As a Baptist, I have to be nice to Presbyterians, even though we heavily disagree on baptism and who can be a member of the church. Although I disagree with how he views baptists, his calling in the church is very Godly and he has a lot more bravery in going to these heretical churches and actually trying to bring God back into them so I respect his mission even though we disagree on a couple fundamental things across denominations. At the end of the day, we’re both saved, and will have the same eternal life.
@@brandonpennington872 interesting, given that here in the Philippines, Baptists and Presbyterians - especially Korean Presbyterian missionaries - are quite chill with each other.
I’m a Baptist and I agree. From experience reformed baptists tend to be better with this. Another weakness I’ve noticed is that we can be conspiratorial and anti-science with regards to things like modern medicine, (including psychiatry) and evolution. It weakens us and drives people away.
It's an inherent weakness that stems from the hyper individualism. Leads to a lot of people getting their theology through a sort of spiritual consumerism of what's popular in their church or just adopting wholesale what their pastor believes. Also Sunday School classes are slanted towards hermeneutics and evangelism, because you can just prepare a lesson plan and roll with it directly vs. a theological drive through a minefield given that in any given class you might have a huge array of positions and you can't tell anyone what to believe in those matters (see: hyper individualism )
How else are you gonna evangelized if you don't. And evangelism is one of Lord Jesus's Main commands to his disciples. Compliment not intended but I'd take it as much as it was given😅
The author has probably never met the MCGI from the Philippines. Everything they say or do must have basis in the Bible. When they preach, verses after verse after verses are being read and that's more or less 3 hours of speaking and listening to verses.
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!" Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over
@@AndyHernandez-dd9dt Not really. Besides a few crazies (Westbro), a section of those who take secondary doctrine way too seriously (IFB) and those who are in name only (Elevation), most just want to enjoy a good potluck with each other 😁
God bless you, brother. I'm a Baptist missionary focusing on Muslim evangelism in a predominately Orthodox country. I wish more Orthodox people shared your love here. One of the most significant barriers we have in preaching the gospel to Muslims is opposition from Orthodox leaders. It's heartbreaking. We love the Orthodox church. I can't agree on icons, relics, etc, but the Orthodox church was the cradle where the Christian faith began. How could we not love you?
@@andyontheinternet5777 Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously with one another by profaning the covenant of the fathers?
Hey Zoomer, just wanted to say as a Catholic that you have helped me expand my theological knowledge and perspectives on my faith and personal growth in it so much. I truly respect out of all that you’ve done not just for me, but for so many people in bringing them towards the faith we hold close to our hearts. Just wanted to thank you and wish you good luck with the Reconquista. Love ya brother ❤️
@@murilolinsdacruz4110 I was born Catholic and have had skepticisms about the Catholic Faith but here are some of the main reasons I’ve defended it and tried to devote myself to it. - Apostolic Succession - Intellectual Approach - Christology/Theology/Ecclesiology - The connection between Jesus, the Apostles, and the Holy Spirit - Blessings and Miracles - The Church and community of believers is the authority because of how everything stems from it - Proper Balance between Intellect and Emotion I can explain these if you want me to. God Bless 🙏
@@murilolinsdacruz4110I’ll let others actually delve into theology, but consider this: the Catholic Church is the most “catholic,” or universal, of any branch of Christianity. There are 24 Churches within the Catholic Church, including the Latin Church and many Byzantine, Syriac and Alexandrian Churches. You will find a Catholic church almost everywhere on Earth. The Catholic Church is the world’s largest charity, the largest healthcare provider and the largest provider of education worldwide. The Catholic Church also produced the most beautiful art of any civilization ever, like the Padua Baptistery, Notre Dame de Paris, the Sagrada Familia, the Sainte Chapelle, Saint Peter’s Basilica, San Marco’s Basilica and so many more. It’s the oldest institution in the world-you can almost think of it as a multinational before corporations even existed. The Catholic Church has also been an instrument of reason, founding so many monasteries which kept literature and philosophy alive and paved the way for universities and modern science. These points alone aren’t decisive, but they should make you think. As the Bible says, you will know them by their fruits. Also, Maronite Christians in the Middle East who use the language Jesus spoke are Catholics. All Christians in the lands near where our Lord lived are at least very similar to Catholics (various types of Orthodox). Also, the Early Church was clear on the Eucharist. As Christ said, we must eat his body. You can find this Eucharist in the Catholic Church. I hope that was interesting to you, brother. Have a great day and may God Almighty bless you
It's a rare thing and good to see. Considering his general disposition, I'm surprised he doesn't lump baptists in with the heretic cults. Not that I think he should, but his attitude toward them really seems to imply that he'd like to do so.
@@Tyler_Wbecause you only fall into heresy when you remove the deity of Christ, or have a literally different idea of God outside the bible and make up your unbiblical definitions. Baptists are true Christians based on all core tenants and even Zoomer agrees. The main difference are the lack of importance of the structures, infant (or I'd rather call it "premature") baptism, focus on too much tradition but more on learning the gospel, sharing the gospel, and equiping people to share the gospel. As we witness change in people as soon as the gospel is shared, baptism is pretty much just a confirmation of willingness. Baptism is never a certainty of change. Only salvation does that.
Yeah i'd say he didnt even really bash the denomination at all. Just sort of explained exactly what they believe in a way that is very neutral. If I had to nitpick there where a few word choices i'd say should be different but the overall communication here was accurate.
Closest he got was the whole "how did southern Baptists get their name". Although it should be noted that a lot of southern Baptist churches were very abolitionist. But yea he did good
I think Baptist (as a Baptist) is somewhat of a spectrum. I’ve been to some that are extremely low church and more like a non-denom and some are higher church and tend to take communion every service and have more liturgy outside of the typical welcome, 3-4 songs, message, song, announcements, lunch (we take food seriously)
I went to a Baptist church where we recited catechisms and took communion every service. I loved it. Too bad I could only go there for a short time. :(
@@gigahorse1475 my church is highly liturgical, though we only have communion once a month (we practice a closed table). The families do a short catechism and Bible memory during Sunday school, and a longer catechism during the service. We read and sing Psalms every week, and do exclusive expository preaching. It's pretty awesome.
@@gigahorse1475 my church is technically non-denom in the sense that there isn't a denominational name attached to our church, but we're basically Baptist and make no secret of it. We take communion only once a month (that seems to be common everywhere I've seen that isn't Roman Catholic or maybe Lutheran in my experience), but we often sing the doxology and always recite the Constantinopolitan-Nicene Creed afterwards. It's one of the things I greatly appreciate about my church.
I was Lutheran. I got baptized. God made me into a Baptist. I went from falling asleep on the word (couldn't understand) to falling asleep IN the Word. I can't put it down now, and Jesus Christ runs my life.
Former Baptist here became Lutheran! I left because of it’s abusive teachings and embrace the pure Gospel in the Lutheran Church. Go watch a Channel called Bryan Wolfmueller, he has great Videos refuting Baptists false teachings especially on the subjecton Baptism.
@ministeriosemmanuel638 I just mean on the teachings, name titles are just titles, my home church wasn't a very good one. I didn't know I had to make a decision to come to Jesus Christ and to believe on him who HE sent. I just did the motions
@@Markt.400 can I ask one question? Do you think that the early church was actually Baptist in its practices or do you think that they just got things wrong because they misinterpreted scripture?
This is a great survey of Baptists. If you ever wondered why we Baptists have such a huge emphasis on children's ministries, I hope it's clearer why now. One thing about being a Baptist is tolerance for different views on the lower-order theology - your Sunday School class will have differences in soteriology and eschatology all over the place - but the hyper individualism leads to tolerance and understanding. I wish more of the nondenominational churches in the US would cooperate with the SBC. Our mission institutions are established and dedicated to work both here in the US and abroad.
My pastor just took us out of the SBC for a lot of reasons… Our previous pastor of 20 years passed away back in 22. There was not one letter received. No condolences, no help, no nothing. The church still paid its dues and we were forced to find our own replacement who had to figure everything out on his own. He looked into what the SBC does with its cut of the money and was unable to find any clear and/or acceptable answers. We pulled out and now that money which would be going towards paying people’s wages in the SBC is all going directly to helping children get school supplies at our sister church in the phillipines.
The doctrinal variety is a big weakness imo; I'm a Baptist, but at a church with specific commitments on secondary issues. We're to have unity of mind within the church, and having huge doctrinal differences within a church seems to damage the ability of the church to carry out its mission.
@@alexglase765I disagree, as someone who also is very much a Baptist in my theology. If something isn't clear in the Bible, I think that's for a reason and denominations shouldn't be trying to enforce a specific view on people. Like for instance, I'm in the minority as someone who is skeptical of a literal 6-day, 6000 year old, creation but that is something that Christians should be able to disagree on. They're not Baptists but I go to a Restorationist church currently and they have a good motto on this, "in essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love."
@@shevchenko5456 Right. He still has to drop the same Presbyterian-y sneer against Reformed Baptists, who BTW are more historic than the modern SBC-type he focuses on here, and are also covenantal in theology.
RIP Dr. Stanley, you were a real one. I didn't know I had a grandpa-shaped hole until I found Pastor Stanley (I never had a relationship with either grandfather). May he be enjoying heaven with our Lord.
This video really does remind why I have been a Baptist my whole life, and it's comforting to see more baptist around me who have been studying more of church history as well. Great Video man
@@redeemedzoomer6053Someone else maybe? I mean, you posted your journey to the jungle in the 2 hour question video and you also showed your coordinates for a split second so perhaps someone used it to stalk you. Not me, though. I have bedrock.
