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It’s interesting how the Chinese were trained and equipped by the Germans around the 1930’s before WW2 yet the Chinese were invaded so easily by the Japanese, does that mean Japanese doctrine is superior to German doctrine? Probably not but can people please tell me why the Japanese managte to conquer Almost half of China but fail to conquer India?
@@razr-x9666 Only very few Chinese Units we're actually trained and equipped by the Germans and these units usually performed very well against the Japanese, there were just not enough of them to make a big difference in the war. An example of such a unit would be the 88th division of the Chinese nationalist army.
@@razr-x9666 the japanese didn't invade china at ease in fact it was the exact opposite, the chinese despite being considered poorly-equipped by europe's militaries were able to repel offensives launched by the japanese thanks to a people's war and protracted war being waged instead of favoring pitched battles and frontal assaults, only japanese propaganda says otherwise.
Daimler-Benz was mostly responsible for plane engines just like BMW. The real deal for tanks were Henschel (Tiger), Porsche (The tank whose name is not to be said), MAN (Panther), Rheinmetall (cannons), Maybach (motors) and Krupp
The world wars have always interested me, not because of the sheer amount of power or brutal consequences of both, but the technology used during them. It’s crazy to think that people came up with these and put them into action.
Yes, I agree with you. But I also realized, that so much technology potencial was destroyed during war, scientists were killed, factories were bombed, and those who weren't were producing tanks instead of cars, poisons instead of medicines. If someone says (not you), that wars gave us technology, it is partly true. Yes, we gained some technologies due to war, but the number technologies we lost is even higher.
hans we need better transmission hans: you mean thicker armor? nein has we need better transmisson hans: you mean bigger kannon? nein hans we need better transmission hans: you mean battleship kannon? ja hans its that i mean hans
@@eerolehtila4761 Tiger P was only a prototype of the Porsche Company that didn't win over the Henschel Prototype. Either way the chassis built were used to built the Ferdinand a.k.a. Elefant.
building really good tanks is not enough when they are produced in low numbers and unreliable AF (plus having far too great fuel consumption) see the prod numbers, compare that to the us and russia... unless you are talking about post ww2
@@NotAreaSP The VIII is highly misleading. Like other super heavy tanks this was just a concept prototype. The program was terminated and its equivalent in the E-series development which was the actual plan for future tanks in the Wehrmacht was scrapped as well. So it never was Panzer VIII. The other misleading part is the implication that the Wehrmacht went with super heavy tank craze when those heavy tanks were dedicated for particular roles, in the case of Tiger I before WW2 even started. Their equivalent in the Soviet army were the KV series and IS series and just like them they were never intended to replace all tanks, but be the spearheads in offensives. The problem for Germany: After 1942 they were never again on the offensive so those tanks were used outside their mission spectrum. And even the denial of still building them can be explained: The entire German military doctrine for centuries was pretty clear that you needed to bring down the enemy you need to go on the offensive... otherwise you lose the war... because German geography is crap for defense... oh dear... oh dear.
@@LyvlonLP 9 times out of 10 if a car suffers a no-worky without crashing into anything, the issue is in the engine or drivetrain. Being able to swap engines means you can keep the actual car running for decades, and just swap engines whenever it breaks. This, in theory, means that instead of having to build 1000 new humvees each year to replace attrition, you only need to build 100 humvees and 900 humvee engines. Unfortunately, nowadays consumer cars are designed to be "single use," even though most broken down cars that haven't been totalled in an accident could easily function with a new engine. It's kind of crazy when you think about it, we literally throw away an entire car because a part or two in the engine doesn't work, simply because it's cheaper and easier to buy an entire new identical car than fix the one or two items that broke. It's that hard to replace an engine in a car, that in most cases it just makes more sense to buy an entire new car. The comparison in the original comment isn't a very good one though, since the engines are VERY different. One is a turbine, the other is a regular combustion engine. Comparing the two when it comes to replacement times is like comparing the time it takes to replace an aircraft propeller with the time it takes to replace a boat propeller. They are similar, but have a lot of major differences, it's an "apples to oranges" comparison.
OMG this is easily my favorite tanks video in all CZcams. Nice voice pace, nice engineering-looking blueprints that lead to beautiful animated graphics and good information! Such an awesome piece of art that this video is!
@@grimmshredsanguinus2915 the only thing that is mighty is probably the gun, the armour even though is quite strong, its welding quality is worse then early panzers (?). And remember that "big cats" are overweight and has underpowered engine with fragile suspension after 1943
@@grimmshredsanguinus2915 mighty is a heavy overstatement. If one made it to combat, the allied forces could just dodge it and wait for it to run out of fuel or break down, then take the crew prisoner.
@@feivellazuardi1867 it’s not such a big surprise it’s welding was poor. Germany was losing the war by the time the King Tiger entered production, so I’m guessing production of King Tigers had to be rushed and they were sent off to the front as quickly as possible.
@@charles5895 yea, i think i read somewhere where a tiger 2's front armor got hit by 100mm or 122mm ap shell, it bounce and left a huge crack on the front plate. By the time it's abandoned, the tank can't move bcz the upper plate is already shatter into pieces
The Virgin Tiger I: - only a handful, "quality over quantity" - gets one-shotted by a 57mm from the side and rear - gets one-shotted by a 17-pndr from the angled front - often not used for its intended role as a breakthrough tank The GigaChad Sturmgeschütz III: - has seen combat in every german theatre due to being mass produced - doesn't matter if it's killed, another one will take its place - 75mm gun can destroy any allied tank short of a Churchill, Sherman Jumbo, or KV-1/IS-2 - picks its battles, has a good win/loss encounter rate
Hans : can I get my Porsche repair? some thing wrong with the engine and transmission. Porsche Facility : Sure? What is the model? 911? 950? Hans : Nein! VK 4501 (P)
fun fact: While the literal translation "king tiger" for the German "Königstiger" has very early on become common place in the English speaking world, the correct English name of the animal it is named after is "Bengal Tiger".
To be fair, German tanks during WWII didn't start suffering from that problem until after the PzKpfw IV. It wasn't until the cats that German tanks started to have issue with their reliability.
@@Yes-ct1md Not wanting to sound like an ass but there is no Panzerkampfwagen Leopard 1 or 2. Infact the word Panzerkampfwagen is not being used anymore at all.
