The History of the Atlantic Coast Conference: College Sports' East Coast Nerds
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- One of the most historically significant conferences in NCAA history lies along the eastern coast of the United States. But with new additions in California and Texas rendering the "Atlantic Coast" name of the conference a little funny-looking, if not moot, the history of this conference---once based in the heart of Greensboro, North Carolina---becomes one to examine in the modern lens.
From bowl bans in the SoCon to the Old Gray Fox to high school kids watching the ACC basketball tournament during class, the ACC's been through a lot. But the land of academics and basketball has a lot more to the story than what meets the eye.
Come along with me as I take a short walk down the ACC's storied history, focusing on the major moves of the conference as well as the championships and big names that made it who it's perceived to be today.
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Bad takes all around tbh
Agreed
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What he said.
@@havocch6508 I wanna be your mom
@@smcook8Good that you agree with yourself. Forget to switch accounts?
Your use of era-appropriate logos is fantastic
I know right. Its awesome
Wouldn’t be historically accurate 😂😂😂 the background music just adds to the aesthetic
Like shit
I appreciate the inclusion of integration in covering these schools. Integration is fundamental in understanding the development of athletics in academia, especially in the South
Yeah, I don't know why anyone would not want to talk about that because it is historically pertinent to the discussion.
Can't agree more and the coverage of the topic on this channel has always been tasteful imo
Goddamn man, as soon as these come out, no matter the conference, I click to watch. These are so well made and they really fit the vibe of college football at its core. Having now finished it, I can't wait for the next one and the next after that, all the way until it's totally done and I can just watch the history of every conference whenever I feel like it. As a Big Ten (I'm from Ohio) I'm anticipating that one. Though, I love that you already did a MAC-tion video. Honestly, the videos of the smaller conferences are the ones I love the most.
I agree with every point you made! These videos are awesome and I especially enjoyed the MAC one.
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Thank you for pointing out Louisville has the same academics of WVU. Never made sense not adding them based on the amount of rivalries they have in the conference. Awesome video.
The academic reason was a cover for wanting to add a market almost certainly lol
@@rangersking6699 if they cared about fans and ratings they would create conferences built in with regional rivalries and make sure that the big money markets are in each major conference somehow but they won’t do that lost cause lol
@@nordiczebo5336 it wasn’t even about ratings, it was about getting the ACC into a new state with a larger city and overall pop than WV. Even back then I think they knew they were gonna start their own cable network so they needed to find a way to maximize the subs(which has little to do with the actual brands you have as long as you have some already, more to do with which states and markets you add so you can get providers to charge the premium rate and not just give it away along with ESPNU). It’s the same reason they were fine with SMU and the bay schools as long as they took small enough shares to fund the conferences incumbents(which the four corners schools would not have done, no way).
As a Seminole fan, I always wanted West Virginia in the ACC so the backyard brawl could stay a conference battle.
@@ryantmaloney I agree if the ACC became something where they took the best of the acc and big east schools keep notre Dame scheduling nonconference with them I think they would be way more popular and competitive today. More of a wish list also if Penn State was pulled in that would be a lot of big time programs.
Good video, only thing I think is wrong is UVA's Basketball Championship was 2019, not 2017.
As a big college basketball fan I love the ACC. I really hope it finds a way to survive
UNC better not pull a UCLA and decide to move to the SEC nor big 10 because we would be even more embarrassed in football than we already are. Also, it just fits them to be in the ACC as well as the rest of the North Carolina power 5 schools
@@alexcuevas5633 I’m hoping that the new 5+7 CFP can keep the league together. I think it can be beneficial for the top football schools like Clemson and FSU
@@Andrew-bd8dc if the inevitable happens, the SoCon should be refitted to accommodate these schools again, basically, an ACC and SEC merger. Although the SoCon has smaller schools at the moment
The most interesting thing I took from this video is that Wake Forest at one point just up and moved to a completely different city. That’s crazy.
