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I swear for just a second when I heard that Phil Collins “axed” Paul McCartney, it flashed through my mind that this must be more serious than I imagined.
@@rctopfueler2841 Being from Eastern KY I heard relics of Elizabethan and Jacobean English while growing up. So I’m not questioning their validity. My grandmother used the word “axed” for “asked.” I’m just saying that I wasn’t paying much attention and for a split second I truly thought the worst. That’s all. This may be a forum where standard English phraseology would be preferable. Or not for all I know. That’s another discussion I guess.
The real Paul McCartney died in 1966 and was replaced by Billy. Billy probably has difficulty signing with his left hand and making it look like Paul McCartney's signature. Maybe he does those type of signatures in his home, etc. with his right hand. Also, Billy knows that he was not in the Beatles when the album Phil wanted him to sign was recorded. Maybe if Phil had asked Billy to sign an album from Sgt. Peppers on or a Wings album or a Paul McCartney (Billy) solo album, the response might have been different.
Absolutely. Collins isn't just a fucking awful performer and cliched songwriter, going by his ridiculous _"fuck you, fuck you"_ reaction, he's a prick.
From other articles I read that Paul's cheekiness rubs people the wrong way that's why he wasn't included in the voices on Dark side of the moon cause when he was asked questions he was being cheeky and not taking anything serious roger waters left his recorded response out of the album
@@robgilmartin6892 I heard the story went that after Fill ate the sangwich, he shouted "These Pretzel's Are Making Me Thirsty"... (I could be wrong on that, though)
I thought Paul's comment was hilarious. I think Paul was being totally tongue in cheek and a I don't know why why Phil took it so seriously. In a way Paul was probably suprised that someone with Phils musical stature would come up to him like any regular fan.
It's just standard cheeky "beatles" humour. Basically the same humour a lot of guys everywhere have when joking with each other. Collins sounds like a delicate flower lol
@@poocrayon4588 Delicate flower, monster drummer, i guess the North and South humour differs somewhat, those cheeky Scousers and the toffee nosed southerners are different breeds lol...Love them both btw, both legends.
@@naj_zIt's not that they're brain dead, it's that it's mostly Americans replying and they honestly don't understand banter 😂 They see banter as rudeness and dislike rather than us Brits who know it's warmth.
Its not. Phil knows like a lot of other rock stars , that the real Paul is dead. He worked on george martins final album. Why? He sings golden slumbers and carry that weight to probably get back at Faul. Haha. Go watch georges making of the album on here. Very revealing.
This is so blown up. I don't believe the reason they don't communicate with each other is because of this silly incident. I'm sure they've long gotten over this. They're both kept busy, and with Collins' health issues, I'm sure he has more important things on his mind.
It’s very possible. There are a lot of A list rock musicians from back then that cannot stand Phil Collins. It’s all very similar to how fellow musicians view the Eagles.
Paul was the one who found out how to manipulate the tape machine to make loops by removing the eraser head. He then brought the loops in a bag and suggested the others also make some for the song. Most of the ones used were Paul’s but the others do have loops on the song. What matters though is the song wouldn’t be the influential song it is today with Paul
Eric Clapton partied with Collins during the making of the album and played on many tracks including TOMMOROW NEVER KNOWS.Being a friend and collaborator with all the BEATLES,I'm sure there is no serious amnocity between them and its just a joke .Also PHIL attended a BEATLES concert that was being filmed for use in A HARD DAYS NIGHT and was immortalized when he was included in a crowd shot that made the final cut.If ya look you will see a teenage COLLINS in the audience with considerably more hair!
There is a story about how a VERY young Phil Collins appeared on a George album that never made the cut. George got him years late with what might have been the best prank in the history of the world. He got another drummer to do a hideous job in a recreation of it and then passed it off as Collins' work.
Clapton and McCartney are not friends Jym, they are "aqauntancies". Paul thinks this is because Clapton was great friends with George after the Beatles split and took his side in the dispute. The disharmony between Paul and George ran deep for many years.
I just checked his rendition of "Tomorrow never knows" and I do like it. Gave me a flashback cause I remember the first time I heard that song was Phill's version and it was quite a spectacle to the ears listening with a Walkman being around 10 y/o. If you compare them side by side they don't differ that much, if any in the sonic content of the song so is not like Phil recomposed it, he merely made a cover trying to bring the same elements in his way.
The fact that when Phil approached Paul, Heather Mills was there might provide some clue to Paul's rather uncharacteristic response. Heather reportedly had little time for Paul's social circle, famous or otherwise, and Paul wasn't always the happy gregarious musician of old around that period.
@@glendalangley1877 Three of the four Beatles were known for physically being abusive to their women. The brutal violence inflicted upon their spouses and other family members is deeply disturbing, especially when focusing on John Lennon. Still, there are no credible allegations of George Harrison being like that, but his wife Patti Boyd did wind up leaving him for fellow musician and friend, Eric Clapton. The one legged blonde, Heather Mills claims that Paul McCartney regularly beat the plain looking Linda Eastern daily through out their long marriage. If you look back at the many clips and photographs of Linda McCartney over the years, you can clearly see she was an abused, tormented woman that was forced to endure unspeakable violence, behind closed doors. When she suddenly died of breast cancer in the nineties, her body wasn't even cold before McCartney was seeing the much younger, Heather Mills.
Idk, I like Phil, but I think he was a little over sensitive. Unless Paul had a very nasty tone and look in his eyes when he said it, it sounds more like light hearted friendly banter to me. This speaks more to Phil having an arrogant attitude problem than Paul.
Never meet your heroes. When they turn out to be asses not only to you lose someone who inspires you but you feel like an idiot for having looked up to them in the first place. Phil probably doesn't want Paul's autograph anymore. And, the thing is that it is an impossible situation for Paul. I'm sure Paul didn't mean anything by it but such a moment to a fan is so amplified, whether it is Phil Collins or any of us, that it is easy to overreact. However, that is just as bad because when you lionize people it becomes disappointing when you realize they are mere mortals just like you are.