Can't forget about the Panzer III Ausf. N, an infantry support model of the Panzer III with the same skirts as the Panzer III Ausf. M, but with a short-barreled 75 mm gun.
Probably figuring out how to made an "environmentally-friendly, low carbon emission" tank with efficient electric motors, EV batteries encapsuled in armour, and 130mm Rheinmetall cannon, and named it PzKpfw Karakal.
@@fatchins9126 Idk what cat names are left lol. We've had a "Luchs" before. I think the only name left is "Hauskatze" (domestic cat). Would be fitting for an electric tank.
“only real shortcoming of the tiger was the lack of units” *transmission breaks, suspension collapses, engine fails, road wheels get stuck, lack of parts, very difficult to maintain*
I wouldn't say that they are espacially over exaggerated. The Tiger tank wasn't designed to be easy to maintain or cheap to repair. It was designed to be a breakthrough tank. Basically being deployed where the enemy is especially stubborn, breaking through their defenses and going back to the next depot where they would have the time, space and resources to be fixed properly. After all germany would be on the offense, taking land and could decide where and when to advance. The role it was pressed into was very different with the Wehrmacht being on the defense, losing ground and being short on supplies, where the shortcomings started to be more noticable. I.e. you couldn't just recover vehicles that broke down, due to an overheated engine or failing transmission, during an fight right after, since the ground they fought on would be lost to the advancing enemy (soviets or allies) and they have a bit of a problem with an german tank towing truck just driving through their lines, recovering a 60t vehicle and towing it back to a german depot. Oh and on a side note: german tanks where notriously difficult to repair, my favorite example would be when the transmission on a Panzer III needs to be exchanged. Step 1: get some cranes. Step 2: REMOVE THE TURRET OF THE TANK Step 3: Losen some easy to excess bolts Step 4: REMOVE THE UPPER HALF OF THE HULL Saw some pictures of that process and it was a very interesting sight.
@@lucky_x8367 Although certain German tanks were difficult to repair, this isn't true across the board, the Panzer 4 was easy to repair, and even the more troublesome vehicles like the Panther and Tiger could be easily repaired depending on what was broken, engine replacement on the big cats for example was easy.
@@columba5627 It was 3 months ago. It probably was a joke. The tiger had many flaws especially the panther. There is no such as "The best tank of the war" If you think about it, every tank has a designed environment for them especially WW2.
The only mobilised formation that was succesful in mountains was the italian cavalary formations at stalino and the german panzers in greece. Homewer i couldnt find german panzers fighting in mouintains so Rudolfo Graziani and the italian expeditionary force is victorious.and i gotta remind you that Ardennes was bot a forest and hilly. Also a common misconseption, Rommel didint fought in the Ardennes. He had broke through the strongest part of the maginot line at Metz. He used tanks to distract the enemies so her motorcycle infantry could flank the line and attack from behind. he opened a gap in the maginot line and exploiter it to make a breakthroug to the sea.
It would be more interesting for the Soviets if they added in the Cold War Period. That was when a lot of Soviet tanks were developed, not so much during WW2
I feel that (with the exception of the panther) they never learned from captured tanks and kept making boxes for hulls, relying just on the thickness of the armor to protect them
Can you please make a video focusing on the entire Korean War? It is such a important war for context of modern history in Asia and almost completely forgotten/overshadowed by WW2 and Vietnam.
5:08 thank you for putting Beethoven's 7th Symphony Second Movement, I really enjoy this piece, and I'm learning how to play Liszt's transcription of it for the piano (fun fact about this piece: it used to be one of the Menu songs for War Thunder, but in the New Power update got removed I believe)
it should be noted that of the ww2 era tanks "these where used until the end of the war." is not always a sighn that they are a good desighn or a boast. Its a sighn that the germans where woefully out matched in industry and need to press everything they could into combat
Me, a WoT player: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that" Nah, I've played War Thunder as well and it's a good game, but the progression is painfully slow even with Premium. And also don't like dying in 1 shot most of the time, I know that it's supposed to be realistic, but still...
@@stoda01 I know nobody asked about my opinion but I wouldn't say it's one of the better tanks of WW2. It suffered from mechanical breakdowns frequently. It's so wide and heavy the Americans can barely transport them to their intended destinations. During prototype testing which was around 1942 I think, the Pershing was so bad the Military didn't want them. And in the Korean war several years later, the Pershing peformed so bad that they got replaced by the M4 Sherman(How ironic, the thing you're replacing is the one that replaced you) In my opinion the Pershing is overrated for what it is, it's definitely not a bad tank but definitely not as good as people would often say
@@stoda01 Yes, mechanical issues is universal. But in the case of the M26, well during the entire war the US was pretty much fighting it with mostly light and medium tanks, they never sent a heavy tank to fight the war. They did develop a heavy tank before being the M6 but it was too heavy, brokedown most of the time, it sucked. The Pershing was a heavy tank and just like any heavy tank during ww2 it suffered from major mechanical issues which plagued the crews it's entire service life, most notably the suspension committing die because of the weight of the vehicle and engine fires
Your animation of tiger I firing needs a rework, the tank had good enough suspension and gun recoil handling that the chassis didn't move at all during fire, you can verify this in any WW2 footage of it. And no I'm not nitpicking, this is an important detail that allows the gunner to stay on target between shots unlike for instance the american TDs that look like they are about to tip over when they fire..
