I couldn't agree more. The majority of the tennis teaching I have experienced (not all) is just bad at best, and way too often it hinders rather than helps a player's development.
You just described a major falley of the human kind. At most times we focus on the effect, rather than the cause, which I guess can go on forever depending on how far "up" you want to go. In another way of looking at it; It's good to go beneath the surface to see what it is in the soil that causes the strange growth on the branches of the tree. Cheers, M ps, How remarkable her progress is after fixing the cause...and so many symptoms have been fixed through nature. Awesome.
Here is the thing : day after watching this video I did explain to my 10 years old boy your concept... Result became automatically effective and I m so grateful to you Sir ❤❤❤😊
She was hitting the ball with her elbow jammed inside right against her body which was causing the issues including late contact. Just by instructing her to have the elbow away from the body at preparation would have also made a difference...
You are totally correct. Sometimes this idea of relaxing the arm so much that it gets floppy causes bad results because the student is late with the arm even though the body is turning properly. I experienced this issue myself until I finally realized that the shoulder turn and the arm move as one. Even though relaxation is very important, I found that there has to be a small amount of tension in the arm to keep the upper body and the arm in sync and moving as one. But I keep the wrist very relaxed to achieve the racquet head lag.
I've demo'd my own skills and abilities more publicly than 99.9% of tennis coaches world wide. That's literally the dumbest thing to criticize me about 😆.
@@IanWestermann - You are right. After searching for a few minutes I found a game you played and didn't realize that you were barely a 4.5 player soft hitting lefty. My mistake. I wouldn't demo either if I were you. I still think you have one of the best side coach analysis video channels on the net. Keep up the good work.
Why in the world would I use myself as an example, regardless of my level, when highly detailed examples of the best players who ever lived are easily available? If I was ranked 100 ATP I'd still be using Novak, Serena and Roger to teach....duh. You think you're insulting me but you're not, sorry bro.
Good stuff, but if you work on catching it in front you have to start your swing a tiny bit earlier and to accomplish it you also want to post your hips and shoulder so you square up.. on the other hand if you're not trying to catch it in front while unloading and rotating you'll be arming the ball despite good body rotation, posting, etc. I definitely get what you're saying but it's a two way situation. :)
If saying "hit out in front" caused players to turn their body at the right time then 95% of club players wouldn't have this problem......because they've been told that thousands of times. Turning the body at the time time leads to "out in front" contact. Unfortunately it does NOT work the other way around.
She's late hitting, or using the arm on some shots because of her footwork being more closed stance, ie stepping across to hit the ball. Get slightly more open stance and the body should naturally rotate and encourage more hip and shoulder turn. Just my thoughts 🙂
She looked better after the change but her racket opens up a little bit at contacts and that needs to be fixed or she will sail a lot of balls unless she hits softer.
This video or this channel is just garbage. The person don’t know tennis. Just few atp pro’s video may fool you. Pros are doing great but the comments are garbage.
I’m guessing she was also hitting a lot of shots long after hitting the ball out front more. Grip plays a big role. Grips near continental require hitting the ball further back and swinging up the back of the ball more. Steffi Graf is a prime example.
In general, there are 2 main-problems of most tennis-Players. Too late preparation of the swing and ellbow too close to the torso/body. Fix that, and playing is much more easy and successful !
Great video! Kinetic chain is the key basic fundamental to every shot in tennis and is the first thing I think about when a shot goes awry in a match. Another way to think of it is weight transfer towards your target.
Focus on the ball where it drop.Think fast & take action fastest so that your follow true are awesome. 🎾Make sure the the ball drop within the playing zone.Yesss
@@sebastiandomagala9233 from my experience, this really messes up people's timing mechanism. This is okay for old school continental forehands. I think a neutral position with the racquet face to the side is fine for a modern forehand that uses a racquet drop.
Who hits like this girl in the first place if she's a student of any academy? Seems like Patrick ways of intentionally asking wrong method first and then teaching.
I marry your thesis of going to root causes. But you wrongly applied to your student because she is still using her arms and not the body to hit the ball. She should have a rotational momentum but it's pretty linear and arm driven as you can see from her feets.
@@jmberille1 look at 2.10 elbow against the body and at 7.30 elbow away from the body but the underarm still around a 45 degree and to get that you stretch your arm more. If you do that by turning or keeping the ball further away it’s the same
@@foxyonthrottle690 I mean I think u misunderstood the point, or I m wrong... she did hit the ball in front cos she turned her hips at the correct position in a coordination with her shoulder that allowed her to get a perfect contact point with much more space from the arm to the body and extended arm
@@IanWestermann What's contradicting your title it reads "don't try to hit Infront" But hitting in front is good their shoulders automatically move by default when you hit in front.