As a ex catholic now southern baptist. I thank you for clearly explaining our stance. ❤ Peace and ❤ to all my fellow brothers and sisters in CHRIST. no matter your denomination. Well except Methodists
Not hating but I passed a Methodist church last year and the entire outside structure of the church was draped in Pride flags. I mean it looked like a carnival. I knew they were um accepting of alot of things but I literally pulled the car over and my jaw dropped
@@onecrispynugget9959 I was a Methodist because that's what I grew up in...safe to say I'm not sure I would call myself that anymore lol. Not that I left the Methodist church, I'd prefer to say it left me...and Christ.
As a Baptist minister, I approve of this video! This is actually well made. Simple and clear yet nuanced. Thanks for acknowledging our positive contributions to the church catholic!
While it’s true that Baptists have had a huge influence on the country, sometimes it feels like the country and patriotism has had more of an influence on Baptists.
As someone who grew up in the SBC, this is 100% true. I’ve literally been to church services where they showed military propaganda videos on the projector lmao
SBC baptist here Ngl i was a bit worried how this video would go, but looks like another accurate representation video that I started watching this channel for. Also, you nailed the baptist preacher impression. Only thing I noticed is you pointed out PNBC as one of the few times liberals left the conservative denomination and didn't mention cbf. Anyway, really enjoyed the video.
On the connection between Baptists and Nondenominationals, Nondenominationals tend to be either rather Baptist or rather Pentecostal. Source: Ready to Harvest
I go to a small Baptist church in NW Ohio and you hit the nail right on the head. I've been going to a Baptist church for all my life so if anyone has any questions on things that weren't touched on in the video, feel free to reach out. Love the video!
@@centurysince4312 Not to my knowledge, no. The only book that my church and our association reads out of, especially during worship or teaching, is the Bible 😊 Now have members read those works on their own time? Maybe, but I personally haven't. I'll have to check those out!
Do you have a sense on how Baptists feel about the Nicene Creed, especially considering recent events? There’s one line in there that seems to go against Baptist theology.
@@theflightyfairy4811 I'll speak for myself first; I had no idea what the Nicene Creed even was before I started watching Redeemed Zoomer's videos. From what I currently understand, I don't have an issue with the NC but I also haven't dove into the details. As for my church and our association, I have never heard anyone even mention the Nicene Creed before honestly. I guess you'd say we stick to what we know and that is the Bible. We follow it to the utmost degree and its teachings so there is little room for other literature to get discussed.
My church is Independent Fundamental Baptist, I once thought it was a bit rigid in my younger days, but now that I’m almost 40, I realize it is a desire to preserve and protect against the corrosive elements of modern cultures. I must say we are not in the country, but the country became a city around us where we are the traditional country heart on Main Street. I call it an Andy Griffith church, a very warm place with mighty outreach. We are connected to a swath of Independent Californian churches as well. We take missionary discipleship as our pedigree graduation of saints.
Yeah IFBs are great, the only problem I have with them is the KJV issue, but it’s a tertiary thing that only matters to me if someone tries to claim that reading any other version will send you straight to Hell.
I'm not sure if I will remain a Baptist or switch to another denomination, but I think I will always be grateful for my Baptist upbringing because of how much it emphasized the need for me to "own my faith" as the saying goes. Most of my family has a strong faith because of this principle. That is one area in which I feel individualism has actually helped the church. Regardless of denomination, it's important to have a personal faith in Jesus Christ and make him the Lord over your life specifically.
I disagree. Having personal faith in Christ and living a Christian life are made more difficult by individualism. What you're expressing is the result of people using religion for political ends. You can read the writings of how individualism was intentionally tied to Christianity as anti-Soviet propaganda, as communism emphasizes collectivism and atheism. It's similar to the rapture, which is such a widely accepted part of evangelical Christianity in America now but was originally pushed as political propaganda as well. It wasn't because of the rapture itself, but it happened to be part of dispensationalism, which was promoted to get Christians to support Zionism. Don't believe it? Research the history of dispensationalism, the Scofield Study Bible that first promoted it, and the Balfour Declaration. Of course, it's almost impossible to convince anybody of these truths today. Once a new idea has been around for a full generation, meaning there are now adults who first heard the idea as children, it will stop being seen as an idea and become accepted as fact. We saw this effect in action a couple years ago with Roe v Wade being overturned being treated as the denial of constitutional rights, despite Roe v Wade itself declaring there is no right to an abortion. The process that has gotten the majority of Americans to believe there is a right to an abortion in the constitution is the same one that leads Christians to believe the rapture is in the Bible. And the same thing applies to individualism. Christianity is only helped by individualism in the modern mind because modern people have been indoctrinated into believing that since childhood. But take a step back and look at the scriptures - is there ANYTHING to indicate that the body of Christ refers to some invisible group of individual believers? No. The first Christians formed a collective in Acts. Christ told the apostles to celebrate together at the Last Supper. Timothy is admonished to select good leaders and it is groups that need leaders, not individuals. The scriptures warn against division. Paul writes in Corinthians about how to keep a church healthy as a cohesive group. Christ said where his followers gather together he will be in their midst. Christians are told to discuss problems with other Christians and to confess their sins to fellow believers. The Bible says to keep the faith that was handed down, not to draw your own conclusions as an individual. Christ emphasized charity to others consistently. Individualism is an American value that American Christians have confused with being a Christian value. This isn't to say that individualism is entirely incompatible with faith in Christ or anything crazy like that. There has been a Christian tradition of having greatly spiritual hermits and monks who take vows of silence and other such things throughout history. My point is not to criticize individualism. It's about the origin of it. You get your individualism from political philosophy, not from theology. Living in close relationship and community with other believers is the consistent message of scripture. Even where the Bereans are praised for going off on their own to study and using their intellect to conclude the truth of Christianity rather than just believing what they're told, notice that the Bereans do this as a group and then accept Christianity as a group, not as individuals.
@@patrickbarnes9874 brother i'm not saying individualism is always good i'm saying in this one specific situation it's good for people to remember that they should have a personal relationship with Jesus rather than just thinking they're a Christian because they went to church with their family as a kid
Yeah that was a weird argument. Definitely oversimplified. You want to know if it's a high church denomination? Look at the building, they tend to decorate/build things differently based off their views
@@dcoy8666 high church has nothing to to with the size of the building, but about how important is the church as an institution rather than a club-ish of members
Maybe RZ was meditating on Ephesians 4 before he put this video together ;) ...I reckon the body of Christ would be much less schismatic if we all heeded that exhortation
Shout-out in recognizing Dr. Stanley’s work as a Baptist minister. I love listening to his sermons- they are so concise, clear in intent, and always point back to what Jesus did on the cross. See you in Heaven, Dr. Charles Stanley. 🕊️
Zoomer, video idea for you here, since as a new Christian I discovered this very recently. As a new Christian I went looking for information everywhere, sometimes in good places (the bible, your channel) and sometimes bad places. A certain Christian group that starts with a P ends with an L and has entecosta in the middle, led me to believe that the Holy spirit was some feeling, and that if you weren't feeling it, you were doing something wrong, and probably werent saved. This then encourages begging God to "feel" the holy spirit, which at that point disregards the point of God, to be everlastingly amazing, but not able to be seen, that is why faith is required. What I realized, which I believe is true, is that the Holy Spirit is a BEING, that brings certain feelings along with it. I think if you made a video kind of about that and the Holy Spirit in general, it would help out a lot of people. Keep up the good work!
Also a Southern Baptist as well as student of Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. I love this channel, learning more about myself and my own beliefs, while also learning more about Presbyterians and every other denomination too. Church history has become a hobby of mine because of this channel. Thanks, Redeemed Zoomer!
As a Baptist from R. of Moldova (yes we exist) our church are following every aspect u mentioned, except of sacrament, we call it supper, for us it has the meaning of commemorating the crucifixion and as a testimony that you are in a healthy relationship with God, avoiding it is considered a sin in itself.
The bible never says that abstaining from the bread and wine is a sin. It warn's that sometimes not abstaining is a sin 1Co 11:27-29 ESV - Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.
Seen a few of your vids floating around in my recommended off and on and glad I stumbled upon this. From what I can gather you’re not Baptist but you gave us a very fair shake in your presentation. Made my day, and will pray your day is blessed.
@@jedi.in.christ "Reformed" means they wanted to reform the Catholic Church, they had no intention of breaking away from it. So being Reformed in its broadest sense, means infant baptism and that sacraments are a means of grace, and there is still only "one" church with a hierarchical church govt. Originally they espoused that the state should support the church as well. Add to that the covenant theology of calvinism. Therefore no real Baptists can be truly "Reformed. Originally Baptists saw themselves as neither Protestant nor Catholic
@@jedi.in.christ reformed means calvinist, is to believe that people are so evil that they can't even accept Jesus by their own will, but rather God decides for them. It has some implications that tend to sound very foreign for the most christians throughout history like Jesus didn't die for everybody, but only for the people he chose to save, cause those he didn't choose to save, would never accept him by their own will, so they wouldn't be saved. In short they deny free will, the only people they believe who had free will were Adam and Eve
Hello my friend, please don't take this as criticism, cause I have the utmost respect for Baptists like Frank Turek and William Lane Craig, but baptists don't believe in their Nicean Creed, in the part where it says "I believe in one baptism for the remission of the sins", and the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) made news over a discussion they were having whether they should add the nicean creed to their statement of faith to prevent the baptists in their free and authonomous interpretation of the Bible to end up denying the essencials of the faith, but in the end they refused adding it.