I imagine it was a bit of a shock for Paul to have Phil ask such a question. Perhaps it was one he wasn't ready for. Maybe Phil didn't stop to think that signing an autograph was the last thing he wanted to do, especially on an album from that long ago from better days when his other " brothers" were alive and they were all getting along. I can only imagine the emotional traumas Paul deals with from the past, the strain of always being in the public eye, people wanting autographs. Maybe, just maybe he wanted to be treated or would like to be treated like a normal human being..no autographs please!
There’s a story here in Scotland, which may or may not be true, that Collins after buying that land in Scotland, just after releasing Another Day In Paradise then having people who lived on the land evicted, walked into the local pub, the only one for miles, and instantly the owner barman said “your barred”, “don’t you know who I am?” responded Collins, “I, get out, your barred.”
Probably true Alex. In the 70s, three members of Genesis (including Collins), bough a small street of houses in rural England. they just left it to rot. They buy it for investment / tax purposes and give no thought to the local environment.
In the 1980s, Phil Collins was a hitmaker known for chart topping divorce ballads inspired by the fallout of his first marriage while Paul McCartney collaberated with Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson among others. In the words from "Silly Love Songs", what's wrong with that.
Paul Mccartney is well known to be liked by most of his peers, as well as fans who have met him. I hardly have ever read about a negative encounter from people who have met him. No matter what, there are going to be people that simply do not take to you. Just the way it is.
He treated Ozzy Osbourne a bit dismissively as well, when they met puublicly on camera.Paul didn't know he was going to be there, but Ozzy wwas perfectly amiable and had never met Paul before and was excited. I don't think this is so far-fetched
@@Rowlph8888 but that was pretty much my point. I don't deny Mr. Collins truth, just that many, many people and celebrities love Paul. It's ok to be disliked by someone when the majority generally likes you. We can't be loved by everyone.
Phil you made good music but none of it truly outlived the 80s. Paul's got nuggets that will live for a hundred years if not longer. Phil lighten up!!!!!!
hasn't everyone said something they should not have at some point? even if mccartney was being mean, it is far worse to nurse this along for years as being such a big deal. life is too short.
I think Paul was channeling a smarmy John Lennon there, just like I often imitate my best friend. Lennon made fun of the Beatles' fame for many years after their breakup because, to him, fans hung on to Beatlemania when they should have been moving on to world peace and other causes he believed in.
The real Paul never acted like such a jerk. But imposter Paul is not very nice. Maybe he wouldn't sign the album because that album was before the real Paul died.
I think we all missed the Band On The Run reference. He said something about 'is holding a grudge for that long justified. You'll have to judge.' Whereas Paul says, "And the county judge, who held a grudge..."
@@roxannemoser Making a fortune singing about hoseless people and a few years later saying that you would leave the country if Labour won the election in protest at having to pay more tax. Nice guy.
It would appear Paul wanted to address the fact that Phil's success might never have happened if it had not been for the fact the Beatles opened the door for so any musicains and for whatever reason he took the opportunity to let him know it ! "Little Phil"wow !
Phil was certainly not the first whom Paul was a jerk towards. For example, his constant criticism of Ringo during the recording of "Back in the USSR" drove Ringo to quit the Beatles... albeit temporarily. John and George persuaded him to re-join, but it was actually Paul who played drums for the recording of that song.
@@FRN2013hat’s not what Ringo says about the situation but even if it is true it doesn’t really make Paul look bad. Paul came up with many of the Beatles drum patterns so he was just trying to direct Ringo on what to play like he had done many times before. Ringo says he just wasn’t feeling connected to everyone so he quit. I doubt Paul directing him like he had always done was the reason for leaving
Many sources say Paul was criticizing, not directing. And many sources say George and John persuaded Ringo to come back. I wasn't there. I'm just going by what those sources say. What's your source?
McCartney’s comment sounds like a joke that was musunderstood. Then again Phil’s ”angry” comment sounds like a joke to me as well. Phil does not seem that touchy in general. Maybe he would be pissed off for a while but holding a grudge for years and years… nah. Anyhow, I would not mind been patronized by Paul or Phil myself😉😎 Neither of them even knows or cares I exist
Being a fan... And being a fan that collects things as a hobby... When I hear that someone brings a unique 1St Edition and has the honor to possibly having it signed by one of the books subjects... Tells the strong admiration and love of the fan... But stepping back and hearing the reaction... It's painfully clear to me what happened and why it's actually a very tragic set of circumstances... It was Paul... Whether anyone from outside could ever really understand, the break up of the Beatles for Paul - turned that side of Paul's life - into sharp moments of pain and anger... In hindsight, had anyone advised Phil to NOT introduce the book... Things from that point on... Would be different, for sure... Because Phil was hit by a reaction to things he was never apart of... Paul wasn't able process the matter to begin with, which is the wrench from very start... Things... Control to much... Shapes from the present shaped by the past that in turn shape the future... Locking hurt both in and away... Which is how this chance event sparked like it did...
Yes, and Paul was married to the bitch Heather Mills at the time. He dealt with depression after the Beatles broke up and Linda pulled him out of it. When she died, he again fell into a deep depression. He fell for Heather because he was really vulnerable. Even though Stella warned him (and probably his other kids) that she was bad news, he married her anyway. Some men just cannot be alone. I've seen it happen more often with guys than women. Guys don't have the larger support network women do, for the most part. I hate to generalize but it is something I've seen over my six decades on this Earth. Paul was in a bad mood, obviously. Phil should forgive and try to forget because grudges just hurt the one holding them.
@@travels129no he just didn’t want to. Paul has become friendly with Stern but he has every right to be angry with him if he wanted. Howard used to talk so much shit, especially about Linda. I’m surprised Paul has been on his show so much
@@fordblue609 Well yes, it could easily be a racist comment, what with "axed" for "asked" being predominantly common to black people. But it's not necessarily racist. Like me, the guy might simply dislike the English language being used incorrectly.
That's strange, since a lot of other British Rock Stars are also Beatles fans - and, in the Ozzie Osbourne Documentary, I've seen Ozzie (a HUGE Beatles fan) getting Paul McCartney to sign his Beatles Album. Paul was very gracious. Lemmy from Motorhead was also a massive Beatles fan - I don't think that Paul would be rude to Lemmy, if he knew what was good for him. Phil Collins seems a bit Over-Sensitive.
