I Try WH40K Rogue Trader after 300+Hours in Baldurs Gate 3
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- That's kinda review + my feelings about new warhammer 40000 game that named rogue trader after i basically got every achievement in BG3 (Baldurs gate 3)
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0:00 Intro
0:15 warhammer 40k rogue trader character creation
5:25 character creation vs BG3
6:10 Game start and Tutorials
8:20 Combat
10:55 BG3 vs Rogue Trader DIALOGUES
12:00 LVL UP
13:30 Magic
14:15 Combat vs BG3
15:30 End ?
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Rogue trader is awesome and you can tell Owlcat really did their research on the lore.
I understand that Rogue Trader won't be for everyone since Baldur's Gate is much more main stream friendly. Baldur's Gate 3 is like watching football, betting on it, and maybe playing weekend fantasty football or a season chill league. Rogue Trader would be like playing a dynasty league for money where you play defensive players as well. Both are great and fun experiences but one is far harder to get into.
I made the joke that it took me awhile to make my 4 chars for Solasta because at the time I never played D&D 5E. Making a character for Baldur's Gate 3 took no time at all since I've played 5E now, played a lot of Solasta, and it's just 1 character. The joke is that you need a doctorate to make a character in Rogue Trader as it takes a lot more time if you want to know what everything does. I bought both of Owlcat's Pathfinder games but never finished making a character and I might not of even started Rogue Galaxy if it wasn't for my love of the Warhammer 40k world.
My friend wants Obsidian to take over Baldur's Gate series but im hoping Owlcat takes it. That is if they can continue making Warhammer 40k games as well.
I'm seriously addicted to RT...loved BG3 and love RT. If Owlcat had the time and budget, with full VO, then RT would be the greatest CRPG ever
Well, like I said elsewhere, if it had been fully voiced, the cost would have skyrocketed and THEN it is very unlikely it would have had all the dynamic range of player choices it does.
Since Player Agency is thde most important feature that defines an RPG, and that's the kind of game they wanted to make, with their limited budget, Owlcat made the correct choice.
On a side issue though, one thing that would not be expensive today, would be easy to implement and I am positive would increase immersion, would be to use A.I. in the VO.
Specifically, copy the Voice Actor's voice, then use A.I. to speak the player's custom name. Imagine how cool that would be! It's always just tad off-putting when you read the dialogue that has your name, but the actor does not say it.
Buying a cRPG and complain about having to read texts is like buying a book and complain that its not good cause you actually can't read.
What you daid makes no sense. Not everyone cares about the lore enough to put up with this. Thankfully I'm one of those who absolutely love lore and happen to have time. People who do not have time or don't really enjoy reading lore dump after lore dump conversations are the NORM, its not about reading "skill" its about entertainment, and some people just don't play video games to read a short novella every time they load a save. This game is a gem, but its not for everyone.
@@ombra711 You always can just not buy it then? I don't get it. If there is too much text for you thats fine, not every game is for everyone and thats fine. If you don't have time for a hobby than don't engage with it. If you play a game I assume you have time since how else would you be able to play a game?
@ombra711 this game is not for those people. It's as simple as that. Not everything has to cater for everyone.
@@ombra711 Found the illiterate person
@@ombra711 right. So this is a game for people who like immersion and warhammer lore. That's fine. I actually love that design choice. When you try and make things that appeal to the lowest common denominator, you end up with steaming piles of corporate garbage.
I'm sorry you don't like to read. As you obviously found out, though a great deal of the game IS spoken there is a tremendously higher percentage that isn't.
The one comment I wanted to make about this, is that, the harsh reality of economics means that if you want an RPG that can actually BE a true RPG, you must cut back on hiring voice actors, or be prepared to make a VERY expensive game. Since the defining characteristic of RPG's IS Player Agency, meaning it's the job of the Gamemaster to create a world that the player then tells their own story THROUGH, if you're not doing that, you're not making an RPG. Like the 'Diablo' series. They have the external trappings of an RPG, but there is zero effective choice.
Baldur's Gate, good as it is, basically proves the point- It was, by far, the most expensive game Larian has yet made. Imagine the incredibly fluid and open experience it would have been if it had been mostly text.