We used to! I remember growing up in a SBC church that had the Nicene Creed permanently posted in the vestibule. I don't know what happened in the last 40 years to change that.
A few years ago it became fashionable for progressives to claim black people can't be racist. After a while of being shown numerous examples of black people being racist, instead of dropping the objectively false claim, the progressives went and changed the dictionary definition of the word "racism". That's what Protestants in general do with the creed when claiming they're affirming it. They're not affirming what's written, they're changing the meaning of what's written to agree with their previously held beliefs. We all know that agreeing with what someone said involves agreeing with the concept they intended to communicate. So agreeing with the creed is affirming what the creed's authors intended it to mean when they wrote it in the 4th century. You're not doing that. What you're doing is modernizing the creed to be compatible with your theology. I'm not saying it's wrong of you to do that. I'm saying it's wrong of you to claim that you literally agree with all of the Nicene creed. You don't. No Baptist affirms the existence of one holy catholic and apostolic church. The men who wrote that were bishops who received their positions through the laying on of hands according to Paul's letter to Timothy. It's clearly obvious that their intent with the word apostolic was what we now call apostolic succession. You believe in nothing of the sort. So you affirm a creed that may contain the same words, but you use different definitions of those words. It's not the Nicene creed. The tendency of people to do this is called the word concept fallacy. I think we all do this from time to time. So I'm just giving my opinion and not intending to accuse anybody of being dishonest (rather, I'm not accusing any Christian of this - I absolutely do think the progressives do it intentionally)
@@ivetterodríguez-j4kIt does not once mention Roman….just holy catholic and apostolic church. This means a united universal christian church on who God is. So again, no reason for the baptists to disregard and not use in their services.
i persoanlly like the presybiterians the most, but i feel the baptists focus the most on the central message of thw gospel without all the added denominational dogma
Independent fundamental Baptist here. First video of yours I've ever watched. Appreciate you presenting Baptists fairly. Not all IFB are hyper KJV only. But the majority still are. Im KJV only but not a ruckmanite
Born and raised I to the SBC denomination. My family and I spent my entire childhood with their mission organization (The IMB). And now I am about to go to an SBC Seminary in one month. We aren't perfect by any means. But I am so thankful to be a Baptist
Left a Baptist/NonDenom/Charismatic church earlier this year after going for over 20. Came down to the realization that my family and the soon to be senior pastor had wildly different interpretation of scripture and that they lacked a proper support system for church members in need(they had zero deacons). I've been interested in other denominations and church history all my life, but it isn't until this year that I realized that I hadn't taken other denominations views seriously(especially things like infant baptism and church administration). Right now we are feeling a bit lost and shy about attending new church till we can figure out what is true about Christianity verses what was just some eccentricities about our home church. Thanks for making this video showing the differences of Baptists and other churches.
As a lifelong Baptist, this is pretty spot on. One of the weaknesses of some Baptist churches, especially larger ones, is that they can lean too much into Christian Nationalism. I was a member at a big Baptist church for the majority of my teenage years, and things were generally fine (sound theology and expository/exegetical preaching from the Bible) outside of them going over the top with Fourth of July celebrations. I'm talking indoor fireworks, playing the anthems of each military branch, etc. It got much more political whenever Trump ran in 2015-16, because the church had direct ties to him via the lead pastor. Soon, they started bringing in well-known conservative media figures to speak on Sunday mornings, and it just felt so off. I believe that politics don't belong in the pulpit. I have always leaned slightly conservative, but it just felt unnerving having the feeling that the church was basically forcing the concept of "vote Republican or you're not a Christian" down everyone's throats. Thankfully, once I was settled in college, I found another church that fits pretty much everything RZ hit on in this video that I feel very comfortable and spiritually active in. Great video, definitely an accurate breakdown of our denomination
Church and politics intermingling seems like a problem accross all nations and denominations. Here, in Poland, there have been numerous scandals regarding corruption between the big centre-right party and some catholic priests. Some people go as far as to nickname the church 'the black mafia'
A lot of Particular Baptists like myself hold to Calvin’s view of the Lord’s Supper. I believe it’s the view affirmed in the 1689 Confession and Baptist Catechism. Richard Barcellos has written and spoken about this.
Spot on. Baptist Catechism: Q. 95. What are the outward and ordinary means whereby Christ communicates to us the benefits of redemption? A. The outward and ordinary means whereby Christ communicates to us the benefits of redemption are His ordinances, especially the Word, Baptism, the Lord's Supper and Prayer; all which are made effectual to the elect for salvation. (Rom. 10:17; James 1:18; 1 Cor. 3:5; Acts 14:1; 2:41,42)
@@ShepherdMinistry also, “An Orthodox Catechism,” the Baptist revision of the Heidelberg Catechism by Hercules Collins, published in 1680, uses the word “sacraments.”
@@ShepherdMinistry yeah, I'm not Reformed/Particular Baptist (presby myself), but I think RZ always seems to get this one wrong. As far as I can tell, other than the fact that 1689 Baptists don't baptize infants, I actually think they pretty much have the same sacramentology as Reformed churches. Maybe I'm wrong, but Q95 here seems to say pretty much just that, except it's called an "ordinance" not a "sacrament", but has the same wording of it's efficacy as Reformed confessions tend to have.
@@SilentEcho4178 The main thing is that, like baptism, we see the Lord Supper as purely symbolic (do this in remembrance of me) and does not have any presence of Christ in the elements. However, we do hold that it is a very important to partake in and is usually taken either once a quarter all the way to every week.
Baptist beginning to lean more high church, this was a dang good video highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of our denomination and providing explanations for why. I really appreciate the fair analysis, and I’ll include the southern accent as part of that too
It’s also important to remember that the Baptist beliefs are relatively vague, and it’s the biggest Protestant denomination, so there is a HUGE variety even among different southern Baptist churches. Remember: Westboro Baptist and elevation are both southern Baptist. There’s not really a set standard when it comes to how traditional or contemporary a Baptist church is. My church I went to in college was a bi-lingual, more traditional church with very rigid sermon structures and a choir, where as my current church is more “go with the flow” structurally and musically 1 person leads us with an acoustic guitar through contemporary worship music.
Westboro Baptist Church is not affiliated in any way with the Southern Baptist Convention. SBC leadership has condemned them on numerous occasions. From the cursory research I did, it appears that they are independent and not connected to any other conventions or affiliations.
The Westboro Baptist Church is not part of the SBC, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) see Westboro as heretical, and the Westboro Baptist Church pickets, protests, and harasses SBC churches. The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) engages in real hate speech and harassment against atheists, Jews, Muslims, transgender people, Mormons, People of Color, and specific Christian denominations included Baptists (Southern Baptists, Northern Baptists/American Baptists, Converge, Venture Church Network/Conservative Baptists), Pentecostals (Assemblies of God, Foursquare Church), Catholics, Methodists, Anglicans/Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Evangelicals in general, and by extension other Christian with similar beliefs to the ones being harassed - this hate speech and harassment is real, the WBC is violent and aggressive, they also hold to very unbiblical anti-Christian beliefs.
@@leullakew9579 I knew about there hatful and heretical rhetoric, but for some reason I thought there were technically part of the SBC. Wasn’t trying to praise them or anything to be sure.
As a baptist, your assessment was really good. accurate. One major aspect of being baptist is the emphasis on Christian liberty, many times to a fault.
It is partly because of RZ that i began my walk to faith starting in curiousity. About a year of asking, listening, reading, and understanding, I am thankful to you and God that my fiance and my kids will be becoming members at our local Orthodox parish in the near future. There is still so much to learn, but I am fortuitious to have found so much.❤
Having been raised Southern Baptist, and still being Baptist in much of my perspective, this was excellent! I enjoy all of your videos, and was very pleased to see how clear and even-handed you were with us low church believers.
Independent Fundamental Chicken wing eating Baptist right here and i just wanna say, thank you for being neutral on our view! I was raised Catholic and was baptized and did some of the sacraments but i know deep down in my heart i wasnt saved. Fast forward years later i attended my first ever Baptist church and man, youll never hear preaching like that at any other church and they really let you know that salvation is a matter of life and death. We stay true to what the Bible says and that we do have the preserved word of God today in the KJV. Yes alot of people really hone in on it but its the truth. My Pastor wishes he didnt have to use the term baptist but its what he has to stick with because so many are led astray. The Bible is how we learn about God, where we get our theology from, and our instructions on how to get saved. Remember, Philip told the Eunuch first he must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ first before he can get baptized....just let that sink in.
I grew up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, and boy was it culty. Now I'm closer to mainline Baptist beliefs, and have successfully brought over my formerly Catholic fiancee. It wasn't hard though, she had a lot of religious trauma from priests and parents and the like, so picking the denomination furthest from Catholicism was the best way for her to find Christ again.
I'm non denominational, but i got to say that baptists are pretty cool for being so consistent with the Bible. I'm just looking at different denominations to understand which is most reliable and not of human perception.
I was raised in IFB churches my whole life up until we left about 3 years ago. There’s a host of issues for why we left, many of them denominationally-based and a few specific to our church. One of the biggest issues that stands out is the purity culture. It’s especially bad toward women. They are kept on an extremely tight leash as far as standards go when it comes to dress, modesty, and conduct. The VAST majority of these “standards” stem not from the Bible, but pastors and pastors’ wives, of course. Don’t get me wrong, if you have a personal standard in the matter of your dress and modesty that’s extracurricular to what’s listed in Scripture, that’s fine. The problem arises when churches try to claim these standards AS Scripture rather than adherence to a particular culture. This usually results in women getting taken advantage of and men having zero accountability whatsoever. See Let Us Pray: A Ministry of Scandals for reference.