Both are great musicians in their own right, from two legendary bands. You can tell from Collins' solo album covers, he has a relatively healthy ego lol. For him to tuck tail and ask for a autograph is a big deal. Unfortunately, Paul apparently took a moment that he decided not to be so humble and gracious, but instead flexed his ego. It's a shame, but that's how these things go sometimes. I still enjoy both of their music. Paul will always be my favorite Beatle!
Or Phil blew it way out of proportion and Paul was joking. For Phil to be so upset over something so minor and to hold a grudge all these years shows who was the real asshole
Height: Paul McCartney: 5 feet 11 inches (almost 2 meters) Phil Collins: 5 feet 6 inches (1.83 meters) Maybe Phil interpreted the comment as a snide remark about him being short. He also appears briefly on film as a member of the audience in A Hard Day's Night.
@@Artisan1.618 - it’s not aksed it’s ASKED ! I don’t care if you think axing instead of asking makes you appear more “ street” , it just makes you look a prat with a capital P !
Since Phil is only 5-6, is was a bit of an insult. But, we all sometimes on the spur of the moment, can say something stupid and regret it. Paul was probably feeling a little jovial, and it just came out. He did contact Phil and apologized, but apparently it wasn't enough. It sounds like Phil needs to forgive and forget, and move on.
If I had to guess, Paul was joking and didn't even remember the interaction until he heard about it in the press. I know, I've joked to someone, only to find they got upset over it. I guess Paul assumed that Phil being a big star himself would understand the joke. Playing amature psychiatrist, I would guess, because he was a Beatles fan as a kid, this felt like being crushed by his idol. Not really Paul's fault.
Phil cover of "Tomorrow Never Knows" is perfect. And his 'Over The Rainbow' sung so sweetly as a tribute to John is exquisite. Beyond Tasteful. It is a magnificent gesture of love.
Phil was certainly not the first whom Paul was a jerk towards. Paul's constant criticism of Ringo during the recording of "Back in the USSR" drove Ringo to quit the Beatles. John and George persuaded him to re-join, but it was actually Paul who played drums for the recording of that song.
@@FRN2013 Ringo denies this. Possibly it was a factor but Ringo blames how he was feeling shit and questioning his place in the band at the time. He says taking a quick holiday helped him recover and when he got back George made a fuss and Paul wrote a postcard saying that Ringo was the best drummer in the world (which he has since always repeated). He possibly just needed encouragement because he was having a bad day. These were the white album sessions, infamous for them all being in a particular bad mood at one point or another.
Um, I hate to inform you, but Paul is usually well lit. The Beatles were/are on drugs since the 1950s. Everything he has recorded he was stoned. The privelege of reading 25 books on The Beatles.
@@hellsjamfleas Good post Helen. Ringo did indeed a holiday. He took his two sons to the Med. They went on a ship tour. The tour guide spoke of the octopuses living below the sea. Inspired by this it became "Octopuses Garden". The other three Beatles actually sent Ringo a telegram saying he was the best drummer and they didn't want him to leave. The White Album sessions were very fraught for many reasons.
This is very much like a family feud. They are like two brothers who at one time had dated the same girl and each blames the other for her breaking up with them. Something harmless might have been said but it was blown entirely out of proportion because -- hey, superstars have fragile egos too!
This makes me think a little less of Phil Collins. His lyrics are so emotionally developed. McCartney says "little Phil" and Collins sees red? Who knows what "little Phil" even means. Of course McCartney just wants to move on. Does Paul strike you as an insecure man who maintains his ego looking down on the competition? What can he do but move on? I hate to say it, but it would be enabling to do anything else. "Little Phil" could mean anything until you know. Sorry, you don't get to see my cards. You folded. Be
@@aprilgosa5779 sure I have a right to judge, I can judge whoever I want. I don't know how a lot of people are feeling. A lot people don't know how they themselves are feeling. But I can see how they act and what follows because of it. This is very disappointing in the Phil Collins that I listen to.
@@aprilgosa5779 You're right though, see my change from "lot less" to "little less". You've got to know, even the video title "can't stand Paul McCartney" is a misrepresentation when you hear the story. And, the story could be made up. The picture a steal from somewhere else. Better sharpen your judgement, for lack of a better word. Who knows what's real anymore. Now the lyrics on an album, I'm pretty sure about those. John.
@@dhenderson1810 Yes, I guess that really bothers a man. My best childhood friend was obese, his story told a tremendous injury. I just don't see Paul as a cruel guy. It could as easily ment "I remember when you started and now we're (aren't they?) shoulder to shoulder. Maybe Phil was expecting some specific reaction he didn't get. Up till then Paul had been a hero. I know how my Uncle John was. Never meet your heroes. Not until you're ready.
I am thinking that sometime in the past, Cheesy Phil slighted Paul or the Beatles and when the time came to return McCartney put him in his place ten fold. Thanks Paul.
No misunderstanding. I have a McCartney diary for Q magazine written by himself in which he is equally rude and swears against the Bee Gees and Barry Gibb, who had nothing but praise ever. He also demanded Mick Jagger only came to his house, never other way around. He is a manipulative narcissist.
@@B.R.0101 Not really. I bought Band on the Run and Venus and Mars and didn't really like anything on them. Never bought any of his again; certainly not the dirge Mull of Kintyre and couldn't really drum up any excitement about We All Stand Together. Those two he did with Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder were dire. So, no, I didn't think much of his non-Beatle stuff.
@@trevorhoward7682 there are albums before band on the run and after venus and mars, btw he really wrote beautiful melodies like Junk and many other, probably personal tastes are soooo different but he kept on writing beautiful albums... Different tastes...
Phil Collins always reminded me of the little guy with the swirl on the front of the Campbell Soup can. I think Paul was totally joking, Maybe he was channeling his John Lennon response either or I think Phil Collins overreacted just a little bit.
Do you think this was just a misunderstanding?
No. I think there must be some kind of mistake
No Paul is full of himself and rude.i believe phil
No because I have heard of other nasty little quips from JPM to people
@@florenceferdinand4717 Woooooooosshhhhhhh!!!!!