It sounds like Baldur's Gate was your first introduction to CRPGs. Honestly, I think that game stands above your normal experience with CRPGs. Most don't have full voice acting, and a TON of read dialogue. Plus Abilities are verbose yes, because it's a rule heavy game. 5th Edition is less rule heavy, but Larian did a good job of making things easier to understand.
However this is Owlcat. Their games are rule intensive based on the TTPG it comes from. Rogue Trader is a d100 system, so a lot of percentages. Plus it doesn't even stick to the TTRPG very closely. It made, honestly, some good changes in simplifying some rules, but also took out a lot of the character customization as to not overwhelm people (so many backgrounds, homeworlds, character types, etc removed).
If you try out Kingmaker or Wrath of the Righteous, your experience will be much the same. Those two games are based on Pathfinder 1st edition, which is Paizo's take on the d20 Open Rules system, which defined DnD 3rd/3.5 edition. (Pathfinder is based on the latter). It's very rules heavy, a lot of classes, backgrounds, gods, etc that make up your character. It has a slightly deeper character customization in terms of looks, but several races like BG3 make it a deeper customization than Rogue Trader.
If you try your hand at BG 1 & 2, you'll find the experience much the same as here (just it's only RTWP, no turn based mode), and most CRPGs. BG3 is the exception, not the rule. Though I do hope more follow Larian's footsteps with BG3 (Divinity Original Sins 1 and 2 are also more akin to your regular CRPG experience)
Also I almost tore my eyes out when you skipped dialogue...
Oh and to note, BG3 works on an action point system as well. Action, bonus actions, and movement. As in all CRPGs, action economy is important, and needs to be thought about. AND on the note about Magic... if you use too much without having anything reduce your Veil... you end up summoning Chaos Spawn. So you can't just go willy nilly with your Psyker powers, else you're gonna have a bad time.
It's not first, but i'm ex-pro Starcraft 2 player :) We playing DND every now and then with bro and sis btw :) So yeah, for me mindless button mashing is normal condition, and bg3 is definetly is a gem in genre. So thats why i guess best way to say about WH40k.RT "not for everyone". Still im enjoying it now few hours every now and then ;) And will definetly beat it. After it i want to try pathfinder, guess from the same studio, but in more dnd setting
@@TheSpudKing yeah, I agree with the end sentiment that it's not for everyone. I would say that especially about CRPGs in general. And as a huge 40k fan, it is a very good primer for the universe, and really does capture the grim darkness of it.
It's also good to know you're familiar with DnD. I feel that, even though very heavy reading is involved, Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous are going to be in your wheel house. And yes it is the same studio, so you can expect a fairly faithful translation of the rules and adventure paths those games are based on.
@@mitchelcacciola8055 For me its been everything I wanted. I played the shadow run game a while back and was like damn I really want this like turn based rpg but more futurstic setting than fantasy. But those games were so short and this come along with depth I wanted.
@@RexZShadow it's so fucking good. I stopped playing Baldur's Gate 3 in favour of Rogue Trader
no option to use your lower deck of your voidships to breed genestealers and use them in combat..
xD yeah 🤣 they so much live on their own
Welcome to the world of 40k. I've been playing / reading / enjoying it since 1990. You're gonna love it's deeeeep lore. Have fun!
what lore ? it is stupid and childish lore designed to appeal to edgy kids
Shame you're unaware of the real stuff opposed to the surface level standard. Maybe you'll find the multitude of sources available one day. Good luck to you.@@lufasumafalu5069
@@lufasumafalu5069 Uhuh sure
I am glad there is no crazy colors for humans in a warhammer game
What is wrong with you? Why are you blue? Warp corruption I guess. Your execution date is today! I mean now!