I really love German Tanks since childhood it fascinates me on their performance during WWII of course we do understand that there are Short comings compared to Allied tanks but still they left fear to the Allies during that day, Thank you Armchair Historian for the detailed story of the Evolution of German Tanks😊💓
One BIG thing missed on the panther, and also to remove remove to slow down a myth which could be sustained through this video. The improvements on the transmission a whole the Ausf. G had better alterations of the transmission which made them far more reliable as a whole, from there on breakdown on the transmission result mainly due to the design flaws and and quality parts due to lack of resources. But even then quality varies, design flaw is constant. I'd also like this to get likes so information like this is seen. The design flaws being the final drive gear. The problem with the panther's final drive is that it's made up of straight-cut spur gears that are too small. The design of the gear had to distribute a lot of force upon a small area which was quite bad, if the quality was low the gear was likely to shatter from to much stress. The Panther Ausf. D-F had weak final drives. It used straight cut spur gear made from steel of varying quality that was designed for a 35 ton tank in which ended up being a 45 ton tank, where a sturdier type of helical cut gear from high quality steel would've been far more preferable. (Though more time consuming and expensive to make) The Ausf. G variant made some improvements to the final drive. Most of the sources I've been able to find sources and technical documents stating that the housing for the final drives was stiffened up, which reduces some of the stress and flexing thus improving reliability overall, but if didn't solve the fundamental problem of the final drive gear itself. Overall the transmissions reliability was improved but the final drive itself was not, thus is this a flaw for all panther to this day as if they are able to run, might just break from the badly chosen gears. So finally reliability was not really much of a problem for the transmission anymore, it was now all placed on a design flaw, a problem of the vehicle. Another thing, I noticed, there was a ball turret on the Late Panther D in the video, that should not be there, it should happen in later on yes, but on the Panther A variants Basically I'm tryna state the transmission problem was mostly solved. Now second I'm lost, why would the J variant use the wire mesh. Wire mesh is more difficult and expensive to produce which would be rather counterproductive than a simple sheet steel. Wire meshed needed to be layered out and individually attatched/welded to the frame, schürzen was a simple rolled steel plate, more resource used but cheaper and faster to make. I don't research wire mesh often so this threw me off completely. Also I have no reliable source for this right now, isn't sheet steel just as good as the wire mesh in stopping the Soviet antitank gun, after all the purpose of the schürzen was to stop the Soviet anti-tank round not really HEAT munitions.
I think the wire mesh was used as it still provided protection against the American bazookas. It’s also possible it was lighter than the sheet model. This is just out off my head, no actual sources.
So bottom line - still had mobility issues. If it wasn't the transmission, it was the final drive, and if it wasn't either of those two, it was lack of quality replacement parts for both.
All these bow before the mighty Wiesel. Not even Armchair Historian dares to speak its name carelessly. Wisely so. For you can never really know if there isn't one around, right now. "What is hiding there in the tall grass? Is it a crate of beer? Is it a washing machine? Wait, is that a tank? Oh NO! It's the dreaded Wiesel!" "Honey? Did you leave the door to the garden open?" "No, why?" "Oh No! He's somwhere in the house!"
Great job, interesting and well done review, over time you are also increasing the quality in the research after having already reached the highest levels in the spectacularity of the graphic representation. Congratulations from Italy.
The leopard 2 automatically raises its gun after firing and locks it in a raised position to lower the breech and make it easier and less tiring to load. Once the gun is loaded, the loader can press a button to lower the gun and align it with the sight.
I was LITERALLY just thinking about a joke in my head imagining if rappers from like Detroit managed to get their hands on a German tank and then this video pops up 30 mins later lol.
The Leopard 1 had relatively thin armor, even less than WW2 medium and heavy tanks, as the designers thought that HEAT rounds would nullify any benefits of heavy armor. However, when the Leopard 2 was developed, composite armors allowed for protections against APFSDS and powerful HEAT rounds, while not being Ludicrously heavy. Tiger II is heavier than M1A2C and Leopard 2A7, but the newer tanks have far better armor.
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tANKS ARE COOL
Yes
*Sad Sherman Noises*
I would like to see something like evolution of fighters or bombers
I lov German tanks
“Hitler, why does the Chinese army have German tanks?”
“I was a business man, doing business.”
I mean,we were buddies before Japanese have to become the third wheel.
"Hey Adolf my generals are giving me reports of Stahlhelm wearing Chinese troops. You wouldn't have any clue about that?"
"Mhmm"
It’s interesting how the Chinese were trained and equipped by the Germans around the 1930’s before WW2 yet the Chinese were invaded so easily by the Japanese, does that mean Japanese doctrine is superior to German doctrine? Probably not but can people please tell me why the Japanese managte to conquer Almost half of China but fail to conquer India?
@@razr-x9666 Only very few Chinese Units we're actually trained and equipped by the Germans and these units usually performed very well against the Japanese, there were just not enough of them to make a big difference in the war. An example of such a unit would be the 88th division of the Chinese nationalist army.
@@razr-x9666 the japanese didn't invade china at ease in fact it was the exact opposite, the chinese despite being considered poorly-equipped by europe's militaries were able to repel offensives launched by the japanese thanks to a people's war and protracted war being waged instead of favoring pitched battles and frontal assaults, only japanese propaganda says otherwise.
World of Tanks and WarThunder players when the history test isn’t just about tank facts:
:(
Lol
Uhm that doesn't compute
When the gaijin is sus!!1!1!1 😳😳😳🙄🙄🙄
I died when the achivement showed up
Germany lost because they didn't angle
You guys want self-propelled guns, tank destroyers, and other German vehicles for an upcoming video?
Yes
Yes.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
Personally, I want more African content.
Evo of American fighter planes
I love how there is like 20 people asking for the Maus
Yeah is cool
@@rajahmaduthien5614 yeah
- FriEND
- BestfriEND
- BoyfriEND
- GirlfriEND
- Sturmgeschütz III
Only Sturmgeschütz III has no END. Sturmgeschütz III
will always stay by your side.
Unless it brake’s down bro
Love that tank
Vouch bro ✊
Facts
That tank will help you when u get bullied
Poland: um what you got there
Line of Panzer tank: a transport vehicle
"a tractor"
Panzer means tank so you just said a line of tank tanks
Realistic Erwin Switch pfp u got there
@@Chris-vs4wt so if i say Panzerr IV tank, i say Tank 4 Tank?
@@Blitzozs yeah I was about to say that
Mercedes Benz: nowadays we are a peaceful car making company
Back then: hans we need big canon
Daimler-Benz was mostly responsible for plane engines just like BMW. The real deal for tanks were Henschel (Tiger), Porsche (The tank whose name is not to be said), MAN (Panther), Rheinmetall (cannons), Maybach (motors) and Krupp
@@InvertedGigachad yeah but they contributed a little bit also in tanks which you can also see in the video
@@demon3286 ye
Porsche now a days making hybrid performance cars
Porsche back then: Hans we need hybrid Tigar
NEIN WE NEED BETTER TRANSMISSION
The world wars have always interested me, not because of the sheer amount of power or brutal consequences of both, but the technology used during them.
It’s crazy to think that people came up with these and put them into action.
Yes, I agree with you. But I also realized, that so much technology potencial was destroyed during war, scientists were killed, factories were bombed, and those who weren't were producing tanks instead of cars, poisons instead of medicines. If someone says (not you), that wars gave us technology, it is partly true. Yes, we gained some technologies due to war, but the number technologies we lost is even higher.