If u try to focus on hitting ball infront, u will end up hitting it too far in front and now forehand has no power . Its something u shouldn’t even be thinking about but nick from intuitive tennis wit his horrible 90s style forehand is obsessed wit it “hit wit the dominant shoulder infront”
We do need to hit the ball in front with the hitting in shoulder in front of the other shoulder or at least parallel as Nik and Ian correctly say if we want to have a much better forehand. Why would the pros achieve this position if it wasn’t optimal? I can testify to this as I have gone from hitting late to hitting in front by using body rotation through Nik’s videos and it has transformed my forehand from inconsistent and unreliable to consistent and more powerful. The point of this video and Nik’s videos, which do explain in detail, is how to achieve it. If not done correctly and one is leaning too far in front, off balance, or reaching with the arm from a cramped position where the right shoulder is behind the left (for a righty), then yes you could lose power. If done correctly via good body rotation, using the kinetic chain with good spacing and timing you won’t. As for Nik’s forehand, whether you like his style or not or whether it is 90’s or not doesn’t mean it’s not a great forehand. Agassi hits with a 90’s forehand but it doesn’t mean it’s not a fantastic shot with all the essential ingredients to hit it well. Style is not the same as the fundamentals that are essential for a good shot.
There's a sweet spot where you have the greatest control and power. Making contact with the ball too far behind that sweet spot or too far in front of it will result in reduced power and control.
I like Mark’s comment. Teaching is not a black/white - right wrong thing. There are tens of thousands of teachers at all levels of quality. I have witnessed many many teachers in music. If you took a violin student to 4 master teachers, each would have a bit (some more extreme than others) of a different approach to bow hold, placement, speed, angle etc. and I’m, only mentioning a small handful of details within the hundreds of possible “corrections” they could be making. There are a good number of excellent teachers on YT with many years of experience. Just because someone teaches technique in a different way doesn’t mean he’s totally correct and the other teachers are wrong. Sometimes as a student, you just have to pick “your guy” and go with it. You can’t implement technique from 5 different coaches. That’s why people have 1 violin teacher. After x time they usually move on to others depending upon level etc. Your college violin teacher is going to have A LOT of different things to say and work on verses who you studied with before. Wa the first teacher wrong? That’s why this is not right and wrong situation, it’s a better or different way. Also, students have to have some knowledge and awareness. There’s absolutely no doubt there are master teachers and novice teachers. In the world I was talking about, there were specific teachers regularly produced the finest students who won the major competitions and went on to great scholarships at the finest schools and ended up in the best symphonies. That wasn’t an accident.
Doesn't matter if he does not have a high NTRP level. What matters most for a coach is good observational skills, good communication skills and high tennis IQ. My proof is to look at Nick Bollettieri. He was a 4.0 at best but he coached many #1 and top 10 players.
Here's the step by step drills I was talking about: czcams.com/video/guaiNrtW4kU/video.html
I couldn't agree more. The majority of the tennis teaching I have experienced (not all) is just bad at best, and way too often it hinders rather than helps a player's development.
Keep up the great work, Peter
You just described a major falley of the human kind. At most times we focus on the effect, rather than the cause, which I guess can go on forever depending on how far "up" you want to go. In another way of looking at it; It's good to go beneath the surface to see what it is in the soil that causes the strange growth on the branches of the tree.
Cheers,
M
ps, How remarkable her progress is after fixing the cause...and so many symptoms have been fixed through nature. Awesome.
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I love the way the videos show so clearly where the power comes from , I’ll be checking out your videos more !
So glad this was helpful!
You are genius! Appreciate your lessons and already working on my unwinding) thank you❤
Thanks so much for your support 🙏
Thanks a lot, Ian. This makes it suddenly easy to understand and to visualise. I'll try the drills right away in my next training 🙂
So happy to hear that!
Dam you are an awesome teacher Ian. One of the very best.
Appreciate the kind words, thank you
Here is the thing : day after watching this video I did explain to my 10 years old boy your concept...
Result became automatically effective and I m so grateful to you Sir ❤❤❤😊
Awesome, so happy to hear that!
What a wonderful job. In such a short time, a huge difference. I'm really interested in those drills.👏👏👏
Sorry, here's the drills: czcams.com/video/guaiNrtW4kU/video.html
Great coaching Ian!
🙏
She was hitting the ball with her elbow jammed inside right against her body which was causing the issues including late contact. Just by instructing her to have the elbow away from the body at preparation would have also made a difference...
the real student's arm is 90-degrees and body is facing perpendicular. totally different; glad you pointed it out.
I dream of having a coach like you. I just ordered your book and I hope it will be as good as your videos. Greetings from Poland, keep going!
That's very kind of you, Adam, thank you. If you enjoy the videos I guarantee you'll love the book!
