Ren vs King Dotta - Who Won? | REACTING TO BOTH TRACKS!!
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The thing is, Dotta did his best diss, Ren just did enough to beat him, didn't even bother with a beat but also showed him love and pushed a message. If Ren truly wanted to just go for the throat it would be game over.
Absolutely
If Ren really hated someone or was in that battle scene his wordplay would murder anyone. He just isn’t that kind of guy so made his point in a unique way.
I suppose this was expected.
It's primal.
Doti is so mainstream, great binal beats.
Would be great for mums needing lullaby's.
Shows he could kill him but decides to put him in recovery position
WE won. I dig how you framed that.
In Dotta's diss he implied that ren should respond without instrumentals or a beat. Ren was like ok challenge accepted. I'll raise you from the dead, kill you, then empower you. THAT is why I respect Ren.
Ren set the rules beforehand:
REN: You're such a flirt dotta. I wanna make it more interesting, let's do it live from memory so that there's no overdubbing to hide behind
DOTTA: I'ma be real with u, I'm like lil Wayne when it comes to remembering lyrics, I write alot alot..... but uhhh I mean we can be live together when they both drop or sum let the people decide
REN: cmon where's that warriors spirit!! I mean live as in filmed and not pre recorded. I promise
I'II remember just as many bars (=
DOTTA: if I can read off my phone I'm down &
Ren: Yeah fuck it lets go!
DOTTA: Bet that, we Gne have to set a time and date
REN: drop ur video anytime next week man and
ill come up with a reply!! I got a song to promote this week and I don't wanna hear you saying I'm not replying cause I'm scared cause I'm ready 2 goo ahaha. U seem like a worthy opponent
DOTTA: aye no lie my guy... Aside from what I said... As an artist and as an MC I respect u
ALOT my guy... Let's have fun
REN: likewise man but let's save the pudding till after the main course
DOTTA: 💯💯💯
This guy got nothing on ren! Speed it up abit u old ???
@@smigsmithskates5908 yes in fact, I spit my dentures out and broke my hip at the amount of your cope.
The bagpipes even had a double meaning: they were playing Amazing Grace. Precisely what Ren exhibited.
They also play amazing grace on the bagpipes for funerals
I think that was easily missed. I did. Thanks for saying that
@@semoffg wtf do you think a double meaning is? julie only said Ren exhibited amazing grace, the other meaning in a DOUBLE meaning is going to be what? well done, learn to read
@@Alzorynenot everyone realises that Amazing Grace is also played at fuberals. Maybe you should have mentioned what the double meaning was. Just putting that out there.
@@Alzoryne
Way to show zero grace. Try educating without insulting.
Ren won not just the battle between himself and Data, he ended the war...
Rather, he dismantled the war, and left us looking at ourselves in the mirror. That's what he did.
Ren had style and grace
@@paulskinback717 Amazing grace, you could say.
He broke the wheel.
All you gotta say is, Ren schooled and embarrassed Dotta but touted him and wished him well in a rap that was acapella and quickly put together. The word play and flow of Ren without any background beat shows his true talent to put something together without it being so heavily produced. It's Ren's genius and ability to take on ANY form of Rap that brings folks in. Including me.
I'm a huge Ren fan. One of the only videos I've ever posted is a 2 hour analysis of Hi Ren.
But while Dotta can't touch Ren's cleverness and layered meanings and generally gets out styled here, Ren is prone to really weak bars & flow when he hasn't put time into it. Some parts feel like the hyper-basic flows of the 80s. Some rhymes are straight up throwaway lines that all you can do is gloss over.
That's okay. Battle rapping isn't really meant to be a pristine, unassailable piece of art. But Dotta lays solid bar after solid bar over a good beat and it seems disingenuous to claim that Ren kicked his ass. Maybe he edged out a victory by traditional standards, but I think that's a matter of taste & opinion.
The real victory here was engaging in good faith, then completely subverting expectations (again!) to stay on-message, re-iterating the call for unity.
Ren’s got class, he killed it with kindness. Respect
Ren flipped the no instruments line from Dotta by dropping an a capella diss
I noticed that. That's good shit
Oh snap, I didn't even catch that. That is perfect.