At least you have a reason as to why
hans we need better transmission
hans: you mean thicker armor?
nein has we need better transmisson
hans: you mean bigger kannon?
nein hans we need better transmission
hans: you mean battleship kannon?
ja hans its that i mean hans
Tank fish refrence???
Is that a fish tank reference perchance?
Kuromorimine is best school
This is why the Ferdinand was a failure it was because it's armor was too heavy
Tank fish reference.
Hitler: You see this building?
Engineer: Yes.
Hitler: I want it move.
Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus
@@NFS_PHILIPP You mean the P.1000 Ratte
@@abdullaalsulaiti1803 p1500 landkreuzer😂😂😂
You mean:
Hitler: You see this bunker?
Engineer: Yes my Fuhrer
Hitler: I want it to move
@@JustinLee-jm5wn Ratte in a nutshell
As a German I can verify, that your pronunciation is pretty close on most of the tanks. Well done!
In der Tat! :D Good job ^^
but the r pronunciation tho
Where Tiger P
@@eerolehtila4761 Tiger P was only a prototype of the Porsche Company that didn't win over the Henschel Prototype. Either way the chassis built were used to built the Ferdinand a.k.a. Elefant.
Even if he didn't say them properly it's hilarious to watch people struggle to speak German
Fun fact: The 7th and newest variant of the Leopard 2 is officially called the Leopard 2 A7V
The Cycle ends
Is it a box?
@@gaymermoment much like an older version of leopard 2A6
Reject MBT, return to Toaster
I guess they made it for lulz
as a German speaker my self, I have to say your German is better than most English speakers.
Calvin & Hobbs war früher immer meine Lieblings comics
🍞
@@iamaloafofbread8926 bread
I agree im also German and have heard many storys from my dads grand father he was serving on the eastern Front and lost 3 of his fingers :(
@@groucho1080p c:
Allies: WW2's over buddy
Germany: awwwww
Allies: But you can still build tanks
Germany: YAAAAAY!!!
Thats wholesome.
Germany: proceeds to build the best tank in Europe after the war
@Optimus Prime
ILL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK
@Optimus Prime shut up and take my money!
@@brotheryoungtrad217 lel the barrel beer test
World “Germany you can make some tanks again”
Germany “bet we’ve been waiting on this”
Builds arguably best tank in world right off the bat😂
building really good tanks is not enough when they are produced in low numbers and unreliable AF (plus having far too great fuel consumption)
see the prod numbers, compare that to the us and russia...
unless you are talking about post ww2
@@tinatpasselepoivre yeah they're talking about the leopards
@@tinatpasselepoivre definitely talking about post WW2
EINIGKEIT UND RECHT UND FREIHEIT FÜR DAS DEUTSCHE VATERLAND!!! (German anthem intensifies)
Yes... But not forget the russians (probably the most powerful army of today in terms of tanks)
Did anyone notice the armor for “panzer not found” is RIP Maus lol
That's a Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus
And then The Prototype Failed Because it's Have 180ton to Slow Speed 20km/h
Yeah and the soviet captured it
Isnt it panzer VII? Lowe
@@NotAreaSP The VIII is highly misleading. Like other super heavy tanks this was just a concept prototype. The program was terminated and its equivalent in the E-series development which was the actual plan for future tanks in the Wehrmacht was scrapped as well. So it never was Panzer VIII.
The other misleading part is the implication that the Wehrmacht went with super heavy tank craze when those heavy tanks were dedicated for particular roles, in the case of Tiger I before WW2 even started. Their equivalent in the Soviet army were the KV series and IS series and just like them they were never intended to replace all tanks, but be the spearheads in offensives. The problem for Germany: After 1942 they were never again on the offensive so those tanks were used outside their mission spectrum.
And even the denial of still building them can be explained: The entire German military doctrine for centuries was pretty clear that you needed to bring down the enemy you need to go on the offensive... otherwise you lose the war... because German geography is crap for defense... oh dear... oh dear.
Was maus removed from wot aww it's removed from wt aswell
Fun fact: leopard 2 change of the engine block can be performed by a trained team within 15 minutes or less... the humvee takes 15 hours
Why would you bother to try to change the engine block on a car?
@@LyvlonLP If the engine is broken?
@@LyvlonLP 9 times out of 10 if a car suffers a no-worky without crashing into anything, the issue is in the engine or drivetrain. Being able to swap engines means you can keep the actual car running for decades, and just swap engines whenever it breaks. This, in theory, means that instead of having to build 1000 new humvees each year to replace attrition, you only need to build 100 humvees and 900 humvee engines. Unfortunately, nowadays consumer cars are designed to be "single use," even though most broken down cars that haven't been totalled in an accident could easily function with a new engine. It's kind of crazy when you think about it, we literally throw away an entire car because a part or two in the engine doesn't work, simply because it's cheaper and easier to buy an entire new identical car than fix the one or two items that broke. It's that hard to replace an engine in a car, that in most cases it just makes more sense to buy an entire new car.
The comparison in the original comment isn't a very good one though, since the engines are VERY different. One is a turbine, the other is a regular combustion engine. Comparing the two when it comes to replacement times is like comparing the time it takes to replace an aircraft propeller with the time it takes to replace a boat propeller. They are similar, but have a lot of major differences, it's an "apples to oranges" comparison.
Because it is just five screws and two plugs
What about leopard 2a7+
Oh Great Panzer of the Lake, what is your wisdom?
Panzer of the Lake: “Bob Semple OP”
All hail the Bob Semple, for none can withstand it
its highly effective corrugated iron armor will effectively deflect any pity full shell back to it's shooter!
Nice
I have discovered today that Napoleon actually follows 90% of YT Channels I like..that's a great day
@@duo496 *Finally found you. Time for you to go to The Gulag*
OMG this is easily my favorite tanks video in all CZcams. Nice voice pace, nice engineering-looking blueprints that lead to beautiful animated graphics and good information! Such an awesome piece of art that this video is!
Dislikes are from technicians who had to fix ze Tiger’s transmission
"Hey the tanks transmissions weren't that bad they only break down 5 times a week."
ironically enough they still ended up being the most reliable tanks they had by the end of the war
and their grandkids
@@DyslexicMitochondria I was curious about your username so clicked on your profile. Your channel is a hidden gem bro
@dyslexic mitochondria cool channel bro
4:27 1934-1493
Damn, holy roman empire is already build a tank!
