Joshua Schmidt Reacts to Yugioh Has A BIG Problem..
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2023
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I would literally buy every new release if the rarity distribution was like OCG's, I don't mind playing commons/rares as long I have access to the cards I need to build the deck I'm interested in.
Totally agree 💯
Late pend era?!? Everything after chaos plant era was nuts.
As soon as xyz dropped we got the chaos dragon/macrorabbit/inzektor format. Closely followed by Edragon/spell book format.
The game has always had its cheese but the games interaction has never been close to plant format(and before) outside of slow trap heavy formats but even those are usually floodgate formats.
Heavy traps back in the day were mostly staples and finite and floodgates outside of decree/oppression didn't blanket check the whole game(not even just the meta).
Everything has been blazing speed since... not to mention they took all the stale traps to deal with many threats until after they powercrept them, today they're all at 3 iirc. Late pendulum era they just said F it in terms of powercreep.
@@qweschuning What in the world are you replying to
@@nmr7203 go be a douche somewhere else.
When you get 2 secret and 4 ultra and one of those secrets are $1... you're pretty screwed
Could have sworn this was a tier list video
It was
@@Magnamhut light sarcasm buddy
I'll say what I said under Ruxins video aswell:
The mainproblem isnt that we have too much product, it is the type of product we get. Buying sealed is alrdy a gamble so why bother trying to gamble every 2 weeks, most people cant afford that.
A better way would be to make more structure decks and duel devestator types of sets.
Legendary Duelists could be easily changed into a Legendary Hero Decks style product, instead of packs, you get a box with 3 structure decks, 1 for each archetype for 30-40 bucks, easy to pickup new decks and good value for otherwise mid decks.
Primary reprint sets could be changed into a duel devestator style product where you get the reprints guaranteed in the box while new cards could be part of packs included in the box.
Tins need promos back and a change in the rarity distribution: Making every good card a prismatic secret while mixing it with literal dogwater cards and only giving out 3 per 20€ box is an utter scam. Bring back the best cards as promos back while shifting the rarities of cards so you cant lowroll like crazy
Yeah, last product I remember buying to open was last years megatins and mama, cuz I knew I would, at the very least, get some usable cards. I didn't save money compared to singles, but I came close and would be willing to buy those sorts of things again. I enjoy thinking "maybe I'll get a starlight!" but like, only when I know I will get my money's worth. buying most sets sealed is basically flushing money down a toilet
Yep they should have more guaranteed pulls by box or case
I love how yugioh tcg has so many problems on the playerbase/comunity that you can't even point out which one is the REAL problem. i myself think that the problem is that no player wants to buy boxes/packs and instead buy singles because the most chased cards are high rarity which is different from ocg that has most chased cards as common/rares on sets (just look at kashtira, fenrir was a rare on jp).
Every problem filters back to the game's modern design being rotten and unsustainable. Power creep, complexity creep, and archetype design make designing sets a massive undertaking. The game's playable standards are extremely high which makes it difficult to print generics that aren't so ridiculously broken that they justify buying and putting into your decks over the ludicrous number of eternal staples and archetype cards that are designed to work only within their own deck. When they do make something everyone wants they've struck diamonds and have to rarity bump to give sets any value at all outside of the archetypes they introduce. When you open a pack now you're looking for cards you know you already want. When was the last time you read a common card you pulled from a prize pack and realized it was actually worth playing outside of the deck it was intended for? Probably Pankratops. It's all unplayable pack filler because that's where the game's design is. Everything except secrets and chase ultras being unplayable or niche makes the value of sets dog water.
The game design needs to change and there needs to be a massive drain on complexity and power or else we're going to keep going through print and ban cycles where the only way they have to not completely break the game with power creep is to kill the decks they just got done selling to you. The game suffers in literally every area due to the rapid power creep wall that was built in the late Pendulum era.
In regards to opening sets, it comes down to pull rates and nothing else. The TCG gets absolutely reamed compared to the OCG on pull rates, pull excitement/variety, and prices. In the OCG they have AMAZING looking rarities and every card gets printed at multiple rarities, even COMMONS have Secret Rare prints in the same set, and there's only a few cards that only get printed at Ultra Rare or higher. This makes it super fun to open boxes, as every single box is truly unique. Doing it this way keeps prices down for those who want to actually play the game, as most playable cards have low rarity prints. This incentivises players to actually buy a box or two, rather than singles because they are able to pull most of what they want and possibly in some crazy cool rarities. This keeps Stores happy because players are buying product and it keeps Collectors happy because they have truly captivating cards to hunt that are worth $$$. Everybody wins under this system.