@TomBombadil515 Unfortunately, things like that do happen. I grew up in a similar church. While my issues with that church are numerous, one of the problems was the inability to separate personal biases from what was taught in the Bible. We eventually left, and I now attend a mainline Baptist church.
@@VTdarkangel The IFBers are slowly loosening up. My fave preacher is CT Townsend at Victory Baptist in North Augusta. I looked at some facebook posts of some leaders in his church and to my shock their teenaged girls are wearing 2 piece bathin suits lol. they also use contemporary songs in worship
@@TomBombadil515women are to dress modest. Women must not wear men's clothing. Weinen cover heads when praying. And be silent in the churches. If you as a woman don't do those things then you are a liberal in rebellion against the Bible. Simple as.
Really impressed with the video man. I thought you did a great job explaining the denomination and I was honestly surprised at the grace and praise you gave for the Baptists. Great examples and well thought out explanations. Well done!
Except 'immersed' does not mean 'submerged under water'. In either language. It's why the only instance of 'baptizo' in Scripture where the method is unambiguous and explicit is... by pouring.
@@Mic1904 and according to the Didache, the preferred method was as follows: cold running water, warm running water, cold standing water, warm standing water, and immersion under the water then sprinkling over the head when enough water wasn't available.
@@vedinthorn Logical leap. The word being used to mean pickling vegetables does not suddenly make it, therefore, 'the normal way' to think of it Biblically. Especially since, you know, it blatantly and explicitly describes things in Scripture that absolutely are not full submersion. Frankly, if pickling is your example for what the baptizo 'norm' is, that should mean that a person is submerged and then stays there, at length.
I grew up in a Baptist church, my parents converted as agnostic middle easterners to Christianity through a Baptist Church in Texas, and it's amazing how much of what you're describing has been engrained in me as a Christian without me even realizing. I was apathetic about my faith until about 5 years ago (im in my late 30s now). Since I got serious about being a non-nominal Christian I have been studying deep into scripture as well as church history for the last 5 years. So much of what was taught to me as a Baptist has been hard to shed off or at least redefine. For example: infant water baptism (I havent discovered a good reason to affirm or deny this practice), Baptism saves (Im still not convinced it "saves" you as in if you die before getting water baptized you're damned for eternity but I do believe it does something to a person spiritually), Avoiding nominal Christianity (im still 100% for this), Not assigning high salvation value to church institution/water baptism/good works (I definitely still have this in me, Im very self conscious about putting my faith in anything else other than Jesus), I 100% affirm Nicene creed, the Solas im still working through but im becoming more flexible against sola fide and sola scriptura (your faith must have some fruit & scripture shouldnt exist without a traditional lens), Calvinism or at least the hyper-calvinists was easiest for me to break free from (doesnt follow God's character), eucharist (it's definitely more than "just a symbol", early church viewed it as the actual body and blood of Christ in some way, spiritual/symbolic/literal). Im still in the process of learning but after watching this video I can feel the Baptist roots of me screaming.
The Bible tells us we need to make a confession of faith and get baptized. The way I see it is that the confession is the most important thing, as (for example) the thief who was crucified with Jesus was not baptized, but believed in Jesus, and that was enough to save him. However, if you make a confession, and have the ability to get baptized, but refuse, then that's a problem. It's a problem because, at that point, you are in disobedience. The people who baptize babies put the baptism before confession, but usually those churches will still require a confession of faith (Lutherans do that at least). I was Baptist for a good while, but shifted over to Lutheran. The infant baptism was hard for me to swallow, but on the other hand if baptism isn't part of the salvation process then it doesn't matter when or how it's done. If someone is teaching that baptism is all you need to be saved, then that's a wrong teaching/heresy. Or baptism + works saved, like the RC Church teaches is also heresy.
@@Procopius464 I pretty much agree with all of that. I'm not entirely convinced that the RCC truly teaches baptism + works = saved but they do put a heavy weight on doing the sacraments in order to be saved. I dont believe all of what the RC teaches is heresy. The way I see the RCC is that they put unnecessary burdens of doctrine to the faith (papal supremacy/infallibility, Marian dogmas, purgatory, ect) which leads to controlling the congregation into performing ritualistic patterns of behavior in order to be saved. It doesn't appear to provide "freedom in the Spirit" so to speak IMO.
I was Mormon my whole life, after leaving the church and dedicating my life studying which church to follow. Baptist was the only logical conclusion using Gods word.
Grew up in an SBC Church, and you pretty much nailed everything. I personally think denomination war is silly but I understand the value in tradition as well.
As a lapsed Catholic and pretty much an agnostic at this point, the oddest thing about the SBC to me is still the congregational polity. Churches can leave, churches can join, churches can get kicked out, like Saddleback was. Hopefully this keeps things like situation we're seeing in the United Methodist Church from ever occurring to them.
sorry it's a bit offtopic, but since you're mentioned that you're agnostic, I think it's still on topic to your comment, but we all have doubts along the way, if we could understand God completly He wouldn't be infinitely Great as He is. Don't let the things you don't know make you forget the things you already know, like God is a necessary being, absolute values exist (like morality, justice, logic, etc), miraclous are possible, our organs have a purpose, Jesus Crist ressurected from the dead and that God cares for us. I have a very questioning mind, and a little questioning can take you away from God, but a lot of questioning will bring you closer to him again, because outside of him everything is a fiction, we can't even believe in our reasoning to bet our life and death on it, if our brain was not created by a superior mind with a purpose to reason, but the result accidents by random cosmal forces.
RZ hats off to you for giving us a fair representation here. That being said, my church considers communion to be a sacrament and in receiving the body of Christ. Its why we dissuade those who are not sure of their salvation to partake.
It’s hard to believe this is the same Zoomer that roasted baptists every other video not that long ago. Thanks for this, it was nice and instructive getting a well spoken and well researched exposition of our denomination.
Overall good job making this accurate video about Baptists. However, one small error - in that chart at 9:37, you indicate that for Catholics "Yes - Unbelievers receive the Body of Christ." That's not correct - Catholics have "closed communion" - you must be a Catholic in good standing (i.e. in a state of grace without mortal sin) in order to partake of the Eucharist. Also, just my perspective as a former Baptist (and whose family still is Baptist) - Baptists in general are strong Christians, but one aspect in which they are often quite lacking is knowledge of Church history. Of course, it's a generalization - not ALL Baptists are ignorant of it, but, from what I have observed, it is true for many. Also, even though it is accurate that devout Baptists usually do read Scripture a lot, from what I have observed, they do not usually have a really good knowledge of typology (i.e. the parallelisms between the Old Testament and the New Testament and how they are fulfilled).
I'd still argue that Baptists don't hold to Nicene christianity. The Nicene creed clearly affirms a belief in "One baptism for the remission of sins". Baptists cannot hold this belief without stretching it to mean something ENTIRELY different from what the rest of the church, both now and historically, have understood it to mean.
An argument can be made for Lutherans and Anglicans. Other than that, no Protestant holds to Nicene Christianity that I've ever seen or heard. One holy catholic and apostolic church. That's what the creed plainly says. No qualifiers, no disclaimers, no further explanations. But since the plain words clearly contradict Protestantism, what every Protestant I've ever seen or heard on the subject does is redefine those words from the 4th century to agree with their theology in modern times. An example being how a Protestant affirms the one church part by saying "when they say church what they REALLY mean is the invisible body of Christ." No, that's what you want it to mean right now so that you can say you affirm it. But that's clearly not what the original writers intended. They were 4th century bishops, church leaders who received their office through apostolic succession, meeting in council to define doctrine at the order of the emperor as part of ending the persecutions of Christians in Rome. You clearly cannot have defined doctrines or apostolic succession in an invisible body with no authority or organization. So the Protestant claim is that these people resolved the theological disputes by writing a creed that completely invalidated their authority to write creeds or resolve disputes. It may not be obvious to the average Christian who doesn't go into church history, but it's absolutely impossible for a Baptist or almost any other Protestant to hold to Nicene Christianity. If the church you attend does not have bishops in its organizational structure, then you by definition do not hold to there being an apostolic church and so do not affirm the creed and do not hold to Nicene Christianity. I know that's not what you want to hear as a Protestant, but it is the truth. And it's not opinion. It's history. Go read it yourself if you disagree. You don't even need to open a book. Even Wikipedia says it. Baptists affirm a modern interpretation of the words in the creed without reference to what those words were intended to communicate by the people who wrote them. That's not holding to Nicene Christianity. It's doing exactly the same thing to the creed that liberal Christians do to scripture when they claim the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality and such things.
On a church camp trip ( ran by Baptist ) I explained to my youth leader what the nicene creed was. I also explained to my Baptist friends what my beliefs with baptism are. I’m an Anglican so I believe in high church and infant baptism.
Seventh Day Baptist reporting here, thank you for this good overview on Baptist standing and theology in general. I'll never blame someone for forgetting the SDBs exist, we're only a few thousand strong, but we've been here a long while, This summer will be 353 years of Seventh Day Baptists in America.
I am a Baptist historian of 30 years. I have written many articles on Seventh Day Baptists. They gave us some great hymns like "On Jordan's Stormy Banks I Stand". This Baptist hasnt forgotten you!
