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A DIFFICULT Shakedown Run | Poughkeepsie Gulch Colorado Trail Guide
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- Poughkeepsie Gulch is known as San Juan's Toughest Trail. We take it to create a video Trail Guide with my brand new completely stock Jeep TJ, a Cherokee KL Trailhawk, a Nissan Xterra, a Jeep JK, and Sean's brand new Jeep Wrangler JLU. We start on Mineral Creek also known as Lower Engineer Pass and then head onto Poughkeepsie Gulch. We don't bypass the good stuff and show how the Colorado Mallcrawlers get it with what many consider underpowered off-road vehicles. Will we succeed?
Channel Members have access to our filming schedule and I want you to be in the videos! The Black Bear crew gets additional easy to edit videos but offer more up to date info on trails (since guides take a while to put together). The Holy Cross crew gets more say in what videos get edited for the channel (video credits and early looks at Trail Guide edits). / @coloradomallcrawlers
About Colorado Mallcrawlers:
We are a channel that aims to show incredible off-road trails and our adventures to get through them with stock or your not so typical off-road vehicles. If that sounds like a fun watch, we'd love to have you as a subscriber!
Dewie's Current Vehicles:
2021 stock Jeep Wrangler Rubicon JL (CO)
2005 stock Jeep Liberty KJ Rocky Mountain Edition (TN)
2004 stock Jeep Wrangler Rubicon TJ (CO)
The Main Crew's vehicles include a 2019 modified Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk (Sean), 2021 stock Jeep Wrangler Unlimited JLU (Sean), 2000 modified Nissan Xterra, Mystery Project (Drew). We have a variety of friends with cool vehicles that will show up from time to time.
Here's one of our Trails playlists:
• Summit County Off-road...
00:00 Jam packed Trail Guide
00:39 Meet my newest Stock Off-roader
01:12 How to get to Mineral Creek/Poughkeepsie
02:06 Vehicle Information on our first optional obstacle
03:49 Sketchy Shelf Road
05:15 Ouray mining History
05:56 Mineral Creek's mandatory obstacles
08:22 Fun at the Poughkeepsie Gulch Trailhead
09:39 Where I'm camping in 2024
10:51 Colorado is stunning!
12:55 Best Time to hit this trail
14:24 Can't bypass this
16:49 This shouldn't have been a problem
17:49 This might be a problem, the wall route
21:33 Poughkeepsie's Wall
27:37 More Obstacles, I thought we were done
29:42 Lots of trails to exit on
32:25 Trail Review from the mallcrawlers
33:19 a long journey left
33:40 i put this at the end because i dont want anyone to see this part
Looks like those Duke boys got themselves in a whole heap of trouble again...
It was a wild time!
Your editing was perfect and want a great watch! thank you!
Thanks so much buddy!
Great video, thanks for posting. I've failed on the loose climb twice on my dirtbike. Once things slowed down and the back tire dug down, game over. I recently bought a 2024 Ranger full-size that now has a 2" lift and 27's with beadlocks. A winch is coming. I like my chances for next year.
Great video yet again mate! Can't wait to see what all video we got from our trip up that trail!
I’m excited to make that… since it won’t be a trail guide, it’ll allow for a bit of creativity while still being useful I think. Gotta talk to Drew and see what he wants to edit next… I probably won’t make it till next summer if he wants to cut the trip video of this one. Day 2 had some unexpected events which will be interesting I think.
Putting some sway bar disconnects on the TJ would help it immensely.
Absolutely!
In addition to the useful and informative content, I love the editing. Great pacing and "flow" give the video a fun feeling. Nicely done!
Awesome, thank you for the feedback! I’ll try to keep it going on my next edit.
I did "the wall" over 11 years ago in my built ZJ. It was my first difficult trail after the build. I still have fond memories as to how well the ZJ performed. I was with the Military Jeepers out of Colorado Springs & was so glad I didn't embarrass myself. I sold that ZJ a coupla years ago & the new owner still takes it out on the trails from time to time.
That’s awesome and sounds like an incredible group! Hope you have something else now so you can still get out there!
That white Jeep doesn't go 4 wheeling, it goes 3 wheeling.😂
lol, but you gotta admire his determination. If he started on the left side, he’d have made it.
This group is stackin. Shiny new whips. Sean can really drive cool to see what he can do in that Rubicon.
Lol, Sean certainly can!
Dewey great job on videos and really appreciate you effort to show exact mapped locations and technical info.
I appreciate that! Thank you!
The Trailhawk driver needs to stay in the vehicle!! He’s one bump/slip away from getting himself or a cameraman killed!!😬
Love your videos!!!
