Oris Aquis Caliber 400
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Big thanks to Oris for reaching out to me. This is a great new movement with a quirk for sure. Looking forward to the future of the brand, as they have proven themselves far beyond many already. - Zábava
The minute hand jump would make this a no go for me. I know it would drive me crazy, especially at that price.
Has anyone ever used a diver's extension? I'd much rather see a glide extension.
Probably 0,1% of the owners of diving watches that actually dive with the watch.
I’ve never used it even when diving. Most recreational divers don’t dive in waters cold enough to need a full body wet suit
C’mon Rob. People aren’t being " Hyper-focused ” about that minute hand jump. For the price you’re paying...that’s a legitimate concern. A decent watch...but that minute hand jump is massive.
Agreed. This isn't Seiko we're talking about here. This is a major oversight and I hope it gets corrected; I would never buy this watch with such an obvious mechanical issue.
@RandomUser221 lol truth!
2.5k (the going rate for this right now) is pretty cheap for all these specs, unless you're used to buying $400 seiko and hamiltons
@@hersheysquirt6526 - You don't get that wired second hand jump from a $400. Seiko or Hamilton. So...WHY settle for it from a $2K watch?? ...think about it
@@MrShinobi797 No, but you do get extreme variations in accuracy and misaligned chapter rings from seiko, both are which are much more noticeable. Those $400 hamilton field watches are basically splash resistant. All the other specs on this thing offset the minute hand jump that is pretty easy to manage with a slight wiggle. You're not entitled to perfection just because you paid a couple of grand for a watch, give me a watch and I'll show you a flaw- wait until you find out that there are watches that cost 30k that need to be serviced yearly... that aint exactly ideal either, yet it's 30k
I thought people were making a mountain of a molehill but nope it is a mountain.
For this price point the jumping minute hand is unacceptable imo. You should not have to do the crown jiggle to set it properly everytime.
agree, deal breaker 1/1
Deal breaker
Ditto
This happens on many mechanical watches. I've had it on a Rolex and, much worse, on an Omega Speedmaster. All you have to do is move the minute hand four or five minutes past the required setting, then move it back to where you want it. You then screw in the crown. It takes five seconds.
@@wildbillharding I have a Rolex sub and Omega Speedmaster and Seamaster and have never experienced this. I don’t think I have ever experienced this on my Hamilton even, maybe on a Seiko but I can’t remember.
Really nice watch but that minute hand issue is not acceptable for a $3,500 watch.
Agreed. I had a nice chat with the owner of the boutique I bought my watch and he mentioned that out of his own volition. He could have tried to sell me a more expensive piece but I think he saw i was an enthusiast and not just somebody looking to drop a few K on a watch.
Not acceptable even for a Seiko 5
Agree completely: a quick adjust instead of (or in addition to) the dive extension would make this a serious contender. But for that $$, with no quick adjust... I’ll wait to see what they do going forward.
If I was ocd, that would drive me nuts with the hand jumping like that rob, I have the “stag horn” edition and love the watch ..Oris makes good pieces
Thanks for the in-depth walk through of the jumping hand issue.
Kudos for pointing out the minute hand issue. It's a beautiful watch, but that issue just isn't acceptable at that price point.
Agreed. I could have stretched my budget to get one but I’ll wait a year or so for them to work out the quirks and then get one. Hopefully by then they’ll have introduced it into other models as well. I’d love to see a pro pilot with that movement
You joking ? I wouldn’t accept that from a Seiko-5
CyberOris 2077
@@MrLocsei that's because the Seiko won't do it.
@@rustydrog haha
The minute jump is a huge deal. No need to underplay it! When they fix the design problem what happen to the value of the ones that came with this issue. This reminded my of the Miota that would skip beats randomly. I stay away from Miota and will stay away from ORIS until this issue is fixed. The bargain now is the last years Oris Aquis with the much cheaper to service Sellita movement.
I am afraid I won’t be able to look at Oris the same, ever again.
I’m glad they went with the Aquis for this new movement. If they had put it in the Divers 65, I’d be out a few grand
Have you seen the minute hand issue ?
Thank you addressing that issue, it's a big No-no for me, at this price point customers shouldn't have to be dealing with these issues.