Uhm no, he basically pulled off the same malarkey attitude towards Ozzie. To Ozzie!
That hurts.
I swear for just a second when I heard that Phil Collins “axed” Paul McCartney, it flashed through my mind that this must be more serious than I imagined.
I was just going to axe you that same thing.
axed is a acceptable form from old days but yep he said it
@@rctopfueler2841 Being from Eastern KY I heard relics of Elizabethan and Jacobean English while growing up. So I’m not questioning their validity.
My grandmother used the word “axed” for “asked.”
I’m just saying that I wasn’t paying much attention and for a split second I truly thought the worst. That’s all.
This may be a forum where standard English phraseology would be preferable. Or not for all I know. That’s another discussion I guess.
Yeah he sounds like a moron. Must be a diversity hire.
ha!.. I know ..sorry , couldn't get past the 'axes'.....
The truth is he’s asking Billy for Paul’s autograph.
that's why Billy got salty After all it was Billy who got Phil into his CLUB
Maybe Billy wouldn't sign because he's right handed?
The real Paul McCartney died in 1966 and was replaced by Billy. Billy probably has difficulty signing with his left hand and making it look like Paul McCartney's signature. Maybe he does those type of signatures in his home, etc. with his right hand. Also, Billy knows that he was not in the Beatles when the album Phil wanted him to sign was recorded. Maybe if Phil had asked Billy to sign an album from Sgt. Peppers on or a Wings album or a Paul McCartney (Billy) solo album, the response might have been different.
Eh, just sounds like Paul being cheeky. Doesn’t sound like it was meant to be an insult
Absolutely. Collins isn't just a fucking awful performer and cliched songwriter, going by his ridiculous _"fuck you, fuck you"_ reaction, he's a prick.
I agree
From other articles I read that Paul's cheekiness rubs people the wrong way that's why he wasn't included in the voices on Dark side of the moon cause when he was asked questions he was being cheeky and not taking anything serious roger waters left his recorded response out of the album
@@throwinheat9303 I'd like to hear that.
@@throwinheat9303 Roger Waters? Another total prick.
if he axed me for an autograph, he wouldn't have gotten one from me neither, cuz I'd be dead😆
Why axe why?
@@mantisjdg why not?
good point
Maybe everything would've been okay if Phil hadn't axed Paul for the autograph and just asked him for it instead.
Exactly! I hate when people axe me for anything
LOL, underrated comment!
Right after, Phil reportedly ate a sangwich
"Axe Me Why"... (early Beatles)
@@robgilmartin6892 I heard the story went that after Fill ate the sangwich, he shouted "These Pretzel's Are Making Me Thirsty"... (I could be wrong on that, though)
Fact-check: "Tomorrow Never Knows" was written by John Lennon, not Paul McCartney.
And Drums by Bernard Purdy
I thought Paul's comment was hilarious. I think Paul was being totally tongue in cheek and a I don't know why why Phil took it so seriously. In a way Paul was probably suprised that someone with Phils musical stature would come up to him like any regular fan.
It's just standard cheeky "beatles" humour. Basically the same humour a lot of guys everywhere have when joking with each other. Collins sounds like a delicate flower lol
@@poocrayon4588 At last! Someone who gets it. Typical Liverpool lads banter.The Beatles goaded each other like this constantly .
@@poocrayon4588 Delicate flower, monster drummer, i guess the North and South humour differs somewhat, those cheeky Scousers and the toffee nosed southerners are different breeds lol...Love them both btw, both legends.
Exactly!!!!!! Omg finally someone that has humor in the comments out here lol. Why is everyone so braindead here 😅
@@naj_zIt's not that they're brain dead, it's that it's mostly Americans replying and they honestly don't understand banter 😂 They see banter as rudeness and dislike rather than us Brits who know it's warmth.
Phil knows that William is not Paul McCartney.
that was the mistake He axed for "PAUL's" autograph
I would have to hear Paul say it but from the description it sounds like Paul was just making a little joke and that Phil was overly sensitive.
Thats exactly what it was. Paul thought it was an ongoing joke between them.
Its not. Phil knows like a lot of other rock stars , that the real Paul is dead. He worked on george martins final album. Why? He sings golden slumbers and carry that weight to probably get back at Faul. Haha. Go watch georges making of the album on here. Very revealing.
@@sloan957 Dead? Is he?
Phil is famous for being overly sensitive
Narrator: It's not "axed"--It"s "asked"- try it.
The narrator pronounced quite a few words weirdly...
There's nothing wrong with Phil Collins version. It's good.
This is so blown up. I don't believe the reason they don't communicate with each other is because of this silly incident. I'm sure they've long gotten over this. They're both kept busy, and with Collins' health issues, I'm sure he has more important things on his mind.
It’s very possible. There are a lot of A list rock musicians from back then that cannot stand Phil Collins. It’s all very similar to how fellow musicians view the Eagles.
Yeah like doing tours in wheelchairs how much money does he need?
@@LudiCrust. Which is odd considering Phil wrote all his material and did his own music even.
Agree. Phil has enough on his plate about worrying about something that happened years ago
First off, Phil's version is great. Second, it's not Paul's song, it's John's.
and George's
Paul was the one who found out how to manipulate the tape machine to make loops by removing the eraser head. He then brought the loops in a bag and suggested the others also make some for the song. Most of the ones used were Paul’s but the others do have loops on the song. What matters though is the song wouldn’t be the influential song it is today with Paul
Considering that McCartney was replaced by Billy Shears in 1967...of course Collins hates him.
Eric Clapton partied with Collins during the making of the album and played on many tracks including TOMMOROW NEVER KNOWS.Being a friend and collaborator with all the BEATLES,I'm sure there is no serious amnocity between them and its just a joke .Also PHIL attended a BEATLES concert that was being filmed for use in A HARD DAYS NIGHT and was immortalized when he was included in a crowd shot that made the final cut.If ya look you will see a teenage COLLINS in the audience with considerably more hair!
I think it could have been a joke because around that time Phil was playing together with Ringo and Paul on the concert “Tribute To George”
There is a story about how a VERY young Phil Collins appeared on a George album that never made the cut. George got him years late with what might have been the best prank in the history of the world. He got another drummer to do a hideous job in a recreation of it and then passed it off as Collins' work.