Cant crush protestants with just troops u know
hate to be that guy, but its actually how many were built (I understand your joke lol, I just wanted to correct you for it, anyways cheers chap)
Well... Leonardo da Vinci was working on his tank prototype in Milan, which was technically part of the Holy Roman Empire.
@@crusadermayonnaise9001 really? Thanks for correcting me mate. I thought it was a typo or something
@@VRichardsn yes i know that story, but did️n't it was created Around 1500? I'm sorry if i'm wrong
The WarThunder achievement at 7:31 made me chuckle
lol yeah
Bro like wtf they even know they down bad if you get an achievement for that lol
Pain
Only thing that made me watch this vid over and over again
wait is that like an actual achievement?
7:36 - A.H. PERSONALLY ordered... upgrade of the gun. Thats like prime minister talking to technical details of a tank. Wow!
"Let's send a ship on tracks"
Hitler to engineers
Hitler was USA from Red Alert series. but in real life. :P
P.1000 Ratte in a nutshell
@@aslamnurfikri7640 literally a "land cruiser"
mehmed II:
Pretty sure that any nation tried that during that time. The USA just couldn't do it, because they were supposed to savely transport them overseas.
Germany in WW2: Makes very large Panzers
Germany today: Tank Silencer
The german tank silencer is a very exquisite joke that very few will understand.
12:23 "OH MY GOD IT'S A KING TIGER!!"
"Friedrich, stop crying and start the engi- oh right we're out of fuel"
Ι didnt know königstiger had such problems for a mighty tank tho
@@grimmshredsanguinus2915 the only thing that is mighty is probably the gun, the armour even though is quite strong, its welding quality is worse then early panzers (?). And remember that "big cats" are overweight and has underpowered engine with fragile suspension after 1943
@@grimmshredsanguinus2915 mighty is a heavy overstatement. If one made it to combat, the allied forces could just dodge it and wait for it to run out of fuel or break down, then take the crew prisoner.
@@feivellazuardi1867 it’s not such a big surprise it’s welding was poor. Germany was losing the war by the time the King Tiger entered production, so I’m guessing production of King Tigers had to be rushed and they were sent off to the front as quickly as possible.
@@charles5895 yea, i think i read somewhere where a tiger 2's front armor got hit by 100mm or 122mm ap shell, it bounce and left a huge crack on the front plate. By the time it's abandoned, the tank can't move bcz the upper plate is already shatter into pieces
3:23 HOLY! THIS WAS PERFECT
Noch nie ein Engländer oder Ami gehört l, der das "c h" so gut aussprach😯
@@guntherderkleine8808 ja
The Virgin Tiger I:
- only a handful, "quality over quantity"
- gets one-shotted by a 57mm from the side and rear
- gets one-shotted by a 17-pndr from the angled front
- often not used for its intended role as a breakthrough tank
The GigaChad Sturmgeschütz III:
- has seen combat in every german theatre due to being mass produced
- doesn't matter if it's killed, another one will take its place
- 75mm gun can destroy any allied tank short of a Churchill, Sherman Jumbo, or KV-1/IS-2
- picks its battles, has a good win/loss encounter rate
I wish you could use StuGs like that in HoI4, but they're just tank destroyers with no other use.
Men of war does apply to these rule....
It sees that you have a 88 and everything dies
Chad existed even before the internet
The fucked Tiger 1
World of Tanks and War Thunder players: “My time has arrived.”
Rip ru 251
*INDEED!*
*GRAMERCY*
And yet I didn't find the answer to why my StuG III always bursts into flames in less than 60 seconds after the start of the battle. 😔
@@tangmengtit888 what is wrong with the RU?
Tank Engineer: We upgraded the Panzer III what should we name it?
Hitler: *E*
No...
@@the0nlinebean818 GET E
He didnt get his medicine again that time arent he?
It was the Panzer *E*
E gang go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttt
Allies: What's that?
Hiтleг: A tractor.
What's that battleship? Nah, that's just a fishing boat.
What are those armies? ... Policemen?
Hans : can I get my Porsche repair? some thing wrong with the engine and transmission.
Porsche Facility : Sure? What is the model? 911? 950?
Hans : Nein! VK 4501 (P)
Someone's bound to make a GuP joke, i can feel it in my head
fun fact: While the literal translation "king tiger" for the German "Königstiger" has very early on become common place in the English speaking world, the correct English name of the animal it is named after is "Bengal Tiger".
Royal Bengal Tiger
Ah yes pride of Bangladesh a beast made of flesh
@@joemamaobama6863 India too
Teacher: What's our nation animal
Me: Köingstiger
@@suryanshsingh4533 nah India is the peacock
I’ve found my new favorite CZcams video just by the title
Same
Panzer go brrrrr
Yes the evolution of the german tank from the humble river terrapin is fascinating
@@IceRe4Perhome *PANZER IV AUSF-H GO PURRR*
We all can agree with all of the tanks transmission goes break
Him: “I have terrible pronounciation"
Also him: says German words perfectly
Not all
Pänzer?
Most better than I’ve ever seen most of my family members or friends pronounce it
*mostly
*Griffin Johnsen
hitler: u see that battleship
engineer: yes fuhrer
hitler: i want it on land
German tanks: Have transmission problems, costly maintenance, Consumes a lot of fuel, etc.
Hitler: Ok, just put bigger guns and more armor.
"Mein fuhrer, the engine is on fire again"
"Got dammit hans, more guns"
@@bulbobaggins Engineer: *cowers in fear as he sees the porsche tigers turned into ferdinands*
To be fair, German tanks during WWII didn't start suffering from that problem until after the PzKpfw IV. It wasn't until the cats that German tanks started to have issue with their reliability.
@@Riceball01 Panzer IIIs and IVs didn't handle the dust and mud in Russia very well, from what I've read.
@@Riceball01 and even panther suffered those only in early stages.
Her: he said he have a Porsche
The Porsche:
Even better!
tiger 1 p tiger 2 p (turret no hull) Maus leopard 1 and 2
@@Yes-ct1md Not wanting to sound like an ass but there is no Panzerkampfwagen Leopard 1 or 2. Infact the word Panzerkampfwagen is not being used anymore at all.
@@nonein5957 dumaz its a joke
@@krisp1975 Is it though
I’d love to see evolution of American, British and French tanks
yes
What about russian tank evolution
How about Chinese and Japanese tanks?
