College protesters demand universities divest from Israel amid war in Gaza
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- More than 2,300 arrests have been made at campus protests across the country. NYT Columnist Nicholas Kristof argues that while the intent of these encampments in opposing Israel’s war in Gaza may be noble, “more aggressive actions” taken by protesters may diminish their ability to make an impact. Jewish Currents editor-at-large Peter Beinart agrees that reports of antisemitism can harm protesters’ cause, but argues some protests are yielding results and provoking dialogue about divestment.
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#Protestors #Israel #Palestine
It's amazing how people are so shocked that some people don't want to have a hand in a genocide, even remotely.
I’m amazed you managed to use the G word and didn’t have your comment taken down. I get a error message 10seconds after almost any comment like this.
@FoxLies-FoolsBuy right!?
It happens to me all the time, too.
Because spreading misinformation is not ok by the CZcams TOS.
There's no "genocide." It's obvious that Israel isn't murdering civilians, and you know that. You're just promoting hate, anti-Semitism and terrorism.
How is this misinformation?@@alaric_
“The terrible massacre on October 7th”……. Compare that to the 35,000 innocent Palistinian women and children that have been murdered by the IDF since
Israel isn't murdering civilians.
all innocent? IDF must be pretty bad at war that they haven't managed a single militant
@@chrisdurham1144Kinda. But, not really.
this is not even close to being true.
people are killed all of the time, however there is only one reason people are protesting this war.
that number includes combatants its not all civilians
Of all the casualties in Gaza, how many were Hamas fighters? 3%? 5%? 8%? 25%?.... vs tens of thousands of civilians, many thousands of children?
You are on the right track as Hamas hides the tens of thousands dead soldiers in the "civilian casualties" numbers. Why doesnt left ever ask where are the Hamas soldiers in the reported numbers?
Unfortunately with war. There is a thing called collateral damage.
I am going to guess 85%
@@ditzdark8639collateral damage is not an excuse for mass civilian casualties. An advanced military like Israel with its funds should be able to avoid this many casualties
The polls show that 70% of the Gaza population as a whole supports Hamas. So, I will go with 70%. Since Hamas refuses to wear uniforms, you have to assume 100% . You have no idea which person is wearing a suici%e vest. They were all taught to hate Jews growing up and the fake maps showing a fictious place called Palestine that encompasses Gaza and Israel. Stupid just cannot be fixed.
Activists are not responsible for any backlash. That suggests citizens should self-censor their values and cede power to reactionary populists. Sitting on our hands and hoping conservatives wake up is a fools errand. The fact they oppose everything, including reality, is on them.
so only so called "liberals" speak for reality?
Still haven’t seen or heard any recordings of antisemitism… are you guys just not playing them? Are we just supposed to take everyone’s word for it? I think it is horrible if it is a growing problem, but I feel like we would have actually seen some on the news by now if it was running rampant.
Because manbc is not news it's opinion
It’s a tactic by the right to turn a thing into its opposite.
@@Rnanknthis is msnbc...that's left not the right
You mean the figures that the IDF’s own numbers have validated after every conflict in recent history? I think all the numbers are probably off. Hard to count the thousands under rubble in a razed city.
You mean the figures that the IDF’s own numbers have validated after every conflict in recent history? I think all the numbers are probably off. Hard to count the thousands under rubble in a razed city
Reading some of these comments is so disappointing. You don't have to be educated to know right from wrong. What Israel is doing to Palestinian civilians is wrong. The people calling other people sheep need to look in the mirror. It's your tax dollars.
gotta love the selected outrage....lol.
we all know why people are protesting this particular conflict while they ignore countless others.
@@BillBarr4Presidentfor the millionth time. We aren't giving billions to Russia or China to commit genocide. We are however doing that for Israel and we are protecting their leaders from being prosecuted.
@@BillBarr4President Countless others, huh? Okay... name one.
