I'm Cath & I love Ortland. The sort of serious & charitable discourse he fosters--beyond the familiar ubiquitous caricatures--is really helpful & important in building up better understanding between each other in my opinion.
I also appreciate you as a Catholic not calling me a heretic as some traditional Catholics have done on Trent Horn's channel . We need more dialogue and less stone throwing from both sides.
@@davidjanbaz7728 sorry I missed this, David, if any Cath ever calls you that, point them to the Cath “Decree on Ecumenicism” (Unitatis redintegratio), as Caths, they’re obliged to give it assent, it doesn’t call our separated Christian brethren “heretics.” It says Caths should acknowledge that non-Cath-Christians, through faith in Christ, have salvific grace too. It isn’t the 17th Century anymore. If someone is being saved by grace through faith in Christ, all the sincere debates ought to begin from an acknowledgement of that imo.
It's nice to see the historic Baptist tradition being intellectually defended, albeit briefly. I'm very curious about the history of my own tradition. I hope you can do more videos about it, but you always have your plate full, so I understand if you can't. Over these last few months, your work has blessed me, and is still blessing me. God bless you, Gavin!
So glad my work has blessed you!! I will consider maybe doing a longer video on the origins of the Baptist tradition. That is a fascinating area. Lots of people unfortunately don't realize that Baptist and Anabaptist are different.
If you want to learn more about Church tradition, you should learn about the early church. They didn't keep Baptist traditions on baptism. They taught things the Baptist Church rejects. This is why I don't hold to their interpretation of scripture. It deviates historically from Church normative on baptism teaching.
@@dman7668They also taught things the Baptist church affirms. The Early Church Fathers did not unilaterally teach the exact same thing. You make it sound like the Church Fathers had one, exclusive, uniform way that things should be and their writings don’t show that.
@yosiyyahu.bar.stephen I am sorry, but you are misinformed here. The early Church Father's were unanimous on a view on baptism that does contradict the Baptist church.
A person must be “baptized” to be saved, but it has nothing to do with water. The proof is found below. Old Covenant Baptism vs. New Covenant Baptism (water vs. Spirit) Water baptism was a part of the Old Covenant system of ritual washing. The Old Covenant priests had to wash before beginning their service in the temple. (Ex. 30:17-30) When Christ was water baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, He was under the Old Covenant system. He also only ate certain foods, and wore certain clothes, as prescribed by the 613 Old Covenant laws. Christ was water baptized by John and then the Holy Spirit came from heaven. (Acts 10:38) The order is reversed in the New Covenant. A person receives the Holy Spirit upon conversion, and then believers often declare their conversion to their friends and family through a water baptism ceremony. Which baptism makes you a member of Christ’s Church? The New Covenant conversion process is described below. (Born-again) Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (A person must “hear” the Gospel, and “believe” the Gospel, and will then be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit.) Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (See Jer. 31:34 for the New Covenant promise, and 1 John 2:27 for the fulfillment) ============ Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says? What did Peter say below? Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 1:5, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water/ every time they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage? Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (See 1 Cor. 12:13) “baptize” KJV Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Water or Holy Spirit?, See Eph. 1-13.) Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (See Eph. 4:1-5) Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Old Covenant ----> New Covenant) .
Thank you Gavin! I am High Church Lutheran but I really appreciate your pov, even if I don't always agree. You exhibit the fruits of the Spirit and your peaceful soul is very appealing and needed in an age of contention and in-fighting. May you and your ministry be blessed.
I'm just finding this channel, but definitely benefitting from it. I wish the commenter I always see going into Roman Catholocism or Eastern Orthodoxy would seek out Lutheranism instead. You get the good they're seeking with a far far better theology.
As a Catholic I have always apreiciated the Baptist traditions love for christ and scripture..Yes can disagree some things but united in yours...Your congregation is lucky to you...Christ body the Church needs more humble and chartitable guys like uou..
As someone who was raised Anglican but is now Baptist, I would love a longer video on Baptist church history. I asked my husband who Baptists' "person" was--you know, how Lutherans have Luther, Anglicans have Cramner, Presbyterians have Calvin--and my husband cheekily told me John the Baptist. I laughed, but then found I was really curious about the history of this movement because I just didn't know.
Baptist terminology Not found in the Bible Altar Call Age of accountability Total depravity of man Ask Jesus into your heart Rapture Invisibile church Clothed in the righteousness of Christ Accept Christ as your personal Lord and saviour Enthroning the Bible in your heart Personal interpretation of scriptures (1 Pt 2) Faith Alone (James 2:24) Scripture Alone (2Thess ) Celebtating Christmas Remembering Good Friday Celebrating Easter The Gospel is a 'simple message'
@@johncolvin1283 One big reason was that I married a Baptist! 😂 That's not my only reason though: I'm a Baptist primarily because I hold to believer's baptism. I have also become increasingly convinced of the wisdom of congregational church polity. I consider myself a "high church" Baptist though and still have great love and affection for the Anglican church and for the Book of Common Prayer.
@IHS333 this is a huge misrepresentation of what baptists believe overall. Not to mention just bc words aren't found in scripture doesn't mean the idea that the word is used to encompass isn't. The terms bible and trinity aren't used in scripture yet they are important terms to the faith. I hope you actually look into what baptist doctrines are and what Baptists actually believe about those doctrines
John Smyth in England in the 17th Century started the Baptist movement as a break-a-away from The Church of England but if you're looking for a key charismatic character in the history of the Baptist movement then I expect Charles Spurgeon would be your man along with 'his Bible', which took America by storm (and still does I believe).
We went to seminary together and lived in the same building for awhile but I didn't know you were Baptist. At the time I was looking for a believers Baptist at Covenant to compare notes with as that is my background. Now I am attending a Missouri Synod Lutheran Church. At any rate I have been listening to some of your videos and appreciate the Christlike attitude in your arguments.
The only issue is that Baptists ignore parts of the bible. I agree with most of it but not the part about being saved. Baptists believe that all you have to believe in Jesus and you are automatically saved which is not true. The only time the bible says faith alone is in James 2:24 "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.”
@@MiniWalshJunior Ephesians 2:8 for by grace you are saved and that not of yourselves, not by works, it is the gift of God. Baptist believe works are followed by true salvation. people who say they are saved but never produce fruit are not Christians. its common for people to misunderstand Baptist and think they are saying the claim is sufficient to be saved, but that is not true
@@MiniWalshJunior Faith with out works is a clear sign that someone is not Christian. Faith alone does bring us into the correct relationship with Christ, and if we die in that moment we will enter heaven, just like the thief on the cross. It is Christ sacrifice that saves. After one is saved works follow out of obligation to our commitment to Christ, but not to achieve salvation. it can be compared to marriage. Once I am married i will conduct myself as one who is not single, not because acting married makes me married, but because i entered into that relationship. it is my obligation.