(edit due to sequence mixup) Shouldn't the exact procedure to avoid minute jump be to first move the minute hand forward, and then backwards to the desired time position, and then press the crown? No wiggling is neccesary. Up to my experience this issue is not endemic to Oris, I reproduced the same on Omega and JLC movements.
Thats correct. There's literally no "issue" or "fiddling" needed. You just go past the time you want to set it to and go back to that time. Done.
The in house effort from Oris is praise worthy. But let's be honest. That hand moving quirk in a modern day Swiss watch is unacceptable.
Can you put that displayed movement on another watch? I'm just curious.
Watched a vid somewhere, maybe Bruce, and if you roll past five minutes where you want to actually set, then roll back, it won’t jump. Looking at it hard. Also, apparently in the movement the two barrels make the Oris Bear’s ears, and with rotor right below, the rest of the bear’s face. Really love this watch. Almost bought the Monkey Ltd tonight, but I, like you, think I need 43mm, and it is in only 41. Also, if getting this, and I have found one discount for 2800ish, have to make sure and not grey market-and lose the 10 yr warranty.
What wiggle is that?? Set the time like in any twin barrel movement. You have to back-set the crown so the gear train remains in sync. Easy like that. Please don’t wiggle anymore 👍
Hey Rob, great review. I know for an inhouse calibre the price is justified, but compared to Tudor or Omega, I feel Oris needs to step up in terms of bezel backplay and on the fly bracelet adjustment system. Even a CW C60 has it and that is a $800,- watch!
Hi. Oris Aquis 400 or breitling colt auto 41? I see you reviewed both. If you have a choice which one would you choose? They both look great to me but I can choose only one :)
Adjustment screw (+/-) strips out super easy…even with high quality screwdriver.
Most people are not sufficiently active to wind this watch? Or is the unidirectional winding system without a ball bearing not efficient enough?
This is a beautiful watch and movement but I am not sure that I want to pay a premium for the new movement. I like the easy serviceability of an ETA. Thank you for a great review Rob 😊👍
Wait until you see the jumping minute hand issue.
10 year service interval though. So what service lol
Oris: send this watch to every channel w 25k subscribers or more.
It is a beautiful watch. I would have to think about the minute hand issue. I might consider that 10yr as offsetting the minute hand issue.
Plus: inhouse 5 day power reserve, + or - 5 seconds a day, 10 year warranty on one of the best looking divers.
Cons: second hand jump and proprietary lugs.
At $2500 it's a go for me. Hope the Big Crown Propilot 41mm receives the movement.
I love the watch, and I'd still be willing to work with the quirk if it's double barrel movement. I'd love to have the 400 caliber in titanium as well.
@Rob, thanks for talking about the minute hand. I find it disingenuous that other influencers (I won't name them) have reviewed this watch and not even mention the jumping minute hand. We all know why they decided to leave that part out...
Been waiting for this one, wait... let me put my Aquis on... ok.. PLAY!
I'll admit the hand jump would drive me mad. Can't believe they even released it with this problem at that price.
Who lives there life by the exact minute or two? Not me . It’s a lovely looking and well done for explaining its issue
Hi Rob, could you please do a best bezel watch, TQ, great videos
Movement glitches aside, why even have 5 days of power reserve? If I don’t wear a mechanical watch for over 5 days, it’s quite okay to have to reset it.
I think I’ll get a SW300 model in black and wait a year. Should be some good prices on the previous movements out there...now that Calibre 400 is out.
Why does Oris have those weird Lugs ? Seems like it would be impossible to swap out the bracelet for a Nato or a rubber strap.
My complaint about the normal Aquis was always that 38 hours of power was too little. Now, with 120 hours of power, they have different issue, with the jumping minute hand. Oris, all I needed was something around 60-70 hours there and you were good to go. Well, I'm sure they will fix it over the years. Until then, I'll stick with my 65 model and its anemic power reserve.
Sorry but for $3500 and a movement with that sloppy minute hand that’s a no go. Seiko’s in house movements don’t do that but if they did they would be skewered. I’d buy the aquis with the Sellita movement.
The problem for Oris is that you can get an Aquis that pretty much looks like this (and in Ti) with a reliable movement for $1K. The $3500 version has to be a no-brainer step up and this doesn't seem to be. I'd also wonder if the accuracy holds towards the end of that loooong power reserve.
Have Seiko and Omega don't have that problem major deal breaker
No chance in buying it great video
Game over for Oris if they don’t fix the movement and recall all the watches they already sold.