It's sad what Hamas is doing to its own brothers, its children, its grandchildren, its women, its mothers. It's horrifying and sad to place missiles in a child's room, under babies, under schools, bombs, to send children as young as 5 to Hamas training camps, to massacre 1500 people, to kidnap 400 Israelis including Arabs as well, to kidnap a baby not even a year old, to snatch him from his mother, to commit atrocities to women on October 7th and also to the captives, to torture for over 6 months. Instead of returning the captives, they claim that the prisoners who committed attacks in Israel against Israelis are also captives, which is delusional. It's sad that they push their children towards IDF soldiers even though the IDF asked to evacuate and waited for weeks. It's madness and terribly sad.
Honest eyes always recognize atrocity.
Apparently genocide is a bad thing.
Jen o side joe.
@@GotThatSOULgloware you sure ? Everyone sees the extremist gov policies and devastation in plain sight.
@@GotThatSOULglow Incorrect
You may accuse Israel on many things but it's not genocide.
@@alaric_ The ICC recognizes that there is likely a genoclde in gza perpetrated by lsreal. Independent human rights agencies as well as human rights attorneys overwhelmingly agree that lsreal is perpetrating a genoclde. Top isreali government officials in their own words have clearly shown "intent," which is the most difficult stipulation to prove when prosecuting a genoclde. Top government officials are literally openly making their plans known to "relocate" whoever is left of the people of palstine after the wàr in order to build resorts and condos in gza. lsreals actions meet the criteria of a genoclde as defined bu article ll of the UN convention
Yes, it is the protesters fault that the Vietnam war lasted as long as it did. That makes sense ... And ali didn't even call him on that. Wow
Velshi has made a deal with the devil as it were.
Yeah, where did Kristof come up with that, the VN war would still be going on today if not for my generations moral persistence.
@@billyboy1093 His theory is that the backlash to the protests led Nixon to defeat Humphrey in '68 because the Dems were wedged by the GOP on the issue, which battered them constantly on the behavior of the protestors. Not saying I agree with it.
He supported those protests, and supports the protest on university campuses. What he is saying is that if and when protests become violent, they lose credibility. Protests MUST be peaceful. Some of the Vietnam protests did become violent and therefore lost credibility which didn't help the Vietnamese.
Using protesters prolonged a war. Will you really need to spend some time learning instead of guessing? You couldn't be more wrong. Protesters have nothing to do with the warrant. Vietnam, it had to do with your government. And it's decisions to have a strategic position. Please learn a little bit before you start just spouting off
Gotta disagree with Kristoff! Blaming student protest for what news media CHOOSES to talk about is absurd! Absolutely nothing is stopping corporate media from talking about what's happening on the ground except their own decision-making. Maybe if they stop looking for clickbait and stop trying to create a narrative they would have the time to actually report real facts about this genocide.
IM crying when i see them it remember me the Vietnam Era .. theses kids are back as it was on the 70 s 80 s on the fight for more humanity .. ..
People need facts not opinions...
@microbe_rz31uh huh. Let’s just ignore the reason why the cops had to be called in.
@@DisaffectedLiberal Let's just ignore the reason why the encampments and protestors had to take over terrorist cells that fund treason (money to Israel)
@microbe_rz31 people camp in the United States too. Your country isn’t special.
@microbe_rz31 Spreading misinformation. In the Nordics, camping is legal everywhere but in PRIVATE LAND (unless they give permission) and where the owner explicitly forbids it (like schools, market venues and such). You cannot go "ANYWHERE" and just camping just because. Read the laws before lying.
None of these are protests and that is extremely clear to anyone with a brain
They should stop protesting and air their concerns on social media. And then get all their comments erased
Listen to the youth❤❤❤❤❤❤
Nah
Youth listens to TikTok.
Not when they support radical islamic fundamentalists nope
We did have a discussion about university complicity in ISrael's crimes except it was in 2013-2015 around the time that Israel was bombarding Gaza last. Several University of California campuses passed divestment measures but then they were challenged inside the UC Regents system and ultimately we are back doing it again. We need to learn what went wrong last time so that we don't repeat the same mistakes.
Divide and conquer . Simple people make it so easy for the people who actually run this world.
And if you controlled your boarders this nonsense would not happen! If they truly believe what they are protesting they would be buying a ticket and fighting there not here!