The difference between you and other Christian CZcamsrs is that I trust you. I often look things up and read books you mention but your whole aura just says trust. Love this short format btw
Great video! As a (Charismatic) Baptist myself, this was a concentrated and helpful list of good reasons for belonging to the Baptist tradition. Shorter 5 minute videos sounds like a good complement to your more in-depth videos. Also, the new graphics are cool. God bless you 🙏
Hmm, I thought the terms charismatic and Baptist were kind of antithetical to each other. Baptist seems to have a wider swathe than I know, but I thought Baptists were pretty firmly cessationists. I've heard ex Baptists talk about when miracles really started to happen in their lives and speaking in tongues happened, totally w/out them seeking it since they were taught it was of the devil. Then they tried to share those experiences w/ other Baptists and were practically shunned.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 as a Baptist, my experience has been that many of these churches accept the gifts of the Spirit, but operate as practical cecessionists. One bright exception has been a Baptist mega church in my city. The leadership felt the Spirit was calling them into intensive prayer for revival, etc. this was about nine months prior to the Asbury revival. They suspended all Wednesday activities. They have seen the gifts of the spirit in operation and have had about 300 baptisms in the last year.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 Ready to Harvest channel can open your eyes to many smaller Baptist denominations that do have all the gifts of the Spirit: I come from a limited Baptist view of what gifts are still operating today. But this issue has split many Baptist churches in the past!
Gavin, thank you for your clear, concise, and gracious presentation of baptist theology. You have become a trusted voice in an anxious world. Thank you for what you're doing.
Thank you Gavin for your insights. I am a Conservative Baptist - but like you I appreciate the fellowship of all believers. I come from generations of pastors, teachers and missionaries. I found the Lord in Sunday School at the age of Seven. I can still see clearly and re-experience that joy just by remembering my child-like acceptance of needing God to forgive my sins and accept that Christ died on the cross for me. I then wanted to know why I couldn't share in the communion during the Church Service as I had Jesus in my heart too. My parents graduated from Nyack and three Uncles from Wheaton and I graduated from BIOLA. Your messages give me joy and renew my interest in furthering my desire to delve deeper into the "Reasons Why we believe. I will be praying for God's Hand to Bless your ministry.
As a young person growing up in a Conservative Baptist Association church: I can identify with everything you said as All those ideas were prominent in our Association. I also wrote a paper on J. Hus in my church history class at Biola University.
Love this format! As far as feedback, and this is so ironic coming from me because I always forget to put things in the description, but for points where you already have videos, it would be great to link to those! Then, these videos can serve even more efficiently as gateways to the long-form discussions.
Good video Dr. Ortlund! An unexpected consequence of your being a Baptist who teaches church history is that I can share your videos with “low church” Protestants without the risk of being put off if you were Anglican or Lutheran. Blessed by your work as always. God bless! 🙂
You should also check out the Church history that was in place before the Baptist Church. The early Church so believed in baptismal regeneration and the concept of baptism washing away sins. This is what the Church taught on this subject. Baptism washing sins away by Infusion with God's grace obtained on the cross is the normative understanding of baptism. Not what the Baptist Church says about it later. This is what lead me to reject what the Baptist Church teaches. I cannot easily ignore that this wasn't what the Christians believed in the early Church.
Thank you for continuing to make these coherent, historically supported arguments. Useful to engaging with our brothers and sisters in other traditions.
@@ethanwormell4812 A dear friend and brother pointed me in his direction a year or more ago. Been hooked ever since. Gavin is a refreshing and much needed change from the Jack Chick flavor of Protestantism that is all too familiar. I have learned a great deal about my faith from good Catholic brothers but until one of them (ironic!) told me about Truth Unites, I'd lacked a resource for learning about the Reformation's roots in the ancient church. I can't get enough!
Loved this wonderful short reason for being a baptist. I will keep it as a resource for those who are interested because it was so concise and clear. Thanks Gavin!
Thank you for the video. I enjoyed getting your insight behind your view. Also, a lot of your work on Roman Catholicism was very helpful and pointed me to even more resources.
The short format is fine. I just prefer the greater detail that comes with the hour-long video. I keep meaning to tell you that I really appreciate the work that you're doing and making it available to those of us who don't have the time or ability to do the work ourselves.
I’ve been in a Baptist church my entire life and I never heard someone articulate our beliefs like that. If fact, nobody ever told us why we were Baptist. I like it!
1:40. YES! Completely agree! We even see this in 1 Clement, where this letter to the church at Corinth reminds them to be accountable to THEIR elder-bishops, not the elder-bishops at the church of Rome.
Ofc because Rome has only an overseer role, but the local bishops and elders are ruling these places, in accord with the bishop of Rome and the local patriarch/bishop
I used to be baptist, but recently became more convinced of covenant theology and peadobaptism. I've seen just as much damage in congregational churches are they're accountable to nothing but themselves. I think "non-denominational" is very harmful for the church in my opinion. Great video, thanks for sharing your views!
Old Covenant Baptism vs. New Covenant Baptism (water vs. Spirit) Water baptism was a part of the Old Covenant system of ritual washing. The Old Covenant priests had to wash before beginning their service in the temple. (Ex. 30:17-30) When Christ was water baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, He was under the Old Covenant system. He also only ate certain foods, and wore certain clothes, as prescribed by the 613 Old Covenant laws. Christ was water baptized by John and then received the Holy Spirit from heaven. The order is reversed in the New Covenant. A person receives the Holy Spirit upon conversion, and then believers often declare their conversion to their friends and family through a water baptism ceremony. Which baptism makes you a member of Christ’s Church? The New Covenant conversion process is described below. (Born-again) Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (A person must “hear” the Gospel, and “believe” the Gospel, and will then be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit.) Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (See Jer. 31:34 for the New Covenant promise, and 1 John 2:27 for the fulfillment) ============ Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says? What did Peter say below? Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage? Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (See 1 Cor. 12:13) “baptize” KJV Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Water or Holy Spirit?, See Eph. 1-13.) Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (See Eph. 4:1-5) Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Old Covenant ----> New Covenant) How many people have been saved by the Old Covenant water baptism of John the Baptist? Who did John the Baptist say is the greatest Baptist that ever lived in Luke 3:16? What kind of New Covenant baptism comes from Christ? Hebrews 9:10 Old Covenant vs. New Covenant (CSB) They are physical regulations and only deal with food, drink, and various washings imposed until the time of the new order. (ESV) but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. (ESV+) but deal only with R5food and drink and R6various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. (Geneva) Which only stood in meates and drinkes, and diuers washings, and carnal rites, which were inioyned, vntill the time of reformation. (GW) These gifts and sacrifices were meant to be food, drink, and items used in various purification ceremonies. These ceremonies were required for the body until God would establish a new way of doing things. (KJV) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (KJV+) Which stood onlyG3440 inG1909 meatsG1033 andG2532 drinks,G4188 andG2532 diversG1313 washings,G909 andG2532 carnalG4561 ordinances,G1345 imposedG1945 on them untilG3360 the timeG2540 of reformation.G1357 (NKJV) concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation. (NLT) For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies-physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established. (YLT) only in victuals, and drinks, and different baptisms, and fleshly ordinances-till the time of reformation imposed upon them
we are baptized in both water and spirit. There are multiple kinds of baptism in the age of grace established by Paul which is for us. The water baptism is not essential for our salvation. What’s important is the idea that our past selves die, and we take on a new life like Christs death and resurrection.
