Detained in Donetsk on Referendum Day: Russian Roulette in Ukraine (Dispatch 38)
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On Sunday, a referendum was finally held by the breakaway Donetsk People's Republic in eastern Ukraine on whether to declare independence. Polling stations were set up all over the city. With no independent monitors present, the DPR used locals to ensure that the vote was free and fair - a provision that hardly inspired confidence.
VICE News correspondent Henry Langston visited Donetsk to witness the ballot and ask people what they were voting for, but he and his crew quickly ran afoul of masked gunmen who were patrolling the station. They forced the crew inside the occupied administration building, where they were detained, searched, and interrogated for three hours before being allowed to leave. The experience offered some indication of what press freedom in the DPR would look like should it ever become independent.
Preliminary results announced around midnight showed a voter turnout of 74 percent, of which 89 percent voted yes. While seemingly suspect, the results were cheered by the DPR, which declared itself an independent state on Monday. But people are unsure of what the future holds for the separatist ambitions of Donetsk and Luhansk. Just last month, a poll showed that only 18 percent of people in eastern Ukraine wanted independence. With the Ukrainian government refusing to recognize the referendum and Russia backing its result, the next few days could prove pivotal for the entire region.
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Damn!! It only took them less than 2 hours to count more than 2 million ballots? Must be a world record.
It's the day after ??? Shows how stupid you are
It helps they were pre-recorded from Moscow 🤣
@@cr4yv3nNATO didn't even conduct a referendum when it created Kosovo from a province of Serbia 😂
@@thecoin5394 Your point?
@@cr4yv3n my point? Read more NATO bot
The separatists lectured this guy while detained about the failings of the British Empire, I find the same thing happening to me when I criticize what Russia is doing in and around Ukraine. They tell me about all the terrible things that the US has done or is doing.. and it leaves me to wonder, why should that matter here? I can only voice my opinion if my nationality is sinless?? My country isn't great and that has no effect on my opinion of other nations.
It's like they see it as an excuse, that if the US has done this worst thing ever it means they are allowed to do something slightly less worst. NO! There's no excuse, you and the US are just both in the wrong. Accept that
*****
I give them the benefit of the doubt, they don't give me the same. I'm getting really pissed off about being judged by what country I live in.
omfg THANK YOU. I get this all the time. It's as if just because I'm American it somehow invalidates my point. Our government is NOT innocent but that doesn't excuse other people from doing the same evil things.
well said, most pro-russian supporters end up blaming the US and attempting to skirt the real issues at hand.
It is always the same with nationalist in power - all they can talk is either how their past was great or how they where oppressed . It was same story about Serbs in Bosnia and it is the same with RUssians in Ukraine . They even had to tell serbian delegation in Dayton 98 that if they say one more word on Serbian history they are leaving the meeting and never come back :) .
If the US is allowed to violate international law to for its own economic, military, and political gain, then Russia would be at a __competitive disadvantage__ unless it did the same.
If the US does "bad things", it is __absolutely__ logical for Russia to do the same.
Right pro Russians call Ukrainians fascists but fascists use propaganda that first scene with that flag is propaganda. Get my drift?
What that flag said was west Ukraine is savage and crazed with riots and the east is "calm and happy" pointing out the bad guy in the flag.
Well, tey have a point. The current Ukrainian government has a strong fascist influence. Unfortunately the Russians/Separatists are no better.
Ben seddon You just lost your 'political opinion' posting privileges.
Ben seddon I was mildly mocking your oversimplification of the situation.
Oh sorry about that I'll delete it I'm not in a good mood today
So, you go in and show your ID to vote and fill out a card. Then you go and put your card in a big clear box that has "yes" or "no" on it. I can imagine someone there puting a little mark next to each person who voted no. Just so the "authorities" know who those voters are.
89,7% + 10,19% + 0,74% > 100%!!!!!
460 000 people live only in Mariupol, there were 4 polling station, 12 hours.