Thank you! 😢
the word *antisemetic* sounds like it would include the other countries around
isreal in the near east why does everyone use this word when they mean antijewish?
a university should not have ANY investments they should do education and research
sports also its a distraction at best abolish it
In Germany WWII how many Civilians died compared to Army? 5 Million civilians died?
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Queers for Palestine is one of the funniest things i have ever heard
Mr Velshi suggests to wait until the fall to discuss what the students are trying to address right now? I think we are forgetting that the historical moment for a reaction that was predictable given the humanitarian catastrophe that is being fueled right now by the genocidal actions of the occupier gradually and following the Israeli armed incursion (reference: ICJ and the UN), and we need to continue waiting? Wait for more evidences of a genocide and other international violations to develop. Mr Christof, by contrast, summarized violations of international norms and the legal framework tha have been signed and ratified by the majority of the countries singed at preventing further crimes from being committed. The latter demonstrates the need to stop the violations now.
Go protest in Gaza
So you support the murder of innocent women & children?
Why don’t you go fight ? If you believe that much? You probably couldn’t point to Gaza on a map ffs🤡
@@senanshortt5521 Don't protest for terrorists in America.
@@letsgorandall9848 Israel is the terrorist
It's free country you go to North Korea
Why don’t we have word peace?
It's the ultimate selfie, filming yourself "protesting". Those are your spoiled brats America.....
This generation is absolutely COOKED
That is a personal choice, similar to investing domestically.
Isn't this the guy who claimed there were "mostIy peaceful protests" while an inferno raged behind him?
Remember it's (D)ifferent whenever they do it.
Objectively the protests are overwhelmingly peaceful. The only ones that have become violent are when the cops have started violence. Student protests from Vietnam, the Iraq War, civil rights, have always been hated by the establishment, but history sides with them. The same will be true of these student protests.
when
College students demands and $5 will maybe get you a cup of coffee...imagine if I took over my company building and demanded they change how they run their business? So what happens if next week, students sympathetic to Israel take over the campus and demand that they invest in Israel? Students have a choice, leave if you don't like the universities policies or honor your contractual agreement for admission, get your education and then go find a way to make the world a better place.
Hamas lovers.
I am a Semite because I am descended from Shem, son of Noah. The word "Semite", does not have anything AT ALL, whatsoever, about religion. It is about a bloodline and the inheritance. The inheritance of the bloodline of Jacob, which the Zionists have stolen. Period. End of discussion.
Right?!
I mean, Arabs are Semite's too.
The term "Semite" has fallen into disuse when it comes to categorizing non-Jewish people. Word usage can change over time.
@@chrisdurham1144 It doesn’t change the fact that non-Jews, like Arabs and Assyrians, speak Semitic languages as well. Anti-semitism is an overused and outdated term. Judeophobia or anti-Jewish bigotry would probably be more appropriate terms.
@@swnerd-2320 It's just how the word is used.
34,000 Semitic people have been murdered in Gaza. Who's the real antisemite?
Not going to be a good quarter, Quiet Shutdown underway …
Hamas is an Islamist militant group that spun off from the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood in the late 1980s. It took over the Gaza Strip after defeating its rival political party, Fatah, in elections in 2006
which companies are in our bank’s portfolio?
Stop covering this nonsense. I don’t care what these protesters think.
Israel has been a poor steward of our partnership. They are dismissive, even contemptuous of our calls for restraint. This relationship must be curtailed
But you're ok with NATO members not helping us with the bill.
Izzzreal is like the black sheep of the family who keeps showing up and asking for more money and we do it so they just go away. But it's gotten worse. The black sheep is now not only taking our family's money, but they're demanding use of our car. And they're saying, "I'm moving in and now I'm the one in charge!"
Well said...
@@jamesswain2465settle down, fascist.
Nobody gives a crap about Sudan right? Just this because it’s trendy.
As if the NY times actually is a newspaper that matters anymore
...because you disagree with them, right? Wow, so much basis for big claims!