@@Tguchi26 I was "born of water" during 1955 right after my mother said... "My water just broke." Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
I certainly gain so much understanding from what you speak and as being raised Catholic I keep going back and forth from listening to the Catholic apologists you have engaged with along with others and at 71 years old I’ve spent the past 3 years trying to land somewhere ! If I go the Catholicism I feel stuck and probably have to go to confession every day lol but when my 100 yr old mom and sister are wearing out the rosary beads and holding strong traditions it’s tough Gavin . I love the apologists on both sides , help 😅 oh by the way my wife is Baptist we get along perfectly
Thank you for sharing brother. Listen to this a couple times. Love to hear more of your third point. Regards to disentanglement and possibly unity on this third point with the theological perspective of theopathy.
Excellent point. I was attending a church for a couple years where you never know when “the powers that be” move a Pastor to another city/congregation. In the Baptist church, if there isn’t enough authentic Bible study etc by the Pastor, I would find another congregation whose Pastor is digging deep. Choice is great.
I'm attending a Baptist college and my history class yesterday covered the rise and influence of Constanine so this felt like a very timely piece considering how much that seems to have lead to the doctrines which we differ from as Baptists today.
Hi, Dr. Ortlund. I have a question related to Baptists specifically and catholicity. I am certainly persuaded that the Reformers were performing a renewal/recovery movement within the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church, rather than starting a "new" thing. The Magisterial Reformed, Lutheran, and Anglican seem to fit this view. However, I struggle to see how Baptists can lay claim to this tradition given their unique ecclesiology/sacramentology, as well as their general rejection of historic liturgical forms of worship. I am a Baptist myself, but I struggle to see how we can view ourselves as possessing a continuity with church history in the same sense as an Anglican or Lutheran, for example, given these significant differences. Many of your videos on Protestantism seem to work better for the other Protestant traditions than for ours. Do you have any thoughts on this or resources to point me towards? Thanks for your work!
I'm unsure if this relates to your comment, but I will put it out there anyway. As a non-Christian, I am puzzled by the concept of a renewal/recovery of the one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. No matter how you slice it, a large portion of protestants seem to agree with the premise that the Church as established by Christ fell apart not long after the death of the last Apostle, and therefore, the "true gospel" needed "restoration." Why is this significant? The undeniable implication of this historical view is that what the Son of God Himself established did not survive, but what was established by some other non-Incarnate man did. In the case of Mormons, it is Joseph Smith, who they consider a prophet. For Seventh-Day Adventists, it is Ellen G. White. For other protestants, it's one of the "reformers" of the 16th century. To me, this means that which was restored by mere men has managed to last at least 500 years, while that which was established by God in the Flesh, Jesus Christ, hardly made it past the end of the first century before it became corrupt. How could mere men succeed, and the God-man got it all wrong? Does not this view necessarily elevate the creature above the Creator?
Used to be a Baptist, now Catholic. Love Gavin. People should go watch his debate with Trent Horn and study these issues and the history of the Church.
Sad to hear this Brother.... The Roman Catholic Church is leading So Many Astray Right NOW... ALL in preparation for the One World Ecumenical Religion...Its been in preparation by the Satanic Luciferians for centuries... Unfortunately you ARE Decieved my Friend as ARE 47 people who like youre comment .. People WAKE UP!!!!!..."God Forbids us to make Graven images and Bow down to them?..(Exodus 20 :4-5). Or 'make " enquiries of the dead".. Deut 18/ 10-12 ... Both are An Abomination to the LORD!? That immediately contradicts The Saints, Pope and Mary? That is Only the Beginning...I HUMBLY Urge Us ALL...😔 " Be as Wise As Serpents and As Gentle As Doves".. Satan Himself comes as An Angel of Light" 😪😔🙏💖
@@robertoflores2786 I didn't give up anything the Bible says in James "a man is justified not by faith alone but by faith and works". That is something all early Christians believed and not until 1500 years later was your false doctrine created. Whatever Church you are in, I suggest leaving immediately brother because they are teaching you unbiblical teachings ❤️🙏
Nice video! This isn't going to change me being a Lutheran, but nice to hear your reasoning nonetheless. Also, as others have said, the new intro is snappy. I like it!
Love this! As an Anabaptist, I am in line with pretty much all of this. However, just wanted to say that the Anabaptists taught separation of church and state in the 16th century, before the baptists.
Dr Ortland, I’m a big fan of yours! I have one question, however: in your claim that the early church practiced believer’s baptism, would you address the issue of baptismal regeneration? I believe the early church held to that belief despite its practice of credobaptism.
Well done, helpful, concise explanation! Since I was Presbyterian in high school and college I would love to hear more on point 2: congregationalism. Don’t know if you’ve done a video on that but maybe I’ll do some searching.
I have been an American Baptist all my life. The emphasis on local congregational governance, freedom of conscience and freedom of Biblical interpretation have sustained my Christianity and are the best things about being a Baptist. My church is now part of the Evergreen Region where all people are welcome period. There is no discrimination and no one is judged for who they are. All are loved and all are welcome. All who come belong.
As a Cathiolic, I appreciate your thoughtful responses. I would love to hear a thoughtful take on the Marian Apparations: Guadalupe and Fatima specifically. I have not heard an honest take on these events from a protestant.
That would be interesting. I've only heard one take from protestants, and that's largely explained by demons. I'm not Catholic either, but that no longer satisfies me. I don't know what to think. There have been some Mary sightings by individual people in terrible distress that always made me wonder. One was in a book, "Michelle Remembers". This was a girl raised in a Satanic cult from a toddler, when her cultist mother gave her up to be groomed in horrific rituals to raise the devil. She somehow always believed in God, though the cult was careful to shelter her from any knowledge of God. In a satanic ritual, they raised the devil out of a fire. Mary appeared to her, as the kind and loving mother she never had. I've never known what to make of that. I believe her story. I've had that book a few times, and read it at least twice. Everyone always wants to borrow it, then they lend it to someone else. I never get them back, but just as well. Read it a few times and wouldn't want to read it again I don't think. The end is wonderful and redemptive, but the details are beyond horrifying.