@@MrLocsei so very bloody true
Best to buy a Tudor Black bay at that price point! Nice watch but No, not worth it!
I highly recommend regular Black Bay. My BB GMT has date wheel problem
The minute hand jumping when you pull out the crown is normal. It happens in high-end movements from JLC and AP, among others (I had a JLC master control that did precisely that). What is not normal is the minute hand jumping when you push in the crown. That’s where the problem lies.
So many reviewers giving the 400 caliber a pass on this obvious defect. They are going around bush. Any other movement that has this issue is a defect. Oris, go back to the drawing board. I wouldn't spend $3500 for a nice looking watch with a defective movement. It isn't enough for me for Oris to say this is normal. I know they will fix this in the future and thats when ill buy!
Saying this is normal is literally insulting the customer’s intelligence.
Great, im not bothered about the jumping hand, more people complain the better, if they dont sell many, perhaps the price will come down, double great.
If i'm spending $3500 on a watch, i dont want it to have movement "quirks". Sorry Oris, this is a fail.
That jumping minute hand would annoy me every day given how much the watch costs. Wish they had just regulated the selitta movement instead. Every time I look at the aquis - I think of the c60 trident and simply can't justify the cost.
That is a beautiful watch. The integrated bracelet is a deal breaker for me. I have a Seiko with an integrated rubber strap that I hate. Not being able to switch to a bracelet really sucks. I will never get another integrated strap/bracelet watch. Too bad, in every other respect, I like the watch. I have a few watches that have the minute hand jump that movement has. It can be very frustrating to set them very accurately.
Wish there is a black dial one
I think the biggest problem is that many people who spend $3000 on a watch want a brand name that is connected to $3000 dollar watches. For some people it seems it is just not enough to have a really nice watch. They also want a brand that says they spent a lot like Omega or Tudor. I am sure there are many others that really don’t care for brand names and will love the Oris. Oris makes really great dials in my opinion and the Aquis has its own unique look that I really like. It’s unfortunate that it doesn’t hack correctly because to me it seems like its in a state of disrepair. I know its a big undertaking to make your own movement and the fact that it doesn’t hack correctly is evidence as to why so many manufacturers just put an ETA or Sellita movement in their watches. In a way the movement was a big test for Oris and the fact that they couldn’t iron out all the issues effects their score on that test to me. I wish they would have made sacrifices to the power reserve if that would have meant no jumping hands or even made the movement non hacking. I’m definitely interested to see if in the future Oris can get rid of this quirk.
Agreed.
I will add that if Oris wants to increase the brand value then releasing this new movement is a great move towards that goal, but that minute hands issue then screw's up all the hard work, infact it has the potential to damage the brand.
@@lankymk I think it will definitely damage the brand. This is when you hire incompetent managers.
I've experienced that jump effect on some of my vintage Timex's from the 70's and it just is, but a new automatic at that price point, no
I would return any watch that would do this, even a Seiko-5
I don't know about this movement and the movements you're all winding, but Seiko say you should advance the hands to the current time when setting it on an automatic watch. You should not wind the hands back to the current time to set it; that is what you do on quartz watches.
Straight from Oris, operation deemed normal. We all know this should not be normal. Official fix for quirky minute hand movement is to move ahead 5 minutes then back to desired time before you push in crown. Works, still no bueno for a $3500 premium watch.
Smart looking watch but the minute hand issue is a no-go for me.
That minute hand thing is a deal breaker for me, but also the winding seems excessive. I'd rather have an easier-to-live-with ETA caliber.
Yepp,. Sellita is good. But the fact they released such a *broken by design* movement kind of dented their image in my eyes. I can’t stop shaking my head in disbelief.
I want a caliber 400, but in the 41mm
People saying the jumping minute is unacceptable at the price point- this is extremely cheap for inhouse swiss with -3/+5 accuracy, 5 day power reserve, loaded with anti magnetism, 10 year service interval... is it flawed, sure, but don't expect perfection at this price point, there's nothing that compares to it in its price range. Again, this is cheap, I might have to grab this as a beater, what a bargain
They should have updated the design more to differentiate it from the Aquis that use SW movements.
Man...I can hear the discussion at the meeting when they were talking about releasing this.
Marketing...WTF the jumping minute hand is not acceptable.
Engineering...No one included "No jumping hand when setting the watch" in the user requirements.