In the TCG however, almost every card in the set only has one rarity printing and the most desirable cards almost always the highest rarity printing, and there are more high rarity only cards in the set. This makes it harder to pull them from opening products. Pushing people to the singles market, where the prices are inflated because hardly anybody is opening product and the cards people want are only Ultras and above. Everybody loses. Stores because they can't shift product because it's not worth opening over singles. People who just want to play because the singles are now inflated in price. Collectors because there's only like 1-2 special rarity cards worth pulling in any set.
Oh, I can point it out for ya lad: The REAL Problem is that Konami is just a terrible company through and through, doing what's best for business only, being egotistical and constantly being stuck behind the curve of modern media, franchising and video gaming culture.
You might disagree with me now and/or don't want to believe this, brushing my words off, but trust me, the longer you are a fan of the IPs this company hold, the sooner you will come to the realization that Yu-Gi-Oh's 'problems' aren't exclusive to Yu-Gi-Oh! at all.
if you are buying singles than some1 is buying boxes, it shouldnt be an issue.
@@bombalzalkgamingas a MG/CV fan as well, it’s honestly a shame how badly Konami has fallen from its prime in the 90s to the corporate shills today. Still won’t forgive them what they did to kojima and Silent hills
As a returnee player, I really cant keep up with the pace of everything theyve been releasing, Its so overwhelming
Same. I came back into Yugioh around 2019 and I’ve been playing the same zombie deck since 2021. It’s too hard to keep up with meta.
The big issue is the fact that TCGland Konami will rarity spike popular archetypes or desirable staples which turns off more casual players as it's unlikely for them to pull those cards from packs due to the exclusive nature of the higher rarity cards. However, if there were a common or rare variant printed in the same set, players will be more likely to buy into the set as they'll be able to still be more likely to pick up those popular archetypes or desirable staples at the lower rarity while collectors and hunters can max out on the high rarity prints. The distribution of value would be leveled out and those $70 staples would have $4 common prints from the same set.
The problem yugioh is facing now is the same problem vanguard faced. They're releasing entire sets themed around only a couple of archetypes. So if nobody wants to play those archetypes, then the whole set flops. They need to do a better job of putting good reprints and chase ghost rares in these sets or they will continue to do poorly
Like GFTP2, essentially. High rarity for everything, but its all cheap because the rarity is guaranteed.
And stop releasing sets each 2 weeks dude
@@ThunderflySc2if anything we need sets to be released faster so we can match up with the OCG, having the same set at the exact same time as the OCG would make the game a lot better
@@jaimeordonez468 We're talking about the overall business strategy, not format-unification.
The current pace is insane, and it's not like it is bringing us closer to the OCG, is it?
@@xCorvus7x this time last year we were 3 core sets behind the OCG, right now the only core set they have ahead of us is AGOV, other than that they’ve also got valiant smashers ahead of us, which were scheduled to get in November
We really need the anniversary set to be a success so we might get a permanent change to the OCG rarity distribution.
I've seen the Anniversary booster packs being touted as costing £5.99 per pack in the UK.
That's around $7.50 per pack in Dollars.
@@AFCManUkJesus that’s pricy
@@tylerkeegan5615 Nah, it's cool.
I sold ALL my Yu-Gi-Oh! stuff and started collecting Transformers instead.
Now THAT gets pricey!! lol
Not that this would have fixed the issue of soulburning volcano, but they dropped the ball by not reprinting kurikara or blaster in the damn set. It would've had a reason to be bought and sold, but i guess it also compounds the current issue
Maybe, and just hear me out: THEY SHOULD STRUCTURE SETS LIKE THE OCG AND REPRINT ACCESSIBLE STAPLES MORE OFTEN. They also need to slow tf down, but thats sort of an obvious issue at this point that everyone is cognizant of now. And YES, the frequency of the sets and having them this close together is bad for the game. Magic the Gathering was suffering from the exact same issue before their $1000 proxy fiasco, which just completely kneecapped the game's reputation.
Like, unless you play or want to play Salamangreat or Volcanics (Battlin' Boxer looks like ass), who the fuck is going to buy that set? Konami has somehow funneled themselves into the same issue that Vanguard had before overDress, and this game doesnt even have non-mixing archetypes.
How the fuck did that happen???