B-but Comissa- *head blowing sounds*
Mmm yeah, owlcats rpgs. I remember I died multiple times in my play through in pathfinder even though I haven’t even created a character yet.
xD
Both games are fantastic is just for different tastes. Great video btw
friendly fire is real here :)
I want to play this but I'm always intimidated by Owl Cat crpgs. Pathfinder was so confusing for my small brain, i couldn't get into it lol
Played for 10hr. Total, and i probably will jump back and finish my bg3 challenges))) its kinda fine, and i got used to it in about ~5hr, but there is just too much text and numbers. And it was somewhat hard in beginning, but when my team leveled, its starteed to be a lot easier, still im chilling on NORMAL and i guess it would be alot more challenging on hard, but i just don't want to read 300 perks for every class to design "best" :)
I was hesitant to play Rogue Trader after being intimidated by Pathfinder and also finding BG3 too complex, but i have to say it is by far the most accessible CRPG i've played. You don't have to look up guides for anything, you can just do what you think makes sense which is awesome. (currently 20 hours in)
the tutorial is really helpful
@@Vampireknigh Pathfinder is much the same. You can do what makes sense to you and your character. That's what CRPGs are all about. You, and the story, and your role within the world. Build guides you see online are all about Min-Maxing. Which you can very much do here as well, or any CRPG. But you don't have to min-max to beat the game or even have a good time.
Прошу прощения за русский язык у меня 9 утра и мне лень сейчас напрягать мозг, вспоминая английскую грамматику. Вы не поверите насколько патфайндеры просты на сложности Core и ниже. Все что вам надо знать, это цифры Атаки и Защиты. Обычные Атаки сравниваются с Обычной защитой. Атаки Касанием сравниваются с Защитой Касания, а обладают такими атаками - заклинания типа Ray. Атаки Исподтишка - Это Защита Врасплох. Все! Танкам растите Защиту, Damage dealer must increase Атаку, Маги упарываются в Уровневый контроль "Паутина, Лужа Масла, Обсидиановые лужи, Смех и прочее". Если хотите от мага урон, качайте его в Магического Трикстера и повышайте Атаку Касанием.
Все. Банальная Гонка Атак и Защит.
Не а SaveThrows... что вам непонятно? Есть спелы, которые бьют по Реакции, Стойкости и Воле. Чем выше циферка этих 3х показателей, чем выше шанс отразить эффект спелла, который бьет по этим показателям. Так как Совокоты перенесли настолку напрямую (тупость), то против демонов практически бесполезны спеллы, которые проверяют Стойкость. У них она от природа высокая.
Гонка циферек. Прошел на сложности Core без пошага все бои. Игру просто стоит один раз понять. Врата Балдура 1,2 так то сложнее чем это, а там я частенько в детстве хотел пошаг. Тут же столько сражений, что нафиг пошаг в Патфайндере. Враги из каждой щели лезут
99% of crpg’s will be more like rogue trader than bg3. That game is an absolute anomaly and ridiculously expensive to make. I think goinh forward we should stop trying to compare every crpg to baldurs gate 3 because most of them will not have thousands of fully voice acted cinematic cutscenes because they are just so damn expensive to make. If people are looking for choice based rpgs with bg3 level of cinematics and choice then maybe go for more action rpg’s like the witcher 3. Hell even in that genre it’s not necessarily the norm look at any bethesda game they have no cutscenes whatsoever. Another comparison i could make is arpg’s. Most of them are also text based and story isn’t even the focus there either. There’s a few exceptions like diablo 4 or wolcen which has cutscenes like most other aaa narrative games but it’s not the norm.
I can understand someone not liking the game. But I hate the comparison to Bg3. It's like comparing a Rolls-Royce to a Ford Focus.
Same genre, same year release, why not, alot of people that is new to CRPG would probably think about it after BG3
@@TheSpudKing in some ways I can see what you are saying. But Bg3 is an anomaly in CRPGs. There has never been anything like it before and with its release there probably won't ever be something like it again. The cost of it is just to high. I can understand comparing mechanics and gameplay but the way the story tells itself can't be compared and it should be stressed that what rogue trader does is the normal way CRPGs are. Most CRPGs, as is in like 99%, are overly descriptive and reading heavy. It should be said you more then likely won't find a game like Bg3.
This two games are totally different but both great , no need to compare them like that, better compare PoE and Diablo 4 or 3
I feel like if this guy reviewed books, he'd compare a fantasy comic to a fantasy novel and complain that there were two many words in the novel, and not enough pictures. Nothing wrong with comics, I think they are equal to books as an art form, but comparing them like to like is nonsense
@@LordBilliam 💯% right , this two games are great and even wanted to take 3 days off from work to play Rogue trader but it's busy time now in my hotel and unfortunately need to wait until January 😔
I never played the genre until i played bg3 which is amazing. I played an hour of rogue trader which was cool but combat felt really, really slow compared to bg3, reading the lore was fine but the lack of voice acting was enough for me to refund it as the dialogue was drawn out.