Marketing...Duh..I can't include the universe in the damn user requirements..IN WHAT WORLD WOULD THIS BE ACCEPTABLE?
Engineering...we can fix this, but this new requirement Marketing is throwing in at the last second will delay launch for at least six months.
Managment...launch the damn thing. We'll deal with it later!
Marketing...ok...time to turn a flaw into a feature...."The owners of this time piece will become intimate with the mechanics and how it operates. Only with time, practice and finesse will the owner be able to operate this watch as intended. The effort will create an unbreakable bond between man and machine."
Engineering...what do you want us to do next?
Marketing...fix the damn movement!
Engineering...Can you document the user requirements? If you can't, we can't justify the project.
Sorry...must have been channeling my day job in this post...
I’m a product owner in Agile organization and I had a hell of chuckle over this one. You speak truths 😄
Nice watch and great for Oris going for in-house movement but the minute hands palaver is just a no no, I'm assuming Oris got to the production before it was spotted.
Regardless if you're a watch guy or some guy of the street, it's just not acceptable imo, especially at that price.
I think the allure of owning the new movement will out weigh the issue for some people though.
Nice ⌚🐿
save up some more and go for a tudor or omega lol.
220 Turns to fully wind the watch. Are you serious. No thanks. It’s a disgrace that they have released a watch with a faulty movement design.
Is it worth twice the price of the selita variant ? Depends on the individual . Personally in the real world I don’t see any real advantages. So certainly would never contemplate paying another 15 or 1600 dollars for this . Tudor went in-house and raised the price by around 400 . I think it’s overpriced...
For $3500, this fails on pretty much all levels. The broken movement is unacceptable
It’s a disaster. Can’t believe they are actually trying to sell this to people.
Wow, big fail Oris - 3500? This movement clearly has bugs. I'm not paying that much for a buggy watch.
Bugs ? I would send a Seiko 5 back if it did what this does.
Well, if regular Aquis (not Caliber 400) does not have this minute hand issue. I would go with regular Aquis, and it is cheaper.
$3,500?
Awesome👏🏻😎🤩!
annoying with the jumping vid, and i hope they fix it, but it wouldn't stop me from buying it, if I were in the market for another Aquis. to clarify: it's not COSC certified (because that would add even more to the cost of the watch for consumers) but it is within COSC specs.
Maybe it's just this one particular watch.
Please stop defending these watch companies Oris ; Seiko; etc it’s not acceptable I am sick of hearing people say “ it’s something you get used to” No ! When your paying good money for any product you expect it to work properly and everything line up properly (seiko) if I buy a watch and something isn’t right it goes straight back ! It’s like people are now forgiving poor workmanship ! Granted you can get the odd lemon but to constantly put out watches with misaligned bezels or other problems is a joke, stop buying them and they will resolve these issues ! Simple, or just carry on on buying them and stop moaning about it and carry on being ripped off
The price jump is way to high for a faulty movement.
I love this watch and actually decided to buy it... BUT after seeing that minute hand jump, I will definitely not buy it - that's a deal braker for me. For a watch in that price range, that's simply not acceptable!
I think they would need to fix the movement before I would buy this watch
Super quick release lugs that I can't use any other strap on.... Minute hand that messes up the TIME, the one thing a watch should do right... C'mon Oris...
Aquis Versus Superocean Heritage Versus Seamaster 300M Prof.
Good move from Oris but the price is too high. I’d take a black bay for cheaper.
I'm an Oris fan, but this is an inexcusable design flaw. You're paying over $1,000 more than the Sellita version, and the minute hand jumps as much as several minutes at a time for a simple time set? No. What's even the point of it being within COSC range if the minute hand is going to jump around like that? If the Cal 400 was this broken during the design stage, they should've scrapped it and started over, or just licensed the SH21 design from Chris Ward. CW's movement doesn't have this problem, it *is* COSC certified, and CW's watches that use it cost A LOT less. Do better, Oris. It's also worth mentioning that the 10 year warranty is nice, but for that $1,000 price jump, you could buy *SIX* SW-200 replacement movements, and stick them in a drawer.
Just needs a Windows upgrade for the fix!
I Love Oris but that's not acceptable regarding the minute hand!
Oris truly lost the plot if they are selling these
@@MrLocsei I found three more videos with ppl saying the same thing! It is very poor off Oris!