For example on every station they have 5 boxes,
460 000 / 4 / 5 / (12 * 60) = 32 people every min on every box. Every 2 seconds new blank.
Jup. Did a similar calculation and came to the same result. How people can be that stupid and not realise that this election was as rigged is beyond me...
460,000 * 0.85 * 0.2457 = 96,068
15% youngsters (they have no vote), 24.57% appearance
7 ppl/min
It's kinda ridiculous
Same thing happened to Crimea, look what happened next ?
But people are happy. Strange situation yeah? Look at crimean people. They dont want to get back to ukraine
The problem with most conflicts in the world is that neither side is the "good guys". The people running the show on both sides are corrupt and deceptive.
but some of them have an army, planes, artillery, huge budgets and others have only their courage. Democracy hule.
readonler A corrupt person with "courage" is still corrupt. It doesn't make them a hero. And they have a way of gaining more and more power, and aligning with others who have, or can GIVE them, planes, artillery, etc.
In the case in Ukraine, you have army, tanks, helicopters etc on one side, but you have a well-armed militia army on the other that is backed by Putin and one of the world's largest militaries which has its own plans and agenda. So the situation is not like you make it out to be.
Exactly.
Yeah, only one side got rid of corrupt dictator in their country and tried to start a new life while the other one used this moment to annex territory it didn't own lying to the whole world as "it tried to defend citizens". So much for the both sides being corrupt and deceptive
Yeah altho Ukraine is the good guys in this war.
Жаль иностранцы (по крайней мере большинство) не понимают разницу между "Русский" и "Россиянин".
The difference between "Russian" and "Russian"?
PAXperMortem exactly. It's too hard for them.
PAXperMortemДаже google переводчик не видит разницы, тебе тем более не понять что такое "Р у с с к и й" и что такое "Р о с с и я н и н"
PAXperMortem Русский (russkiy) it's an ethnic group, россиянин (rossiyanin) means an inhabitant of Russia. There is no difference in english translation. This may confuse the foreigner.
perchek999
Oh, I see. Yeah, that's kinda confusing. So a lot of the people in eastern Ukraine are Russkiy, but the inhabitants of Moscow are Rossiyanin, right?
1:45 "We are against war and against soldiers. That's why we support Russian military occupation and highly armed militia systematically taking over government structures and dismantling the state of Ukraine."
lol, cry some more.
Now there bombed out by there own fo called heroes.
Ukraine is not even a real country bro
Why can't these people that "want" to join Russia, simply move to Russia?
I was being sarcastic.....How do you correlate race and IQ? I question your intellect because obviously you don't read books to know that there are no official studies that shows me simply having more melanin in my skin to have an effect on brain function thus the lowering of my IQ as you say. I suggest if you're going to troll, at least use an insult that doesn't make you sound more stupid than the person you're saying it to :) please respond *****
Well sorry to put a wrench into this, but it didn't really come off as sarcastic or as a joke tbh =/ and this is me as an observer...
Dont waste your breath man, outside of Africa and the U.S.(well most of us here anyway) you are just gonna get called a dumb N-word regardless of your opinion. Very fun world we live in isn't it? Plus Russians seem to have a large problem with black people.
Borders of Ukraine were artificially drawn by some of the worst dictators of the 20th century who didn't take the people into account. Why should they have to move from their homes? Why didn't the people in the thirteen colonies move to Mexico if they didn't want to be part of Britain?
Lukeeiiee They dont have to move from their homes. But if you want to live under a Russian flag... you should move from your home if your home is not in Russia. Its completely unreasonable to wake up one day and demand your country give the land you live on to another country. Could you imagine Maine wanting to join Canada? Would the USA let that happen? Would the people in the USA want that to happen? No because its dumb. If you want to be in Russia, move to Russia... That simple.