THERE'S ALSO THE FACT that you can't really build a competent deck by pulling packs from just a single set (unless you're a whale). This goes back to the problem that the TCG needs to structure sets like the OCG, but the fact that you HAVE to buy singles online to "affordably" build a deck for a decent archetype is just atrocious. The reason that Yugioh was popping off in 2021 was because Branded was a tier 1 deck that was super accessible due to the structure deck. The closest we have to that right now is Traptrix, which is only DEBATABLY a tier 2 deck.
It's obvious Konami did this to themselves given that they rarity bump popular archetypes/desirable staples when coming to the TCG
Short-sighted greed fucking up the game's profitability in the long term
what do you mean branded chimera and infernoble is easily miles ahead of traptrix
@@justawarlordas that may be, its not the point. Branded was pretty much full-build off the structure deck back in the days of its release. chimera and infornable are nowhere near as accessible as buying 3 structures for 30 bucks and having like 70% of the deck done.
@@untildead5763Branded was not fully built out of the Structure Deck. Aluber was a $50 card at the time after the reprint due to that fact. Before teh reprint we are talking well over $70 per copy.
This is unironically the one set where you can get deck cores from a single box, minus the ultra.
The other problem is that the conditions to be an average local hobby store don't exist anymore. You can't just be a guy who runs 7-8 games per week in his leased building and function off of a stats sheet of your average cases sold per set and buying somewhere around that each set. All the big tcg have lower general audiences than they used to, which means that you are catering to maybe 20-30 guys (depending on location) per game each set. You're just going to lose money if you don't buy cases proportionate to what those guys are interested in. Which also means knowing each of the games to some degree. Bad sets don't help but if you aren't profiting on the average sets then you'll always crash and burn eventually. There's no more little jimmies buying singles of bad sets because stardust dragon is printed on the front and they just finished watching an episode of 5ds
Buyin Bad sets cause Star Dust is on front? Damn stop callin me out man.
Granted last time i pulled Albooba so its all fine
Unironically if we just stopped with Rush Duel we might be in a better spot. I don't even know what Konami was thinking with that. At least Speed Duel was related to the main game because of Link summoning. Rush Duel has nothing.
@@colossaldonut5190 Rush Duels came into being because they wanted more kids to play the game, and the modern game is too complex for the average kid to wrap their head around. The main appeal of an anime to Konami is it can bring in kids and adolescents. And "I can Normal Summon Junk Synchron to grab Quillbolt Hedgehog and make Junk Warrior" works well in an anime and a kid can grok it. "I Normal Summon Spinny, Spinny into Balelinx who searches Sanctuary, Gazelle activates in my hand allowing me to Special Summon it" is a lot harder to make comprehensible, esp bc it doesn't accomplish much by itself, it's just by the end of the REST OF the combo you end up on something really strong. It's just become too hard to make an anime that represents the game and has appeal to ppl who'd watch it.
And Rush is doing well in JP. It hits a different market and is easier for kids and also ofc adults to get into. I think it'd do well in the West if they'd bring it over. Easier to make look good in an anime, easier to teach people, games last more turns and so feel more interactive, and it has less complex gameplay than YGO's modern combofest. And more turns and less complex gameplay *is* something ppl have been asking for.
@@rjknapp7459And moar Cyber Dragon support!
This was a major problem that Vanguard had during V format. Every 2 months a new set would drop that would force players to pick up the new cards. The previous sets would instantly lose value or if the set was bad people would skip it knowing that the next set would be better. Stores would have to stop carrying Vanguard because sets would get outdated so fast they'd get stuck with unsellable product.
It still kind of is a problem with Standard right? They release a new set way too often still.
@@user-ip4zd9zw2t at least it's not every set people have to buy new cards unless of course you're collecting nation(s)
@@user-ip4zd9zw2t nah I would say, sets are getting their values both in launch and down the line, I saw at least 2 times where a set had ok prices at launch, and just kept gettin more and more value as new stuff came out, basically rewarding sellers with extra stash of previous old stuff, overall, I would say bushiroad did a very good job in standard in maintaining value of old sets
Part of the problem does sit with the part of Konami that does the rarity changes for the TCG version of the Core Sets, because of how they rarity bump cards and make a lot of the chase cards into Secret Rares that are only 2 per box, which further disincentivises the purchase of boxes to pull cards.
The problem is in order for sets to maintain value, if not increase, they have to powercreep or else they’ll die.
Last year, POTE and DABL were really expensive because they contained new archetypes that became meta, and contained staples that any deck could run (Bystials in DABL).
This year, the problem is most cards aren’t as generically good as the two sets mentioned, and they can’t really powercreep as much as they did last year due to complaints.