I loved the darker theme and really wanted to enjoy it but its like playing a game at 30 fps compared to 60 fps (i was getting on avg 130 on max settings).
That's a pity, RT really is a better game, or at the very least, deserves a playthrpigh
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You just gotta get the hang of builds then combat can be over in a single round everytime.
You should really give it another shot!
i have ZERO DnD knowledge but i can play BG3 and enjoy it.. i have no WH40k TTRPG experience and RT give me headache and wall of text info bfr even starting game
Yeah, great point, and by just making beginning faster, it would be far more enjoyable game in my opinion. I read all books and letters after first act of bg3 , but i didn't want to do it in act 1 when im starting
Rogue Trader is much better than BG3. Also dialogue and story is much better than in BG3.
Thanks for the video. Hard to get honest info on Rogue Trader. There's a lot of Warhammer fanboys so you hear a lot of bias.
I have 300 plus in act one of bg3. Both games are great. It’s kinda like bg3 is Diablo 4 and Rouge Trader is Poe.
💯 😂😂
This is a cool game and you can have a lot of fun...but you cant compare it to bg3 lol. BG3 is a once a decade type game...nothing is gonna compare to it favorably 😂. Just enjoy this for what it is
Yeah, its nice, but actually a little bit of tempo in beginning is always not bad, it helps to dive into faster :) But im chill in it hour a day, and its preety cool
You as always are the most amazing person in your videos and reviews , you made my bg3 experience amazing with your videos, this video was perfect
Im so glad to be helpful 🙏😊
Serioously love this game 10x more then BG3. I am a warhammerfan boys and i just couldnt get into the lore and world of BG3. I get the wall of text critisim, but i reas lots of 40k books, so it kinda just felt like i was reading a good 40k book with gameplay in between lol
nice , this game is at max 14.99 $ and not in the same class as Bg3
@@lufasumafalu5069 Absolutely not. Its just not a game for you
It's so sad many players who like Role Playing Games to be lazy as f... to read. This game have rly good story and they miss it just because they dont like to read? How role playing player wont like ready? Its oxymoron :-D I know this game have huge chunk of text and relative hard text but it is nice and imersive like hell. Then dont be lazy and read some nice story, just like book.
I like story :) but for me its just a bit tooo much
Rogue trader reminds me a lot of the early fallout games. Brutal
Emmm... this is CRPG. Not action rpg. Dialogue is a whole point of such type of games (but i guess, people get dummer and dummer with each next generation. Now it already hard for them to read)
Bro chill, touch some grass
are u the example of this dumb and dumber generation kid ?
Dumber and dumber* are you dumb?!
its not on the same level as baldurs gate 3 but its definitly a good game if you want a scifi/highfantasy rpg
It's good ! Too niched down to really CRPG , preety much as other owl games :) So thats kinda main point, everything is cool if you like deep character creation/building and turn based classic RPGs, but if yiu wanna try it after BG3 , it will be completely different experience
it is safe to say DnD lore is acceptable to all ages while WH40k is only for edgy kids who think oversized armor is cool..
yeap , tried RT again and again and it is so annoying compared to BG3
Yeah, im kinda playing one level per week, probably will beat it in next year, its cool, but gets me.tired quickly :(
@@TheSpudKing this game dont hold by attention tbh , it is like a chose to play .. it is truly waste of money for me..
Man I rarely dislike videos. This one is one of them. Why do you skip all the lore. If you want to play a action game go play something else. This was a big waste of time.
He says it is because he does not like to read...but it seems more that his brains melt if something is longer than a tweet.
"I don't like to read a lot"
That's why this generation is lost.
Im preety old btw xD I just like multitasking and listen/watch info
@@TheSpudKing Young or Old makes no difference.
Not liking reading has nothing to do with multitaskin but more with the inability to focus on something and to understand things yourself.