@@alaric_ Show me some great things they have done. They do not have journalists anymore.
@@alaric_ Haven't they taken away the rights of others in their protests? Do you think it was a good thing about them destroying ucla? Did you see the aftermath?
@crombee8947 oh brother. They are left wing propagandists. They do not have any real journalists.
CIA media
Isreal does not have a right to exist as Jewish state, thats an ethnostate
Check the hate in your own heart
@@Markiboy3 actually given to them by the United Nations
who elected you as the Judge on what a state is?
@crombee8947 "their land" - show me any time then or at any time in the past prior to 1948 when there was a Palestine
@@toddl3328 it's not hateful
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If these students love Hamas so much and the Palestinians so much, then stop protesting, stop blocking traffic, and get a plane ticket
and go to Gaza and help the people. Stop acting like spoiled brats. Anyone can scream, not everyone can give up their privileged lifestyle
and go to these countries and truly help. I HAVE!!!!!!!!!
Global intifada!
Were is mt feet flag
oh the disappearing comments again. nicely done youtube and msnbc.
nothing like what it was during covid or during the first year of Ukraine war but still censorship is such an insult to democracy
So misguided.
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What investments into Israel companies have to do with Gaza ?
Do you normally invest your money in evil?
@@zepher664 "Evil" by your saying. You are biased and apparently don't care about the facts. Perhaps educate yourself and then get back to the discussion?
@@alaric_you need educating on the facts that 35,000 people have been killed by the IDF mostly women and children
The shareholders of these universities are not interested in losing money to make a political statement. I cannot imagine a university having enough cash revenue to invest in an arms dealer to Israel. Even if the protestors could get colleges to divest in arms suppliers, the suppliers would just increase the cost per bomb. 1ea. 1000kg bomb = $25,000 USD. As of April 2024, the United States has given Israel around $300 billion in total economic and military aid. The University investments are just a drop in the buck and are meaningless.
@@zepher664All corporate money goes to evil. Do your research!!
And there you go, Ali. You've given a balanced piece with some history mixed in. If MSNBC doesn't value you, people like me do. I'm the loud mouth of the bunch, so Im saying it for the rest of them
They started this war and nurtured innocent men women van children don’t cry now
Now, when you say "started" I guess I think of origins of a conflict. We should really get to the bottom of this
Four thousand years ago the Creator of the Universe made an everlasting covenant with a Hebrew named Abraham. All the land from the Euphrates to the Nile belongs to the Sons of Israel. Shock waves will shake the earth as Heaven reaches down to fulfill that promise. Every nation that attempts to interfere with that Covenant will march onto the Battlefield against the “All Mighty”!
Fun fact: There was a ceasefire in place before Oct 7th.
@mananimal3644 Fact: show me Palestine on a map.
@@mananimal3644You hate America.. just say it already.
@@mattyjay8896don’t be a mor.on all your life…
@@mattyjay8896, they show it all the time on the evening news.
Do you know where your head is?
@@Viviorkogaminghow do people from Gaza attack Israel on 10/7 and now hide behind the women and children for u to make excuses and beg for sympathy for them.
I wonder if the 4 billion dollars donated by Qatar to american universities in the last ten years have anything to do with this.
How much did Israel spend? How much influence does Israel have in American universities?
Should we be worried?
@@footletuce1376 Isreal isn't using TikTok to brainwash young and inexperienced kids to do things without thinking.
@@footletuce1376 there is a podcast about it, the Jewish Lobby by Lex Fridman.
@@footletuce1376 why don't you look it up? or are you incapable of educating yourself? Stop regurgitating propaganda.
@@Bloodshotty It's a rhetorical question written in a satirical matter.
What did I say that is propoganda?
Israel murdered US soldiers.
All Americans should be boycotting and protesting Israel.
OMG, IS ISRAEL KILLING HAMAS?? Answer: Why yes, yes they are....
Onu💩
Human solidarity is not antisemitism. Netanyahu is a war criminal and already failed to protect Israel. Palestinians have a right to exist, too. ❤💚🖤🤍❤💚🖤🤍❤💚🖤🤍
It would be far more effective to make it about war and ALL countries, rather than single out Israel.