What would you consider to be an honest take on these events? Would it only be one that fully embraces them? Could you consider scepticism of Marian apparitions to be an honest take?
I would be agnostic on them myself: like I was with the Shroud of Turin but the Shroud of Turin seems to be gaining more evidence as to its authenticity as I watch more videos about it. Saw a video from Africa about Mary appearing on the front church wall : it looked totally faked and just a fuzzy Statue image of a woman projected on the wall from a window by the sun. That was taped from inside the church during a service! Catholics are investigating but I have doubts about this as it seems only to be Mary who keeps appearing to Roman Catholics / Orthodox.
@Andrew Lawrence I hope for an honest and thorough take on the events. I imagine it would be skeptical, I just want it to be well researched and nuanced.
Great summary, Dr. Ortlund! I would like to know more about seperation of church from the state though. I'm less convinced about strict secularisation especially in the way that non-believers argue it. After all, I would say even talking about inalienable rights would imply Christian thinking and at least some denomination's views creeping into government. It is almost as if any activist would drag their church with them into government.
Good to You Sir. I am also a Baptist from the Philippines. I wanted to know more about the origin of Baptist tradition and from whom we trace our roots in the reformation. Can you recommend a book that would help me in this study. Thank you. Your videos are a great help for me
Ha, they got you too....Baptist are for white folks in the south of America. These protestants are out there in your country to get those unknowing Catholics, that country is a rich harvest to fill their slowly diminishing congregations.
I must admit I’m curious what a Baptist service like Gavin’s looks like. I feel like a lot of seekers are drawn to seeing orthodoxy and Catholicism in practice on CZcams. I myself in a very humble and generous way have been very curious to what Gavin sees as “right praise.” Id love to see a service breakdown that’s in line with this!
Thanks for the work Dr Ortland. I’m a baptist but recently I have found some inner struggle on the last point of this video . Should we then conform to a a secular or pagan government ? Wouldn’t we want to bring Christ on every aspect of our society?. If you have the time please take some seconds to let me know your thoughts.
I'm thankful for this straight-forward video. Of the three points you identify, as a member of the Evangelical Free Church, the issue of congregationalism is the one that I continue mulling over. On one hand, there is good evidence in the NT for elected officials within the Church and congregations carrying out discipline. On the other hand, there is a strong unity between congregations as organized clusters of church (IE: The church of Rome) and quality control over them (apostles/apostolic men). As such, the concept of a tiny "independent church" that starts as an isolated group of believers electing its own officials without the blessing of neighboring churches seems to open the door for all kinds of problems today. Do you have any thoughts on this? Is pastor of "random church A" as equally valid as confirmed pastor of "denominational church B"? You could escalate this up a level in hierarchy to evaluate denominations themselves.
That's interesting. Thank you. Here in England Baptists don't tend to describe believers' baptism as a sacrament but rather as an ordinance, so as not to imply that the act of water baptism is a means of grace in and of itself. Maybe it's different in North America?
Used to be Anglo-Catholic. Now warmly been received into a local Baptist church and couldn't be happier. Love this channel.
I'm Cath & I love Ortland. The sort of serious & charitable discourse he fosters--beyond the familiar ubiquitous caricatures--is really helpful & important in building up better understanding between each other in my opinion.
I also appreciate you as a Catholic not calling me a heretic as some traditional Catholics have done on Trent Horn's channel .
We need more dialogue and less stone throwing from both sides.
Thanks for watching Frank!
Thank you for distancing yourself from past popes opinions.
@@davidjanbaz7728 sorry I missed this, David, if any Cath ever calls you that, point them to the Cath “Decree on Ecumenicism” (Unitatis redintegratio), as Caths, they’re obliged to give it assent, it doesn’t call our separated Christian brethren “heretics.” It says Caths should acknowledge that non-Cath-Christians, through faith in Christ, have salvific grace too. It isn’t the 17th Century anymore. If someone is being saved by grace through faith in Christ, all the sincere debates ought to begin from an acknowledgement of that imo.
@@davidjanbaz7728as a lutheran who prays to saints, i agree heavily
I love seeing you present your own positive case for being a Baptist. This is a great direction to go
It's nice to see the historic Baptist tradition being intellectually defended, albeit briefly. I'm very curious about the history of my own tradition. I hope you can do more videos about it, but you always have your plate full, so I understand if you can't. Over these last few months, your work has blessed me, and is still blessing me. God bless you, Gavin!
So glad my work has blessed you!! I will consider maybe doing a longer video on the origins of the Baptist tradition. That is a fascinating area. Lots of people unfortunately don't realize that Baptist and Anabaptist are different.
If you want to learn more about Church tradition, you should learn about the early church. They didn't keep Baptist traditions on baptism. They taught things the Baptist Church rejects. This is why I don't hold to their interpretation of scripture.
It deviates historically from Church normative on baptism teaching.
@@dman7668They also taught things the Baptist church affirms. The Early Church Fathers did not unilaterally teach the exact same thing. You make it sound like the Church Fathers had one, exclusive, uniform way that things should be and their writings don’t show that.
@yosiyyahu.bar.stephen
I am sorry, but you are misinformed here. The early Church Father's were unanimous on a view on baptism that does contradict the Baptist church.
Catholic friend here, love the approach of defending what you believe, rather than attacking what you don’t believe. 👍🏻
A person must be “baptized” to be saved, but it has nothing to do with water. The proof is found below.
Old Covenant Baptism vs. New Covenant Baptism (water vs. Spirit)
Water baptism was a part of the Old Covenant system of ritual washing. The Old Covenant priests had to wash before beginning their service in the temple. (Ex. 30:17-30) When Christ was water baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, He was under the Old Covenant system. He also only ate certain foods, and wore certain clothes, as prescribed by the 613 Old Covenant laws. Christ was water baptized by John and then the Holy Spirit came from heaven. (Acts 10:38) The order is reversed in the New Covenant. A person receives the Holy Spirit upon conversion, and then believers often declare their conversion to their friends and family through a water baptism ceremony. Which baptism makes you a member of Christ’s Church?
The New Covenant conversion process is described below. (Born-again)
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(A person must “hear” the Gospel, and “believe” the Gospel, and will then be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit.)
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(See Jer. 31:34 for the New Covenant promise, and 1 John 2:27 for the fulfillment)
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Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says?
What did Peter say below?
Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 1:5, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water/ every time they read the word "baptize" in the text.
Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?
Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (See 1 Cor. 12:13)
“baptize” KJV
Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Water or Holy Spirit?, See Eph. 1-13.)
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (See Eph. 4:1-5)
Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Old Covenant ----> New Covenant)
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Yes but you can't do one without doing the other
A lot less lucrative, unfortunately
@@josephmccracken8286 You absolutely can
@@MadMaxxShortz no you can't
Thank you Gavin! I am High Church Lutheran but I really appreciate your pov, even if I don't always agree. You exhibit the fruits of the Spirit and your peaceful soul is very appealing and needed in an age of contention and in-fighting. May you and your ministry be blessed.
I'm just finding this channel, but definitely benefitting from it. I wish the commenter I always see going into Roman Catholocism or Eastern Orthodoxy would seek out Lutheranism instead. You get the good they're seeking with a far far better theology.
I’m a fellow Baptist and reformed brother in college right now. Love what you’re doing for God’s Kingdom. God bless
thanks, glad to be connected to you!
Nice, me too.
As a Catholic I have always apreiciated the Baptist traditions love for christ and scripture..Yes can disagree some things but united in yours...Your congregation is lucky to you...Christ body the Church needs more humble and chartitable guys like uou..
Thank you, brother. I appreciate the efforts towards sanctity and charity from the Catholic Church. We need to be united in Christ.
As someone who was raised Anglican but is now Baptist, I would love a longer video on Baptist church history. I asked my husband who Baptists' "person" was--you know, how Lutherans have Luther, Anglicans have Cramner, Presbyterians have Calvin--and my husband cheekily told me John the Baptist. I laughed, but then found I was really curious about the history of this movement because I just didn't know.
@amandaleighbump2161 I’m baptist thinking about becoming Anglican. I’d love to hear why you became baptist
Baptist terminology Not found in the Bible
Altar Call
Age of accountability
Total depravity of man
Ask Jesus into your heart
Rapture
Invisibile church
Clothed in the righteousness of Christ
Accept Christ as your personal Lord and
saviour
Enthroning the Bible in your heart
Personal interpretation of scriptures (1 Pt 2)
Faith Alone (James 2:24)
Scripture Alone (2Thess )
Celebtating Christmas
Remembering Good Friday
Celebrating Easter
The Gospel is a 'simple message'
@@johncolvin1283 One big reason was that I married a Baptist! 😂 That's not my only reason though: I'm a Baptist primarily because I hold to believer's baptism. I have also become increasingly convinced of the wisdom of congregational church polity. I consider myself a "high church" Baptist though and still have great love and affection for the Anglican church and for the Book of Common Prayer.
@IHS333 this is a huge misrepresentation of what baptists believe overall. Not to mention just bc words aren't found in scripture doesn't mean the idea that the word is used to encompass isn't. The terms bible and trinity aren't used in scripture yet they are important terms to the faith. I hope you actually look into what baptist doctrines are and what Baptists actually believe about those doctrines
John Smyth in England in the 17th Century started the Baptist movement as a break-a-away from The Church of England but if you're looking for a key charismatic character in the history of the Baptist movement then I expect Charles Spurgeon would be your man along with 'his Bible', which took America by storm (and still does I believe).
We went to seminary together and lived in the same building for awhile but I didn't know you were Baptist. At the time I was looking for a believers Baptist at Covenant to compare notes with as that is my background. Now I am attending a Missouri Synod Lutheran Church. At any rate I have been listening to some of your videos and appreciate the Christlike attitude in your arguments.
Thanks BJ! I remember you, its great to make contact!
Reformed Baptist here from South Africa. Love ALL of your content. Please keep them coming. 😊👌🏻
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As a Baptist , this was concise and spot on , Thank you Dr Ortlund
Amen!
The only issue is that Baptists ignore parts of the bible. I agree with most of it but not the part about being saved. Baptists believe that all you have to believe in Jesus and you are automatically saved which is not true. The only time the bible says faith alone is in James 2:24 "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.”
@@MiniWalshJunior Ephesians 2:8 for by grace you are saved and that not of yourselves, not by works, it is the gift of God. Baptist believe works are followed by true salvation. people who say they are saved but never produce fruit are not Christians. its common for people to misunderstand Baptist and think they are saying the claim is sufficient to be saved, but that is not true
@@benjaminwatt2436 So you agree that faith alone is useless and that faith without works is dead?
@@MiniWalshJunior Faith with out works is a clear sign that someone is not Christian. Faith alone does bring us into the correct relationship with Christ, and if we die in that moment we will enter heaven, just like the thief on the cross. It is Christ sacrifice that saves. After one is saved works follow out of obligation to our commitment to Christ, but not to achieve salvation. it can be compared to marriage. Once I am married i will conduct myself as one who is not single, not because acting married makes me married, but because i entered into that relationship. it is my obligation.
The difference between you and other Christian CZcamsrs is that I trust you. I often look things up and read books you mention but your whole aura just says trust.
Love this short format btw
Great video! As a (Charismatic) Baptist myself, this was a concentrated and helpful list of good reasons for belonging to the Baptist tradition.
Shorter 5 minute videos sounds like a good complement to your more in-depth videos. Also, the new graphics are cool. God bless you 🙏
thanks Samuel!
Hmm, I thought the terms charismatic and Baptist were kind of antithetical to each other. Baptist seems to have a wider swathe than I know, but I thought Baptists were pretty firmly cessationists. I've heard ex Baptists talk about when miracles really started to happen in their lives and speaking in tongues happened, totally w/out them seeking it since they were taught it was of the devil. Then they tried to share those experiences w/ other Baptists and were practically shunned.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 They're not the norm but they do exist. There aren't a lot of absolute universals among baptists beyond believers' baptism.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 as a Baptist, my experience has been that many of these churches accept the gifts of the Spirit, but operate as practical cecessionists. One bright exception has been a Baptist mega church in my city. The leadership felt the Spirit was calling them into intensive prayer for revival, etc. this was about nine months prior to the Asbury revival. They suspended all Wednesday activities. They have seen the gifts of the spirit in operation and have had about 300 baptisms in the last year.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 Ready to Harvest channel can open your eyes to many smaller Baptist denominations that do have all the gifts of the Spirit:
I come from a limited Baptist view of what gifts are still operating today.
But this issue has split many Baptist churches in the past!
Gavin, thank you for your clear, concise, and gracious presentation of baptist theology. You have become a trusted voice in an anxious world. Thank you for what you're doing.
Experiencing full immersion baptism as an adult is wonderful. A highlight of my life and a valid argument.
my baptism was one of the most joyful moments of my life. I cannot explain it, it was just so powerful.