All yugioh sets need a complete design overhaul. Less set releases but make them bigger. Commons and rares have so few variety they have no value while ultras and secrets have all the value. Also, only having a tiny handful of cards get the high rarity slot is a missed opportunity. Make them easier to pull and give every card a high rarity version. So many times I pull a common that I fall in love with and wish I could buy a high rarity version of it but they don't exist. Back when it was just 5 starlights it was horrible, and when 2 or more are duds it's depressing.
While these are just my opinions on what to do, in the end there are many good options and we NEED a change. Legendary Duelist Sets, Collector rare sets, main core sets, even the tins are failing. What does it take get them to try something new?! Please, Konami, just do something different before we lose even more stores.
Genuinely curious if boxes would see more opening if we had the ocg rarity system. Part of me actually started to realise that buying boxes with like 2 targets of value really does burn people and keep them from opening more, so maybe if their were more hits even at a casual level like ultra/secret/starlight/ulti version of the card u like. It might hit the secondary market a bit as certain stuff would be a lot cheaper but maybe that wouldnt be as bad since it can get redistributed to more cards
People been saying this for years we don't need more banger, or rarity bumps. We need more affordable decks to get new players in the game. Like first time ash blossom got a structure deck reprint. People wanted to play again. The really correct market. Is doing lower rarity for one print and a higher rarity for the stable cards at good release schedule.
We can have both. Rarity bumps like the OCG does means that decks are more accessible and affordable because they print a staple like Triple Tactics Thrust at both a Super rare, an Ultra, a Secret, and a Starlight, or the equivalent. You can get the low rarity ones for cheap and collectors/vendors can chase the highest rarity version in the set. And that applies to a ton of cards in each of their sets.
yooo the forbidden josh video came back to 1
They really need to make alternate artworks a bigger thing
Konami needs to adapt to the modern times. The important cards which used to be UR and SCR need more alt art versions which are released in that set. UR and SCR needs to have a SR version to to make it affordable. The more people play the game me more are willing to bling out their cards. Alt arts with different foiling is the way to go to sell packs.
Vendors aren't human so it doesn't matter
Maybe people would buy packs if those packs had good cards
Soulburning Volcano contains nothing but terrible legacy support and mid reprints. No wonder people aren't buying the packs. Or the singles for that matter, despite how much people were begging for Volcanics
At least synchro storm has Baron as a price to go after
As someone who tried to get into yugioh TCG as a casual player/collecor of stuff I like, I had to realise VERY quickly that I cannot afford this hobby whatsoever and switched to casually collecting stuff I like. 'Opening product is a waste of money. Rates for specific cards are so low, you need to shell out hundreds of euros for even half a deck of stuff that will jsut autolose to any and all handtraps, gloing second cards and foodgates, a playset of most of which cost more money than I spend for food in a month. Opening product means to accumulate tons of worthless cardbord for 5-6 times as much money as I think the packs are worth with current rates.
Currently, I consider yugioh a rich people hobby, you need to be upper middle class to afford it. Well, or make it your new 2nd job and get deep into the secondary maarket, selling cards you do not need to run a profit. It's just not soething you can get into on a csual level. Look at structure decks. They're not a goddamn deck, you need 3 of them to build a deck. Is this some kind of sick joke? A structure deck should be a pre-built deck, with 3 copies of a few handtraps and every important engine piece+extra deck + side deck.
As I see it, the rates of product and stuff like structure deck is engineered to milk the existing playerbase for as much as possible and is completely inaccessible to new players.
My locals only buys one case and when it’s gone it’s gone.
Tbh Konami needs to focus on card quality first. Once they have consistent good quality on card prints they need to print full arts and alt arts. Imagine alt art staples sold in random sets they would sell
The collective deja vu is over
Opening yugioh since they have decided to make it 10 secret rares with only one or two good secret rares in a set has been terrible! so many times myself and people i know have opened product to get two secret rares that are worth $10 combined is crazy!
so what this tells me is that Konami is messing up product both for the distributors as much as the players. the issue is that the product themes don't have enough going on to sweep in enough attention for each of them to handle well enough for the cost. could be because of lack of general card interest. pull odds on the valued and needed cards, bad rarity amounts (I honestly wouldn't care if my entire deck was a "common" equiv, but i know others like that foil stuff while i couldn't give a toss), just being sick of the TCG departments crap...