I like your profile picture.
All from memory and much slower than Ren's usual quick rap. Dotta was obviously looking at his computer because he didn't want to go from memory like Ren suggested. It is just a lyric video and who knows how long he worked on that and just throws it out there. No reply from Dotta on Knox Hills dis yet.
@@kellyt5341 Ren said on the live before the premiere that he specifically didn't do fast rap because Dotta called it a gimmick or something like that.
I think even when hes lifting him up, hes still schooling him. He's saying hey stop being a bully, stop the race sh*t, stop trying to get clout and use this oportunity to grow because you're not going the right way about it. He's lifting up but still dissing him. Thats my take anyway.
Absolutely, he put all the pressure on Dotta, sent him the eyeballs gave him recognition so if Dotta miss its all on him from here on out.
Umm.. the late 90's called, they want Dotta's flow back.
This ending is genius! Now whatever King Dotta says in reaponse will be a direct reflection of his character. Any negative comments from dotta after this will make hime look like a complete dick. Lol
Dotta said on a video call in red tops live stream he wont go again. He thought rens diss was dope and was laughing cause he ate cake this morning😂. He said ren pulled an em on him and made him poppa doc. People on livestream was calling him poppa dotta😂🤣 ish was funny as hell
No it won't. fvck being positive
Ren just took it easy. I felt compassion and I really believe he thinks Dotta is sick at rapping. Ren not a battle rapper, he is more of a wordsmith storytelling genius.
It wasn't RIP at the end - It was Amazing Grace - Which is what Ren showed ❤
Wow! Glad you mention it. Thats another beautiful layer.
Amazing grace being a burial song aswell makes the backpipes slap double as hard.
Necromancer Ren absolutely defiled the corpse and then turned around to make love, not war, to it 🤣 And I fucking love how he was cracking up and apologising. Ren had fun with this! But also used it as an opportunity to fight for change by killing with kindness. This is why we love him and why the world needs him ❤
The Ren that we know
sick boi with sick flows
spreading love not hate
when he steps up to the plate
the goat in his rabbit hole
with a strong and beautiful soul
he deserves all the support
after the light he shone for us
🐐🐰🕳️ #RENegade
Everyone wins when Ren is involved
Ren did it without music/instruments because Dotta said to. Ren beat his ass with class.
Ren showed himself to be the better man.
you are actually right by saying we the audience won! I liked that answer actually but the way Ren flipped it and stayed true to himself and extended the olive branch it hit different for me and made me a bit emotional like Ren is really truly a good man that actually cares about peoples lives! You hear it in his music always hear it in his live streams and see it through his actions! We need more Rens in the world with big platforms preaching unity for humanity
Did you notice that the bouquet at the beginning actually has an olive branch in it?
He ended up killing him with kindness.
Also on the lack of a beat, Dotta challenged him to rap without any instruments so I guess this was Ren’s response to that, plus you have to remember that Ren isn’t at home or at his studio, he is in a foreign country for months on end having intensive therapy, plus it’s Ren, rap battles ain’t his forte, he was out of his comfort zone so with that in mind I think he did a good job, he held his own, like with anything, with more practice at it he would be more polished, battling is different to straight rapping, really considering battling is Dotta’s thing, he should have won easy and he didn’t so that says more about Dotta than it does about Ren.
If Ren had the experience Dotta has, he would have absolutely Oppenheimer’d him and that’s the reality of the situation.
Ren’s a lover not a hater at the end of the day, he would rather carry someone up the mountain with him than dig a grave for them at the foot of the mountain and push them off the mountain into that grave
I’ve really enjoyed watching this all play out. Learning about battle rap along the way.
@@izzyboot9408 if you think this was Ren being Ren then you don’t know Ren
This is like a 4 out of 10 on the Ren scale, this was not Ren doing what Ren does best and that’s just keeping it real, anybody being objective would admit that, anyone who knows Ren’s ability can see this was sub par for Ren and it’s because he was 100% out of his comfort zone, that was very clear to see and it showed massively.