TCU did something similar early in their history. They were located in Waco from 1895 till 1910 when their campus burnt down and there we're about 23 crosstown rivalry football games with Baylor before they relocated to Fort Worth
That's why I found it so weird that Wake Forest isn't in Wake Forest anymore 😂 they used to be there though so it makes better sense
Wake Forest use to be just outside Raleigh NC
Wake Forest was named after the town, which is just north of Raleigh. The original burned down and they moved to Winston
Thanks so much for including the part about Case and the Dixie Classic! I was worried that would be a small part given where the league has gone now. Fun fact: all of NC State’s Dixie Classic Champions banners are now on display at Amedeo’s Italian on Western Blvd. in Raleigh.
I'm 100 percent with you, if somebody doesn't understand the importance of desegregation in the context of the history of college football, a CZcams comments section probably isn't the place to help them understand. You're doing a prime job educating your audience on the topics you choose to cover, but it's not your job to help them understand the history of the civil rights movement (unless you choose to make it yours).
I'm not the best person to do that either. Maybe some day I'll be big enough to have a platform to feature some really good sports and civil rights historians on my channel on a video surrounding it, but the plan is for now to mention it where it's important and continue with the rest of the history as normal.
History of The SEC next please. Especially since you talked about the SOCON.
As a UMD fan and alum, it still pains me that we are no longer part of this conference. B1G just feels stale, lifeless
Great video and excellent synopsis of the ACC. As a South Florida Alum I have always hoped that we were/are invited into the ACC as a natural fit into the conference, alas this still hasn’t happened yet. My fear is that conferences expanding past their geographical footprint is going to kill big college sports. Outside of the SEC and B10 all the other conferences including the ACC are really pickings for those power two which again, does nothing for the sports overall. Why the NCAA hasn’t stepped in to curtail this nonsense is beyond me, I’m afraid that the ACC will end up like the BE/PAC12 and history will be washed away, with rivals and storied competition. Sad times for a lot of fans and alumni.
It surprises me that NCAA hasn't done anything about the ESPN and the SEC colluding together and monopolizing college football. This also applies to Fox network and the Big Ten creating a giant monopoly which led to the destruction of the PAC-12
the conference folding wouldn't erase the history
The NCAA is part of the problem. They did this to themselves. They were actively trying to limit the amount of money that the schools can get and forcing sanctions. So, the reason why they "haven't stepped in" is because they don't have any real power nor the money. The universities collectively are way more powerful than the NCAA. The schools are trying to break away from the NCAA so that they can make a shit ton more money.
Maryland fan here, I miss the ACC
Another great video! Only thing that I noticed that was missing was Syracuse soccer championship on the men’s side last year. But regardless, I look forward to these videos all the time. When all of the FBS conferences are done, I hope you’ll start doing FCS conferences. Lol. This is easily the greatest most underrated series on CZcams about college sports.
Using the logos that correspond to the time period you are talking about is fricking awesome!!!!
The quality of these videos has improved hugely over the last few months. One of the best channels out there!
And now the ACC’s existence is in jeopardy with Florida State filing a lawsuit against the conference over the grant of rights. 😔
Dude, the production quality on the videos impresses me every time! I am always excited to see a new upload from you, and I hope your channel keeps on growing :)
Another amazing video. You kill this dude, anytime I see an upload it’s an immediate watch! Keep thriving!
14:59 the ☠️ next to the PAC had me ☠️
Been waiting for this one it was a great video man you took your time with this one and it really showed!
Its crazy how good these videos are
I love your content please keep releasing stuff like this
Most underrated series being uploaded! I really look forward to your videos.
The folks who don’t know what integration & desegregation has to do with collegiate sports are willfully ignorant or lack critical thinking and meta-analysis skills.
The African integration topic in terms of impact on conferences like the ACC and SEC needs to explored more and given more discussion on this channel and others.
11:49. The ACC put Miami and Florida State in separate divisions hoping that there would be conference football championship between them. Unfortunately, both programs underperformed in the 2000s and we never got to see what would have been probably the most watched college football conference championship.
the best cfb be team is arguable the 2001 hurricanes but I agree with the take as they never really did better after
I love your channel keep the great content coming
Great video as always!!
Great video! Here's to an uncertain future!