The easiest play would be to reduce costs for distributors to help lessen the blow of products that don't preform, but like a certain other companies i know they will not do that. So the next best option is improving the card quality, rarity, or sprinkling in those staples everyone goes on about into sets to make any old set worth picking up. it's ridiculous that a first set reprint did one of the best in this vid... I'm even less familiar on the OCG practices, but people seem to think their methods might be better? what do they do thats different?
something to note though, is that this is the 25th anniverssary, which is amounting to a card pack shotgun of releases. maybe it wouldn't look so unsustainable if this was any non anniversarry year.
Screwing over players wasn't enough for Konami, so now they're screwing over retailers and vendors. Way to run a company into the ground.
A lot of these legendary duelist sets could just be a lower amount of structure decks with the new prints and some old support and of course some staples to make them viable out of the box
Imagine turning the legendary duelist sets into the new 2 player structure sets.that would make the reprints attainable, and have consistent product. With a few of those little sample packs like the tins used to have, containing higher rarity versions of common cards in the structure, and some good reprints to boot.
@@vla1ne yeah, honestly this product is obviously geared toward people who want a fire deck so why go through the hassle of packs, just anything that turns it into a product that's immediately playable would be much more useful
@@Mc_Beefcake basically. they could have taken it and made it a variant structure, with 2 of the 3 decks, or even all 3 like that time they tried triple sets.
Hey I know it's off topic but I do have a question about quarter-century rares.... I purchased three copies of the bystial lubellion quarter-century rare at an insane cheap price. I knew what I was getting into but I only spent a little bit so I wanted to test it out.
Long story short it arrived today and I was expecting it to be either fake or not English. It is an English and it looks like a quarter-century rare but they feel different. How do the quarter-century rares feel because mine feels thin and glossy like
I have a question regarding buying displays from vendors on cardmarket, tcgplayer, etc.:
Is it a common practice for bigger vendors to open cases until the majority of high raritiy cards has been pulled and then selling off the rest of displays? Or maybe using other methods of scanning through a case your average customer isn't familiar with? And if yes, are there ways around this as a buyer, eg buying a display from local stores?
Additional question: Are methods like this permitted in general?
Kind regards
I can’t imagine Konami’s margins aren’t crazy selling cardboard (especially since how low quality is releases are) so they should give these small businesses more wiggle room for the sets that lose money
Card shops selling boxes at $90+ is the reason I pray on lgs downfall
The issue is the product itself and how the product is designed by konami. The value of the entire product is tied up in the starlights and the "not short printed" short print secrets.
Just look at the ocg, their chase cards come in both common/rare and secret/ulti/ghost so stores and players arent just relying on pulling the chase cards when they buy a box/case, they are likely to get at least close to the value of the box just from the regular pulls or rares/supers and the chase pulls are a nice bonus on top to keep them invested as its supposed to be.
Konami tcg needs to start fixing their set design and bring in multiple rarities for cards that are looking to likely be chase cards (staples, top tier archetypes, etc).
This also has the advantage of bringing in new players and helping them stick around since they dont feel excluded due to not having access to staples that are priced way too high for what most players is only supposed to be a hobby/casual endeavor.
Can't find reprint sets except Lob in the UK. Sold out everywhere.
in the OCG Konami releases a new product once a month, Main Set, Deck build, Structure, World Premiere, Main Set, Duelist pack, and so on.
Maybe the fix is them combining the legendary duelist sets with the deck build sets and doing fewer releases or if there was more generic cards in them
Having a set every 2 weeks is a problem either way, people won’t buy a box of product or more with that frequency nor the singles of every set for that reason. If there was more time people would be investing more into one sigle set and demand would be higher as well. This long term is a problem as stores still have to buy but customers will skip certain sets or something and that way in order to sell that product they will have to lose more money
I definitely think Yu-Gi-Oh has too many cards being printed. About 12,000 total cards in the game and while yes a majority of the cards from older formats are just bad or have been power crept, i would say that modern YGO only really plays about 15% of the available cards.
Would alternate arts of cards or maybe full arts of cards increase value of boxes I feel like that’s a good way to make an incentive to buy boxes for cards
I also want to note what I'll phrase as "hype burn", which I'm not saying as being burnt-out from having hype for each set. I'm saying by not spacing releases, I'd imagine you tank the previous because the distance between them separates the funds for sets and now you're only really running bright fuses for the people who need/really want new cards and not letting the progression of prices happen over a month or two. (I know the point was kinda made that people wouldn't want to pay every month from being annoyed, but I'd state that the choked flow of wealth definitely restricts the sets prices cause they want to make a more immediate profit.) I hope this is just a "25th anniversary blowout" and next year they can have the few core sets with battles of legend and legendary duelist, cause I think this year has been 4 cores, the legendary set, battles, 4 reprint sets, the tins
My overall card value is down 40% from when I opened my sets up. Every time I get something I scan it into my program for the prices I buy it for or current market value when I acquired the cards from boxes. It sucks when you lose well over $1500 worth in about a year.