He addressed it in another comment. Cameraman which is usually me is my own responsibility, but thanks for looking out. Thank you for being a part of the channel!
All them badges and campfire stories that Cherokee driver tells of victory. LOL
All the vehicles did great but it’s amazing what you can do in a stock four-door JL Rubicon!
Definitely but the 4 door wasn’t stock… stock 2 door vs stock 4 door, which is more capable? It’s a good debate I often see, but I know what I believe.
@@coloradomallcrawlers I owned a 2021 Rubicon two-door and then now I have a 2024 Rubicon four-door extreme recon. They both have their pluses and minuses but I feel like the four-door might actually be more capable especially in areas like Moab Utah.
I’d love to test that… tires need to be the same size and same transmission tho.
Looks like a bunch of fun! Thanks for the great video 👍👍
Thanks for watching!
What a great trek. I had the 2002 TJ Sport in Yellow. Brings back great memories.
It feels good to drive one again… it’s definitely a drastic difference switching from the TJ to JL in the same day.
What an awesome time. Honored to tag along with this crew. All I can say is... my poor bike! 😂😖
Thanks so much for coming buddy!
Oh man, anytime!! 🤙🏼
I was left wondering why the heck you took a bike and accompanying bike rack. Also, it didn’t look like anyone aired down much, if at all.
@@shainester Because I live in my Jeep. This was addressed in the comments already. Everyone was aired down except Dewie, who has explained repetitively why he doesn't air down. 🙂✌🏼
Also, I do air down, but not all the time. My video prove you don’t need to air down for every trail. You are always welcome to and I don’t encourage others to follow my lead… I’m just a decades long off-roader and have no issue with comfort on the trail. Had it been raining while wheeling, I would have aired down. While the others aired down, I set up the cameras to film this video.
Great video as always! I've never had the group or guts to tackle that trail. Back in the day I was using the Wells off-road guide to get around. Did lots of San Juan trails but avoided this one based on the guide. But after seeing this I'm putting it on my to do list!
Nice! Go for it! It’s one of our favs now.
Absolutely phenomenal I loved the entire thing and I can’t wait to try this trail out on my upcoming Colorado trip!!
You should! It’s a fun one!
This video brings back great memories. Did this in the mid 90's in my stock 71 Scout 800B, took the left line.
That’s awesome to hear! Thanks for watching!
thanks for all the great videos.
Thanks for watching them!
the guy in the white cherokee hanging out the window looks like ace ventura
Don't be afraid to air down more, you'd be surprised how much traction your vehicles would gain ! Looked like most of you were close to street pressure. You don't need beadlocks near as much as the "experts" who run them say.
Really nice video !!
@timmcooper294 Airing down in most situations on most Colorado trails is really only for comfort. On this trail the Xterra was at 17 and I know the JLU was around the same. Most tires really don't start massively deforming to a degree large enough to affect the contact patch until around 15 psi, as you mentioned looking at my Duratracts even though they are also only thinner 6 ply and load range C they still didn't deform much. And on my 33s I needed all the clearance I could get. If there was mud/snow or if the rocks were wet would have been the only reason I would have gone lower. Appreciate your input and glad you enjoyed the video!
Thank you about the video! As Drew said, none of us are afraid to air down and we have all been very low on non-beadlocks. I air down for sand, snow, mud, wet rocks, and on the trail when I actually need more traction. I don’t need it for comfort and our videos show you don’t need it for most Colorado trails. This is also a trail guide… it should never look too easy.
I totally get it, I guess after 40 years of off roading I'm a little too used to seeing more tire flex and better hooking up when climbing. Especially the little TJ! I run 2 rigs, one on 37's and the other on 7.50-16 bias ply "grave diggers". I live a few miles from the Rubicon, and several other trails more difficult than it are close by. I hate giving up ground clearance, but the traction of single digits got me into the habit. Even my little 32 inch 7.50-16's get down to 9psi front, 7 psi rear and hook up amazing. Got tired of bead lock problems many years ago , so I built my own "cheater" wheels for both rigs.
Keep up with the nice videos !!@@coloradomallcrawlers
@@coloradomallcrawlerswouldn’t airing down help the trail not get rutted out?
@AustinH7 nah, I believe that’s an old wives tale based on watching a ton of off-road film while editing. As a scientist, I believe more regimented testing needs to be done… but I’m fairly certain that it’s multifactorial. With speed, big tires, heavy rigs, and 2WD wheeling being more consequential than aired up small tires going through a trail slowly. We film a lot of close up angles of tires and that’s where I really observed it.
Great videos - fun and informative. Also nice showing a mix of vehicles, rather than only over-built rigs that make driving too much a cake walk.