"Over six thousand people have voted at this station" *looks at clear glass voting box the bottom is barely full
"over six thosannds MILLIONS of peoples, and over 250 thousands off
4:28 he said "foreign observers wasn't sent (by their countries' officials) to them". vice translated as "there are no outside observers". It's a big difference. They sent invitations and many agreed to come, but after all these shootings they simply were afraid to come. Like OSCE did in Odessa, claiming that they didnt record violence as they ran away being afraid for their lives.
Do you really believe they would have allowed these observers?
Just the title of these videos explain on whose side Vice is.
*****
They had observers for the Crimea referendum. They had observers for the Lugansk referendum. So yes observers were allowed.
600 reporters there and only VICE having problems.. Doesn't it look suspicious?
Last month, Canada promised to send 500 democratic overseers to Ukraine. I wonder what happened to them?
Does Donetsk even have the resources to be an independent nation? Can they even generate enough power for their buildings? can they feed everyone without imports? do they have the finance for said imports? I'm genuinely curious about that.
Nope.
***** so the ukraine might actually suffer without donetsk? wow, thats crazy, I never thought they where that well off!
therealquade www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-10/ukraines-eastern-industrial-heartland-is-fed-up-wants-change
*****
I cannot find that forbes article you mentioned. I did find one which list Kyiv as a city to invest in for 2025. www.forbes.com/pictures/fjji45ehmg/kiev-ukraine/ The weirdest part is that the Donetsk wiki also links to unsubstanciatd bullshit. Strange.
its the richest (former?) region in (former?) Ukraine. They export natural resources, domestic products, military parts. Main customer is Russia. I think they will do just fine (maybe better) economically but this may impact the rest of Ukraine. Its akin to Bavaria splitting off from Germany.
If they would rather be under Russian than Ukrainian protection until things get sorted out properly in Kiev, I don't see a problem with that, but secession needs to wait until there is a coherent and legitimate Ukrainian state to secede from. No matter what referendums and ethnic ties are used to justify these events, the outside appearance is that Russia is taking advantage of the weakness of the Ukrainian state to expand its borders. If this isn't the case, why didn't they try to claim independence before things went to hell?
do half of these people even know what a fascist is?
They're Russians, the original social justice warriors, of course they don't.
Yes, this area was invaded by fascists in the 40's every family lost someone.
It's like watching 1945's "refrendums" in Eastern Europe all over again.
Communist regimes came to power like this - by force, "incredible numbers in support" ( helped by russian troops and pre-stamped votes ).
96% in Crimea.
96% here.
Someone in the KGB really likes this number.
u are watching the one of those real votes recorded by journalists from Britain or wherever the fuck they are ... the vote is not rigged apparently, people drop the papers only once, and there a no armed dudes, just women etc. I bet u are too young to understand, u trust TV news not facts
why do you think it's rigged when the majority of people don't think that way. If they think their referendum was rigged, they would likely carry out a big demonstration.
Question: how do journalist prevent their precious memory cards from being taken away other than hiding them? Is there possibly a method to upload footage immediately?
Yes, it's called "streaming".
Its not north korea sir
@@war1980 Was streaming popular in 2014? lol and were videos saved from streams back then?
@@CaneFan423
2014, not 1914. The cloud was definitely a thing. Also, yes.
@@CaneFan423twitch hello?
EXACTLY, TELL THE TRUTH, because it always comes out in the end.
Why shouldn't they have asked you about your feelings about Stalin killing 40 Million of its own people rather than talk about the British Empire.
Infact I'll pay for the CZcams premium to download and keep this, just in case..
very informative, thank you.
You mean, like this is clearly a sham election, that the Russians did?
Or is it a legitimate election organized by legally elected officials ?
Is western media lying about the nature of this referendum ?
VICE 2015 coverage, shows the exact opposite of what VICE 2022 is reporting today.
They sure have a nasty habit of antagonizing journalists don't they?
This looks very similar to Northern Ireland in 1913 when pro-British Unionists opposed to the independence of a United Ireland brought in 1 million rounds of ammunition and 40,000 rifles from Germany - with the connivance of the British authorities, forcing the partition of Ireland in 1920. As an Irish person this is very familiar to me.
he gave you a free history lesson... how lucky are you
”In which country you are now?”🤣🤣🤣
Great video! Nice job stay safe
Really need simon back
Lol, how are you doing in your concentration camp named DNR, 7 years later?
isnt it dispatch 38?