LOL I loved how you were playing pirate music during the video. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
None of the conference names are apt at this point. Big12 with 16, Southeastern Conference in the mid-west, PAC12 with 2, Big10 with 20, Mountain West without mountains, SunBelt in West Virginia (there's no sun there), and Mid-American with a team in New York. I think only C-USA and American Athletic have names that make sense at this point.
Mountain west is mountain or west though so that makes sense. They literally had a mountain division and a west division. Every mountain division school was mountain time. The west schools were pacific time and Hawaii so..west.
No way you’re roping the MAC and Mountain West into this lol. Buffalo is about as close as you can get to the Midwest and borders a Great Lake. Buffalo is also only 30 miles further from its closest neighbor (193 miles from Akron) than NIU is (164 miles from WMU). The Mountain West is literally only teams in the Mountain and West time zones, save for Hawaii, but that’s Hawaii.
Oklahomas like Virginia, it can be southern if you’re in the southern part of the state
“What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.” William Shakespeare
@@PennRailbuffalo is nowhere near being a thought of the Midwest
Keep up the amazing work:)
Very good video extremely great content you should do a video about the history of the socon
Great video. Brought back memories of watching Jefferson Pilot Sports regional broadcasts of ACC basketball. IMHO the ACC was at its best when it was nine schools.
Hail to the pilot!
This channel is great! Keep it up
"if you don't understand what integration has to do with sports and why it's important...then I just can't help you" is a GOATED line. Couldn't have said it better myself
agreed
It’s a dumb line. It’s just condescending and is not a real argument. It definitely needs to be discussed but the line isn’t “goated” at all. Dude comes off like an ass
Born and raised in MD
it's still weird as hell that UMD not being in the acc
When I heard them crying broke I said WHERE UMD been getting money
I hate this recent conference realignment
I wouldn’t have be surprised if this channel had 600k subs, the video quality is top notch.
Thank you for covering integration in college sports.
Overall, it is a decent summary of the ACC history. Although there are some sloppy mistakes that any ACC history buff would quickly pick up on. For example, in the Phase II section it states UNC won the men's basketball national championship in 1958. That's incorrect, it was 1957 against Kansas/Wilt Chamberlain. It was corrected later in the video when showcasing the ACC many national championships. They list nattys won by ACC teams from 1953-1971 gave Maryland UVA’s men’s lacrosse natty in 1970. Also when presenting FSU’s football ACC title run in the 1990s, there is no mention they shared the 1995 league championship with UVA, who ended the Noles 29 straight ACC winning streak. Mentioning Everett Case, Roy Williams, and Mike Krzyzewski as key ACC basketball pillars, but leaving out Dean Smith? How does that happen? Also, omitted UVA's 2022 men's tennis national title, as the Wahoos have won back-to-back nattys in 2022/2023. No mention of the 3-Peat UVA women's swim nattys in 2021/2022/2023.
Amazing video as always, but leaving out Dean Smith is criminal. Easily the most influential coach in ACC history, and a top 5 coach in basketball history
No seriously. Why did he not mention him
FSU women have 4 national championships in Soccer. Enjoyed your videos! Thanks
Thanks for another great video. Looks like you missed Syracuse’s 2015 Men’s Cross Country NCAA Championship.
Thanks for this
Also women’s tennis in ‘23 (UNC), field hockey, lacrosse… there’s a lot
This is one of the best cfb channels on CZcams, especially for realignment related content. Keep up the good work dude!
As a South Carolina fan, I enjoyed this video.
The Gamecocks went out as champs....The 1971 ACC Basketball Championship game still stands as one of the all time classics. I remember it well, John Roach was one of my very first sports heroes. Coach McGuire had South Carolina loaded with talent for a few years and The Carolina Coliseum was usually packed.
I miss the UMD ACC days. They were fun to hate
Love the longform video style
Fastest click in the west! Great job as always!
Can’t believe you haven’t done an SEC video yet but aside from that these videos are really well made idk how you’re not getting more views
The SEC video is going to hit like crack
Great video
Happy to see the hall of champions made the cut!
one correction: Virginia won the men's basketball national championship in 2019, not 2017!
Great video, and if clemson and fsu were to leave for the SEC the acc should consider adding tulane, either uconn or usf, and probably push notre dame to move their football team to the conference.