@@Erde_midget770 yes
@@elmerjohnesguerra7603 let’s do it
Am I the only one who's seeing that the Pz. II is built from 1935 till 1856 at @5:23?
Ah, the amount built. A bit confusing, but got it.
> And a whole 7 version were produced domestically
Some things never change, do they?
This time they sell them instead of driving them into other countries.
Well yes but actually no
@@obelic71
They are remote control able so u can Invade from the inside.
Kappa
but this time we compete the cycel and made them actuly fucking GOOD
I Wished more things didn't change (not the part of Hitler going crazy and ordering the invasion of most of Europe though)
“6mm, 8mm- *100mm* “
-Maybe Adolf
Like the 64 bits meme
(Put a space after the *)
"Ve Vill show them all who has ze schmall pee-pee" - Hitler
You know I didn’t realize how much the A7V resembled a barn.
FV4005 go brrrrrrrrrrrr
the kaiser's armored barn
I call it six-hatch garbage can.
I thought it looked like a giant toaster
Shoebox of death
Can't forget about the Panzer III Ausf. N, an infantry support model of the Panzer III with the same skirts as the Panzer III Ausf. M, but with a short-barreled 75 mm gun.
Somewhere, someone in the German Military is petting their cat while thinking of what they'll do to improve the next tank
Probably figuring out how to made an "environmentally-friendly, low carbon emission" tank with efficient electric motors, EV batteries encapsuled in armour, and 130mm Rheinmetall cannon, and named it PzKpfw Karakal.
@@musab.k.9870 that sounds very spot on.
@@musab.k.9870 big floppa tank?
@@fatchins9126 Idk what cat names are left lol. We've had a "Luchs" before. I think the only name left is "Hauskatze" (domestic cat). Would be fitting for an electric tank.
@@moritz8183 aber Floppa...:(
“only real shortcoming of the tiger was the lack of units”
*transmission breaks, suspension collapses, engine fails, road wheels get stuck, lack of parts, very difficult to maintain*
Same for all WW2 tanks, the Tigers reliably issues are overly exaggerated.
I wouldn't say that they are espacially over exaggerated.
The Tiger tank wasn't designed to be easy to maintain or cheap to repair. It was designed to be a breakthrough tank.
Basically being deployed where the enemy is especially stubborn, breaking through their defenses and going back to the next depot where they would have the time, space and resources to be fixed properly.
After all germany would be on the offense, taking land and could decide where and when to advance.
The role it was pressed into was very different with the Wehrmacht being on the defense, losing ground and being short on supplies, where the shortcomings started to be more noticable.
I.e. you couldn't just recover vehicles that broke down, due to an overheated engine or failing transmission, during an fight right after, since the ground they fought on would be lost to the advancing enemy (soviets or allies) and they have a bit of a problem with an german tank towing truck just driving through their lines, recovering a 60t vehicle and towing it back to a german depot.
Oh and on a side note: german tanks where notriously difficult to repair, my favorite example would be when the transmission on a Panzer III needs to be exchanged.
Step 1: get some cranes.
Step 2: REMOVE THE TURRET OF THE TANK
Step 3: Losen some easy to excess bolts
Step 4: REMOVE THE UPPER HALF OF THE HULL
Saw some pictures of that process and it was a very interesting sight.
@@Hunter4042012 I never said allied vehicles were more reliable (even tho most were), it’s a joke, and I honestly don’t care what you think
@@lucky_x8367 Although certain German tanks were difficult to repair, this isn't true across the board, the Panzer 4 was easy to repair, and even the more troublesome vehicles like the Panther and Tiger could be easily repaired depending on what was broken, engine replacement on the big cats for example was easy.
@@Hunter4042012 Shermans didn't have these problems. The tiger had a lot more reliability issues compared to allied tanks.0
As a German I have to say your pronunciation is quite good!
Its not that bad, but I mean Its ok considering he did it a couple of times in other vids
Because we can remember as ww2
He mastered the "Leichttraktor", 10/10!
@@peterhuwe8709 there's some good history
nein?
Everyone:
Tiger is the Best german tank
Sad panzer IV noises
Tigers could be the best tanks of the war if they had better transmission and engines. The lack of resources made them bad
@@Nothingbetterthanarelaxingday I think the best tank was the panther ausf g
@@columba5627 It was 3 months ago. It probably was a joke. The tiger had many flaws especially the panther. There is no such as "The best tank of the war" If you think about it, every tank has a designed environment for them especially WW2.
I don't know why but I like the Panzer III most, especially in the latest variants. It looks so down to earth and modest, somehow sympathetic.
ikr it looks so good
Yes 🤤🤤🤤🤤
the combination of "I am speed" and high pen gun
@@yimingwang8037they’re slow
@@nathon1942 not really
Last time I was this early Germany was still ordering A7V's.
The newest model of the Leopard 2 is called A7V
@@goofymode8205 bruh use 3 brain cells
@@jeroenvanbroeckhoven149 no u
@@goofymode8205 we've come full circle then. Pushing forward so far that we looped around at the beginning
@@pablomonsalve3911 ah yes engrish
germany in ww1
-hans?
-yes?
-see pillbox?
-ja
-make it move
-O k F r i t z
🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣
This deserves more likes
I'd absolutely love more with SPGs and TDs!
1944: there a german tank coming ready the bazooka
2021: There a German tank coming ready the cameras
you know that the leopard 2 A7V wich is used right now is one of the best tanks in the world
@@generaloverlord2988 did you know no one fcking asked?
@@OliverFlinn so nobody should Know the Truth or what
@@generaloverlord2988 again,who asked?
@@OliverFlinn so you only want to know the Falsohood and Nothing else
"surprisingly good mobility"
The Ardennes Forest wants to know your location.
It was a close ambience, soo is expected the mobility is really low
lol
The only mobilised formation that was succesful in mountains was the italian cavalary formations at stalino and the german panzers in greece. Homewer i couldnt find german panzers fighting in mouintains so Rudolfo Graziani and the italian expeditionary force is victorious.and i gotta remind you that Ardennes was bot a forest and hilly. Also a common misconseption, Rommel didint fought in the Ardennes. He had broke through the strongest part of the maginot line at Metz. He used tanks to distract the enemies so her motorcycle infantry could flank the line and attack from behind. he opened a gap in the maginot line and exploiter it to make a breakthroug to the sea.