LOL people say "the referendum is illegal", "if they want to join Russia, they can move to Russia"ecc....but people forget that Ukrainian and Russians are the same people (like Belarusian) and the first Russia was born in Kiev...they should have to open a history book and shut their mouths!
LMAO, stop reading wikipedia bhullshit you dumbfuck. and the first russia was born in Kiev - epic !!!
+orest kalni It really was.
I like this reporter, he seems more objective than others. Kind of hilarious that the interrogator would go on into a history lesson on the British Empire though, especially considering it is a by-gone era mostly..
for some reason russians believe they are not imperialist they never question how a european country borders korea china and japan .
@@apollo-eu4fk People forget that the US signed off on the creation of North Korea too. 🙄
When it will end?
Anymore to come?
Can a I just say, I fucking LOVE VICE.... Vice is more than half the reason I don't need cable, the rest is thanks to the INTERNET.
Corrupt as feck……just the usual for that hole
The russkie sympathizers seems to read from the same script every time.. Odd.
Yes wile calling everyone else sheep😅
Any fools that think an independent Donetsk would be more prosperous might want to look at what happened in places like South Ossetia and Transnitria.
Awesome work on unbiased reporting guys, you guys are rare nowadays
6:53 Did that guy just say: leave our region or choose our side? That sounds like the most fascist thing I've heard so far in this conflict. Even more ridiculous is the fact they want the Russian Federation to be the middleman. They want the one country that is out to invade Ukraine (exactly what happened in Crimea) to serve as middleman. Yeah, Russia really seems like a very neutral country in this conflict... Lol.
Since the region has voted to become independent from Ukraine, any Ukrainian military forces are considered illegal occupiers of Donetsk. He merely said "Those soldiers who don't come to our side should leave", otherwise if they stay they are effectively invading their territory.
Man sry to say this but u dont understand what is going on there, the people dont want to be a part of ukrain, they saw what happened to luhansk people with the bombings and they decides not with us
Lol
where is dispatch 39???? want more news...BTW, GOOD NEWS, GOOD REPORTERS VICE NEWS!!! GOOD JOB! THANKS!
As a person from the portion of Donetsk region occupied by the RUSSIAN ARMY (not leaving it for a single day) I'll figure this insanity out:
1. People actially voted for joining the Russian Federation (referendum for it was promised by Russian-controlled separatists on 18.05.2014)! People in Donetsk WERE SURE THAT RUSSIA WOULD ANNEX OUR REGIONS LIKE THEY DID IN CRIMEA. PEOPLE WANTED NEW PENSIONS AND PAYMENTS AS HIGH AS IN RUSSIA AND CRIMEA (in reality, standard of living in RF doesn't differ much from Ukrainian.)
2. Being manipulated by Russian propaganda people cried out a year ago while voting on referendum "STOP FEEDING UKRAINE!! LET'S BLOCK SUPPLIES FROM OUR REGIONS FOR KYIV AND LEAVE ALL INCOMES HERE "
3. The number of locals fighting against Ukraine in Donetsk DOES'T EXCEED 20%. The majority of separatists are Russian mercenary (soldiers of fortune) and soldiers of Russian regular Army (they actually gain all battles)
I'm for the Donetsk Peoples Republic, I think they handled things well in a democratic manner, they do need to work on how they handle journalists trying to report on the goings on inside their region. I don't see a better solution for Ukraine by trying to force this region back into their country, it would be toxic for their people.
lol 256k people actually voted no? those people have balls
Ahahahah! They all will be send to GULAGS deffenetly :)
Denis Berdnikov Is that supposed to be a joke?
I AmCancerToSome Im not sure... given that he is pro russian i think that hes serious.
fffgrehn Yeah it's probably the case. That could just make any heart start to weep.