I mean, it is a fair representation of the Southern Baptists, not literally the majority of Baptist across the time, anyway, was better than i expected 😂😅
Baptists across time have a track record of holding to these concepts. Credobaptism, "liberty of the soul", congregational or local government, Sola Scriptura.
As a Baptist, the saddest thing about our denomination is the lack of continuity. I wish we all just agreed with the 1689 LBC and believed in real presence in communion (yes not all baptists are strict memorialists).
@@juddster218 Consubstantiation is the only logical system to me, because if Jesus didn't literally mean "this IS my Body" and "this IS my Blood", why did He say "unless you drink of My Blood and eat of My Flesh, you have no part in Me"? It's the one I'm an Arminianist hard liner (though I also believe in Total Depravity) who teeters on Open Theism. My main reason I don't openly call myself that is because "the future is unknowable" downplays God's omniscience. Therefore, if I took Open Theism, the more correct answer would be that either God denies Himself His foresight by His own sovereign choice, OR the future does not exist and therefore God, who knows all that exists, does not have the future in His Omniscience because it has yet to happen. Either way, even Open Theists agree that God pre-planned the redemption plan and Salvation, as well as Jesus always existing as part of the eternal Godhead, and that God is always sovereign and in control.
As a Baptist and also someone who wants an understanding of all denominations, I’m happy to see a good way to explain what us Baptists believe and what other traditions believe. You’ve clearly done your research!
Nominal Christianity also means "I am a Christian because I live in a country that has history of being a Christian society." Breaking it down further, one is Anglican because they are from England or Wales, Presbyterian for being from Scotland, Luther for being from northern Germany or the Nordic countries, being Catholic for being Italian, Spanish, or Portuguese, or considering themselves Orthodox for being Greek, Bulgarian, or Russian.
Thanks for the accurate video. I was raised in a mainline pietist/ liberal denomination. I went over to the Amriminian "free will" side of the aisle in my early twenties to "get saved." I even went to a Baptist "pan evangelical" college after my stint in the USAF. After learning Greek and spending years reading up on church history, I could never feel at home in that theological camp. Ultimately, I read the Book of Concord and joined the LCMS. I've been there for more than two decades. The evangelical catholic faith, commonly called Lutheranism, makes the most sense to me when I compare the Scriptures with history. There are no perfect denominations on earth. Sin, death and the devil is everywhere. But each person must follow their conscience and will be judged according to the light which has been given to them. God speed to all. As a side note, the "born again" translation from John 3 misses the point Jesus is making. That translation serves Nicodemus metaphor, not Christ's teaching. The Greek word is better translated "from above". Like the Temple curtain torn in two, it is a "top-down" birth, by water and Spirit. We don't choose Christ, He chooses us by grace alone. Read John's Gospel in that light. God speed...
Redeemed Zoomer begrudgingly forced to give Baptists credit is golden
What is redeemed zoomers faith?
@@paramedic135 he is a Calvinists Presbyterian
@@nick4754 oh, ew
@@paramedic135 What is your faith?
@@paramedic135I mean, that means he’s saved so…
Zoomer was probably washing out his mouth with soap and water after he had to be nice to Baptists for 10 whole minutes
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Why does he not like baptist ?😂
As a Baptist, I have to be nice to Presbyterians, even though we heavily disagree on baptism and who can be a member of the church.
Although I disagree with how he views baptists, his calling in the church is very Godly and he has a lot more bravery in going to these heretical churches and actually trying to bring God back into them so I respect his mission even though we disagree on a couple fundamental things across denominations.
At the end of the day, we’re both saved, and will have the same eternal life.
@@brandonpennington872 interesting, given that here in the Philippines, Baptists and Presbyterians - especially Korean Presbyterian missionaries - are quite chill with each other.
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As a Baptist I think our biggest strength is our fundamentals and our main weak point is that many lack in depth theological/church history knowledge
I’m a Baptist and I agree. From experience reformed baptists tend to be better with this.
Another weakness I’ve noticed is that we can be conspiratorial and anti-science with regards to things like modern medicine, (including psychiatry) and evolution. It weakens us and drives people away.
@@gigahorse1475 Holding to the fundamentals of the faith is not a weakness.
This is exactly why I, a non-calvinist, attend a reformed Baptist church. The extra attention paid to liturgy and church history is invaluable
It's an inherent weakness that stems from the hyper individualism. Leads to a lot of people getting their theology through a sort of spiritual consumerism of what's popular in their church or just adopting wholesale what their pastor believes.
Also Sunday School classes are slanted towards hermeneutics and evangelism, because you can just prepare a lesson plan and roll with it directly vs. a theological drive through a minefield given that in any given class you might have a huge array of positions and you can't tell anyone what to believe in those matters (see: hyper individualism )
I would add tolerance of other beliefs as a weakness even other Baptist denominations
“Nobody preaches reads and memorizes scripture like they do.”
If that’s not the best compliment that I’ve ever heard in my life.
Baptist is the Ryan Gosling denomination. So so lonely
How else are you gonna evangelized if you don't.
And evangelism is one of Lord Jesus's Main commands to his disciples. Compliment not intended but I'd take it as much as it was given😅
Too bad they misinterpret and cherry pick scripture all the time
True. But usually in an effort to give God all the glory. They "play it safe" in interpretation which could be a lot worse.
The author has probably never met the MCGI from the Philippines. Everything they say or do must have basis in the Bible. When they preach, verses after verse after verses are being read and that's more or less 3 hours of speaking and listening to verses.
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!" Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over
Baptists in a nutshell
@@AndyHernandez-dd9dt Not really. Besides a few crazies (Westbro), a section of those who take secondary doctrine way too seriously (IFB) and those who are in name only (Elevation), most just want to enjoy a good potluck with each other 😁
A real Baptist would have ended after, "Christian or Jew." Your deal sounds bureaucratic. Jewish, almost.
@@Ironica82 Elevation hasnt been "Baptist" in over 3 years. They left
Why askJewish? Jews don’t believe in God anymore the Muslims because they reject Christ who was God in theflesh.
Never thought I would see the day when Zoomer is nice to Baptists
yes
Have more faith.
As an Orthodox, I love my Baptist brothers
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@MSKofAlexandria As a Baptist, I love you too. I may have disagreements with Orthodoxy, but in my view, they are things we can debate while in Heaven.
We love you too brother
God bless you, brother. I'm a Baptist missionary focusing on Muslim evangelism in a predominately Orthodox country. I wish more Orthodox people shared your love here. One of the most significant barriers we have in preaching the gospel to Muslims is opposition from Orthodox leaders. It's heartbreaking. We love the Orthodox church. I can't agree on icons, relics, etc, but the Orthodox church was the cradle where the Christian faith began. How could we not love you?
@@andyontheinternet5777 Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously with one another by profaning the covenant of the fathers?
Hey Zoomer, just wanted to say as a Catholic that you have helped me expand my theological knowledge and perspectives on my faith and personal growth in it so much. I truly respect out of all that you’ve done not just for me, but for so many people in bringing them towards the faith we hold close to our hearts. Just wanted to thank you and wish you good luck with the Reconquista.
Love ya brother ❤️
Hi brother, I wanted to ask you why do you choose catholicism ?
@@murilolinsdacruz4110 I was born Catholic and have had skepticisms about the Catholic Faith but here are some of the main reasons I’ve defended it and tried to devote myself to it.
- Apostolic Succession
- Intellectual Approach
- Christology/Theology/Ecclesiology
- The connection between Jesus, the Apostles, and the Holy Spirit
- Blessings and Miracles
- The Church and community of believers is the authority because of how everything stems from it
- Proper Balance between Intellect and Emotion
I can explain these if you want me to. God Bless 🙏
@@Jhd306ck sure brother, pls enlighten me
@@murilolinsdacruz4110I’ll let others actually delve into theology, but consider this: the Catholic Church is the most “catholic,” or universal, of any branch of Christianity. There are 24 Churches within the Catholic Church, including the Latin Church and many Byzantine, Syriac and Alexandrian Churches. You will find a Catholic church almost everywhere on Earth. The Catholic Church is the world’s largest charity, the largest healthcare provider and the largest provider of education worldwide. The Catholic Church also produced the most beautiful art of any civilization ever, like the Padua Baptistery, Notre Dame de Paris, the Sagrada Familia, the Sainte Chapelle, Saint Peter’s Basilica, San Marco’s Basilica and so many more. It’s the oldest institution in the world-you can almost think of it as a multinational before corporations even existed. The Catholic Church has also been an instrument of reason, founding so many monasteries which kept literature and philosophy alive and paved the way for universities and modern science.
These points alone aren’t decisive, but they should make you think. As the Bible says, you will know them by their fruits.
Also, Maronite Christians in the Middle East who use the language Jesus spoke are Catholics. All Christians in the lands near where our Lord lived are at least very similar to Catholics (various types of Orthodox).
Also, the Early Church was clear on the Eucharist. As Christ said, we must eat his body. You can find this Eucharist in the Catholic Church.
I hope that was interesting to you, brother. Have a great day and may God Almighty bless you
Escape the cult of Rome before you die and go to Hell.
This is the nicest I’ve ever seen Zoomer be to baptists lol.
It's a rare thing and good to see. Considering his general disposition, I'm surprised he doesn't lump baptists in with the heretic cults. Not that I think he should, but his attitude toward them really seems to imply that he'd like to do so.
Can't afford to offend his largest fanbase
@@Tyler_W Pretty sure that is just a side effect of him being a New Yorker
@@danshakuimoLol
@@Tyler_Wbecause you only fall into heresy when you remove the deity of Christ, or have a literally different idea of God outside the bible and make up your unbiblical definitions.