When the cheapest watches with the cheapest Chinese movements don't do this, then this minute hand thing is unacceptable on such a quality and otherwise brilliant watch. Telling people to wiggle the crown to fix it (which even then doesn't fully work) is akin to an old car in comedy sketch that has to be kicked before it will start. Give me the same watch with the cheaper movement at a much lower price every day of the week. This should have been picked up and sorted during the development stage. My guess is that it may have been missed and now Oris is having to backtrack with this offbeat 'solution.'
Yepp, complete deal-breaker. Releasing anything with such an obvious and major flaw is beyond belief for me.
Yeah... a Swiss luxury watch costing $3,500 shouldn't have a "quirk"
I think they kind of missed with the price point. $3,500 puts this in direct competition with the black bay 58 and Breitling super ocean. Who wants an Oris over a Breitling or Tudor for the same price?
I think ETA Oris' are great entry level Swiss watches, but Oris just doesn't have the brand cache to be charging luxury watch prices. Maybe their watch is worth that based on merit, but we all know luxury watches sell based on the band name on the dial.
Also that hand jumping issue is completely inexcusable. If Tudor or Breitling released a watch with that issue I don't think anyone would be defending it. It's even worse that Oris don't seem to have any intention of fixing it, they just consider it a feature of the watch.
Definitely a pass from me.
This is like buying a new car and having to do a little trick with the key before starting the car or the ignition wont jump to life. Oris is insulting the intelligence of its customer base but claiming these things aren't problems and that that's just the way it is. Hard pass for me.
Shocking to be honest. Oris just died for me.
Oass, kass, lass, sorry I mean pass. My finger kept jumping around the keyboard.
That's just not acceptable for the minute jump. It cheapens the experience for a $3k+ watch. Don't be the Guinea pig or beta tester for a brand new movement. They'll get it fixed and you'll feel sh!tty u didn't just wait till it was all sorted out. Honestly, what is the hurry to jump on to this new movement and Aquis with it?
Let's not make excuses.. Hacks shouldn't be required for normal watch functions in a luxury watch.
So it’s basically a broken movement - broken by design. Don’t even do a pro/con list... that minute hand jump is a disaster. You basically can’t set the time. Absoute and utter deal breaker. How could they release something like this ? Mind - blown.
Oris is fighting against Tudor and Seiko, where the Tudor probably retains a lot of value, and the Seiko has reliable tried and tested movements in their Prospex line while also offering dressy options through their Presage line. I really hope Oris irons out their movement issues soon and brings mid-sized dress watches in their catalog.
They tried to make their own movements, and utterly failed.
@@MrLocsei Almost every new movement had problems. For example, even the Tudor GMT had teething issues when it was released. I only wish Oris brings an update to their new movement and removes the "5day" slapped on the dial :P
@@MrLocsei stop overreacting. It's just a watch, don't like it, don't buy it. You're not entitled to the perfect movement just because you dropped the current street price of 2.4k usd (don't ever pay full retail for anything other than a Rolex)
There's watches that sell for 20k+ that need a service yearly. This has a 10 year interval. TEN YEARS. Why can't something that cost me 30k have to get serviced every goddam year? Why isn't that considered a flaw? It costs me a lot more in service fees to upkeep that pos than it does to just wiggle a crown for 2 seconds every 5 days.
Why isn't it a flaw for omega to charge all this money for the Speedmaster Professional and not up the water resistance and include stop seconds. Why isn't it a flaw for the new model to be cam actuated?
Why aren't these all flaws? Because it's personal, it's subjective. What's a flaw for you isn't a flaw for me and vice versa. I don't have a problem wiggling a crown but I do have a problem servicing a 30k watch every year.
THE MINUTE HAND IS UNACCEPTABLE!! DEAL BREAKER
Way overpriced. You'd be crazy to get this over a Tudor or Omega.
"Just keep it wound" or "learn the trick" are not really acceptable solutions to an issue like this, they're more closely reminiscent of a workaround I'd do when holding off repairing something...
Broken by design
Broken movement LOL
Oris isn‘t t h a t good. (Some) Models with useless nonsense dials. Now they have introduced the ‚jumping hand‘ and the ‚overshooting method‘ to handle it. Nice innovation? No, my $ 10.- mvtmv had this already. I will be smart, save up twice of its price and buy something old school.
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