Ukraine is currently stateless and not dependable, better if you join russia or live independently
That bow tie is priceless!
Democracy is a beautiful thing.
This isn't true democracy it's a joke of what democracy is.
If Ukraine was a Democracy at all ,
It would have Freed DONBASS without the need to Fire at them to keep their mouth shuttt.
@@nolifeson1 a cruel parody
these people do not care what people think of them with Western Europe and USA
Which is why Russia is a backwards shit hole compared to the West.
TheRhinehart86 we dont give a fuck what u thinkink about us.can u understend this?no?so gtfo
Сеня Иваерв
If you don't care then why are you here telling us westerners about it? Logic not your strong, Senja?
So..... 2.5 million people voted in a region of 1 million?
Am I missing something?
Stalin style fraud
Where is the Evidence?
And how many people voted for 'Merican independence? Was there any referendum, yes or no? Were there some observers from the UK? CAUSE IF THERE WERE NOT THAN AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE IS ILLEGAL.
This guy reminds me Peter Parker for some reason,
70-80 year old grandmas are in charge of making sure there aren't any falsifications lol hysterical.
When is simon coming back? I enjoy his reporting more. and he is fluent.
more lies, eh? :)
The way I see it, is that Donetsk republic has the right to rebel, but Kiev has the right to fight them and keep them in ukraine
again do these russian/ukranians know what fascist is??
They do way better than you.
lol nice come back ruski. u yanukovich and putin lap dog? get wrekt no one like russians.... I havent met a single decent russian at all.
RowXStryker Because you sit inside all day on your pc.
So you obviously were released and not prevented to do your job.
i don't see how these dispatches are biased toward one side. They are sensationalist (that is Vice's thing), but watching them I feel more and more sympathy for the separatists.
If they wanted to live in Russia they should have moved there.
now they are living in Russia without moving out
It was Soviet Union before , so they are home
@@nandotorres4461 no- they do now get moved out, to die on front lines for there new masters or to find new homes after russen "liberators" flattened there city.
Make more longer videos please i really get in too watching this and russia is crazy -longer videos vice
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This link reports that in reality only 15% of Crimean citizens voted for annexation:
www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-rights-council-accidentally-posts-real-crimean-election-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation/
Whatever the real figures for both referendums, my concerns are for the citizens who did not support them, but are unable to voice their concerns.
***** Some disagree with you and the link does appear to have sources backing up the information. As neither of the referendums where properly administered, these figures would not be a total shock if they were correct. But, I repeat: 'whatever the real figures for both referendums, my concerns are for the citizens who did not support them, but are unable to voice their concerns.'
***** So, does the fact that there have been many revolutions make it OK? I personally believe it's important to show concern. If I was in the same position, I would be grateful that others are showing concern.
So to be clear, these people are Russians who moved into the Ukraine region of Donetsk and now want independence from the Ukraine. What kind of bullshit is that?
+chewy wookie they will get their "independence " and then they will join russia. simple
+chewy wookie Yep, that's how Putin's politics work ;)
+chewy wookie Not at alll, their ancestors lived here long ago before there was country called Ukraine...
Long live the Donetsk Peoples Republic!
Those guys in the press conference actually look like mafia gangsters, especially the guy with the beard. They most likely are thugs.
ya Russian mob that got paid buy the Russian gov to do their dirty work
Kosovo break away from Serbia by the blessings of the USA but they will not do the same for Donetsk,the UN is unfear,people power long live donetsk
I think your cameraman found something he liked the look of @7:13
understand a lot now. in Germany it was reported that it was illegally annexed, I see that it is not so.
It was illegally anexed. This referendum is not legal because it wasn't recognized for Ukraine and there's militar presence
I know our boy Simon would want to get out of there, but I really enjoy his reporting.
Vice, please translate what people say correctly. too much small mistakes that make the whole text sound different
Does no one realise the same result can come of filming public monuments in the UK?