Baptists are true Christians based on all core tenants and even Zoomer agrees. The main difference are the lack of importance of the structures, infant (or I'd rather call it "premature") baptism, focus on too much tradition but more on learning the gospel, sharing the gospel, and equiping people to share the gospel.
As we witness change in people as soon as the gospel is shared, baptism is pretty much just a confirmation of willingness. Baptism is never a certainty of change. Only salvation does that.
Redeemed Zoomer try not to bash Baptist challenge 😂 just messing with you. You did pretty good
Yeah i'd say he didnt even really bash the denomination at all. Just sort of explained exactly what they believe in a way that is very neutral. If I had to nitpick there where a few word choices i'd say should be different but the overall communication here was accurate.
😂 it was good and based
I know he was sitting on his hands recording this lol 😂
Closest he got was the whole "how did southern Baptists get their name".
Although it should be noted that a lot of southern Baptist churches were very abolitionist.
But yea he did good
I think Baptist (as a Baptist) is somewhat of a spectrum. I’ve been to some that are extremely low church and more like a non-denom and some are higher church and tend to take communion every service and have more liturgy outside of the typical welcome, 3-4 songs, message, song, announcements, lunch (we take food seriously)
I'm honestly shocked that the Sacrament of the Divine Potluck wasn't mentioned once.
Baptists, Anabaptists, and Heinz Tomato sauce have one thing in common. They come in 57 varieties. 😃
I went to a Baptist church where we recited catechisms and took communion every service. I loved it. Too bad I could only go there for a short time. :(
@@gigahorse1475 my church is highly liturgical, though we only have communion once a month (we practice a closed table). The families do a short catechism and Bible memory during Sunday school, and a longer catechism during the service. We read and sing Psalms every week, and do exclusive expository preaching.
It's pretty awesome.
@@gigahorse1475 my church is technically non-denom in the sense that there isn't a denominational name attached to our church, but we're basically Baptist and make no secret of it. We take communion only once a month (that seems to be common everywhere I've seen that isn't Roman Catholic or maybe Lutheran in my experience), but we often sing the doxology and always recite the Constantinopolitan-Nicene Creed afterwards. It's one of the things I greatly appreciate about my church.
Baptist here. Accurate and unbiased post. Thank you.
Baptist here. Thanks for the fair shake and take on my denomination.
I was pretty surprised.
Ditto
Same I was really surprised I was shore he was going to roast us non stop
Same here. Thank you and God bless you all.
I wasn't expecting an honest representation, especially after the catholic dawah.
I was Lutheran.
I got baptized.
God made me into a Baptist.
I went from falling asleep on the word (couldn't understand) to falling asleep IN the Word. I can't put it down now, and Jesus Christ runs my life.
Former Baptist here became Lutheran! I left because of it’s abusive teachings and embrace the pure Gospel in the Lutheran Church.
Go watch a Channel called Bryan Wolfmueller, he has great Videos refuting Baptists false teachings especially on the subjecton Baptism.
As a Lutheran, I don’t know what this comment is saying. Sometimes Baptists are weird.
@ministeriosemmanuel638 I just mean on the teachings, name titles are just titles, my home church wasn't a very good one. I didn't know I had to make a decision to come to Jesus Christ and to believe on him who HE sent.
I just did the motions
Beautiful testimony.🙂
@@ministeriosemmanuel638I'll go check this vlog out. I was raised Presbyterian.
This video literally reassures me why im baptist.
Dont be Baptist. Repent. Stop being a heretic.
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Same.
@@Markt.400 can I ask one question? Do you think that the early church was actually Baptist in its practices or do you think that they just got things wrong because they misinterpreted scripture?
Fellow Baptists unite!🙏🔥
This is a great survey of Baptists. If you ever wondered why we Baptists have such a huge emphasis on children's ministries, I hope it's clearer why now.
One thing about being a Baptist is tolerance for different views on the lower-order theology - your Sunday School class will have differences in soteriology and eschatology all over the place - but the hyper individualism leads to tolerance and understanding.
I wish more of the nondenominational churches in the US would cooperate with the SBC. Our mission institutions are established and dedicated to work both here in the US and abroad.
My pastor just took us out of the SBC for a lot of reasons…
Our previous pastor of 20 years passed away back in 22. There was not one letter received. No condolences, no help, no nothing. The church still paid its dues and we were forced to find our own replacement who had to figure everything out on his own. He looked into what the SBC does with its cut of the money and was unable to find any clear and/or acceptable answers. We pulled out and now that money which would be going towards paying people’s wages in the SBC is all going directly to helping children get school supplies at our sister church in the phillipines.
The doctrinal variety is a big weakness imo; I'm a Baptist, but at a church with specific commitments on secondary issues. We're to have unity of mind within the church, and having huge doctrinal differences within a church seems to damage the ability of the church to carry out its mission.
@@tysenp8193 well for one, I know the cooperative program kept seminary very cheap for me lol
@@tysenp8193 which is helping a lot. Here in the Philippines, there are now at least 1.6 million Baptists.
@@alexglase765I disagree, as someone who also is very much a Baptist in my theology. If something isn't clear in the Bible, I think that's for a reason and denominations shouldn't be trying to enforce a specific view on people. Like for instance, I'm in the minority as someone who is skeptical of a literal 6-day, 6000 year old, creation but that is something that Christians should be able to disagree on. They're not Baptists but I go to a Restorationist church currently and they have a good motto on this, "in essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love."
Wait.. no Baptist roasting? 😱 I’m dreaming
I know it's sad
Well, he did slyly insult us by basically saying that there is no such thing as a reformed Baptist.
@@Ironica82How would you define a reformed Baptist? I’m honestly asking
@@shevchenko5456 Someone who follows one of the two reformed Baptist confessions.
@@shevchenko5456 Right. He still has to drop the same Presbyterian-y sneer against Reformed Baptists, who BTW are more historic than the modern SBC-type he focuses on here, and are also covenantal in theology.
RIP Dr. Stanley, you were a real one. I didn't know I had a grandpa-shaped hole until I found Pastor Stanley (I never had a relationship with either grandfather). May he be enjoying heaven with our Lord.
what a wonderful affirmation of a man of God!
also grew up with dr stanley's voice in our home, among others
This video really does remind why I have been a Baptist my whole life, and it's comforting to see more baptist around me who have been studying more of church history as well. Great Video man
Zoomer did a pretty good job presenting Baptist in a positive light even though he murdered John the Independent Fundamental Baptist in minecraft
I didn’t kill the parrot
@@redeemedzoomer6053Someone else maybe? I mean, you posted your journey to the jungle in the 2 hour question video and you also showed your coordinates for a split second so perhaps someone used it to stalk you. Not me, though. I have bedrock.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 You didn't, the lava did
As a ex catholic now southern baptist. I thank you for clearly explaining our stance. ❤ Peace and ❤ to all my fellow brothers and sisters in CHRIST. no matter your denomination. Well except Methodists
Even some Methodists, I would probably stay away from the United Methodists but some Methodists are great! Good to see a brother with similar views!
Not hating but I passed a Methodist church last year and the entire outside structure of the church was draped in Pride flags. I mean it looked like a carnival. I knew they were um accepting of alot of things but I literally pulled the car over and my jaw dropped
@@venom7774 yeah no I could never be a Methodist because of the gayness😂. Baptist theology makes the most biblical sense to me.🤷♂️
@@venom7774 I call those places social clubs 😉
@@onecrispynugget9959 I was a Methodist because that's what I grew up in...safe to say I'm not sure I would call myself that anymore lol. Not that I left the Methodist church, I'd prefer to say it left me...and Christ.
As a Baptist minister, I approve of this video!
This is actually well made. Simple and clear yet nuanced. Thanks for acknowledging our positive contributions to the church catholic!
Daily reminder that baptizing babies is good!
@@Guille_OrtodoxiaWhy is baptizing babies good? Does an infant baptized atheist go to heaven?
@@siarnaq5625 because the stain of original sin is upon a person until baptism
@@siarnaq5625 no, an atheist cannot get baptized, lol.
@@slumptrid So a 7 day old baby can have believe in Christ? Babies can not comprehend such things, yet you think they should be baptized?
While it’s true that Baptists have had a huge influence on the country, sometimes it feels like the country and patriotism has had more of an influence on Baptists.
It all harkens back to Baptist individuality.
Bada boon
Maga communist Christian Baptist fundamentalist nationalism
As someone who grew up in the SBC, this is 100% true. I’ve literally been to church services where they showed military propaganda videos on the projector lmao
@@SamuelWeatherly one of those words is not like the other ones.
SBC baptist here
Ngl i was a bit worried how this video would go, but looks like another accurate representation video that I started watching this channel for. Also, you nailed the baptist preacher impression.
Only thing I noticed is you pointed out PNBC as one of the few times liberals left the conservative denomination and didn't mention cbf.
Anyway, really enjoyed the video.
I was cracking up it was so accurate
I appreciate how neutral you were in this video. It means a lot.
I'm baptist, But thank you for not offending us.
On the connection between Baptists and Nondenominationals, Nondenominationals tend to be either rather Baptist or rather Pentecostal. Source: Ready to Harvest
I think our biggest flex as Baptists is Charles Spurgen
It’s actually, Mark Perrin Lowrey
@@TheScholarlyBaptist Charles spurgen was calvanist
Also John Bunyan
@@VeronicaMartinez- Baptists can be Calvinistic. I’m a reformed Baptist.