@@TruthUnites exactomundo! I have a suspicion that was the Holy Spirit blessing us 😊
Yes it is beautiful, but the reality is the early Church didn't always baptize in this manner, and it doesn't make baptism invalid.
Love for my baptist brothers in Christ.
Glory to our beautiful Triune God.
Thanks and keep going for your great work. May our Triune God bless you !
I would love to see Gavin do some videos on early Baptist history.
Thank you Gavin for your insights. I am a Conservative Baptist - but like you I appreciate the fellowship of all believers. I come from generations of pastors, teachers and missionaries. I found the Lord in Sunday School at the age of Seven. I can still see clearly and re-experience that joy just by remembering my child-like acceptance of needing God to forgive my sins and accept that Christ died on the cross for me. I then wanted to know why I couldn't share in the communion during the Church Service as I had Jesus in my heart too. My parents graduated from Nyack and three Uncles from Wheaton and I graduated from BIOLA. Your messages give me joy and renew my interest in furthering my desire to delve deeper into the "Reasons Why we believe. I will be praying for God's Hand to Bless your ministry.
5 minute approach is great. I like it a lot. Please do more. Thanks!
Finally, the video that everyone has been waiting for. These three arguments seem to be good enough for further discussions.
As a young person growing up in a Conservative Baptist Association church: I can identify with everything you said as All those ideas were prominent in our Association.
I also wrote a paper on J. Hus in my church history class at Biola University.
very cool! Glad you are doing work on Hus.
Love this format! As far as feedback, and this is so ironic coming from me because I always forget to put things in the description, but for points where you already have videos, it would be great to link to those! Then, these videos can serve even more efficiently as gateways to the long-form discussions.
thank you! great idea.
Good video Dr. Ortlund! An unexpected consequence of your being a Baptist who teaches church history is that I can share your videos with “low church” Protestants without the risk of being put off if you were Anglican or Lutheran.
Blessed by your work as always. God bless! 🙂
That is great, glad its useful Roger!
As a dispensational Baptist I am very much in agreement with these reasons of Why I am a Baptist.
Dispensational premillennialism is an invention of John Darby in 1830.
Thank You Gavin, Many blessings to you and your family, from Bethlehem❤️
You are a boon to the Baptist tradition Gavin. I love the shorter videos my ADD appreciates it.
Just discovered your channel today and I love it! I especially appreciate all the church history you talk about
glad to be connected!
You should also check out the Church history that was in place before the Baptist Church. The early Church so believed in baptismal regeneration and the concept of baptism washing away sins. This is what the Church taught on this subject. Baptism washing sins away by Infusion with God's grace obtained on the cross is the normative understanding of baptism.
Not what the Baptist Church says about it later. This is what lead me to reject what the Baptist Church teaches. I cannot easily ignore that this wasn't what the Christians believed in the early Church.
Thank you for continuing to make these coherent, historically supported arguments. Useful to engaging with our brothers and sisters in other traditions.
MIKE! glad to see you found Gavin Ortlund on CZcams. He’s one of my favorite guys on the internet (ever).
@@ethanwormell4812 thank you, Mike and Ethan!
@@ethanwormell4812 A dear friend and brother pointed me in his direction a year or more ago. Been hooked ever since. Gavin is a refreshing and much needed change from the Jack Chick flavor of Protestantism that is all too familiar. I have learned a great deal about my faith from good Catholic brothers but until one of them (ironic!) told me about Truth Unites, I'd lacked a resource for learning about the Reformation's roots in the ancient church. I can't get enough!
Please hit the bell, this teacher deserve more students 🔔
Great format, I really like this idea for a series. Your ministry has been a tremendous blessing to me, keep it up!
So glad to hear that, Austin!
Great idea to compliment your longer videos with these shorter, more abridged versions. Love it.
Thanks Steve!
Loved this wonderful short reason for being a baptist. I will keep it as a resource for those who are interested because it was so concise and clear. Thanks Gavin!
awesome, so glad its useful!
I love the longer videos, but this is a great format, very helpful!
Thank you for the video. I enjoyed getting your insight behind your view. Also, a lot of your work on Roman Catholicism was very helpful and pointed me to even more resources.
The short format is fine. I just prefer the greater detail that comes with the hour-long video. I keep meaning to tell you that I really appreciate the work that you're doing and making it available to those of us who don't have the time or ability to do the work ourselves.
Thanks Charles, so glad its useful. Don't worry, this is a both-and. Long videos will continue.
Thank you. You videos are very helpful. I'm a Baptist from Belarus.
Yessir my brother Baptist pastor
I’ve been in a Baptist church my entire life and I never heard someone articulate our beliefs like that. If fact, nobody ever told us why we were Baptist. I like it!
1:40. YES! Completely agree! We even see this in 1 Clement, where this letter to the church at Corinth reminds them to be accountable to THEIR elder-bishops, not the elder-bishops at the church of Rome.
Ofc because Rome has only an overseer role, but the local bishops and elders are ruling these places, in accord with the bishop of Rome and the local patriarch/bishop
Protestantism is blasphemous heresy.
Stellar summary, Gavin. Keep up the good work.
As a Baptist this video is a great beginning to Baptist beliefs.
I used to be baptist, but recently became more convinced of covenant theology and peadobaptism. I've seen just as much damage in congregational churches are they're accountable to nothing but themselves. I think "non-denominational" is very harmful for the church in my opinion.
Great video, thanks for sharing your views!
Old Covenant Baptism vs. New Covenant Baptism (water vs. Spirit)
Water baptism was a part of the Old Covenant system of ritual washing. The Old Covenant priests had to wash before beginning their service in the temple. (Ex. 30:17-30) When Christ was water baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, He was under the Old Covenant system. He also only ate certain foods, and wore certain clothes, as prescribed by the 613 Old Covenant laws. Christ was water baptized by John and then received the Holy Spirit from heaven. The order is reversed in the New Covenant. A person receives the Holy Spirit upon conversion, and then believers often declare their conversion to their friends and family through a water baptism ceremony. Which baptism makes you a member of Christ’s Church?
The New Covenant conversion process is described below. (Born-again)
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(A person must “hear” the Gospel, and “believe” the Gospel, and will then be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit.)
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(See Jer. 31:34 for the New Covenant promise, and 1 John 2:27 for the fulfillment)
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Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says?
What did Peter say below?
Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text.
Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?
Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (See 1 Cor. 12:13)
“baptize” KJV
Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Water or Holy Spirit?, See Eph. 1-13.)
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (See Eph. 4:1-5)
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Old Covenant ----> New Covenant)
How many people have been saved by the Old Covenant water baptism of John the Baptist?
Who did John the Baptist say is the greatest Baptist that ever lived in Luke 3:16? What kind of New Covenant baptism comes from Christ?