Notre Dame will go to the Big 10. They won't stick around.
The ACC does not have the leverage to “push” Notre Dame to join the league as a football member.
a) The ACC has already preemptively backfilled and has likely entangled ND even more to its current arrangement.
b) If ND was going to join the ACC in full, it would have already done so to sate the top brands now pushing to leave.
@@royboy1984 2036 I suppose
Love these videos, they’re my go to when eating food. But I have a gripe. As a KY resident and UK fan. You gotta say Luh-vul. Louie-ville is too fancy sounding for em
Syracuse has won National Championships in Field Hockey (2015) and Mens Soccer (2022)
ACC next move: adding UBC (University of British Colombia) into the membership
I’ve been shocked you haven’t done a BIG 10 video yet
~10:15 It's my understanding that the ACC had an interest in MIAMI, which demanded CUSE and BC as the +2. Leaves open the question as to what schools were the otherwise preferred +2 to get to the 12 member threshold.
Awesome video by Lucas about the ACC, as I enjoyed this video very much. My one observation, however, is this: I think the ACC's days as a viable college conference are numbered. Not only due to the fact that the ACC's additions of Stanford, Cal & SMU don't make a lot of logical sense (at least in my opinion), but also because the SEC & Big Ten are both major threats to gobble up more ACC teams.
Now, I could be wrong, of course. But my point is that this is all a byproduct of this never ending game of musical chairs...a.k.a., Conference Realignment. Nothing about conference realignment makes any sense. And I'm worried that the ACC's rich and storied history will be erased in the name of pride and greed. If that is the case, it's really a darn shame.
The ACC's days as a peer major are numbered, but not as a viable. Will likely deplete down to the BIG12's level.
“Nothing about conference realignment makes any sense”. Try telling that to Maryland. Its athletic program was insolvent when it received its B1G lifeline. USC willfully forgoing more than $30,000,000 in annual conference GOR revenue to stay in the PAC makes no sense. It’s far too much of an ask for fans of 20th century traditions. There’s simply too much money in college football to not have it largely dictate how the top collegiate programs align.
@@zplapplap USC's move really was the turning point. That decision was USC deciding that peer athletic revenue was a necessity to remain competitive across all sports, not just football. I assume that all of the big football and overall athletic brands have reached the same conclusion.
All of the bigger football brands should make the Tier 1 cut, as will most of the big overall athletic brands. Looking at the list on Wiki of schools with 8 or more Top 10 finishes in the D-Cup, only STANFORD (albeit a special case), CAL & ARIZ are at risk in my view.
@@tarheel7406 Agreed and well said. The fight to remain competitive with peer athletic programs is the bottom line driving conference realignment decisions that these schools would not otherwise make. USC cared about the Pac12. It would be negligent in both the short and long term for them to get 2/3 of what Purdue brings in from its conference revenue. It’s untenable.
The ACC is being squeezed by the financial pressure on its top football programs to keep up. The consolidation around conference television revenue has been a thing since the creation of the Big 12. The one way to preserve traditional regional “power” conferences would have been to voluntarily form a unified bargaining unit to approach the networks. Given how the NCAA operated when it had a monopoly, I can’t blame conferences and its members for refusing to go back down that road.
@@zplapplap Before the major conferences got bloated in membership, perhaps some umbrella revenue sharing could have preserved those majors as regionals.
I maintain that this realignment is partially a market correction to start fresh with a select Tier 1 cut for revenue parity at that level with some parity rules that are unacceptable in the then P5 structure.
It would truly break my heart to see Clemson leave the ACC. One of the founding members, Clemson, has represented the ACC since the beginning. Would also hate to see Florida St leave as well
To start good work, give a brief history of the ACC. Not to be rude, but you are missing some national titles, As well as dominance in different sports. FSU Soccer 2014, 2018, and 2021 national titles are one example. Or dominance in Baseball for Fsu 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2017, 2019 UVA 2009, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2021, 2023 Clemson 1958, 1959, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1991, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2002, 2006, 2010 for the CWS as another example. I recommend including some significant events from many schools in different sports if that is a primary focus of the conference. Some aspects as you go along various conferences to double check and look more into. Keep up the excellent work, and I look forward to more videos you make!