George Harrison and Eric Clapton had a huge falling out over their ex-wife.
A bit of serious "amnocity" goes a long way!
Clapton and McCartney are not friends Jym, they are "aqauntancies". Paul thinks this is because Clapton was great friends with George after the Beatles split and took his side in the dispute. The disharmony between Paul and George ran deep for many years.
3:17 John Lennon wrote "Tomorrow Never Know's" not McCartney. McCartney provided tape loops and played bass on it, but he didn't write it.
Spot on.
Yeah I noticed that error. It was not a McCartney song.
Lennon also added his own tape loops too.
@@user-michael77 That's true.
@@thecommission6662 a little fact that McCartney neglects to mention.
I just checked his rendition of "Tomorrow never knows" and I do like it. Gave me a flashback cause I remember the first time I heard that song was Phill's version and it was quite a spectacle to the ears listening with a Walkman being around 10 y/o. If you compare them side by side they don't differ that much, if any in the sonic content of the song so is not like Phil recomposed it, he merely made a cover trying to bring the same elements in his way.
It's really not that bad.
It's not my fave Beatles song, it's obviously drug-induced. LOL But you're right, it's a great rendition.
The only reason they referenced the ONE negative review, obviously, was for its shock value. I, too, checked it out, and it was just fine.
💙I recently heard Phil's, then re-listened to the Beatles. They're very similar, but I liked Phil's better.👍
Who did Phil Collins axe in order to get the autograph and was he ever arrested for that act of violence?
An axe in rocker lingo is an electric guitar
@@Richard-wp6ep I know, but in this context I think the word was meant to be'ask'.
Phil Collins had spoke highly of the Beatles but Paul is very arrogant. Little Phil?? Really?? Paul is a jerk
Billy has always been smug and arrogant Not like the original Paul at all look at how John and George disliked "PAUL" from Peppers on
Paul, “Phil, relax will you? I’m breakin your balls a little bit.”
Phil Collins, one of the most beloved musicians of the twentieth century? You've got to be kidding.
The fact that when Phil approached Paul, Heather Mills was there might provide some clue to Paul's rather uncharacteristic response. Heather reportedly had little time for Paul's social circle, famous or otherwise, and Paul wasn't always the happy gregarious musician of old around that period.
Look up some of Heather Mills videos. Paul treated her badly. She is terrified of him and for good reason.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Mills turned out to be an nasty, domineering piece of work.
Heather Mills got a LEG UP on little Phil?
@@glendalangley1877 😅😂😂😂😂
@@glendalangley1877 Three of the four Beatles were known for physically being abusive to their women. The brutal violence inflicted upon their spouses and other family members is deeply disturbing, especially when focusing on John Lennon. Still, there are no credible allegations of George Harrison being like that, but his wife Patti Boyd did wind up leaving him for fellow musician and friend, Eric Clapton. The one legged blonde, Heather Mills claims that Paul McCartney regularly beat the plain looking Linda Eastern daily through out their long marriage. If you look back at the many clips and photographs of Linda McCartney over the years, you can clearly see she was an abused, tormented woman that was forced to endure unspeakable violence, behind closed doors. When she suddenly died of breast cancer in the nineties, her body wasn't even cold before McCartney was seeing the much younger, Heather Mills.
Phil Collins knew Paul McCartney doesn't sign autographs. Arrogant of him to ask.
He does if you are nice and polite, as he is. Such a nice man.
Did he axe for an autograph or ask? Axed for an autograph would be a bit overkill.
It's Majik🧠
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Idk, I like Phil, but I think he was a little over sensitive. Unless Paul had a very nasty tone and look in his eyes when he said it, it sounds more like light hearted friendly banter to me. This speaks more to Phil having an arrogant attitude problem than Paul.
My same impression. Way too sensitive.
EXACTLY. Phil loves watching films of himself performing. Most are VERY uncomfortable watching themselves.
@The Terrence Reardon Podcast Thx for taking the time to give that perspective.
@@carblarson8868 Listen little one, you seem unqualified to comment.
@@linjicakonikon7666 And you are unqualified to tell me what I should think or say.
Never meet your heroes. When they turn out to be asses not only to you lose someone who inspires you but you feel like an idiot for having looked up to them in the first place. Phil probably doesn't want Paul's autograph anymore. And, the thing is that it is an impossible situation for Paul. I'm sure Paul didn't mean anything by it but such a moment to a fan is so amplified, whether it is Phil Collins or any of us, that it is easy to overreact. However, that is just as bad because when you lionize people it becomes disappointing when you realize they are mere mortals just like you are.
Met Paul many times, love him.
@Jean Lind Where have you met Paul and when you go to the next concert take me with you! 😆💕
I imagine it was a bit of a shock for Paul to have Phil ask such a question. Perhaps it was one he wasn't ready for. Maybe Phil didn't stop to think that signing an autograph was the last thing he wanted to do, especially on an album from that long ago from better days when his other " brothers" were alive and they were all getting along. I can only imagine the emotional traumas Paul deals with from the past, the strain of always being in the public eye, people wanting autographs. Maybe, just maybe he wanted to be treated or would like to be treated like a normal human being..no autographs please!
It’s not about meeting someone, its about stop making ideas on how someone is. Stop idealizing people
@@yom3r3ngu3s The Music Not the MYTH
Personally, I would never use the word “little” to describe someone shorter than myself, much less to their face
I like both of them even though they don’t get along.
It's allowed. I mean there is really no benefit to picking a side. If Phil were in better shape I would say take it to the Octagon,
There’s a story here in Scotland, which may or may not be true, that Collins after buying that land in Scotland, just after releasing Another Day In Paradise then having people who lived on the land evicted, walked into the local pub, the only one for miles, and instantly the owner barman said “your barred”, “don’t you know who I am?” responded Collins, “I, get out, your barred.”
Probably true Alex. In the 70s, three members of Genesis (including Collins), bough a small street of houses in rural England. they just left it to rot. They buy it for investment / tax purposes and give no thought to the local environment.