This is like a massive russian Circus, I'm waiting for Putin to show up as a clown.
LOL this is funny man the lady said and i quote "We live in Ukraine, but we are Russians." So that gives you the right to create a civil war in Ukraine to join Russia?
The referendum is for 1) being independent state or 2) staying with Ukraine. Keep on research more before making stupid assumption
At least there is some humor in a volitive situation
This is not the firs video by Vise where they claim their memory cards were taken. The must have taken the cards and cleared only the part that was inside the building.
Since he's asking the questions in English, how do all the people know how to respond?
Either the camera guy can speak russian or the russian people just understand english like most of the countries nowadays
Most people understand english. Or he has a translator with him.
***** these people do not realize they're stupid
***** Most of Russians don't understand english good enough.
***** thanks
i love how she says she's against soldiers, against war, against people dictating their own conditions and fascists, eventho the russians are exactly that.
The exact same values apply to the US, or basically ANY superpower.
Welcome to the 21st century pal. Magic kingdoms don't exist.
I dont care what other superpowers are, i'm more worried about the stupid russkies.
Rychiuss Why so? I'm more worried about the US and it's military state stomping through Europe more than Russia. Russia will never start a war with NATO and NATO will not attack NATO members so most likely nothing will happen out of this conflict.
But just think about it:
"Your country isn't like the way we would like it? Here, have 500.000 marines and bombs."
- US government's thoughts a few years ago when the Syria crisis started.
HAHAHAHA listen to this guy
"us and its military state stomping through europe more than russia"
dude, unsubscribe to russiatoday channel, might have some actual proper thoughts instead of this gibberish you're typing
Rychiuss Then read the rest of the comment and prove me I'm wrong. I'm listening. And RT is just a Russian propaganda channel, fuck that.
At the beginning, on the right: What the hell is Senator Hubert Dreyfuss doing there?!
Where is Steve? The reporter from all the other russian roulette in ukraine videos?
Only few days ago these people were called terrorists by Kiev... They were hated by western Ukrainians (ex-SS GALICIA), they called this people "Colorado bugs"... They even sent the army forces...
So you should understand why they want separation.
There's a slight but meaningful difference between the translation and actual opinion of the natives. At 4:26 caption states "there are no outside observers", but what Yury said in fact was "наблюдателей нам никто не прислал извне" - meaning "nobody from the outside had sent us any observers". Which kind of makes sense because foreign countries support Kiev and wouldn't recognize the legitimacy of such referendum in the first place! But you can't make something even less fair by declining to observe it, that's like proving your statement by claiming "I've already said that earlier, see".
It's quite handy to be able to notice these little things.
2,200,000 votes yes and 250,000 no, donetsk's population is supposed to be around 1 million..... what the fuck
4 356 392 !! live there ...
What's stephen merchant doing in ukraine?
I'm sweating watching this today, boy, did you unwittingly document history!!!! Can you imagine where Ukraine would be today if Kiev listened to the people of the Donetsk? If they had sent observers here to witness this process and accept the results of the referendum?
Russia should have been present to protect these people. Where were you President Putin?? You've come 8 years to late...
It's ok. He may be late, but we won't when we crush you fucking rats all the way to Moscow!
That aged poorly
Ukraine has every right to maintain its territorial integrity and enforce stability in the region.
Russia is free to get the fuck out of Ukraine's way or else risk having their economy ground into dust by severe economic sanctions and near total economic isolation.
Is it possible to get a dispatch from the Ukraine army's side? I want to look at all this from all perspectives before I form an opinion
so what about news Vice news please ?
This is one small step for putin, one giant leap for world order
#Pray for Novorussia ✌
why isn't simon there anymore?
This reporter has a funny facial expression, like "quilty" or what...
this is as democratic as north korea
Fast forawrd and now these areas have no jobs, everything is in decay, n life, extreme poverty..while Ukraine was thriving up until 2022. Even the Russians in Ukraine changed their tunes
Oh yes thriving workers at Polish factories. Ukraine became the poorest country of Europe somewhere around 2019.