As a player of Carfight Vanguard this is eerily familiar. I pray Konami doesn't hit the panic button as a result and prints another POTE set like Bushiroad did.
I got my LGS to Start Doing Drafts.
1st Draft was a Chaos with Parohs Servant, and the other 2 I forgot. Last Week we did Hidden Arsenal Ch. 1. This week well being doing LD Soulburning Volcano.
I highly recomend everyone try this with their LGS. Everyone Wins. Keeps the YGO spicy.
Maybe an other idea it's too make some ban list more often,
For example if they made a ban list beginning of August by free gazelle, the duellistes legendary set will be more interesting for customer
And also for duellistes nexus if you ban kashtira and weaken some other deck : there will be interest for visas cards and maybe infernoble card which can be new meta deck
Actually WILD that they didn't unlimit Gazelle before dropping this. Not only does it not need to be there in the first place but leaving it on there while dropping a salad box is pure insanity.
I feel like rarity distribution/contents is the biggest issue here - why as a player would I buy a box when I probably can't make any of the new deckss from it, since I need 3x secret rares it literally cannot contain? There's just way too little reason to buy a box as a player imo to justify how they're currently priced, and I say this as someone who generally looks more favourably than most towards buying a box, since I do like having the random bulk commons laying around should I ever want them
Was wondering what happend to this video
Genuine question because nobody seems to point it out. Did the displays always cost 100€ ? I remember all the way back to GAOV where boxes were more around 80/85€. Sometimes, boxes like BLLR were even less expensive, like 70/75. Ok we didnt have the guaranted secret but pulling a bad secret today is exactly the same as not pulling one
The problem of so many new cards is what keeps me from playing IRL right now. I play only Madolche's, but I want to know the decks that I'm going to be facing in tournaments. And it changes too fast for me to catch up since I'm a small business owner that works 7 days a week. It's rough
NEVER STOP PLAYING MADOLCHE WE WILL GET SUPPORT SOON (megacope)
I usually just buy a box or 2 from my locals to get 3 of every low rarity card, hopefully something good. Then later I just order the cards I want to finish my decks or needs online (my locals doesn't have singles for sale, so I have to do it online sadly)
Does anyone also feel that 13% platform fee is also too much and a huge problem as well? A lose lose situation to the seller and buyer, win for just providing a server and security.
im looking at the prices for box and want to cryyyy, here boxes start at around 110$ and get can to 120
I WOULD CONSISTENTLY BUY PRODUCT IF IT WAS PRICED AND STRUCTURED LIKE OCG IM JUST SAYING KONAMI!
This retailer/vendor problem is extremely hard to grasped, not only for YGO for ALL TCGs.
I used to worked in a LGS and I saw the prices for what the store gets the product and how the costs of the store has to be included for the costumer prices... combine this with the huge amount of different online sellers makes it extremely hard for a local store (regardless of they sell online or not) to really make any money with TCGs overall.
About the set preorder for stores. They are mostly around 3-5 Months BEFORE release of the set... so yeah think about how they have to think about investing in a set.
I honestly think they should bring powerful cards, that are fairly new and used often, back even more as low rarity reprints. Both Konami and the players would profit from it. Konami would not have to fill packs with newly designed cards when they could fill like 1/3 of the space with reprints of powerful staple cards. And we as players would profit from those reprints cause we wouldnt need to pay like 30 bucks for a single of copy of prosperity or other cards that are just way too expensive. It would give the players a reason to actually buy the sets if there were enough good cards reprinted in them and those that still want their shiny version of powerful staples can still just buy them on cardmarket or at local shops, if possible.
One thing I don't understand about the eBay calculations, does the store normally pay for shipping? I've never seen that in my life unless there was a sale or something going on.
a lot of listings on ebay from stores is free shipping, so yes they do pay for shipping
At my local OTS we players made sure to inform the owner not to really bother with LED10, as we collectively had very little interest in it. And frankly if we the players attending events there aren't going to buy it, it'll just sit there barely selling. Alternatively for AGOV we're hyped so he'll probably end up getting in a extra case. I think we can help out just by communicating with store owners like this, Alot of owners won't have their ear to the ground about every product they stock so we can help them not make bad choices.