Hebrews 9:10 Old Covenant vs. New Covenant
(CSB) They are physical regulations and only deal with food, drink, and various washings imposed until the time of the new order.
(ESV) but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.
(ESV+) but deal only with R5food and drink and R6various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.
(Geneva) Which only stood in meates and drinkes, and diuers washings, and carnal rites, which were inioyned, vntill the time of reformation.
(GW) These gifts and sacrifices were meant to be food, drink, and items used in various purification ceremonies. These ceremonies were required for the body until God would establish a new way of doing things.
(KJV) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
(KJV+) Which stood onlyG3440 inG1909 meatsG1033 andG2532 drinks,G4188 andG2532 diversG1313 washings,G909 andG2532 carnalG4561 ordinances,G1345 imposedG1945 on them untilG3360 the timeG2540 of reformation.G1357
(NKJV) concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.
(NLT) For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies-physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established.
(YLT) only in victuals, and drinks, and different baptisms, and fleshly ordinances-till the time of reformation imposed upon them
One point of inter-church relationships is that if one church goes completely off the rails, the others can/should step in to correct them.
we are baptized in both water and spirit. There are multiple kinds of baptism in the age of grace established by Paul which is for us. The water baptism is not essential for our salvation. What’s important is the idea that our past selves die, and we take on a new life like Christs death and resurrection.
@@Tguchi26 I was "born of water" during 1955 right after my mother said... "My water just broke."
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
One of the few channels I’ve actually “Hit the Bell Icon”
Great little explanation! Thank you!
I certainly gain so much understanding from what you speak and as being raised Catholic I keep going back and forth from listening to the Catholic apologists you have engaged with along with others and at 71 years old I’ve spent the past 3 years trying to land somewhere ! If I go the Catholicism I feel stuck and probably have to go to confession every day lol but when my 100 yr old mom and sister are wearing out the rosary beads and holding strong traditions it’s tough Gavin . I love the apologists on both sides , help 😅 oh by the way my wife is Baptist we get along perfectly
may the Lord guide you and give you peace and direction, Mike! Bless you.
Excellent video! It was succinct and easy to follow. Thank you for the good content.
I like the series layout!
Hey I really love this style of video, I think they will be especially beneficial when paired with some of the longer format videos
Thank you for sharing brother. Listen to this a couple times. Love to hear more of your third point. Regards to disentanglement and possibly unity on this third point with the theological perspective of theopathy.
Amen, brother. Very helpful. Thank you.
Excellent point. I was attending a church for a couple years where you never know when “the powers that be” move a Pastor to another city/congregation. In the Baptist church, if there isn’t enough authentic Bible study etc by the Pastor, I would find another congregation whose Pastor is digging deep. Choice is great.
I'm attending a Baptist college and my history class yesterday covered the rise and influence of Constanine so this felt like a very timely piece considering how much that seems to have lead to the doctrines which we differ from as Baptists today.
Love Baptist ❤️brought up in the First Baptist Church
I love this 5-minute format, great idea!
Hi, Dr. Ortlund. I have a question related to Baptists specifically and catholicity. I am certainly persuaded that the Reformers were performing a renewal/recovery movement within the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church, rather than starting a "new" thing. The Magisterial Reformed, Lutheran, and Anglican seem to fit this view. However, I struggle to see how Baptists can lay claim to this tradition given their unique ecclesiology/sacramentology, as well as their general rejection of historic liturgical forms of worship.
I am a Baptist myself, but I struggle to see how we can view ourselves as possessing a continuity with church history in the same sense as an Anglican or Lutheran, for example, given these significant differences. Many of your videos on Protestantism seem to work better for the other Protestant traditions than for ours. Do you have any thoughts on this or resources to point me towards?
Thanks for your work!
I'm unsure if this relates to your comment, but I will put it out there anyway. As a non-Christian, I am puzzled by the concept of a renewal/recovery of the one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. No matter how you slice it, a large portion of protestants seem to agree with the premise that the Church as established by Christ fell apart not long after the death of the last Apostle, and therefore, the "true gospel" needed "restoration." Why is this significant? The undeniable implication of this historical view is that what the Son of God Himself established did not survive, but what was established by some other non-Incarnate man did. In the case of Mormons, it is Joseph Smith, who they consider a prophet. For Seventh-Day Adventists, it is Ellen G. White. For other protestants, it's one of the "reformers" of the 16th century. To me, this means that which was restored by mere men has managed to last at least 500 years, while that which was established by God in the Flesh, Jesus Christ, hardly made it past the end of the first century before it became corrupt. How could mere men succeed, and the God-man got it all wrong? Does not this view necessarily elevate the creature above the Creator?
More videos of church history please. God bless!
Amen to all three! Sad to hear about Charles Stanley…loved listening to him….”now listen!” 😌
Used to be a Baptist, now Catholic. Love Gavin. People should go watch his debate with Trent Horn and study these issues and the history of the Church.
Why would you go backwards? How can you accept papal infallibility and Marion dogma?
Sad to hear this Brother.... The Roman Catholic Church is leading So Many Astray Right NOW... ALL in preparation for the One World Ecumenical Religion...Its been in preparation by the Satanic Luciferians for centuries... Unfortunately you ARE Decieved my Friend as ARE 47 people who like youre comment .. People WAKE UP!!!!!..."God Forbids us to make Graven images and Bow down to them?..(Exodus 20 :4-5). Or 'make " enquiries of the dead".. Deut 18/ 10-12 ... Both are An Abomination to the LORD!?
That immediately contradicts The Saints, Pope and Mary?
That is Only the Beginning...I HUMBLY Urge Us ALL...😔
" Be as Wise As Serpents and As Gentle As Doves".. Satan Himself comes as An Angel of Light" 😪😔🙏💖
So you gave up justification by faith alone and the assurance of Christ’s finished work for dogmas the early church never would have even thought of…?
@@robertoflores2786 I didn't give up anything the Bible says in James "a man is justified not by faith alone but by faith and works". That is something all early Christians believed and not until 1500 years later was your false doctrine created. Whatever Church you are in, I suggest leaving immediately brother because they are teaching you unbiblical teachings ❤️🙏
@@robertoflores2786 why do you care ? Happy for you man @jenny I was Calvinist became Methodist
Looking forward to more!
Nice video! This isn't going to change me being a Lutheran, but nice to hear your reasoning nonetheless.
Also, as others have said, the new intro is snappy. I like it!
Do the 5 minute series!!!
I love this!
Thx for your honesty Dr Ortland! Now my turn - Why I'm Catholic: Jesus, The Eucharist, & John 14:23 !