@@VeronicaMartinez- yeah so. it’s not like Calvinism is demonic or smt. In fact some of the best theologians are Calvinistic.
“LOOKS LIKE YOU GOTTA GET SAVED!”
You got me to laugh pretty good there. Good video and summery of us baptists.
I go to a small Baptist church in NW Ohio and you hit the nail right on the head. I've been going to a Baptist church for all my life so if anyone has any questions on things that weren't touched on in the video, feel free to reach out. Love the video!
Does your church ever read the works by the very early figures such as Ignatius of Antioch or Irenaeus of Lyons?
@@centurysince4312 Not to my knowledge, no. The only book that my church and our association reads out of, especially during worship or teaching, is the Bible 😊
Now have members read those works on their own time? Maybe, but I personally haven't. I'll have to check those out!
Do you have a sense on how Baptists feel about the Nicene Creed, especially considering recent events? There’s one line in there that seems to go against Baptist theology.
@@theflightyfairy4811 I'll speak for myself first; I had no idea what the Nicene Creed even was before I started watching Redeemed Zoomer's videos. From what I currently understand, I don't have an issue with the NC but I also haven't dove into the details.
As for my church and our association, I have never heard anyone even mention the Nicene Creed before honestly. I guess you'd say we stick to what we know and that is the Bible. We follow it to the utmost degree and its teachings so there is little room for other literature to get discussed.
are you near Lima?
As a lifelong Baptist I have no criticism for this video. I think you nailed it!
RZ's southern accent sounds like my vacuum dying 🤣🤣Good video though!
New York**
Bud his is the exact opposite of a southerner
What southern accent pal
bro guys im just messing with him
@jakecandrum TIME TO GO HOME BOYS! It was just a joke 🤣🤣
My church is Independent Fundamental Baptist, I once thought it was a bit rigid in my younger days, but now that I’m almost 40, I realize it is a desire to preserve and protect against the corrosive elements of modern cultures. I must say we are not in the country, but the country became a city around us where we are the traditional country heart on Main Street. I call it an Andy Griffith church, a very warm place with mighty outreach. We are connected to a swath of Independent Californian churches as well. We take missionary discipleship as our pedigree graduation of saints.
Yeah IFBs are great, the only problem I have with them is the KJV issue, but it’s a tertiary thing that only matters to me if someone tries to claim that reading any other version will send you straight to Hell.
I'm not sure if I will remain a Baptist or switch to another denomination, but I think I will always be grateful for my Baptist upbringing because of how much it emphasized the need for me to "own my faith" as the saying goes. Most of my family has a strong faith because of this principle. That is one area in which I feel individualism has actually helped the church. Regardless of denomination, it's important to have a personal faith in Jesus Christ and make him the Lord over your life specifically.
I disagree. Having personal faith in Christ and living a Christian life are made more difficult by individualism. What you're expressing is the result of people using religion for political ends. You can read the writings of how individualism was intentionally tied to Christianity as anti-Soviet propaganda, as communism emphasizes collectivism and atheism. It's similar to the rapture, which is such a widely accepted part of evangelical Christianity in America now but was originally pushed as political propaganda as well. It wasn't because of the rapture itself, but it happened to be part of dispensationalism, which was promoted to get Christians to support Zionism. Don't believe it? Research the history of dispensationalism, the Scofield Study Bible that first promoted it, and the Balfour Declaration.
Of course, it's almost impossible to convince anybody of these truths today. Once a new idea has been around for a full generation, meaning there are now adults who first heard the idea as children, it will stop being seen as an idea and become accepted as fact. We saw this effect in action a couple years ago with Roe v Wade being overturned being treated as the denial of constitutional rights, despite Roe v Wade itself declaring there is no right to an abortion.
The process that has gotten the majority of Americans to believe there is a right to an abortion in the constitution is the same one that leads Christians to believe the rapture is in the Bible. And the same thing applies to individualism. Christianity is only helped by individualism in the modern mind because modern people have been indoctrinated into believing that since childhood. But take a step back and look at the scriptures - is there ANYTHING to indicate that the body of Christ refers to some invisible group of individual believers? No. The first Christians formed a collective in Acts. Christ told the apostles to celebrate together at the Last Supper. Timothy is admonished to select good leaders and it is groups that need leaders, not individuals. The scriptures warn against division. Paul writes in Corinthians about how to keep a church healthy as a cohesive group. Christ said where his followers gather together he will be in their midst. Christians are told to discuss problems with other Christians and to confess their sins to fellow believers. The Bible says to keep the faith that was handed down, not to draw your own conclusions as an individual. Christ emphasized charity to others consistently.
Individualism is an American value that American Christians have confused with being a Christian value. This isn't to say that individualism is entirely incompatible with faith in Christ or anything crazy like that. There has been a Christian tradition of having greatly spiritual hermits and monks who take vows of silence and other such things throughout history. My point is not to criticize individualism. It's about the origin of it. You get your individualism from political philosophy, not from theology. Living in close relationship and community with other believers is the consistent message of scripture. Even where the Bereans are praised for going off on their own to study and using their intellect to conclude the truth of Christianity rather than just believing what they're told, notice that the Bereans do this as a group and then accept Christianity as a group, not as individuals.
@@patrickbarnes9874 brother i'm not saying individualism is always good i'm saying in this one specific situation it's good for people to remember that they should have a personal relationship with Jesus rather than just thinking they're a Christian because they went to church with their family as a kid
I didn't realize infant baptism was what made the mainline denominations slightly more high church
Yeah that was a weird argument. Definitely oversimplified. You want to know if it's a high church denomination? Look at the building, they tend to decorate/build things differently based off their views
@@dcoy8666 high church has nothing to to with the size of the building, but about how important is the church as an institution rather than a club-ish of members
I can really appreciate the maturity it took RZ to be this generous to baptists. I'm not sure i'd be strong enough 😂
Well doggonit, he did it. He actually made a fair and impartial Baptist video 👏👏👏
I was expecting more shade to be thrown to Baptists, but this was actually on balance (and maybe slightly positive), thank you!
Maybe RZ was meditating on Ephesians 4 before he put this video together ;) ...I reckon the body of Christ would be much less schismatic if we all heeded that exhortation
Baptist in South Africa here, there is just one minor thing you left out - we know how to COOK and EAT well! XD
So true. How can you talk about the Baptists without talking about the potlucks!!!
Like us Methodists you can eat anything that doesn't eat you first.
As a Roman Catholic with a Baptist mom, I found both videos interesting. God bless
Shout-out in recognizing Dr. Stanley’s work as a Baptist minister. I love listening to his sermons- they are so concise, clear in intent, and always point back to what Jesus did on the cross.
See you in Heaven, Dr. Charles Stanley. 🕊️
🎶 Go tell it on the mountain, over the hill and everywhere! Go tell it on the mountain! That Jesus Christ is born! 🎶
🎶Some glad morning when this life is over, I'll fly away🎶
🎶It is well with my soul! It is well (it is well) with my soul (with my soul)!🎶
Unbelievablely fair and respectful,and the southern baptist preacher voice was spot on. lol Thank you. ❤✝️
Zoomer, video idea for you here, since as a new Christian I discovered this very recently. As a new Christian I went looking for information everywhere, sometimes in good places (the bible, your channel) and sometimes bad places. A certain Christian group that starts with a P ends with an L and has entecosta in the middle, led me to believe that the Holy spirit was some feeling, and that if you weren't feeling it, you were doing something wrong, and probably werent saved. This then encourages begging God to "feel" the holy spirit, which at that point disregards the point of God, to be everlastingly amazing, but not able to be seen, that is why faith is required. What I realized, which I believe is true, is that the Holy Spirit is a BEING, that brings certain feelings along with it. I think if you made a video kind of about that and the Holy Spirit in general, it would help out a lot of people. Keep up the good work!
I was raised Southern Baptist and I feel like this is a very fair shake.
Also a Southern Baptist as well as student of Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. I love this channel, learning more about myself and my own beliefs, while also learning more about Presbyterians and every other denomination too. Church history has become a hobby of mine because of this channel. Thanks, Redeemed Zoomer!
As a Baptist from R. of Moldova (yes we exist) our church are following every aspect u mentioned, except of sacrament, we call it supper, for us it has the meaning of commemorating the crucifixion and as a testimony that you are in a healthy relationship with God, avoiding it is considered a sin in itself.
The bible never says that abstaining from the bread and wine is a sin. It warn's that sometimes not abstaining is a sin
1Co 11:27-29 ESV - Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.
RZ’s apology video to baptists 😂 This is the only video where baptists don’t get roasted for being retreatist 👍🏻 thanks RZ
Seen a few of your vids floating around in my recommended off and on and glad I stumbled upon this. From what I can gather you’re not Baptist but you gave us a very fair shake in your presentation. Made my day, and will pray your day is blessed.
Thanks for clarifying the difference between a 1689 Confessional Baptist and John MacArthur
Agreed. I like MacArthur but he's really not reformed
@@cooldanrod5596 no true Baptist is Reformed. its an oxymoron
@@caman171could you please explain to me what "reformed" means? if you'd like 😁
@@jedi.in.christ "Reformed" means they wanted to reform the Catholic Church, they had no intention of breaking away from it. So being Reformed in its broadest sense, means infant baptism and that sacraments are a means of grace, and there is still only "one" church with a hierarchical church govt. Originally they espoused that the state should support the church as well. Add to that the covenant theology of calvinism. Therefore no real Baptists can be truly "Reformed. Originally Baptists saw themselves as neither Protestant nor Catholic
@@jedi.in.christ reformed means calvinist, is to believe that people are so evil that they can't even accept Jesus by their own will, but rather God decides for them. It has some implications that tend to sound very foreign for the most christians throughout history like Jesus didn't die for everybody, but only for the people he chose to save, cause those he didn't choose to save, would never accept him by their own will, so they wouldn't be saved. In short they deny free will, the only people they believe who had free will were Adam and Eve
Fellow baptist here, yeah idk why we didn’t put Nicaean creed in there because we literally agree with all of it. Kinda embarrassing ngl.