That would eliminate any false allegations of antisemitism by the likes of Greenblatt's Apartheid Defense League, and/or force the US government and schools to acknowledge that Israel is the exception to the rules.
WELCOME TO MY PHILOSOPHY: REDUCTIONISM!
I agree, but the problem is that the US is not currently supplying other countries actively involved in wars with weaponry.
@@swnerd-2320 But it would serve to be preventative for later too.
Nicholas Kristof, your article was most nuanced and generous regarding Biden.
Has she looked up or investigated what Sharia Law is like for women? Has she looked into child custody, divorce, what happens to women who have affairs or are suspected of having are sentenced with? Does she know that Iran just sentenced a young dissident rapper to death? Does she know that if she had been at the Nova Peace Festival, Hamas wouldn't have asked her religion, ethnicity, nationality, whether she supported them or not, what her major was, she'd be as dead as the 290 kids who were mowed down with machine guns.
Has she asked herself any questions at all about what happens to her life if she and Hamas get their way and all Jews/Israelis are gone? Because Palestinians, polled AFTER Oct.7th 70% said they want Hamas rule.
SO because one country is bad, it allows Israel to be bad too, as long as they're not AS bad?
Stop making this comparison. It makes you look stupid and lazy.
How did this get so big? Did pro-Palestinian student clubs with a single member get representation beyond their voice? Hamas v Isreal isnt an American issue in the way of Vietnam; it seems more of an imported issue that doesn't merit this energy or effort..
Its about Israel's resonsibility for mass civilian casualties and the proIsrael gov shutting down criticism of Israel through police action, legislation, and defacto banning it all as hate speech.
Biden had my vote until they refused to discuss or allow discussion about Israel in Gaza.
It was paid for wealthy middle-eastern countries who want to strike Israel down and the relative, continuing peace is not good fot that. Organized by TikTok to disrupt the west and take away the attention from Ukraine, benefits China and russia. It's pretty clear trio of the Iran, China and russia against the civilized world.
The teachers are pro hamas. No joke, a surprising amount of teachers are poisoning their students with bias lies instead of attempting to unpack the location, history, and cultures of that complex area.
There are high school teachers that are telling students that october 7th didn't happen and they are not getting fired.
It’s propaganda. Designed to drill into your head that the people occupying Palestine are the Jews, when they actually aren’t. Read the Bible, start with Revelation 2:9.
The world is a much smaller place than it was during Vietnam. We watched the news for 30 minutes each night, heard the number of casualties and deaths, and saw very little footage. Now we can see the bombs go off in real time, hear the people screaming over their dead loved ones, see funerals getting blown up, read first person accounts of people trying to survive in a war zone, hear about the resulting famine, listen to our government bs about what is actually happening. Many of us believe something very important about all this: that every injured/deceased person is a human just like you and me. That they are someone's family member, and they were loved. That we do not have to use weapons to solve problems, we can use words. No more war.
Send the protesters to Israel
sad typical response :(
@@marioguelbenzu2348 The opposiong side says smart things like "From river to the sea", proposing actual genocide is somehow good option... And you are defending that side?
Where's President Joe MumbIeby? Haven't seen him around lately (except for brief heavily stage managed moments of mumbling before being shoved back in the basement)
Check Ashley’s shower.
Just suppose hamas had built bomb shelters for citizens. How would the casulties be affected?
Israel controls everything that comes into and goes out of Gaza. There is no way they would have approved bomb shelters.
And who cares what student protestors demand? 🤷♂️
Why do people get it in their heads that just because these barely-adults made it to college to study a couple of subjects, that somehow students are authoritative, inevitably-informed voices on *all* subjects?
What we’ve got here is a bunch of entitled bandwagon riders looking for attention, being seen to be activists for something because their peers are doing the same.
By all means, carry on like you know what you’re talking about, but you’re there to learn, not to teach. Know your place and don’t disrupt others with your faux outrage.
Learn how to effectively communicate, otherwise you’ll continue to be deservedly scorned and mocked until you and your efforts are forgotten and you’ve achieved nothing.