Love this! As an Anabaptist, I am in line with pretty much all of this. However, just wanted to say that the Anabaptists taught separation of church and state in the 16th century, before the baptists.
Very helpful. Thank you for putting this together.
I love these videos
Thank you for sharing a short form video this time.
Hey, this is great! I like the idea of having shorter videos that I can fit into my busy schedule (work, young kids, etc.). Thanks Gavin!
Loved this video, very informative of your position and the baptist tradition.
Great summary. Gratias tibi ago
I am a proud and happy to be Baptist❤
Finally everything seems to come down to your understanding of scripture and Church history. Good for you. God bless you.
Dr Ortland, I’m a big fan of yours! I have one question, however: in your claim that the early church practiced believer’s baptism, would you address the issue of baptismal regeneration? I believe the early church held to that belief despite its practice of credobaptism.
Baptismal regeneration is clearly biblical, but Protestants with a symbolic view of baptism deny it because it’s too sacramental, too Catholic.
I like it. Keep doing this. This was helpful
Very good encouraging every believer to be able to state what sets them apart and how it can enrich others or be enriched.
Well done, helpful, concise explanation! Since I was Presbyterian in high school and college I would love to hear more on point 2: congregationalism. Don’t know if you’ve done a video on that but maybe I’ll do some searching.
haven't done one, will consider, thx
I have been an American Baptist all my life. The emphasis on local congregational governance, freedom of conscience and freedom of Biblical interpretation have sustained my Christianity and are the best things about being a Baptist. My church is now part of the Evergreen Region where all people are welcome period. There is no discrimination and no one is judged for who they are. All are loved and all are welcome. All who come belong.
This is fantastic!
As a Cathiolic, I appreciate your thoughtful responses.
I would love to hear a thoughtful take on the Marian Apparations: Guadalupe and Fatima specifically.
I have not heard an honest take on these events from a protestant.
That would be interesting. I've only heard one take from protestants, and that's largely explained by demons. I'm not Catholic either, but that no longer satisfies me. I don't know what to think. There have been some Mary sightings by individual people in terrible distress that always made me wonder. One was in a book, "Michelle Remembers". This was a girl raised in a Satanic cult from a toddler, when her cultist mother gave her up to be groomed in horrific rituals to raise the devil. She somehow always believed in God, though the cult was careful to shelter her from any knowledge of God. In a satanic ritual, they raised the devil out of a fire. Mary appeared to her, as the kind and loving mother she never had. I've never known what to make of that.
I believe her story. I've had that book a few times, and read it at least twice. Everyone always wants to borrow it, then they lend it to someone else. I never get them back, but just as well. Read it a few times and wouldn't want to read it again I don't think. The end is wonderful and redemptive, but the details are beyond horrifying.
What would you consider to be an honest take on these events? Would it only be one that fully embraces them? Could you consider scepticism of Marian apparitions to be an honest take?
I would be agnostic on them myself: like I was with the Shroud of Turin but the Shroud of Turin seems to be gaining more evidence as to its authenticity as I watch more videos about it.
Saw a video from Africa about Mary appearing on the front church wall : it looked totally faked and just a fuzzy Statue image of a woman projected on the wall from a window by the sun.
That was taped from inside the church during a service!
Catholics are investigating but I have doubts about this as it seems only to be Mary who keeps appearing to Roman Catholics / Orthodox.
@Andrew Lawrence I hope for an honest and thorough take on the events. I imagine it would be skeptical, I just want it to be well researched and nuanced.
Catholic here, keep in mind that Marian apparitions are considered private revelation and are not required to be believed in order to be Catholic.
I do like the series.
Great summary, Dr. Ortlund! I would like to know more about seperation of church from the state though. I'm less convinced about strict secularisation especially in the way that non-believers argue it. After all, I would say even talking about inalienable rights would imply Christian thinking and at least some denomination's views creeping into government. It is almost as if any activist would drag their church with them into government.
Gavin, would you consider these second or third tier issues? Could you in good conscience be an Anglican, Lutheran, or Presbyterian?
I do appreciate the shorter videos. I like hearing your thoughts but it CAN be a lot sometimes so thank you
Love this format!!!
Great video!
Thank you😊
Hi Gavin, any books you can recommend for studying early church baptism? Thanks.
Gavin, can you do a video and show how church being involved in the political governing has gone wrong throughout history?
I wondered why you are a calvinist. Would've loved your reasons for that.
GOD bless
Good to You Sir. I am also a Baptist from the Philippines. I wanted to know more about the origin of Baptist tradition and from whom we trace our roots in the reformation. Can you recommend a book that would help me in this study. Thank you. Your videos are a great help for me
Ha, they got you too....Baptist are for white folks in the south of America. These protestants are out there in your country to get those unknowing Catholics, that country is a rich harvest to fill their slowly diminishing congregations.
I must admit I’m curious what a Baptist service like Gavin’s looks like. I feel like a lot of seekers are drawn to seeing orthodoxy and Catholicism in practice on CZcams. I myself in a very humble and generous way have been very curious to what Gavin sees as “right praise.” Id love to see a service breakdown that’s in line with this!
His church streams it’s services on YT. Not hard to find
@@toddvoss52 what’s his church called?
Completely agree with everything said here. Maybe I'm a Baptist and don't even know it lol. I consider myself non-denominational.
Agreed!!!!
That's basically a Baptist.
Thanks for the work Dr Ortland. I’m a baptist but recently I have found some inner struggle on the last point of this video . Should we then conform to a a secular or pagan government ? Wouldn’t we want to bring Christ on every aspect of our society?. If you have the time please take some seconds to let me know your thoughts.
what would be the number 1 book you would recommend for historical Baptist theology?
Love the vids as an anglican with some reformed leanings
I'm thankful for this straight-forward video.
Of the three points you identify, as a member of the Evangelical Free Church, the issue of congregationalism is the one that I continue mulling over. On one hand, there is good evidence in the NT for elected officials within the Church and congregations carrying out discipline. On the other hand, there is a strong unity between congregations as organized clusters of church (IE: The church of Rome) and quality control over them (apostles/apostolic men). As such, the concept of a tiny "independent church" that starts as an isolated group of believers electing its own officials without the blessing of neighboring churches seems to open the door for all kinds of problems today. Do you have any thoughts on this? Is pastor of "random church A" as equally valid as confirmed pastor of "denominational church B"? You could escalate this up a level in hierarchy to evaluate denominations themselves.
Great video! Looking forward to more.
That's interesting. Thank you.
Here in England Baptists don't tend to describe believers' baptism as a sacrament but rather as an ordinance, so as not to imply that the act of water baptism is a means of grace in and of itself. Maybe it's different in North America?
Excellent!
I hit the bell, Gavin.
thanks!