@@kennymilne6817 cheers Kenny
Why did he feel the need to evict the people that still lived there? That's pretty rotten
Should be spelled “Aye, get out”
1:10 "...but when Collins axed Paul McCartney to sign his first edition of The Beatles". Maybe this is the wrong way to request an autograph.
Exactly, how could anyone not understand Paul's response.He was lucky to survive, or maybe he didn't. and this is not the real Paul
Lot of dead bodies around ole Billy.@@Rowlph8888
I think axing folk is illegal now-a-days.
In the 1980s, Phil Collins was a hitmaker known for chart topping divorce ballads inspired by the fallout of his first marriage while Paul McCartney collaberated with Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson among others. In the words from "Silly Love Songs", what's wrong with that.
Phil is weird, He always struck me as a downer, a party pooper.
The stuff with his ex wife and her security is really damn weird
Paul Mccartney is well known to be liked by most of his peers, as well as fans who have met him. I hardly have ever read about a negative encounter from people who have met him. No matter what, there are going to be people that simply do not take to you. Just the way it is.
He treated Ozzy Osbourne a bit dismissively as well, when they met puublicly on camera.Paul didn't know he was going to be there, but Ozzy wwas perfectly amiable and had never met Paul before and was excited. I don't think this is so far-fetched
@@Rowlph8888 but that was pretty much my point. I don't deny Mr. Collins truth, just that many, many people and celebrities love Paul. It's ok to be disliked by someone when the majority generally likes you. We can't be loved by everyone.
@@Rowlph8888 That's cause OZZY disses Pappa Crowely in that song
@@sg-yq8pm examples, please?
@@sg-yq8pm Dave Grohl loves him. Good enough.
Did he say, "...the autograph he axed for"?
Phil's shallow music will soon be forgotten.
If leaving me is easy, is on the same level as, yesterday... love em both
Phil Who???
Clearly you have a shallow understanding of the man's music. Have you ever listened to early Genesis? Cheez.
This speaks of Phil more than Paul. Lighten up man.
Many of us can't stand Phil Collins. We was never really a rocker.
so what?
Peter Gabriel.
Neither were the Beatles, dumbass
Go Paul McCartney! I’ve met Paul & he is charming & has a way of making one feel important so I can’t accept this criticism of him.
Because Paul McCartney died in 1966 and Billy Shields stole his identity.
So he axed him to sign an album. Great voice dude but it’s asked. Sorry it’s just annoying to hear that pronounced that way
AXED
Phil played drums on Paul's 1986 "Press To Play" album. Just FYI.
Phil you made good music but none of it truly outlived the 80s. Paul's got nuggets that will live for a hundred years if not longer. Phil lighten up!!!!!!
Personally, I think Phil Collins' useless music significantly contributed to killing the 80s.
@@blackmore4 yeah his motown covers were awful
@@blackmore4 "All art is quite useless" - Oscar Wilde
@@GirlPlastix Of course, but some way more than others.
hasn't everyone said something they should not have at some point? even if mccartney was being mean, it is far worse to nurse this along for years as being such a big deal. life is too short.
I think Paul was channeling a smarmy John Lennon there, just like I often imitate my best friend. Lennon made fun of the Beatles' fame for many years after their breakup because, to him, fans hung on to Beatlemania when they should have been moving on to world peace and other causes he believed in.
John was a piece of shit. He talked peace and love when he couldnt show love to his own son Julian
After all these years, Collins axing McCartney is still my favourite scene from British Psycho.
The real Paul never acted like such a jerk. But imposter Paul is not very nice. Maybe he wouldn't sign the album because that album was before the real Paul died.
I think we all missed the Band On The Run reference. He said something about 'is holding a grudge for that long justified. You'll have to judge.' Whereas Paul says, "And the county judge, who held a grudge..."
I remember seeing the footage of that meeting.Paul was joking "British humour".
Phil surprisingly overreacted.
Apex Joe Phil Collins is also british though so that makes no sense to me
Exactly.That's why I was surprised he overreacted.
I agree with you. I doubt it's actually an issue now. Also, Phil is no angel.
@@markgigiel2722 Very true.Lol
It's easy to rip people when it isn't you, and you haven't walked a mile in their shoes
I once asked Yoko Ono for an autograph and she signed it John Lennon. pft..
I love Phil Collins his music lives on
His music is a bit rubbish.
Yep, especially his horrendous remake of You Can't Hurry Love. 🙄
@@bagofnails6692 I totally agree
I like Phil Collins also. He had some good dance songs.
@@roxannemoser Making a fortune singing about hoseless people and a few years later saying that you would leave the country if Labour won the election in protest at having to pay more tax. Nice guy.
It would appear Paul wanted to address the fact that Phil's success might never have happened if it had not been for the fact the Beatles opened the door for so any musicains and for whatever reason he took the opportunity to let him know it ! "Little Phil"wow !
Phil was certainly not the first whom Paul was a jerk towards. For example, his constant criticism of Ringo during the recording of "Back in the USSR" drove Ringo to quit the Beatles... albeit temporarily. John and George persuaded him to re-join, but it was actually Paul who played drums for the recording of that song.
@@FRN2013hat’s not what Ringo says about the situation but even if it is true it doesn’t really make Paul look bad. Paul came up with many of the Beatles drum patterns so he was just trying to direct Ringo on what to play like he had done many times before. Ringo says he just wasn’t feeling connected to everyone so he quit. I doubt Paul directing him like he had always done was the reason for leaving
Many sources say Paul was criticizing, not directing. And many sources say George and John persuaded Ringo to come back. I wasn't there. I'm just going by what those sources say.
What's your source?
Now that I've researched it some more, it seems that John criticized Ringo almost as much as Paul did.
Thanks for sharing 👍😀
"Axed, axed, axed" 🤣
Cry me a river, Phil.
The word is asked not axed. Thank you.
"oh, look, our Phil's a little Beatles fan" lmfao. Wish I could've seen his face
You should never axe someone for their autograph. It makes a bloody mess. He should've just asked.
Dont ask old ass ringo for an autograph
McCartney’s comment sounds like a joke that was musunderstood. Then again Phil’s ”angry” comment sounds like a joke to me as well. Phil does not seem that touchy in general. Maybe he would be pissed off for a while but holding a grudge for years and years… nah.