If you watched the video, you'll understand vendors are forced to buy bad sets
this is the second upload right ?
Iirc the problem was also the minimum amount cases that the LGS has to buy for every set methinks, if it was the core set then yeah sure no problem but if it is the side sets especially the thematic ones with no chase cards then we all know the set is not going to be popular. Konami made too many thematic sets and LGS has to buy a certain amount of that set even after knowing right off the bat that it will not sell well
I have one local that adds tax on their product so a box that’s about 85-90 after tax would be about 121 or so. Then I have another local that doesn’t add tax and the boxes are 75 out the door. I don’t understand how some shops are so different when it comes to the prices.
My local shop sells boxes at 80-100 dollars a box, how u guys getting $50 boxes
Used to own an online Yu-Gi-Oh store in the UK. The only Yu-Gi-Oh distributor here is BLISS. Konami sets a booster box at the cost per pack, not the booster box. So they set the MSRP at £80-90 for a booster box. At the best Bulk discount rates for Boosters, you can't get about £1.25 per box from the distributor for buying 12 cases (144 booster boxes). That's it. The big online stores with bulk shipping rate deals can barely afford to sell at 5% about the bulk rate margins. For smaller stores, you do lose money on a 5% margin before shipping and taxes. It got to the point I stopped carrying booster boxes and only carried the specialty items (sleeves, deck boxes, mats) and releases like GFTP, gold boxes and tins. The margins on those were about 15% before shipping and taxes. Brock and mortar have to charges 30% just to cover the rent of the store. Yugioh is absolutely not profitable.
I kinda wish he briefly pulled up similar stats with other tcgs so we could see how much more profitable other games are box for box.
The only store left that still carries Yugioh near me is a 40 minute drive, Walmart.
All the local shops have stopped carrying them and only one will still host non OTS Casual Tournaments.
Kills me to see.
My locals literally was selling legendary duelists soulburning volcano for $80 a box
The way to make the most money would be selling by pack value wise but I don't think people would buy
where's my tier list video
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As a player I love new sets and the cards they bring. But I buy only singles because that is the most affordable way. I have never thought about the cost boxes for the stores. I think Konami needs to make things cheaper instead of lowering the amount of products
My favorite thing about Soulburning Volcano is the Volcanic cards are stupidly priced on ebay. It reminds me of the Ra support.
I think I good solution would’ve been to replace the legendary duelist sets with legendary hero decks. A $30 box with a volcanic, salad, and Battlin boxer deck that keeps the new cards would be exciting and many people would buy 3 of it which is more than a box.
For the comment asking who buys boxes on Ebay, I do. It was just cheaper this time around. 64$ for Age of Overlord vs over 70$ on TCGplayer. Ebay can definitely be hit or miss, but it's still very much valid for some products.
I bought 5 packs of monsterous renege at my local card shop yesterday, and pulled a 25th secret rare bystial lubellion
hobby stores make some money from the sets but i thought they kind of make money on the second hand market selling singles and stuff like that not so much from the boosters/boxes
Some Distributors will defiantly let you pick and choose in YuGiOh. Konami is print to order, they do not allocate the Distributors like Pokemon TCG. It makes the distributors happier if you order every set, obviously, but I have no idea why they would allocate anyone assuming they order within the Pre-Order window, which is about 4 months before the release date. Honestly the reason it's hard to pick and choose in YGO as a game store is because there isn't a lot of information out on the set by the time you have to have Pre-Orders in. Cards are revealed in the OCG, but every new card gets a lot of hype and so it's hard to know what's worth the investment.
Lately buying product from my locals seems more like a chore I owe to keep them in business than adding to my hobby
yugioh may have a set release issue.....but LET ME TALK to you ABOUT MTG's Product RELEASES LMAO
My locals isn’t getting product anymore after rarity collection cuz it doesn’t sell
Please bring back in set ultis
I wanted to touch on this on a prior comment, and this is slightly off the topic of what ruxin is saying, but I think Tistina legitimately models the ideal rarity distribution: you have 3-of archetypal ultras, so there's _some_ value among higher rarity cards, but the secret rare is just a 2-of at best, so the number of cores for the deck, unless the next wave of support changes things, is not hard capped by the number of playsets of a secret rare that can be pulled.
In terms of more meta examples, Ariseheart was a great choice to be a secret, Wraithsoth was a greedy choice.