Fantastic information; many thanks!!
You're very welcome!
Thank you SO much for this video!!!
IMPORTANT!
The shoulder turn and the arm moves as one. The arm doesn’t lag. The only thing that lags is the racquet head. You’ll thank me later.
You are totally correct. Sometimes this idea of relaxing the arm so much that it gets floppy causes bad results because the student is late with the arm even though the body is turning properly. I experienced this issue myself until I finally realized that the shoulder turn and the arm move as one. Even though relaxation is very important, I found that there has to be a small amount of tension in the arm to keep the upper body and the arm in sync and moving as one. But I keep the wrist very relaxed to achieve the racquet head lag.
Great stuff as usual.
Thanks for watching!
What software was used to compare the videos?
great review thanks!
Wheeei need these videos of these pros players hitting!!! The side by side is amazing!!
Lots of great clips on CZcams!
What's best position for one handed backhand?
Great video analysis for a coach that doesn't demo himself or his skills and abilities.
I've demo'd my own skills and abilities more publicly than 99.9% of tennis coaches world wide. That's literally the dumbest thing to criticize me about 😆.
@@IanWestermann - You are right. After searching for a few minutes I found a game you played and didn't realize that you were barely a 4.5 player soft hitting lefty. My mistake. I wouldn't demo either if I were you. I still think you have one of the best side coach analysis video channels on the net. Keep up the good work.
Why in the world would I use myself as an example, regardless of my level, when highly detailed examples of the best players who ever lived are easily available? If I was ranked 100 ATP I'd still be using Novak, Serena and Roger to teach....duh. You think you're insulting me but you're not, sorry bro.
This was such a great tennis video. You earned a subscriber
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi, thanks for your great video. Can you please send a link to a drills to work with students?
czcams.com/video/guaiNrtW4kU/video.html
Good stuff, but if you work on catching it in front you have to start your swing a tiny bit earlier and to accomplish it you also want to post your hips and shoulder so you square up.. on the other hand if you're not trying to catch it in front while unloading and rotating you'll be arming the ball despite good body rotation, posting, etc. I definitely get what you're saying but it's a two way situation. :)
If saying "hit out in front" caused players to turn their body at the right time then 95% of club players wouldn't have this problem......because they've been told that thousands of times. Turning the body at the time time leads to "out in front" contact. Unfortunately it does NOT work the other way around.
So good!
Great point
She's late hitting, or using the arm on some shots because of her footwork being more closed stance, ie stepping across to hit the ball. Get slightly more open stance and the body should naturally rotate and encourage more hip and shoulder turn. Just my thoughts 🙂
Hello Mr Ian what app might you be using for that vid playback?
OnForm
So this would apply whether you use open or closed stance, right? I use closed stance. I’ll have to use this for sure!
Yes, the kinetic chain applies to all stances, what physical position you're able to hit will vary, however.
Nice job ☮️
True...keep the good work🎉
Appreciate your support!
What is this app / video viewer?
So where are the mentioned links / drills ?!
The video with the drills pops up at the end. Here it is: czcams.com/video/guaiNrtW4kU/video.html
very nice
She looked better after the change but her racket opens up a little bit at contacts and that needs to be fixed or she will sail a lot of balls unless she hits softer.
This video or this channel is just garbage. The person don’t know tennis. Just few atp pro’s video may fool you. Pros are doing great but the comments are garbage.
I’m guessing she was also hitting a lot of shots long after hitting the ball out front more. Grip plays a big role. Grips near continental require hitting the ball further back and swinging up the back of the ball more. Steffi Graf is a prime example.
In general, there are 2 main-problems of most tennis-Players. Too late preparation of the swing and ellbow too close to the torso/body. Fix that, and playing is much more easy and successful !
Would you look at that! (I'd like a symptom vs. root video series, please Ian.)
Great video! Kinetic chain is the key basic fundamental to every shot in tennis and is the first thing I think about when a shot goes awry in a match. Another way to think of it is weight transfer towards your target.
Great kinetic chain can happen regardless of direction of weight transfer.
Focus on the ball where it drop.Think fast & take action fastest so that your follow true are awesome. 🎾Make sure the the ball drop within the playing zone.Yesss
I always recommend waiting for the ball with the arm already swung back instead of trying to make backswing and swing one motion. Too complicated.
@@sebastiandomagala9233 from my experience, this really messes up people's timing mechanism. This is okay for old school continental forehands. I think a neutral position with the racquet face to the side is fine for a modern forehand that uses a racquet drop.
Someone else can say that this is also a symptom of something else🤔
They definitely could.
But then the rotation of the body is symptom of proper spacing
but then spacing is symptom of proper footwork
@@bigneck123 touche… but i would say footwork in combination with vision and spatial awareness
Surely the grip makes a difference too?