Anyhow, I would not mind been patronized by Paul or Phil myself😉😎 Neither of them even knows or cares I exist
Being a fan... And being a fan that collects things as a hobby... When I hear that someone brings a unique 1St Edition and has the honor to possibly having it signed by one of the books subjects... Tells the strong admiration and love of the fan... But stepping back and hearing the reaction... It's painfully clear to me what happened and why it's actually a very tragic set of circumstances... It was Paul... Whether anyone from outside could ever really understand, the break up of the Beatles for Paul - turned that side of Paul's life - into sharp moments of pain and anger... In hindsight, had anyone advised Phil to NOT introduce the book... Things from that point on... Would be different, for sure... Because Phil was hit by a reaction to things he was never apart of... Paul wasn't able process the matter to begin with, which is the wrench from very start... Things... Control to much... Shapes from the present shaped by the past that in turn shape the future... Locking hurt both in and away... Which is how this chance event sparked like it did...
Yes, and Paul was married to the bitch Heather Mills at the time. He dealt with depression after the Beatles broke up and Linda pulled him out of it. When she died, he again fell into a deep depression. He fell for Heather because he was really vulnerable. Even though Stella warned him (and probably his other kids) that she was bad news, he married her anyway. Some men just cannot be alone. I've seen it happen more often with guys than women. Guys don't have the larger support network women do, for the most part. I hate to generalize but it is something I've seen over my six decades on this Earth. Paul was in a bad mood, obviously. Phil should forgive and try to forget because grudges just hurt the one holding them.
Ever heard of a period?
It's just some banter. Phil Collins takes himself too seriously.
Billy just isn't as nice as Paul was, Phil.
Ego’s in the music world. Shocker.
Egos, not ego’s
yes; i am a musician, i know about egos.
From what I know, thats not the only Beatles song Phil covered. I believe there is a video of him covering Golden slumbers and carry that weight
On Paul's album "Press to Play", there is a song called "Angry" on which the drummer is ... Phil Collins
Howard Stern had the same thing happen with Paul. He asked for an autograph or selfie for his daughter, and Paul said no.
That's because Howard Stern is a talentless D-Bag.
Maccarnty might be just plain greedy ??
@@travels129no he just didn’t want to. Paul has become friendly with Stern but he has every right to be angry with him if he wanted. Howard used to talk so much shit, especially about Linda. I’m surprised Paul has been on his show so much
@@ewest14If Howard insulted Linda than I naturally support Paul's decision to deny Howard a autograph or selfie.
Not getting McCartney's side to this.
When you get just one side, you don't hear the parts they hide.
“Asked”, not “axe’d” !!
How do you pronounce low income racist?
@@fordblue609 Ford Blue, that’s how
@@joeybishop7604 I love you low income people. Who else is going to clean my gutters
@@fordblue609 Well yes, it could easily be a racist comment, what with "axed" for "asked" being predominantly common to black people. But it's not necessarily racist. Like me, the guy might simply dislike the English language being used incorrectly.
@@blackmore4 You do not get to decide if you or he is a racist. Everyone else does. You are
Phil you approached it all wrong. You should’ve said “ Hey Paul I’ll trade you this mirror for your autograph “
“Phil Collins axed for an autograph”? Hope no one got hurt.
Just to sell for John Lennon.
😉
Phil Collins queria um autógrafo sim para vender para o John Lennon
That's strange, since a lot of other British Rock Stars are also Beatles fans - and, in the Ozzie Osbourne Documentary, I've seen Ozzie (a HUGE Beatles fan) getting Paul McCartney to sign his Beatles Album. Paul was very gracious.
Lemmy from Motorhead was also a massive Beatles fan - I don't think that Paul would be rude to Lemmy, if he knew what was good for him.
Phil Collins seems a bit Over-Sensitive.
Tomorrow Never Knows is NOT mac's song. It was Lennon all the way. Do your research before posting such nonsense.
Both are great musicians in their own right, from two legendary bands. You can tell from Collins' solo album covers, he has a relatively healthy ego lol. For him to tuck tail and ask for a autograph is a big deal. Unfortunately, Paul apparently took a moment that he decided not to be so humble and gracious, but instead flexed his ego. It's a shame, but that's how these things go sometimes. I still enjoy both of their music. Paul will always be my favorite Beatle!
Mines George! Keep enjoying the.Beatles and Phil. Peter Gabriel is my fav!
Or Phil blew it way out of proportion and Paul was joking. For Phil to be so upset over something so minor and to hold a grudge all these years shows who was the real asshole
I doubt Paul's real worried about Phil Collins. You'd have to pay me to see him. 🙄
You couldn't pay me enough. 😳☺
@cliff heywood "Faul"... get a grip.
Height:
Paul McCartney: 5 feet 11 inches (almost 2 meters)
Phil Collins: 5 feet 6 inches (1.83 meters)
Maybe Phil interpreted the comment as a snide remark about him being short.
He also appears briefly on film as a member of the audience in A Hard Day's Night.
I'm with Phil Collins on this one.
The word is “ASKED” not “AXED”
Lizzie Borden axed his father and then axed him again. He was never ok with the whole idea.
We’re going to need a public service announcement.
Some black people say it like that
Aksed not axed. But who cares if you're from the skreet or ever patronized a skrip club.
@@Artisan1.618 - it’s not aksed it’s ASKED ! I don’t care if you think axing instead of asking makes you appear more “ street” , it just makes you look a prat with a capital P !
Since Phil is only 5-6, is was a bit of an insult. But, we all sometimes on the spur of the moment, can say something stupid and regret it. Paul was probably feeling a little jovial, and it just came out. He did contact Phil and apologized, but apparently it wasn't enough. It sounds like Phil needs to forgive and forget, and move on.
Don't ya see? It aint Paul, it's that smug Billy.
Yeah, I wonder if Collins ever got that autograph he "AXED" for. 🤣🤣🤣
Collins is the Tory who voted for Margaret Thatcher. That's all I need to know about his (lack of) scruples, his (lack of) integrity.