I was just being honest in my assessment, I wasn’t going to blow smoke up his you know what just because it’s Ren, that would have been pointless and it serves nobody well to blow smoke up someone’s you know what.
He could have miles better and for all the reasons I gave, they all played a part to one degree or another and I guarantee Ren would be the first to hold his hands up and admit it.
Like I said, rap battles and straight rapping are very different disciplines, just because someone is good at swimming backstroke, doesn’t mean they are going to be as good doing the butterfly yet they are both just swimming at the end of the day.
I 100% stand by that he did a good job considering and that he would be more polished with experience, that he was clearly out of his comfort zone, you can’t say he wasn’t, you’re either being disingenuous or you just don’t know Ren if you trying to claim he wasn’t out of his comfort zone
Absolutely right.
@@Penddraig7His ass dude, you can say ass. And even with him being out of his comfort zone, it was a 10, period. Get that 4 shit out of here
Ren set the rules beforehand:
REN: You're such a flirt dotta. I wanna make it more interesting, let's do it live from memory so that there's no overdubbing to hide behind
DOTTA: I'ma be real with u, I'm like lil Wayne when it comes to remembering lyrics, I write alot alot..... but uhhh I mean we can be live together when they both drop or sum let the people decide
REN: cmon where's that warriors spirit!! I mean live as in filmed and not pre recorded. I promise
I'II remember just as many bars (=
DOTTA: if I can read off my phone I'm down &
Ren: Yeah fuck it lets go!
DOTTA: Bet that, we Gne have to set a time and date
REN: drop ur video anytime next week man and
ill come up with a reply!! I got a song to promote this week and I don't wanna hear you saying I'm not replying cause I'm scared cause I'm ready 2 goo ahaha. U seem like a worthy opponent
DOTTA: aye no lie my guy... Aside from what I said... As an artist and as an MC I respect u
ALOT my guy... Let's have fun
REN: likewise man but let's save the pudding till after the main course
DOTTA: 💯💯💯
The flowers rens holding. Fern-rebirth chrysanthemum-death olive branch-celebrate
Ren said he took a week to reply because he's back in Canada getting medical treatment. If this is what he can do with no time and with bigger priorities I think Dotta was lucky Ren didn't have a chance to make beats too.
When the end bagpipe's played, I thoought "Oh snap, he just killed this dude with kindness" lol
Every new subscriber now has a little Ren stank on it. He still hadn't broken 1k after both of Knox's tracks and his Ren track. Today he's had 100s of new subs thanks to Ren's kindness. Tasty!
Only Ren can take the high road and come out on top.
Right now, Ren is going through the toughest, most critical part of the treatment he's undergoing in Calgary, Canada. Putting a beat together is the most time-consuming stage of this kind of track, and Ren simply doesn't have much creative time on his hands right now. This video - entertaining and effective though it is - was probably done on his own with an SLR camera in the basement car park in his Calgary apartment block. I too would like to have heard a beat on this - Ren's backing tracks are always amazing - but cut the guy some slack. He's earned it.
That's what makes it killer is that even going through this tough time he still schooled Dotta and lifted him at the same time. He didn't just return fire... he ended the war. RiP Dotta
Is that true? That putting the beat together is the most time consuming part? I hadn't heard that. I would have thought it'd be the easiest part but I guess all the textures and layering and sampling?
Love the way Ren switched it up to end the drama on a positive. Knox already buried him, so instead of throwing more dirt on Ren did something different.
Ren turned the diss into a kiss.
Ren in a lane of his very own. Different class 🫡!
I actually totally agree with Flawd, Dotta's was a good track, some good rhyme schemes, then Ren did just enough to not lose, and the monologue at the end highlighted that perfectly, when he said to Dotta, "there you go I'm done, now take the spotlight I've put on you and roll with it. Grasp the opportunity". Everyone kinda won in the Dotta vs Ren battle. Totally unexpected, but definitely Ren. Enjoyed it all tbh.