With how the uses her body? No.
Maybe it would be better to say consequence instead of symptom. Tennis instruction sure is all over the place: czcams.com/video/6uswibxRz1A/video.html
all the examples you showed are literally pros hitting in front
Who hits like this girl in the first place if she's a student of any academy? Seems like Patrick ways of intentionally asking wrong method first and then teaching.
I marry your thesis of going to root causes. But you wrongly applied to your student because she is still using her arms and not the body to hit the ball. She should have a rotational momentum but it's pretty linear and arm driven as you can see from her feets.
This guy is a 4.0 maybe a high 4.0 it's the reason his Channel fell off. Doesn't have the credentials like all other tennis youtube coaches
she not taking the ball further in front she taking the ball further away from the body ( to the side ) which was the main problem,
Not really...
You didnt get it 😮
@@jmberille1 then explain what I didn’t get 🤔
@@jmberille1 look at 2.10 elbow against the body and at 7.30 elbow away from the body but the underarm still around a 45 degree and to get that you stretch your arm more. If you do that by turning or keeping the ball further away it’s the same
@@foxyonthrottle690 I mean I think u misunderstood the point, or I m wrong... she did hit the ball in front cos she turned her hips at the correct position in a coordination with her shoulder that allowed her to get a perfect contact point with much more space from the arm to the body and extended arm
🎾👨🏫👏
Yet another misleading video, it’s not just about hitting the ball in front of
Hey Ian, you can't keep contradicting yourself just to be different because your students and followers are going to suffer.
Ya, that sounds terrible.....so what's the contraction?
@@IanWestermann What's contradicting your title it reads "don't try to hit Infront" But hitting in front is good their shoulders automatically move by default when you hit in front.
If u try to focus on hitting ball infront, u will end up hitting it too far in front and now forehand has no power . Its something u shouldn’t even be thinking about but nick from intuitive tennis wit his horrible 90s style forehand is obsessed wit it “hit wit the dominant shoulder infront”
We do need to hit the ball in front with the hitting in shoulder in front of the other shoulder or at least parallel as Nik and Ian correctly say if we want to have a much better forehand. Why would the pros achieve this position if it wasn’t optimal? I can testify to this as I have gone from hitting late to hitting in front by using body rotation through Nik’s videos and it has transformed my forehand from inconsistent and unreliable to consistent and more powerful. The point of this video and Nik’s videos, which do explain in detail, is how to achieve it. If not done correctly and one is leaning too far in front, off balance, or reaching with the arm from a cramped position where the right shoulder is behind the left (for a righty), then yes you could lose power. If done correctly via good body rotation, using the kinetic chain with good spacing and timing you won’t.
As for Nik’s forehand, whether you like his style or not or whether it is 90’s or not doesn’t mean it’s not a great forehand. Agassi hits with a 90’s forehand but it doesn’t mean it’s not a fantastic shot with all the essential ingredients to hit it well. Style is not the same as the fundamentals that are essential for a good shot.
There's a sweet spot where you have the greatest control and power. Making contact with the ball too far behind that sweet spot or too far in front of it will result in reduced power and control.
I like Mark’s comment. Teaching is not a black/white - right wrong thing. There are tens of thousands of teachers at all levels of quality. I have witnessed many many teachers in music. If you took a violin student to 4 master teachers, each would have a bit (some more extreme than others) of a different approach to bow hold, placement, speed, angle etc. and I’m, only mentioning a small handful of details within the hundreds of possible “corrections” they could be making. There are a good number of excellent teachers on YT with many years of experience. Just because someone teaches technique in a different way doesn’t mean he’s totally correct and the other teachers are wrong. Sometimes as a student, you just have to pick “your guy” and go with it. You can’t implement technique from 5 different coaches. That’s why people have 1 violin teacher. After x time they usually move on to others depending upon level etc. Your college violin teacher is going to have A LOT of different things to say and work on verses who you studied with before. Wa the first teacher wrong? That’s why this is not right and wrong situation, it’s a better or different way. Also, students have to have some knowledge and awareness. There’s absolutely no doubt there are master teachers and novice teachers. In the world I was talking about, there were specific teachers regularly produced the finest students who won the major competitions and went on to great scholarships at the finest schools and ended up in the best symphonies. That wasn’t an accident.
I saw a video of this guy hitting and I can’t believe he coaches. A 3.5 at most.
Doesn't matter if he does not have a high NTRP level. What matters most for a coach is good observational skills, good communication skills and high tennis IQ. My proof is to look at Nick Bollettieri. He was a 4.0 at best but he coached many #1 and top 10 players.
@@circuitdesign Those who can’t do, teach.