Thank you!
Great video always looking forward to your next.
Thank you! My next edit is horse creek with the liberty, Drew is finishing up our best day of our overland trip… pearl pass!
I was going to check this out this past summer after hiking sneffels. After watching this I’m glad I didn’t since I felt like I was in WAY over my head just driving up to the 4wd parking spot for that hike. Great video
I bet that was a great hike! Glad the video was helpful and thank you!
that was great, its on the list for my xj this next year
Heck yeah buddy!
TJ's and XJ's man. They are classic and the best Jeep has ever made. I'd say keep that TJ as mint as you can. It looked great and so did the video!
Thank you! It has lockers so I probably am not going to adjust anything. Well, besides probably adding armor and maybe doing the belly up mod with disconnects. I just want to know when it struggles as that help me make better guides.
@@coloradomallcrawlers I had a senior moment when i made the limited slip comment.lol. I saw you had lockers at the start of the video and just completely forgot. ugh. I did make a quick edit hoping you wouldn't see it but was unsuccessful. haha. Really enjoyed the video and can't wait to see part 2!
lol, it’s all good… the liberty might get a limited slip, altho I really want to put a rear locker in it.
This might be my favorite one so far. 👍👍
Thank you!
Love the video. Thanks
Thank you!
Great variety of newer and classic 4x4s! Even with 4/5 being jeeps lol
Thanks buddy and thanks for all you have done this year!
@@coloradomallcrawlers you are very welcome! It's been some of the best time of my life on and off trail!
The Trail hawk is way more capable than I thought. Nice to see what many consider a mommy wagon out there.
Great commentary, and the use of digital maps is really well done.
I love the info boxes and the jokes
Good use & non use of music. Nice to hear the flex and release of the suspensions.
PUT DONNA IN! Seriously get the ladies in their rigs as it’s fun to watch and will drive viewership way way up.
I have no idea why you don’t have more subs. I can watch a 30+ minute video of yours way easier than some Jeep Bro’s 10 minutes.
Keep wheeling and keep humble.
Great job.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that as I want the videos to be enjoyable but also useful. I think it’d be awesome to have more subs, but I’m truly grateful for the ones we do have. As a video creator, I’m truly just thankful people watch our videos… that’s pretty awesome to us!
Only concern is the Trailhawk driver should not reach almost his entire upper body out of the window when going over off-camber obstacles. If his vehicle suddenly goes he won't have time to pull back into the cabin. He should either walk the trail more or rely on spotters.
He addressed it in a previous comment. The thing is, it’s hard to put yourself out there and wheel for a large audience (which I feel our videos reach). It opens you up to a lot of scrutiny, but I know we all make mistakes out there wheeling. So, I’d look at his comment if you want more insight into it.
Great trail video, Dewie! Stay safe.
Thanks, you too!
Love the new Jeep Dewie.
Thank you!
Great video. I am looking forward to the WK2 footage
Awesome! If I can figure it out, a WK2 is high on my list… my dad is getting one tho so I use the video to convince him to let me wheel his in the future.
I have an 05 Rubicon with the 6 speed manual and obviously the 4.0L. It's super reliable and an absolute beast, though it is built out to be fair...
Awesome!
bath tub trickle of a "waterfall" HAHA It's nice
Water is falling… that’s a waterfall to me. Not necessarily an impressive waterfall tho.
YO DEWIE...That's such a KICK ASS Trail !!!!! ( It kicked Mine The First time I did it and I Didn't even TRY to attempt The WALL ...LOL) THANKS AGAIN, And Keep up the KILLER content And GREAT work on the Wall Buddy !!!!!🤘😄🤘 IMOGENE is STILL my fave tho !!!
Thanks buddy! Imogene is beautiful, but our day on it had some unexpected occurrences lol. Still, that’ll be a Drew edit so I’m sure he’ll make it awesome!
@@coloradomallcrawlers CANT WAIT To see it !!!!😄😄😄😄
TJ TJ TJ Rubicon and Trailhalk that's all I read here look at that Nissan Xterra is kicking ASS. Who are you calling under dog?. New follower here great videos.
That xterra is sweet! Thank you and welcome!
@@coloradomallcrawlers watching the video for the third time as we speak 😊
I love the stock vehicles with small tires. You don't need 35"+ tires with front and rear lockers to do these trails.
Absolutely!
That Trailhawk couldn't flex enough.
Yet, Trailhawks make up for it usually with traction. However, my Liberty doesn’t flex either, but I love wheeling it.
I drove my Escalade ESV down Mineral Creek trail from Engineer pass. Pretty spicy and the last part was really rough before they fixed it.