"We are peaceful citizens."
Sigh...here we go again..
You will not be such a peaceful guy if your whole neighborhood gets bombed frequently.
I feel so confused, with every video that's been put up, I kinda don't understand anything atm. Can someone catch me up, to what exactly is happening? Thanks
Ukraine - a country made up of different regions and population groups. The current Ukraine government after the coup decided to go to Europe. The eastern part wants to be an ally of Russia and the Customs Union.
Sergei Badmaev The revolution was not about being with EU or Russia. It was against the corrupt government of Yanukovich. The revolution was supported by both Ukrainian and Russian speaking Ukrainians, it was also supported by many prominent liberal Russians.
However Russian media presented the revolution as a fascist anti-Russian coup, which is obviously false, since a large proportion of the people supporting the revolution were Russian, Jewish, and of other nationalities. People in Russia and Eastern Ukraine unfortunately believe this propaganda, which is the cause of the current conflict.
Artem Goutsoul This is not correct, Yanukovich was overthrown by Neo-Nazi's , extreme right sector GEO political movements. "Revolution" was lead by goons and USA via CIA and Corporate Militia's ( remember the snippers ? that was CIA ). Self - Appointed ( current government in Kiev ) has already descended into Western-Psuedo-Feudal status ... the real issues here are the IMF / NATO ... Nato needs to create a new conflict " GOOD / GUY " bad guy scenario ... and the IMF wants to control all money exchanges. You can see this already coming to fruition as USA / CIA chose Biden's son to be head of 'Gas' exchange.
Francis Yazatas Look for there to be a refugee spill out all over Western Europe do to the Self Appointed government tactics in ethnic cleansing. This will trigger major issue with EU , German PM's are very nervous about this... Romania / Hungary are already un-happy with EU , once they have 2 million refugees or more - look for them to leave the EU , and Poland won't be too happy once a couple of million refugees head there way. Another reason why USA has no business in foreign policy.
Simple Vice news is owned by Rupert Murdoch who also owns Fox news, as this guy says he was approached by armed men (not on camera) who took his memory cards ( but not the one in his camera?????) what your watching here is pure propaganda I prefer to watch more independent videos with less talking from the scene, just type in Mariupol filter out this week and watch for yourself, don't rely on Vice/Fox news
Such double standards from the US and EU in this conflict. When the same thing happened in Kosovo(although with much more agression from the seperatists) EU and US backed the classified terrorist seperatists. It is obnoxious really. Donbass is Russia, Kosovo is Serbia, Cyprus is Greece. The west can stay out of other countries business and let the people have their freedom.
Lovely shooting from my home country (our Nature, not the separatists, they are straight ugly) - fresh springtime, birds singing, trees are getting green just beautiful. God Bless Ukraine!
what happened to simon?
Is Simon Ostrovsky going to report again from Ukraine or is he done? I mean I can understand that he had more then enough after being abducted, but honestly I liked his dispatches the most.
Goodjob Russia. Keep picking on smaller country's.
"Yesterday, the media was very well protected, they weren't attacked, they were able to film everything. Which is, obviously, very contradictory, to our personal experience where we were detained for 3 hours"
Oh, you were DETAINED? Where they asked you some questions because they are very suspicious of the western media portrayal of the situation (see new york times) and "repeatedly told you to tell the truth" (your words, not mine)? So were you attacked, were you not allowed to film, were you tortured? No, you were detained as a suspicious individual in a CONFLICT ZONE where they asked you some questions. I don't know about the UK, but in the US you can be DETAINED by police for up to 24 hours FOR ANY REASON during PEACE TIME. Drop the bias, buddy. At this point I miss Simon, his level of bias was much milder than this crap.
Где предыдущий журналист? Который понятно говорил на английском )
At this point I'm not sure who I support in this whole thing. Sure I think the people should be free to do as they clearly want but at the same time it's ridiculous that it's causing all this chaos.