Can someone explain By LoB is a good set? They are al reprints of either bad cards or cards that have 30 reprints later
nostalgia
My local store sells boxes at 80ish plus tax. 😢
"all this awesomeness right now" riiiight
That’s crazy! Our local LGS sells boxes at 95$. I haven’t bought a box from them since like LART Dmg
They print out so much useless shitty box filler that no one will ever use to make it impossible to pull what you want. Imagine being able to open a box or 2 of product and being able to make a semi-competent deck.
To me there is no such thing as pack filler. Every card is useful.
Was DABL not released this year?
Part of the issue is power creep in the sense of either A. new cards being way too good or B. certain old cards outshining new cards. This has led me to want certain generic cards hit or banned, for example, if Accesscode gets banned that frees up to at minimum two extra deck slots and cyberese decks will actually try out new boss monsters like the new firewall or raging phoenix.
I think a big issue is just the amount of legacy support. Like, yes, I understand that it's cool to see some Fire King support or some Volcanic support, but the sheer amount of it is staggering. Nowadays we can't go two weeks without Konami announcing yet another bunch of cards that are based on a thing that you know; not only is this only exciting for a very small portion of the community but it is also unlikely to make a big impact in the first place, so, as a set, it will lose value.
Another issue, in my opinion, is the removal of several rarities of the same card from main sets; starlights are way too rare for the average Joe to want to buy product and only appear in the first printings anyway. I used to purchase boxes pretty regularly, but nowadays I only do if the set is actually good and I am likely to break even myself, which isn't that often.
Finally, I think we also all should come to grips with the "loot box" nature of the game and how that should probably just change; the throughline here is just that cases, boxes, and even packs are of unknown value. You might win big, but you also might not.
buying singular packs is something i always seem to do to pay the upkeep of me being in the store. which is a purchase every hour. side sets are the worst to ever get. honestly digimon is usually always value per pack
My friend owns a Comic Shop, and there have been times down the years where he's ALMOST stopped stocking Yu-gi-oh! because of the very reasons Ruxin mentions.
If it weren't for the fact that random shoppers will pick up single packs now and again, and that he has folders full of the more premium single cards to sell instore and on eBay (And that the Comics side of the business is flourishing right now), he probably would have stopped stocking Yu-Gi-Oh!! years ago.
This exact same thing was happening with graphics cards a few years back. NVIDIA was squeezing the board makers (ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI...) by setting msrps much higher than demand allows.
Was?
Judging by some leaks of future sets this problem will continue for local stores truly depressing to hear about
Most locals around me charge 80 per box...
I very firmly stand by my point, and believe this video affirms it. The cheapest version for any card should NOT be above $20 at its cheapest, but in exchange, you have options to search for lottery versions of each card. You want to build a deck on the cheap? Great! Odds are high pulling from packs will get you lower rarity cards of at least decent value, or at least be desired by one or more players. You want to show off a blingy deck? Then by all means, gives further incentive to buy packs, as at worst, you get common or rare staples that help ease the loss of buying packs, and it still gives reasons to buy booster boxes on every level. Vendors will get tons of staples to sell, plus lottery cards. Lower level players will get occasional lottery cards that make them feel great buying packs, and can trade them for lots of the staples, and higher-level foil hunters have cards to hunt for!
I'm going a bit against what you said, the amount of product certainly has something to do with the amount they're selling.
I'm a collector of YGO as well as a player and if they would bring 1 set every 2-3 months it would be more sustainable to keep up financially.
€120 (2 boxes) every 2 weeks (as it is now) is €720 over a course of 3 months, that's not doable for a "normal" wage person with kids.
Hence, i only collect the core sets/SD's and tins (btw, i liked the old style of tins better. 1 promo card and the rest where packs from sets released between this tin and the previous one). will also be buying the 25th collectors set though as the exception.
Another problem is the time between release from OCG and TCG, TCG-players know what's coming months prior to the actual release (and more often than not even 2-3 sets prior to the next release we're getting) so we can carefully decide which sets are going to be worth our €/$/£/... and just buy the singles we need from the other sets.
Buying sealed products just is not worth it the pull rates are bad it just a bunch of garbage bulk
Konami should FINALLY incorporate Draft Format with each set. As design sets to be draft-able. In thus, creating a new competitive format.
We used to do it with DB1 back in the day. It was probably an accident that DB1 is a good Draft set. Look at DB1 card list and the meta at the time 🧠
16:99 Distributors don’t sell to online-only vendors; you must have a physical store.