I have preformance problem amd incredible suthering
I like the game, but goddamn is it difficult playing this as a dyslexic It gives some pretty bad headaches
Sometimes I see how long a paragraph is and I just shutter in frustration and skip it knowing is probably important I don’t like to do that but I have to sometimes for my own sake
just use glasses to read omg
@@lufasumafalu5069 that’s not how that works and I do wear glasses I think you’re confusing bad vision with disability that makes it very difficult for you to read
You should read more.
Ha ha ha. The problem is not the Rogue Trader. The problem is that after Baldru's Gate 3, the rest of the games feel outdated. But really, BG3 is just too good! And I personally like Rogue Trader for its meditative essence. I'm not so much playing as reading a book with chapter animations XD
meh
Too sad, I like 40k universe but I can't read a game more than I play it... Pathfinder WOTR was pleasant because dialogues didn't have walls and walls of uninteresting exposition text (I hated Pillars of Eternity for that reason)
I THINK OWLCAT RUSH THIS GAME TO RIDE ON BG3 POPULARITY. I AM TRICKED TO BUYING THIS GAME AS MANY REVIEWER CLAIM THIS IS AS GOOD AS BG3.. THIS IS THE MOST HONEST REVIEW ..
sooo... you're a lazy casual.... it's ok..... don't play the game
Game is fine :)
@@TheSpudKing game is very good, buggy right now but I agree it could have used a bit more voice acting as it gets tiresome after a while especially if you are new to the 40k universe
Rogue Trader so disappointing after BG3
I was disappointing with how easy bg3 is so...
@@melodiasrojas8428 edgy kid lol go home
I do not like to read.
well then crpgs are not for you. BG 3 is the only with full on VC. for that they gave up any consequence and made the story linear. I knew that with bg 3 we will get a ton of normies into the scene who know jack shit about the core of the genre.
yall would have DIED in the planescape torment days.
this is so overrated , the whole lore is designed for edgy teen so disgusting , unlike BG3
Or just you know... Just not for you.
@@melodiasrojas8428 hi edgy teen
@@lufasumafalu5069 hi immature adult
@@lufasumafalu5069 Dawgs commented 18 times. No one cares you don't like it. Baldurs Gate is for men who wear dresses.
Sad to say that Rogue trader goes back to everything that made CRPGs soo niche and for just very small group of players. The production value is also only fraction of what you get with BG3. No Animations is ok. But less than 40% of the game is voice acted and the text dialogs - while having more options do not REALLY make more variety in the outcome. And considering all this - Owlcat is still charging players 49.99 - just 10 dollars less than a game that offered huge production value like BG3.
For me - this is quite simple. 40% voice acting means I will wait for AT LEAST 60% discount. It's that simple. Owlcat games sadly failed to deliver and continue the revival of Crpg genre.
Yeah, kinda same feeling, i will go through it one time probably, but i don't want to dive too deep. Stories and quests is interesting and atmospheric but... As you said, less options+voice over would be great for me ☺️
Maybe its because Larian Studios are more than 100% bigger than Owlcat Games (over 300 employees Vs. 120 Employees) and had a very, very significant higher budget.. you know... to pay Voice Actors. Baldur's Gate also was in Early Access for 3 years.
Ridiculous logic. A game of this depth for 50$ is a bargain. It's cheaper than a meal at McDonald's for a family of 4. People actually complaining about reading in a cRPG is just a sad state of affairs.
@@MTLGSE Family of 4 needs to eat. Family of 4 does not need a CRPG. So lets call that out as the ridiculous logic it really is. I'm an old guy that reads alot and played all the golden age games back when they were released. But even I know that telling a story in 2023 in a computer game -- will never been done with 50.000 - 100.000 words without proper voice acting. It simply does not work. And we see the reviews and the lack of interest for exactly this reason. The genre needs to move on.
@@endymionsrage Agree - but then... why are Owlcat games charging this much for a game with much lower production value? And I do not buy this talk about deep game. The real value of gaming is to create something that players enjoy. And lets be fair. Their last game in WTOR has more bad builds possible than good. Some ppl think they are smart when they find the better ones. But most players just don't buy another Owlcat game ever again. And that's the reason Larian can make their next game without kickstarter - While Owlcat needs even bigger payments from the few that bother with their games.