That sounds like an awesome time!
@coloradomallcrawlers Hahaha, I had no idea where I was going. East side of Engineer pass was so easy, but the west side through Mineral Creek was pretty nutty.
Great video! What's up with the dude hanging half way out of the Cherokee? 😂😂😂
Thanks! Zach use to do that too… I think the KL is just tricky visibility wise.
I'd say so. They are capable rigs though. I use to own a Cherokee Trailhawk myself.
Nice video. I’ve done the trail many times and it deserves its reputation. Thanks for reminding viewers of The Wall’s dangers. Many people have overestimated their capabilities and rolled off of it. Injuries are not uncommon. Using the new bypass isn’t chickening out, it’s good sense.
Absolutely!
This was literally the first time I've wheeled with other people. I've gotten so used to wheeling alone that this has just become a habit of mine (for better or worse). I typically do a walk through of an obstacle, taking note of where my driver front tire should be for my line, and I lean out to see it. It is indeed not the best visibility out of the seat. 🤙🏼
That blue Xterra did itself proud. White cherokee guy, not so sure about.
Drew and his Xterra are quite awesome!
Great video and info on the trail. Is that commonly done as an out-and-back?
Most people use it as a through route. I tried showing it, but you can exit back to the highway via hurricane and corkscrew. That’s what we did as we were camped on corkscrew. It’s a lot of distance, but the trails are easy. You can also go further back and explore the alpine loop, but I’d be prepared to camp if I did that.
It's weird to me that here in america we view lockers and winching as somehow cheating... I've never understood it. From what I see in video it's not looked down on in other countries.
Very cool video btw. I will have to check it out this fall when my group heads over that way.
I wouldn’t say America does… I just like a challenge and lockers make everything so easy.
I remember this trail from Donut Medias Tacoma trip video
They made a great video on it!
That rack on the back of the KL is a giant hindrance.never understood why people want to kill there clearance with adding one of those.
He’s an adventurer… he wheels, he bikes, he hikes. In the winter, my jeep gets a ski rack and I still do trails. The ski rack hinders my fuel mileage and makes me a risk for hitting snow covered tree branches. Yet, skiing is worth it as I’m out of shape.
@@coloradomallcrawlers lol a ski rack is no where near the hindrance that tire rack on the KL is.that ski rack doesn’t kill your departure angles either.
@midnitesilverrun8631 I’ve run a lot of trails with my camper hitch sticking out. That’s similar. If it causes a problem, you take it out. Exactly what he did here with the bike. He probably could have benefited from taking the whole rack off tho for the obstacle. However, I don’t tell people what to do with their own stuff.
Great detail on the obstacles! Hey, what dates did you run it?
August 20th 2023 I believe. I think I put it in the edit.
Actually air down more and these trips would be a lot easier, not just as far as difficulty but easier on the vehicle, less chance of breaking. The only one I saw who was aired down enough was the Orange Wrangler. The tires should squat a bit even on flat ground.
I air down for sand, snow, mud, and wet rocks. I didn’t see those conditions here. I didn’t get winched and I had a very enjoyable ride. Who tells you guys that you need to air down for everything? I’m all for you doing whatever you want tho… that’s freedom. My experience has given me the freedom to know I can set up cameras while everyone else airs downs and that’s exactly what I do.
@@coloradomallcrawlers As you said, if you really want a rougher ride, less traction, more chances of breaking something, more chance of sidewall punctures, and to tear up the terrain more then you have the right to do so. But apparently you know the advantages of airing down, were rocks mean to you in school so you cant air down for them? hehehe
I started wheeling in 1967 when my father bought his first Jeep and I got my own Jeep when I was 15. There is no combination of vehicle/tires/terrain I havent seen hundreds of times over in the last 50+ years.
Just trying to help, airing down is something that is not as common as it used to be. Years ago EVERYONE on a trip aired down, this was before anyone had compressors on their vehicles. In your video everyone struggled on obstacles that you should have walked up, and I am not talking about the wet rocks.
This is a difficult rated trail and we had small vehicles by modern day standards doing it with relative ease. Our core crew also all goes for the harder lines to make the video more interesting. We are making a guide, we don’t want it to look too easy. It needs to show the true overall difficulty of the trail. Also, it was all our first time (except Eric) on the trail. I walked up this trail in the JL when I was just backing up a friend.
I haven’t been wheeling as long as you, but I have been wheeling for a long time. I spent a lot of time in off-road parks with mid south Jeeps. I learned a lot from those old school wheelers along with my own experience. We all knew the benefits of airing down for certain conditions, but overall it was a waste of time of easier difficult trails like this one. I also wheel stock, and have yet to truly break something and I wheel trails people think my stock Jeep doesn’t belong on.