We need an evolution of British or American or even Soviet tanks now
It would be more interesting for the Soviets if they added in the Cold War Period. That was when a lot of Soviet tanks were developed, not so much during WW2
Gotta love the T-80
Not mentioning WW2:
GB - Chieftain, Challenger
USA - Patton, Abrams
SU - oh boy, let's go.. T-..
@@Markok1911 Centurion also
@@crumpetcommandos779 best tonk of the 1950s.
I feel that (with the exception of the panther) they never learned from captured tanks and kept making boxes for hulls, relying just on the thickness of the armor to protect them
Can you please make a video focusing on the entire Korean War? It is such a important war for context of modern history in Asia and almost completely forgotten/overshadowed by WW2 and Vietnam.
He did.
@@that_guy7617 the comment was made 2 months before the Korean war video was released
@@dumbymcon Ok but I'm prociding an update
5:08 thank you for putting Beethoven's 7th Symphony Second Movement, I really enjoy this piece, and I'm learning how to play Liszt's transcription of it for the piano (fun fact about this piece: it used to be one of the Menu songs for War Thunder, but in the New Power update got removed I believe)
yep, i miss that song, ever since War Thunder got rid of the classic music i stopped playing
😏🤔
5:08 .Did anyone catch that the panzer 2 was built from 1936-1493?
Lol
Ah yes, back to the past with the Holy Roman Empire
it should be noted that of the ww2 era tanks "these where used until the end of the war." is not always a sighn that they are a good desighn or a boast. Its a sighn that the germans where woefully out matched in industry and need to press everything they could into combat
"Evolution of germans tanks"
*Shows Ferdinand*
GERMAN ENGINEERING IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD!!!
Ferndinad or Ferdinand?
@@finitatem Ok
@@BrotherHao1 Just call him bastard Tiger.
@@nrw64 technically it elefant or Ferdinand is it's turretless tank destroyer form. You would Nickname it what you said if it still had it's turret.
@@jerryudonneedtoknow3903 did you say turtle-less tank? I can fix that.
Bro the Germans were so good at war that Griffin has to make another video about their Tuna Cans with Wheels
Jesus I keep seeing you.
It's been 90 days change ur name
@@Redangrybird1928 ikr
Tuna cans with wheels lmao
german tank designers: *box*
Someone: Why dont you show your tanks?
German Government: Because we dont have to do this.
Bundeswehr: We are out of duct tape.
Musste schmunzeln
Funfact: The Leopard 1 is called Leopard 1, because a design for a leopard tank already existed in 1943
Yeah it was a light scout tank based on the Luchs (the Leopard AKA Versuchskampfwagen 16.02)
little pea chooter gun go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
7:31, every war thunder player knows what that means
With certain vics with high repair costs, you could totally get that achievement many times over
cries in b29...
@@livethefuture2492 As a fellow B-29 owner i feel your pain...
Me, a WoT player: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that"
Nah, I've played War Thunder as well and it's a good game, but the progression is painfully slow even with Premium. And also don't like dying in 1 shot most of the time, I know that it's supposed to be realistic, but still...
@@livethefuture2492cries in strv-122
Oh Great Panzer of the Lake, what is your wisdom?
Panzer of the Lake: “Ze transmission broke!”
Ooooo nein Hanz
Can't wait for the Evolution of American Tanks where they would be talking about the M4 Sherman 90% of the time xD
Or worse. The M26 Pershing. That was one of the better tanks of WW2 but too little, too late, too few.
Not necessarily
@@stoda01 I know nobody asked about my opinion but I wouldn't say it's one of the better tanks of WW2. It suffered from mechanical breakdowns frequently. It's so wide and heavy the Americans can barely transport them to their intended destinations. During prototype testing which was around 1942 I think, the Pershing was so bad the Military didn't want them. And in the Korean war several years later, the Pershing peformed so bad that they got replaced by the M4 Sherman(How ironic, the thing you're replacing is the one that replaced you) In my opinion the Pershing is overrated for what it is, it's definitely not a bad tank but definitely not as good as people would often say
@@k-874 Didn't most of the heavier of WW2 tanks have reliability issues?
@@stoda01 Yes, mechanical issues is universal. But in the case of the M26, well during the entire war the US was pretty much fighting it with mostly light and medium tanks, they never sent a heavy tank to fight the war. They did develop a heavy tank before being the M6 but it was too heavy, brokedown most of the time, it sucked. The Pershing was a heavy tank and just like any heavy tank during ww2 it suffered from major mechanical issues which plagued the crews it's entire service life, most notably the suspension committing die because of the weight of the vehicle and engine fires
Your animation of tiger I firing needs a rework, the tank had good enough suspension and gun recoil handling that the chassis didn't move at all during fire, you can verify this in any WW2 footage of it. And no I'm not nitpicking, this is an important detail that allows the gunner to stay on target between shots unlike for instance the american TDs that look like they are about to tip over when they fire..
"It's bigger! It's badder! Ladies and gentlemen, it's too much for the oil industry!" - ww2 german tanks in a nutshell
“Too late....fifteen years too late!”
7:30
New archievement
It's Only Smoke!
Spend over 30,000 Lions at once on
auto-repair
Reward: Sense of pride and acomplishment
I just love the various tank version designs you guys made! Well done and great overview
Lol nice to see you here
I see you in just about every video I watch
I'll give the Germans credit they have a long history to Tanks designs
I really love German Tanks since childhood it fascinates me on their performance during WWII of course we do understand that there are Short comings compared to Allied tanks but still they left fear to the Allies during that day, Thank you Armchair Historian for the detailed story of the Evolution of German Tanks😊💓
One BIG thing missed on the panther, and also to remove remove to slow down a myth which could be sustained through this video.
The improvements on the transmission a whole the Ausf. G had better alterations of the transmission which made them far more reliable as a whole, from there on breakdown on the transmission result mainly due to the design flaws and and quality parts due to lack of resources. But even then quality varies, design flaw is constant. I'd also like this to get likes so information like this is seen.
The design flaws being the final drive gear.
The problem with the panther's final drive is that it's made up of straight-cut spur gears that are too small. The design of the gear had to distribute a lot of force upon a small area which was quite bad, if the quality was low the gear was likely to shatter from to much stress.