If I had to guess, Paul was joking and didn't even remember the interaction until he heard about it in the press.
I know, I've joked to someone, only to find they got upset over it.
I guess Paul assumed that Phil being a big star himself would understand the joke.
Playing amature psychiatrist, I would guess, because he was a Beatles fan as a kid, this felt like being crushed by his idol.
Not really Paul's fault.
I can believe Paul can be a bit big headed
Phil cover of "Tomorrow Never Knows" is perfect. And his 'Over The Rainbow' sung so sweetly as a tribute to John is exquisite. Beyond Tasteful. It is a magnificent gesture of love.
Paul was maybe ironic, he was maybe joking. We don't know. He has been misunderstood before.
Prick has no sense of humour and his musics shite as well
Paul simply referencing Phil being a young lad in Hard Day’s Night. Phil obviously has a “short” fuse.
That is NOT what he was referencing. Paul wouldn't have known Phil was even there. He never saw him, much less knew him then. LOL
That was pretty bad…Paul should have showed more class and signed it vs being a jerk about it.
Phil was certainly not the first whom Paul was a jerk towards.
Paul's constant criticism of Ringo during the recording of "Back in the USSR" drove Ringo to quit the Beatles.
John and George persuaded him to re-join, but it was actually Paul who played drums for the recording of that song.
@@FRN2013 Ringo denies this. Possibly it was a factor but Ringo blames how he was feeling shit and questioning his place in the band at the time. He says taking a quick holiday helped him recover and when he got back George made a fuss and Paul wrote a postcard saying that Ringo was the best drummer in the world (which he has since always repeated).
He possibly just needed encouragement because he was having a bad day. These were the white album sessions, infamous for them all being in a particular bad mood at one point or another.
Um, I hate to inform you, but Paul is usually well lit. The Beatles were/are on drugs since the 1950s. Everything he has recorded he was stoned. The privelege of reading 25 books on The Beatles.
@@hellsjamfleas Good post Helen. Ringo did indeed a holiday. He took his two sons to the Med. They went on a ship tour. The tour guide spoke of the octopuses living below the sea. Inspired by this it became "Octopuses Garden". The other three Beatles actually sent Ringo a telegram saying he was the best drummer and they didn't want him to leave. The White Album sessions were very fraught for many reasons.
@@annascoria6178 Paul hasn't touched drugs for years. He has the occasional glass of red wine. Hes very much into a health regime these days.
This is very much like a family feud. They are like two brothers who at one time had dated the same girl and each blames the other for her breaking up with them. Something harmless might have been said but it was blown entirely out of proportion because -- hey, superstars have fragile egos too!
How dare Paul McCartney speak to me like that. Who does he think I am?
Uh, Phil Collins.
Long story short Phil just gets butthurt easy
This makes me think a little less of Phil Collins. His lyrics are so emotionally developed. McCartney says "little Phil" and Collins sees red? Who knows what "little Phil" even means. Of course McCartney just wants to move on. Does Paul strike you as an insecure man who maintains his ego looking down on the competition? What can he do but move on? I hate to say it, but it would be enabling to do anything else. "Little Phil" could mean anything until you know. Sorry, you don't get to see my cards. You folded. Be
John you have no right to judge phil because you do not know what Phil was feeling
@@aprilgosa5779 sure I have a right to judge, I can judge whoever I want. I don't know how a lot of people are feeling. A lot people don't know how they themselves are feeling. But I can see how they act and what follows because of it. This is very disappointing in the Phil Collins that I listen to.
@@aprilgosa5779 You're right though, see my change from "lot less" to "little less". You've got to know, even the video title "can't stand Paul McCartney" is a misrepresentation when you hear the story. And, the story could be made up. The picture a steal from somewhere else. Better sharpen your judgement, for lack of a better word. Who knows what's real anymore. Now the lyrics on an album, I'm pretty sure about those. John.
Phil Collins is not tall, though, so he may be self-conscious about his height.
@@dhenderson1810 Yes, I guess that really bothers a man. My best childhood friend was obese, his story told a tremendous injury. I just don't see Paul as a cruel guy. It could as easily ment "I remember when you started and now we're (aren't they?) shoulder to shoulder. Maybe Phil was expecting some specific reaction he didn't get. Up till then Paul had been a hero. I know how my Uncle John was. Never meet your heroes. Not until you're ready.
There's no way either one of them care about this incident anymore
I am thinking that sometime in the past, Cheesy Phil slighted Paul or the Beatles and when the time came to return McCartney put him in his place ten fold. Thanks Paul.
He”axed for “ ?
just get on with it Phil..
No misunderstanding. I have a McCartney diary for Q magazine written by himself in which he is equally rude and swears against the Bee Gees and Barry Gibb, who had nothing but praise ever.
He also demanded Mick Jagger only came to his house, never other way around. He is a manipulative narcissist.
Billy Shears can be rather harsh. Get well Phil❤
Hey Phil, just be happy Billy let's you stay in the :club.
This is the first that Ive heard about this. And I love both of these guys.
After the split, without Lennon to bounce off, McCartney's stuff didn't quite do it for me.
@@trevorhoward7682 Maybe I'm Amazed or any other song by him, for example Band on the run album, pleased you?
@@B.R.0101 Not really. I bought Band on the Run and Venus and Mars and didn't really like anything on them. Never bought any of his again; certainly not the dirge Mull of Kintyre and couldn't really drum up any excitement about We All Stand Together. Those two he did with Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder were dire. So, no, I didn't think much of his non-Beatle stuff.
@@trevorhoward7682 there are albums before band on the run and after venus and mars, btw he really wrote beautiful melodies like Junk and many other, probably personal tastes are soooo different but he kept on writing beautiful albums... Different tastes...
@@B.R.0101 Agree to differ?
Phil Collins always reminded me of the little guy with the swirl on the front of the Campbell Soup can. I think Paul was totally joking, Maybe he was channeling his John Lennon response either or I think Phil Collins overreacted just a little bit.
Na Paul’s just a dick, talented but still a dick. Even George said so
1:00 From what song is that Phil's videoclip?
I would think Phil Collins would have less of an interest in getting an autograph than the average person.