan on the ESC..i would onhestly soend a good amount of money on the controler because you can use it with other cars olus it makes the drivability of the car better and much more enjoyable...
Great vid!! i have a question i whant the longest runtime for my son! speed is not the main point he is only 4 and for speed he drives my granite blx.
whats my best option or set in going brushless with 2s.
thanx
@@Server195 How long do you want to run for? You could go with a 2200mah battery, stay on 2s, and probably get 20 min or so.
Smells like my 124018 after driving in the snow
Hy. What body is that on
the black beetle ? 😎
Hey great video by the way. I'm pretty new to modern rc tech. I was wondering if the 2440 brushless puts out the same power as the stock motor in the 144001?
Actually more, my speeds were way better than than the brushed motor.
@@classicvwbugstoo cool! Thanks for the info. Your video was really well put together. There's alot of not that great info out there. I will definitely be using the 2440. It's been a pain trying to dodge puddles here in on the Washington coast.
@@chadwestwood9843 I appreciate the compliments, thank you. Good luck with your rig, keep me posted.
@@VallonesRCHobby will do, have a good one!
Do you have a video of you driving the brushless 144001?
It's coming, just waiting for a few more parts to come in that are taking forever.
Can’t you just use Tamiya pinions? Same pitch?
Or is it .6?
@@rcmindset2876 Yeah I don't think tamiya is .7, it is an odd pitch. It is so tough to find them too.
Where can I get that beetle body at.
I got it on eBay
Hi what is black coque plz?
Where did you get the bug body?
There is a guy on ebay out of Cali. Do a search for wltoys 144001 beetle body. They come with LEDs too.
Im just gonna buy the brushless verdion of the 411001 then upgrade the brushless version..
Did you try the motor mount of the lc racing into the 144001? Would it fit??
I got the motor mounts in from LC, I have not tried it yet, still waiting on some other parts. Once I get it all together, I will do a vid.
I had some issues getting it in, very tight.
@@VallonesRCHobby but, does fit ? =o
@@CaaperuZZo It fits, but is tight.
If you’re into these cars check out @rcmodsquad the bob ross of RC cars. Great tips and just a cool older guy still doin’ the dam thing
oh hell yeah I love Dave! I interviewed him on my channel.
Great video. I'm trying to find a Brushless motor and esc combo. Do you have friends that owns like a 1/12 scale like Bezgar HM123 or Hosim 9155? I'm trying to find the right ones and its taking the toll on me. I'm new to RC and I want to get into the RC Hobby as well.
Do you have those two trucks? You are looking to upgrade those?
@@classicvwbugs I have the Hm123 but I don't have the Hosim yet, but I am getting in Jan some time after my Bday. Yes I would like to learn about upgrading those 2.
@@BanditAviation I personally have not upgraded those RC's, but I think Perth oz rc channel has.
How fast will it run?
I have videos on the upgrade.
U DID THAT---IM STARTIN NEWBIES LIKE MY SELF CAN U SEND ME LIKE 3 SET UPS ------NO GRINDING
Not sure what you mean...
Shaft adapter is $7.99 now!
So there’s no way to gear down the spur gear?
Hmmm there might be a way to get the LC racing spur to use.
Where you get the bug body?
eBay
@@VallonesRCHobby thanks!
Can anyone find the hobbykings pinion?
You have to factor in shipping costs + your total in parts and Im guessing at least $25.00....Unless of course all those parts shipped free....
13:00 => 2440 motor with 4000kv and 15T pinion runs VERY HOT in my 144001 on tarmac (air: 25 Celsisus outside). Can´t put the finger on the motor or 30A Quicrun 1/18 ESC for more than 1 second after draining a 3s Lipo in 9 minutes while always running "full throttle". I would not recommend this combo at all. Speed was also quite disappointing with 68 km/h.
Something is wrong then on your end, I have never run hot at all with that setup. The 15t pinion keeps things cool. maybe the esc is faulty? I know some of the cheap ESCs can crap out and be hit or miss. But I continually ran with a 2440 4600kv motor without issue even on 3s.
@@VallonesRCHobby Strange...Which timing did you use ?
@@19Marc79 Stock out the box, no change to it.
Would love to see the update on this build not sure if you got to bash it around yet . Let us know.
I did, I got to filming one yesterday. Stay tuned.
Niceee!
@@johnabreu7670 Also, the 6080kv motor might be a lil ballistic! =o)
@@VallonesRCHobby i might get the motor and also 45a esc to compensate for a second build . I did get the 35a esc and 4600kv to try it out with the gearing that your provided .
@@johnabreu7670 very good, let me know how you make out
Put Absima motor and 60 amp speed controller into it like i have done.
i think not worth to buy a cheap shit to upgrade everything on it... You upgraded the motor, esc, servo, receiver, transmitter, and after this needed a stronger drive chain, so basically you need to change almost the all the electronics and half of the car to be strong. I think better to start with a stronger car.
I totally understand, I did a video on that comparing the WLTOYS to the TACON line czcams.com/video/OeDOpCU8wkQ/video.html Understand, some folks want to do their own building and tinkering.
For 20$ I would get a Dumborc transmitter 4 or 6 channel.
I got one!
I am from Germany and in my bangood it dont give this ESC.
Does sombody know a Others one
I want to build it in my wltoys 124019 so it is not Important how Big but it should be affordable
@@klaus6068 any 35a or 45a esc for brushless should be fine.
@@classicvwbugs thanks to you in bangood there is another version of the black motor with 6000KV I can use that too. I plan to use the car for off-road purposes. Can I use a better esc for that?
@@klaus6068 You can sure, just watch the size of the esc, some are tough to fit with the body on it.
@@classicvwbugs thank you that helped me much
Why not just buy the brushless 124017??
Hmmm, because at the time of this video 10/14/2020, that car was not available.
@@classicvwbugs Yea thats fair.... safe to say that's the new superior best deal for the price.
I watched the funny and informative video well. You have a good hobby. Want to be a close friend.
우리 친구해요.~🤗🤗🤗
Its a good video but he forgot about the connectors from the motor to the ESC, what ever you get make it a COMBO that way you dont have to order connectors because each brand uses their own size connectors so if you mix and match parts the chances are high they are different connectors