Every 5-10 years they gather behind one banner and start disrupting society because "they know the bestest then anyone else alive".. Peak arrogance.
Way to demonstrate zero grasp of the situation...
Here's some salt for those tears.🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂
The guest's entire credibility went into the toilet when he started quoting hamas terrorists numbers.
Those are old numbers as it seems. Who else to count as external parties are not allowed there, hundreds of journalists and UN people already killed there.
That’s insane 😂 they’re clueless and they’re “college students” dear god help us
Sounds like you might be the clueless one. Maybe you should go back to college.
@@juresichjif you follow the quran and support hamas you are a fool
Some more feel good stories about President Trump, who is at the Formula 1 in Miami, Florida
A beautiful woman cannot believe that Donald Trump just shook her hand at the Formula 1, she just said to the camera
that she is never washing her hand again and kissed it. Is so nice to see how the people love our kind hearted Trump.
NO such place as Palestine , NO such thing as a Palestinian, made up by Egyptian Born Arafat , FACT
You don’t know what you’re talking about, you’ve obviously got your history lesson on faux news. Palestine has been on the map and a recognized place for centuries. Your bigotry is showing…
And why is that ?
@@MarincaGheorghe Show from the map the "palestine". Never existed, unlike Israel 2000+ years ago.
No such thing as Israel. It's a fake country made by Brits out of the Ottoman empire's territory.
@@alaric_ the fact that is not on a map is no argument 😾
When Hamas massacres 1200, kidnaps 200, builds and uses 350+ miles of underground tunnels (how much effort must this have taken) (with aid money) to store weapons, fighters, hostages, when Hamas stores weapons and hides fighters also in schools, homes, mosques, hospitals, when Hamas fights among Gazans, when Hamas diverts aid from Gazans, (And no one says a word about how badly Hamas is treating the Gazans), when 70% of Palestinians back the massacre, when Palestinians have endlessly refused partition plans, 2 state plans, and rather than continuing negotiations, storms out of talks to return to violence, suicide bombs, car rammings, knifings, balloon bombs, rockets, rocks and boulders, etc. who is your partner for peace? Which Palestinians are willing to compromise in any way?
You have so much nonsense in here, that I can't believe any of it. Is this just Israeli talking points? Did they survey eight year olds? Because, pre-war, more than half of the residents of Gaza were under 18 years old, so saying that 70% of Gazans support Hamas is a giant lie. Get a new source for your info, cuz your current one is lying to you.
@@juresichjhamas is evil so is the quran...
Did anybody see Joe Biden‘s tax proposal? 44% capital gains tax. He’s raising the death tax. He’s also proposing taxing on unrealized gains.
Good - capital gains should be taxed at a higher rate than income. Labor is more important to the functioning of the system.
That only applies if you make more than $1m per year. If you’re making a million a year then you can afford it. We’ve got people sleeping on the streets and you’re worried about this? 🤦
@@bernardbarry447 is not true. He’s raising taxes on death taxes. Last time I checked poor people die too. It affects you in more ways than you think.
That's good. Maybe you can stop transferring so much wealth from the poor to the wealthy.
@@shawnwalsh6998 yeah Biden planning to let the temporary tax cuts trump put in place expire. That will take the estate tax threshold from 11.4m to 5.5m. Exactly how many poor people die with $5.5m USD? Anyway for those poor families with $5.5m they’ll still pay nothing under Biden, 10-40% of the amounts over it. Tell me what I’m missing.
Hamas was founded in 1987 by Ahmad Yassin. Palestinian civilians have been jailed, tortured and murdered by Hamas from its beginning. Netanyahu knows this. Bombing civilians has nothing to do with making Hamas accountable..
I wonder why the accusations of Israel actions weren't brought up before Oct 7th. Wheres the proof? However hamas recorded Oct 7th themselves. Biden has seen videos that back up Israels claims. Israel is warning civilians and giving time to move. Yet hamas hides amongst civilians not only causing casualties but then reporting inflated number that include hamas fighters.
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