The Panther Ausf. D-F had weak final drives. It used straight cut spur gear made from steel of varying quality that was designed for a 35 ton tank in which ended up being a 45 ton tank, where a sturdier type of helical cut gear from high quality steel would've been far more preferable. (Though more time consuming and expensive to make)
The Ausf. G variant made some improvements to the final drive. Most of the sources I've been able to find sources and technical documents stating that the housing for the final drives was stiffened up, which reduces some of the stress and flexing thus improving reliability overall, but if didn't solve the fundamental problem of the final drive gear itself.
Overall the transmissions reliability was improved but the final drive itself was not, thus is this a flaw for all panther to this day as if they are able to run, might just break from the badly chosen gears.
So finally reliability was not really much of a problem for the transmission anymore, it was now all placed on a design flaw, a problem of the vehicle.
Another thing, I noticed, there was a ball turret on the Late Panther D in the video, that should not be there, it should happen in later on yes, but on the Panther A variants
Basically I'm tryna state the transmission problem was mostly solved.
Now second I'm lost, why would the J variant use the wire mesh. Wire mesh is more difficult and expensive to produce which would be rather counterproductive than a simple sheet steel. Wire meshed needed to be layered out and individually attatched/welded to the frame, schürzen was a simple rolled steel plate, more resource used but cheaper and faster to make.
I don't research wire mesh often so this threw me off completely.
Also I have no reliable source for this right now, isn't sheet steel just as good as the wire mesh in stopping the Soviet antitank gun, after all the purpose of the schürzen was to stop the Soviet anti-tank round not really HEAT munitions.
I probably have some spelling errors but I'm too lazy to fix them
I think the wire mesh was used as it still provided protection against the American bazookas. It’s also possible it was lighter than the sheet model. This is just out off my head, no actual sources.
So bottom line - still had mobility issues. If it wasn't the transmission, it was the final drive, and if it wasn't either of those two, it was lack of quality replacement parts for both.
@@jack50br54 The sheets were for anti-tank rifles, they soviets stoped using them later in the war, mesh worked just as well for heat rounds.
Oh no Hans ze transmission has broken again
Im going to say this only once: Soviet tanks pls
Yes Yes Yes Yes!!!!!!!!!
да
russian bias!1!1!1!1
Bruh seriously, i didnt know this would get likes. I wasn’t even expecting them, but it’s a welcomed surprise.
It would be the same T-34 chassis but with two gajilion variants
“Hans, did you bring ze Panzerfaust?”
“Nien, I brang ze Panzer division”
All these bow before the mighty Wiesel.
Not even Armchair Historian dares to speak its name carelessly. Wisely so. For you can never really know if there isn't one around, right now.
"What is hiding there in the tall grass? Is it a crate of beer? Is it a washing machine? Wait, is that a tank? Oh NO! It's the dreaded Wiesel!"
"Honey? Did you leave the door to the garden open?" "No, why?" "Oh No! He's somwhere in the house!"
the wiesel and bison, sexiest machines ever created
Very funny : )
How many big cats u want?
Germany : yes
We do love our cats :D
I would love to see more of these for other nations! Good luck fitting every variant of the Sherman into one video.
I love how you pronounced the panzerkumpooperwagen
When Beethoven's Symphony No. 7 started playing, it hit me in the feels
The pronunciation is actually really good. You still have a bit of an accent, but the effort is commendable.
The thing that struck me the most was the Sturmpanzerwagen being pronounced as Stürm... - other than that, it was really close
Yea for an American, the pronunciation was really good
1:14 What the hell they nuking Switzerland for?
They had enough of the Swiss army not fighting
Some government finally had enough of Switzerland allowing people to hide money from them.
Living near the Swiss border, i could name a dozen reasons for this... 🙄
Lol i thought the same thing!
Very nice video .
As a tank enthusiast, I love it so much!
Keep going to make more high quality videos😁
“Leopard is the best tank in Europe”
ANGRY CHALLENGER NOISES
I’ve played to much Of conflict of nations to know what ur talking about before reaching that part of the vid
Challenger is the best
BVs give the Chally a great advantage over the Leo
Great job, interesting and well done review, over time you are also increasing the quality in the research after having already reached the highest levels in the spectacularity of the graphic representation.
Congratulations from Italy.
15:21 "Peace keeping" *Opens fire*
Virtuosity is not passivity. You can’t be virtuous without the capacity of becoming a monster. To keep peace, you must have the power to endure war.
I love that you said the tiger 2 was made to only deplete Germany's resources. That made me laugh.
Anti Tank Gun: [Does its job]
Hitler: It’s the tank’s fault.
Stalin: It’s my tank commander’s fault.
Roosevelt: We need more tanks ! !
I mean if there's a antil tank gun then why not make a anti anti tank gun
@@zeropoint1272 then we'll need a anti anti anti tank gun
@@wisemonke194 Then they're gonna develop an anti-anti-anti-anti-tank gun
Honestly I think an episode about armored cars would be interesting since those are often overlooked.
"Enjoy my horrible attempts at german pronuntiation" thats pretty much how i start every presentation at my german classes
Just wanted to let you know you miss spelled the word 'Pronunciation'. My apologies.
Fixed
@@jimstath6063 do it again
The leopard 2 automatically raises its gun after firing and locks it in a raised position to lower the breech and make it easier and less tiring to load. Once the gun is loaded, the loader can press a button to lower the gun and align it with the sight.
How many times must I ask, when will we learn about the history of the armchair?
Ah yes, Symphony no. 7, 2nd movement.
Gives me nostalgic memories of lower tiers in War Thunder
Man, hearing that Symphony No. 7 gave me feels. Anyone else remember when that was in War Thunder?
German Industry: Let's build practical designs for the war.
Adolf Hitler: *hErpAdErP tiger II, maus, E100, P1000!!!!!*
I was LITERALLY just thinking about a joke in my head imagining if rappers from like Detroit managed to get their hands on a German tank and then this video pops up 30 mins later lol.
16:05 The Leopard isn't just comparable to the m1; it's even better
for the Leopard 2A6, it's slightly better, for 2A5 and 2A4, it's comparable
Broke: quality over quantity
Woke: armor over mobility
The Leopard 1 had relatively thin armor, even less than WW2 medium and heavy tanks, as the designers thought that HEAT rounds would nullify any benefits of heavy armor. However, when the Leopard 2 was developed, composite armors allowed for protections against APFSDS and powerful HEAT rounds, while not being Ludicrously heavy. Tiger II is heavier than M1A2C and Leopard 2A7, but the newer tanks have far better armor.