I respect your decision to air down, but I get told to air down way too much. I have rarely been hindered from not being aired down and I do a lot of trails and have done a ton of trails over the last two decades. I also show when I need to air down (wheeler lake, radical hill) which offers additional insight to a trail guide which is what I do here.
Nice video as always :) but why did you get a TJ, you had a newer Wrangler Rubicon as I remember, right? Maybe you explained and I didn't catch that, sorry.
I have both, and the liberty. The thing is the JL makes most of Colorado’s trails too easy. I enjoy wheeling for the scenery, but I want some challenge on easier trails. So my plan is to armor up the JL and probably add 35s and gears and use that on trails like Mount Blanca. I’d build the factory Jeep that Jeep should have built… an extreme recon 2 door. Then the liberty and TJ will take over on most trail guides. My goal is that we are looked at as a trails channel… not really a Jeep channel.
@@coloradomallcrawlers Oh I see thank you! Have fun! :)
Your 2004 Rubicon should have a
Nv3550 trans not a ax15. Ax15's were stopped being used after 1999 I believe. But anyways nice rubicon, I love my 05 rubi and miss my 03
You are right… nv3550 in the 04 4.0. Thanks!
Wouldn't it be cool if Jeep came out with a Wrangler or entirely new vehicle that slots above the Rubicon 392 in terms of killer offroading performance? Minimum 37" tires and better shocks, winch, etc.
It would, but they’d ignore the 2 door model so I’m over what FCA/Jeep does. I’ll just do what I want myself.
That guy hanging half his body out of the window in a full independent suspension vehicle with absolutely no articulation was killing me this whole video. One bad wheel lift and splat. Get him a spotter!
He wheels alone a lot. It just works for him, but I understand your concern.
what happens when you're on a shelf road and a group of people are coming the other direction?
You maneuver to get in the clear of each other
I can see you need to air down, tires way to hard. like 18 pounds in those rocks. It will be much smoother riding too.
Yet I am comfortable at full psi. Airing down use to be for traction, now all I hear is for comfort. Maybe I’m just too old school, but I still stick to airing down for traction meaning lower psi for sand, mud, wet rocks, and snow.
What happened with the random shot of the guy in the stretcher?
ATV roll over
Yellow jeep lol ok we get it
I’ve had 8 Jeeps… three were green as that’s what I personally preferred. Sarge is one of my favorite colors. However all my green jeeps haven’t been as good as my yellow jeeps. My mom originally got me my first yellow Jeep (the 2000 TJ sport). I was using a 1997 2.5L TJ… I didn’t want the color, but I wanted the motor. However yellow has served me well and I now prefer it.
Did you get rid of the Liberty? 😅
The Liberty has been overheating all of 2023. I live in Colorado and it’s in Tennessee. When I fly to Tennessee, it’s to help my parents, not do stuff for myself (like fix the liberty). So it has been a slow process, but it no longer overheats and my next edit is a liberty video.
So the GUY in the TRAIL HAWK he IDENTIFIES as a DOG right??? Is his PRONOUN ROVER???
Damn has anyone ever tried to DIVE the pool in that Waterfall for GOLD???
I’m not sure, but it’s Colorado so my guess is probably.
What do you mean by this comment exactly??
That Cherokee has no business on these trails
Who are you to say what belongs on the trail or not? That KL had no problems on the trail except this optional obstacle. A week later, my buddy got up in a stock grand cherokee trailhawk on all season tires.
Someone should tell that red rubicon driver how to drive. Pretty sure his super attractive girlfriend would definitely have done better 😉
I thought I did… put Donna in! Lol
@@coloradomallcrawlers😂
What's with the dude in the Cherokee? Always sticking his head out the window.
Visibility, see his comment as he explained it.
City kids in the way, advertising this beautiful area to other city kids.......the more money than brains club.
This trail is described in Funtreks, Trailsoffroad, and countless other videos. I make videos so people like my mom can see these beautiful places as well as guides so all Americans can see they land they pay taxes on.
Jeeps are all absolute lemons... Just ask people that buy them once and never again
I’ve hadn’t had that experience… I keep trying new ones to see if I’ll be one of them. This was a joke about it being a lemon because it got stuck. The yellow ones got stuck in mud too so I was trying to show I wasn’t really serious. I did keep the 2000 over the 2004 tho, I just liked my 2000 a lot.
That white Cherokee is almost worse than a Subaru. That thing’s horrible.
Almost as horrible as liking your own comment, right?
@@coloradomallcrawlers cute.