The Mice & Men bar hit deep though (The protagonist in the book is Lenny, a guy with a mental disability, who killed a woman accidently, by snapping her neck)
Yeah I agree, the thought and cleverness that Ren writes with is beyond next level. It's like he is playing chess with words, and seeing moves 20 moves ahead, just blends so effortlessly with easter eggs everywhere.
Ren was just once again doing what he is always doing: Giving us all a uniting and thought provoking message. And it connected because you just know he is a real one. If someone else would have said similar things but didn't have the receipts that he is genuine, it wouldn't be effective at all. But here it is, because it is him.
And that message outshines everything else in my opinion and is bigger than any rap battle could be. But that is just me.
#RENegadesUnite ❤
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REN trumped a Star Wars bar-2 syllables, with battlestar galactica-7 syllables. And that’s the difference. A lyrical monster versus a guy with limited skills. “ this isn’t a battle it’s a massacre”. I concur with that assessment.
Nailed it, and very eloquently too haha x
The 'of mice and men' bar was pretty good. He killed dotta with kindness like george kills lenny with kindness.
...now I'm sad
Love of mice and men
Dotta had better bars and Ren STILL won, AND showed incredible humility and grace.. That's wild.
Edit: But no, I will not go like and subscribe to him, Ren. Not until he throws those race cards into the fire and vows to never open another pack. If he flat out admits that he was clout chasing to get his name out there, and that he isn't going to be a dumb racist going forward, I'll be happy to support his talent.
I think the bag pipes at the end was done purposely. Amazing Grace...Ren just showed how to have Amazing Grace for your fellow humans.❤
Ren is the winner hands down, not only brilliant but in the middle of his hospital treatment, didnt need a beat just in a car park somewhere, there is no question he is amazing and to write that and perform it in a one take just shows how talented he is, put Dotta in a car park and ask him to produce something like that, we all know how that would have turned out!!!!1
Yeah and ask him to do it while he is sick and getting treatment.
@@kewlenjo219 Exactly!! LOL! Which there is no question who won because REN is on a whole completely different level!!!
I love that you gave a non- biased response to this. You genuinely put all thoughts aside and took it in as somebody that appreciates battle rap and saw all of this for what it truly was.❤
Ren nailed it. Closed that coffin by sending his fan base to listen to the man he was dissn...poured cement in it by erasing the color story and covered the mausoleum by tracking the pipes
And acapella battle rap always slays imho
I didn't really watch many reaction videos before discovering Ren. Ren's music really resonated with me in a way very few other artists have. I want to share Ren and see how others react to him. It doesn't seem to click with folks in my life the way it does for me, so instead I seek out internet strangers who have the same perspective.
I’m in your same situation ❤️
The ending bag pipes concluded, this was your funeral.
I wanted a judgement until Ren stepped up and schooled us all!
Ren told dotta he'd battle him, but it had to be a one take, etc.. that's when dotta dropped that video of himself in the booth, but all dotta did was recite the same diss track he dropped on ren... he didn't realize ren meant he wanted to do like a traditional battle rap, not a diss track.. because rens not really about dissing and tearing people down, he's about upping people..
This was a an awesome reaction man, I am biased, I love Ren, hence that’s why I’m here, but I’m swayed to change my mind now on how I see KD, thank you, I have been subscribed to your channel, I just put notifications on.
Much respect, I hope your channel grows to where you want it to be and your future is bright
Take care man
Daz
"Let's not lie!" and that's why it's even more incredible Ren was man enough to be like, "Hey , this guy is good! Check him out!"
This video shows your love for hip-hop Flawed. I haven't really seen any reaction channel give dotta the credit he deserves. But they also haven't been able to break it down the way you did. Props homie.
💯Idk what people like about this Ren dude tbfh hot garbage
Have you checked out Dotta's subscribers? He has gone from 900 to 1600 at the time of writing, me one of them. For me he is nowhere near the level of either Knox or Ren, but he has an opportunity here. I am also convinced that Knox and Ren coordinated their stuff. When Ren switches, that is very similar to Knox's in patiently waiting. If Dotta is smart, he would work on a well produced track now to show who he wants to be apart from dissing and ride the wave.
I really enjoyed your reaction, as always.