As someone who has followed acc specifically basketball my whole life this was amazingly made I do hope they change what the ACC acronym means because it’s nowhere near tied to the coast anymore I really want them to change it to the All Coast Conference or American Coast Conference.
Too much value tied to the brand name. The reason why the B1G didn't change its name.
you should make one about a small conference like the Missouri Valley
ACC! ACC! ACC!
“And if u dont know what integration has to do with sports,I just can’t help u”😂
I think you got the wrong Cumberland logo at 2:01. Did you mean to get U of Cumberland in Kentucky??
I'm so surprised that the SoCon used to be a major conference that had all the major North Carolina schools😮 and how the ACC and SEC formed out of it. The SoCon still exists but for smaller schools like UNC Greensboro, Western Carolina University, and Furman University. It could have been special that they could have been a power 5 conference but because of the postseason rule, that might have gutted the conference
Living in South Carolina, Clemson still wants out of this deal. They viewed the conference getting smu, cal, and Stanford as them getting replacements for them and FSU.
The ACC will be a tier 2 conference like the Big 12 by the beginning of the 2024 season when it comes to football. The ACC will still have a slight edge over the Big 12 since they have elite blue blood programs like Clemson, Florida St, and Miami who can attract top level recruits. Both conferences clearly have the best basketball brands in the country.
Huh? The ACC will remain a Tier 1 conference until it either depletes out or depreciates down.
@@tarheel7406 It won't be on the same level as the Big Ten and SEC in terms of prestige and competition when 2024 starts.
@@CopycatNinja875 The ACC is already peer in prestige and competition and should remain so.
Football Playoff Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2023)
ACC: 8-4-2 (Includes 1 of 2 ND appearances)
B12: 2-1-0 (Excludes OK; includes Cincy)
B1G: 10-3-1 (Includes Oregon & Washington)
PAC: 0-0-0 (Excludes Oregon & Washington)
SEC: 14-10-6 (Includes OK)
BCS Runner Ups - Champs (2000 - 2014)
ACC: 4-3 (Includes VATECH, MIAMI, ND)
B12: 0-0 (Excludes NEB, OK, TX)
B1G: 5-2 (Includes NEB, USC, ORE)
PAC: 0-0 (Excludes USC, ORE)
SEC: 6-10 (Includes OK, TEX)
@@tarheel7406why would you include ND but not include Oklahoma for the big 12? ND isn't in the acc for football an never will be
@@wesleyowens4089
a) ND is an official member of the ACC for all sponsored sports but football. ND was a football member during one of its playoff appearances. ND has a binding scheduling agreement with the ACC. All of that justifies counting 1 of 2 playoff appearances.
b) The stats are adjusted for the officially announced realignment, so OK now counts for the SEC. OK will never return to the BIG12.
Hopefully Louisville can bring a national championship in volleyball this year to add the acc powerhouse conference
I cannot wait if you end up doing the Atlantic 10.
~13:00 The original expansion goal for the referenced B1G expansion was to sate a restless PSU with quality eastern schools. These goals were broadened to include "markets" after UVA, UNC & GATECH all passed and the B1G eventually settled on MARYLAND & RUT. MD had to leave since it's athletic department was in severe financial distress due to years of mismanagement.
ND moving its non-football from the BIGEAST to the ACC included binding football concessions that were not in place with the BIGEAST.
As for MD's replacement, WVU had already joined the BIG12 but would not have gotten the needed votes due to broad objections. The football schools opposed UCONN, and CINCY was considered. An academic exception was made for L'VILLE (as it was earlier with FSU) due to a compelling need and L'VILLE being the sole option that could get the necessary votes.
ACC has become the All Coasts Conference at this point
ik ts corny but who do u guys think will join the big east next? i wanna hear all of your takes since no one really talks about bug east expansion since football is out of the picture.
I honestly think the basketball schools in the ACC should join the Big East or form a basketball centric conference. Their days as a football conference are over once Florida State, Clemson, and UNC leave.