Dotta had one good line. Every line ran wrote was awesome. He was so good. He didn’t even write a beat. And then he had the class to turn around and say peace, not war we’re better than that.
Also for me as simple as it was video wise, Ren performed infront of a camera. No beat, just him. I good beat can in some ways make a flow easier, but this is banter for Ren, while he is going through his medical things a quick set up camera and do a diss, pick a brother up dust them down, hope they enjoyed the sport see you session. That for me is impressive, while Dotta had time to prepare there was no time constraint on his love letter (sorry I meant diss).
It really doesn't matter a good fun banter back and forth. I appreciate your reactions.
Battle rap to me started as east vs. west, gang vs. gang, personal beef. It has turned into marketing oneself aka: Small vs. Big,. If we followed Ren's vision, 90% of diss battles would disappear and more collabs would take place. This is a double-edged sword, battles hone skills, collabs exalt messages. What is RAP? It is both in my opinion, but I believe we would have a more cohesive society if we promoted good messages and exposed truth, than tearing each other down.
If you really want to know HipHop and rap have their real musical roots farther back into the Persian empire where nobles would send the best lyricists to battle each other for bragging rights and tribute (money). Deep dive into musicology and a whole new world will open up.
Hip Hop was never about that. It really was a way to keep violence out of communities. If other things happened it was on a personal level. The rap battle scene is not at all fueled by hatred but for the love of hip hop.
Love it bro! Keep it real no matter what! Ren def gets it, but you're right about Dotta's diss. Ren is the man for calling us to something better. The appologies were top tier
Who Won? Hip Hop, The Culture! Ren shows us we're all winners. 😎❤️💛💚🖤✊🏿🇯🇲
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Ren didn't kill him because he didn't want to. He was showing respect.
Respect for you keeping it real ren and dotta were both filthy i grew up in the shit there diffrent ends of the spectrum but both such good rappers
you,re one of the most unbiased reactors i have come across and i have watched this track many many times , thank you for thinking this way , true Ren fan .
I’m not familiar to battle rap but is it usual to show hate in comments on reactors channels as per dotta? I’m giving it to REN for being the bigger man
People hate him because they are worried that the clout isn’t on themselves! Ren is real
Dotta said on is track he can rap without an instrumental, Ren rapped without an instrumental.
Did anyone else notice that the bagpipes at the end, that small bit, was "Amazing Grace" ?
cleaned up the mess left by knox... then complimented him. Ren's on another level lol
I love your reaction and i totally agree. Im glad you did both and gave your honest opinion, not many people seem to do that!
You got to give him props. He went after someone that he knows he's going to get people looking at his stuff. But Ren I feel like is the wrong guy to go after because he's going to kill you with kindness and then just kill you with bars in his own artistic way.
You kind of glazed over the hardest bar/diss on Ren's. The "Royal Flush" bit was awesome.
I like that you gave your honest opinion!!! The whole rap battle thing was fun this week. Let's see what happens.
I thought these were both great. I had no idea who King Dotta was before these disses so they did their job. I like his sound and I'll probably listen to more. I already love Ren so I think you were spot on when you said we won. Thanks for the reaction!
Love that you did both these together! 👍😘
"I once was lost but now im found, was blind but now I see" the lyrics to amazing grace that was on the bagpipes. Plus the flowers Ren had in the beginning, once again Ren tells us where this is going if you pay attention
My first ?battle experience. I vote that we won. Loved your video, helped me understand, focus in on specific bits and enjoy both on a whole other level.
I think you had a good reaction.
I'm absolutely biased and have a thing for the type of wordplay Ren dishes, so I'm massively on board for his side.
But, Kingdom Come was leagues above Crown. If Dotta's willing to put in the work, he can make a name for himself instead of trying to cheat code off the work of those ahead of him in the game. But he's gotta actually put in the effort and not play the race card and act like that's the reason other people are hitting and he isn't.
A little knowledge drop on amazing Grace playing on the bagpipes.. it's a traditional Scottish funeral song. He opened with it acknowledging Dotta's funeral.. and then killed him a second time with kindness and closed out with a 2nd funeral play. That's dope squared son!
Well damn i didn’t expect to cry tonight!😭
Can we all hold hands now?😂😭😘
A round of 🎶Kumbaya 🎶
The bagpipes are neccecary! AMAZING GRACE! DUDE!
Love the honesty brother!!
Man first off I have to say I love your Chanel. You have a one of the best personalities on u tube. 2nd thank you for catching that cambucha line and letting us know what it was. Only thing I didn’t get. Cheers my man:) 👍
This was so good of a response that Dotta now has a reaction channel featuring Ren often 😊
There is nobody but Ren who can CREMATE a rapper with SPOKEN WORD POETRY in 10 MINUTES
YES! You are the first reactor to get the title of Rens Dis! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Loved your honest even reaction, both were great. Respect bro.
Never heard Ren before, but he got the W.
Excellent review.
Dotta even complemented Ren on his diss
Was good to see, think he could of left it there, but think he did another diss on Knox, and I thought coulda and shoulda left it at that, but Dotta keeps race out of it, got enough divide in the world. Most fans respect the roots of hip hop culture, no matter what colour you are. Ren clearly does, it shines in everything he writes thats hip hop.
Another intelligent and entertaining reaction. Thanks!
What Ren did was real battle rap at least where I come from, no beat just lyrics and body language.
Humanity won ❤
I felt this was a very honest, non bias reaction and I really appreciate that 🫶
Yes!!! Been waiting on you to get on this!
I guess Dotta said "that's dope" about Ren's diss to him. And Knox said we aren't done yet.....
dotta needs an inhaler
Awesome reaction
I love how unbiased your opinions are!!! Subbed
Rens having treatment right now. So I think it was dope ❤from the UK 🇬🇧
Dotta was grateful for this and loved rens response.. read what dotta put in his community page... and dottas subs have grown exponentially since this response...
Great reaction brother!
Ren literally had a #1 album in the UK and he did it with no label or any promotion company.
Ren: 1.2 million subs
King Dotta: 400 subs
Jealousy is an ugly look.
Dotta had some good moments... And he's smart. He poked because he knew the traffic it would generate. Not a coincidence that he struck right after they both got a mil... Ren was cold too, and honest. Dotta can flow, he just needs to hone his craft and get heard. Props to both.
Thanks for linking the original videos!
It's like a real life equivalent to the last battle in "8 mile
Thank you for your candor
Been listening to hip hop/rap since straight out of Compton came out on vinyl. Never even heard of Dotta (refusing to add king before), before I heard this!
Dotta said "Don't have any instruments", so Ren said "Fuck it, no beat either"
Holy SHIT! I just caught a double that i haven't seen any reactors catch! "You're butchering the culture, you ain't brewing kombucha" 😮
Kombucha requires a live culture (bacteria) to brew! 🤯
I love the subtitles on you're channel, when you say I gotta give it to Ren, you're subtitles say I gotta give it to Ryan, and my hearing impaired ass was named Ryan by my mother, otherwise I would be Earl the 3rd.
Ren is just built different it's so refreshing
I fuc&ing love REN!! He's out there slinging Grace! ❤ I am a 47 Mom/ new grandmother totally fan girling on this kid. He has more depth than most frauds prancing around self grandizing themselves. Look at Ren showing people humanity, humility, and courage! Damn. I haven't been inspired by music since the 90s. Ren has reawoken my love for music that all these past one dimension writers never could. [As I said I'm older and my phone screen is hard to see so ignore 'mom typos' and pull out your decoder rings 😂] it has been a very long time and many many years that i have been interested in any musicians out there. This guy is tops. Adore him! Everything he does! Even music I said years ago that i wasnt fond of, he pulls it out his back pocket and i am like OMG-squeel! This guy has it and will go far and many generations from now, they will still be looking back at his lyric and music. Damn this kid has talent coming from everywhere! Total fan girl. It has been a long long time! Thanks Ren. I feel alive again. You pulled me out the drugery, my ears perked up, and I am grateful for all you put out there that benefits us all. ❤ Big love!
Ren came back in his Pyjamas and still won 😂🔥