@@royboy1984 So the BIG12's football days are over after losing its top 6 (net)?
It never made sense to skip over West Virginia.
WVU doesn't fit the brand and offers no compelling reason for an exception.
If FSU's athletic dept has access to the university endowment of 898 million dollars it would take 55 percent or 494 million dollars to get out of the Grant of Rights unscathed.
Now 154 total National championships as the Nc State Wolfpack women’s Cross country just completed the 3 peat taking the 2023 women’s Cross country national championship!
When r u doing the Big 10 or SEC
He stated it will be done around Christmas.
Do the MWC next!
My favorite ACC team were the UNC Tar Heels
Virginia, not Maryland, won the 1970 national lacrosse championship in a 3-way tie with Navy and Johns Hopkins for the Wingate Memorial Trophy. This can be verified on the Wingate Memorial Trophy page on Wikipedia.
ACC means "A Coastal Conference"
Dang lmao the UNC women’s soccer team runs that league glad to be a tarheel 🙏🙏
I wonder if any of these conferences will change their names to match the new situations they have because aside from the SEC all the other ones don’t mean anything anymore.
My guess would be probably not-the old saying goes that names have power, and in this day and age, brands definitely do. As much as it would have made sense for the Big 10/12 to have changed their names to better fit the number of members, their brands are tied into their name, so they made the decision to stay in order to capitalize on that. Would be fun to come up with new names for conferences, though.
I mean I’m calling it the all coast conference and the big teen next year for the acc and big ten. Big 12 just simply goes to the big 16.
The sec doesn't either. Missouri, Texas, Texas a&m, Oklahoma, and Arkansas are not in the southeast. Missouri is in the Midwest and the others are Southwest.
6:23 Well said
do the WCC next
what about syracuse soccer nat championship run last year
What about Miami’s football championships? 16:28
Not sure how official it is but I’ve read a few places that Cincinnati was offered membership during the early 2010’s expansion but declined to join resulting in Louisville’s addition. I don’t think that changes much for the conference if the bearcats do accept but a reality where Cincinnati is in the ACC and Louisville in the American/big XII is interesting to think about.
a) It's my understanding that CINCY, UCONN & L'VILLE were considered to replace MD, but L'VILLE was the only option that could get the needed votes.
b) CINCY wouldn't have declined.
Does it make sense to you that Cincinnati would have declined an offer to join the ACC as the Big East disintegrated?
@@tarheel7406you never know. Tulane purposely left the sec to join a much smaller conference
@@wesleyowens4089 Different era
Big 10 history next
Clemson has won a soccer tournament in 2023 for the men
I think the ACC should form a west wing by adding Washington, Oregon, and San Diego State and rebrand to the American Costal Conference
Why?
WASH & ORE are committed to the B1G.
@@tarheel7406 Washington and Oregon State sorry I didn’t make that clear
@@michaelscott358 Again why? All three are separate geo outliers and don't appear to be otherwise in brand.
@@tarheel7406 Bc the travel time for Cal and Stanford is going to be insane
@@michaelscott358 Teams can play both on the same trip. Adding more islands doesn't mitigate travel. The +3 assures UNC leaves for either the SEC or B1G, so don't really have a dog regarding additional ACC backfill. Just offering thoughts based on an ACC perspective.
Syracuse won men’s soccer last year
Hell yeah
16:45 you missed the Syracuse soccer national championship
Inevitably the old SOCON will be resurrected and thrive within the SEC. Duke, UNC, NC State, UVA, VT, FLA St, Clemson and GT along with the current 16 team SEC will be the programs ESPN, Apple and CW will utilize for collegiate viewership.
Some of those teams you listed will be in the Big Ten, they want in the South. A couple may stay in the retooled, academic ACC. UNC, NCSU, FSU, CLEM are all but guaranteed to move while VT, MIAFL, UVA, and LVille could move too. GT/Duke could move if the situation is right, but I don’t personally see it.
East..and now west coast nerds 🤓
Nice job. Someone's probably already said it, but "Christian Lott-ner"? Check the pronunciation on that one, young man. And typo with UVa winning the basketball national title in 2019, Wahoowa.