Everything besides the Holy Roman Apostolic Catholic Church part.
Hello my friend, please don't take this as criticism, cause I have the utmost respect for Baptists like Frank Turek and William Lane Craig, but baptists don't believe in their Nicean Creed, in the part where it says "I believe in one baptism for the remission of the sins", and the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) made news over a discussion they were having whether they should add the nicean creed to their statement of faith to prevent the baptists in their free and authonomous interpretation of the Bible to end up denying the essencials of the faith, but in the end they refused adding it.
We used to! I remember growing up in a SBC church that had the Nicene Creed permanently posted in the vestibule. I don't know what happened in the last 40 years to change that.
A few years ago it became fashionable for progressives to claim black people can't be racist. After a while of being shown numerous examples of black people being racist, instead of dropping the objectively false claim, the progressives went and changed the dictionary definition of the word "racism". That's what Protestants in general do with the creed when claiming they're affirming it. They're not affirming what's written, they're changing the meaning of what's written to agree with their previously held beliefs.
We all know that agreeing with what someone said involves agreeing with the concept they intended to communicate. So agreeing with the creed is affirming what the creed's authors intended it to mean when they wrote it in the 4th century. You're not doing that. What you're doing is modernizing the creed to be compatible with your theology. I'm not saying it's wrong of you to do that. I'm saying it's wrong of you to claim that you literally agree with all of the Nicene creed. You don't. No Baptist affirms the existence of one holy catholic and apostolic church. The men who wrote that were bishops who received their positions through the laying on of hands according to Paul's letter to Timothy. It's clearly obvious that their intent with the word apostolic was what we now call apostolic succession. You believe in nothing of the sort. So you affirm a creed that may contain the same words, but you use different definitions of those words. It's not the Nicene creed.
The tendency of people to do this is called the word concept fallacy. I think we all do this from time to time. So I'm just giving my opinion and not intending to accuse anybody of being dishonest (rather, I'm not accusing any Christian of this - I absolutely do think the progressives do it intentionally)
@@ivetterodríguez-j4kIt does not once mention Roman….just holy catholic and apostolic church. This means a united universal christian church on who God is. So again, no reason for the baptists to disregard and not use in their services.
Baptist here. Always will be. 🙏
I'm an SBC pastor. You did good work, sir. Thank you.
ok but why does the baptist belief make the most sense😂
i persoanlly like the presybiterians the most, but i feel the baptists focus the most on the central message of thw gospel without all the added denominational dogma
Independent fundamental Baptist here. First video of yours I've ever watched. Appreciate you presenting Baptists fairly. Not all IFB are hyper KJV only. But the majority still are. Im KJV only but not a ruckmanite
Pretty fair description I would point out that there is a long history of Baptist who hold to the Reformed view of the Lords Supper.
This just in: RZ is ignorant on Reformed Baptists lol
@@42elliottHe pointed out particular baptists.
@@42elliott No hes not ignorant. hes being a realist and he is correct. Not much i agree with zoomer on, but hes right about that
proof?
, I think if you ask average American if you should baptize babies, they’d just be confused because they’d be an athirst. 😭
According to a few sources, America is still technically majority religious
Also mandatory "athirst"
If I were athirst I would drink some water
thank you for not making fun of southerners in this video
Born and raised I to the SBC denomination. My family and I spent my entire childhood with their mission organization (The IMB). And now I am about to go to an SBC Seminary in one month. We aren't perfect by any means. But I am so thankful to be a Baptist
Left a Baptist/NonDenom/Charismatic church earlier this year after going for over 20. Came down to the realization that my family and the soon to be senior pastor had wildly different interpretation of scripture and that they lacked a proper support system for church members in need(they had zero deacons).
I've been interested in other denominations and church history all my life, but it isn't until this year that I realized that I hadn't taken other denominations views seriously(especially things like infant baptism and church administration).
Right now we are feeling a bit lost and shy about attending new church till we can figure out what is true about Christianity verses what was just some eccentricities about our home church.
Thanks for making this video showing the differences of Baptists and other churches.
As a lifelong Baptist, this is pretty spot on. One of the weaknesses of some Baptist churches, especially larger ones, is that they can lean too much into Christian Nationalism. I was a member at a big Baptist church for the majority of my teenage years, and things were generally fine (sound theology and expository/exegetical preaching from the Bible) outside of them going over the top with Fourth of July celebrations. I'm talking indoor fireworks, playing the anthems of each military branch, etc. It got much more political whenever Trump ran in 2015-16, because the church had direct ties to him via the lead pastor. Soon, they started bringing in well-known conservative media figures to speak on Sunday mornings, and it just felt so off.
I believe that politics don't belong in the pulpit. I have always leaned slightly conservative, but it just felt unnerving having the feeling that the church was basically forcing the concept of "vote Republican or you're not a Christian" down everyone's throats. Thankfully, once I was settled in college, I found another church that fits pretty much everything RZ hit on in this video that I feel very comfortable and spiritually active in.
Great video, definitely an accurate breakdown of our denomination
Church and politics intermingling seems like a problem accross all nations and denominations. Here, in Poland, there have been numerous scandals regarding corruption between the big centre-right party and some catholic priests. Some people go as far as to nickname the church 'the black mafia'
This sounds exactly like the big Baptist church I went to growing up…… are you from the Dallas area?
@@korzenpl I have been seeing the term "Catholiban" when describing Polish Catholics. I don't get why
A lot of Particular Baptists like myself hold to Calvin’s view of the Lord’s Supper. I believe it’s the view affirmed in the 1689 Confession and Baptist Catechism. Richard Barcellos has written and spoken about this.
Spot on. Baptist Catechism:
Q. 95. What are the outward and ordinary means whereby Christ communicates to us the benefits of redemption?
A. The outward and ordinary means whereby Christ communicates to us the benefits of redemption are His ordinances, especially the Word, Baptism, the Lord's Supper and Prayer; all which are made effectual to the elect for salvation. (Rom. 10:17; James 1:18; 1 Cor. 3:5; Acts 14:1; 2:41,42)
@@ShepherdMinistry also, “An Orthodox Catechism,” the Baptist revision of the Heidelberg Catechism by Hercules Collins, published in 1680, uses the word “sacraments.”
@@ShepherdMinistry yeah, I'm not Reformed/Particular Baptist (presby myself), but I think RZ always seems to get this one wrong. As far as I can tell, other than the fact that 1689 Baptists don't baptize infants, I actually think they pretty much have the same sacramentology as Reformed churches. Maybe I'm wrong, but Q95 here seems to say pretty much just that, except it's called an "ordinance" not a "sacrament", but has the same wording of it's efficacy as Reformed confessions tend to have.
@@SilentEcho4178 The main thing is that, like baptism, we see the Lord Supper as purely symbolic (do this in remembrance of me) and does not have any presence of Christ in the elements. However, we do hold that it is a very important to partake in and is usually taken either once a quarter all the way to every week.
@@SilentEcho4178 100% RZ's biggest flaw is his general disdain/ignorance on Reformed Baptist Theology
It's funny how in my lifetime, I've seen the baptist stereotype go from "those girls who wear denim skirts" to "fog machine"
Fog machine is non-denominational, not Baptist. That's mega-churches.
Im a Baptist and i affirm this message.
Baptist beginning to lean more high church, this was a dang good video highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of our denomination and providing explanations for why. I really appreciate the fair analysis, and I’ll include the southern accent as part of that too
reject the high church. been there done that.
It’s also important to remember that the Baptist beliefs are relatively vague, and it’s the biggest Protestant denomination, so there is a HUGE variety even among different southern Baptist churches. Remember: Westboro Baptist and elevation are both southern Baptist. There’s not really a set standard when it comes to how traditional or contemporary a Baptist church is. My church I went to in college was a bi-lingual, more traditional church with very rigid sermon structures and a choir, where as my current church is more “go with the flow” structurally and musically 1 person leads us with an acoustic guitar through contemporary worship music.
Westboro Baptist Church is not affiliated in any way with the Southern Baptist Convention. SBC leadership has condemned them on numerous occasions. From the cursory research I did, it appears that they are independent and not connected to any other conventions or affiliations.
The Westboro Baptist Church is not part of the SBC, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) see Westboro as heretical, and the Westboro Baptist Church pickets, protests, and harasses SBC churches. The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) engages in real hate speech and harassment against atheists, Jews, Muslims, transgender people, Mormons, People of Color, and specific Christian denominations included Baptists (Southern Baptists, Northern Baptists/American Baptists, Converge, Venture Church Network/Conservative Baptists), Pentecostals (Assemblies of God, Foursquare Church), Catholics, Methodists, Anglicans/Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Evangelicals in general, and by extension other Christian with similar beliefs to the ones being harassed - this hate speech and harassment is real, the WBC is violent and aggressive, they also hold to very unbiblical anti-Christian beliefs.
@@leullakew9579 I knew about there hatful and heretical rhetoric, but for some reason I thought there were technically part of the SBC. Wasn’t trying to praise them or anything to be sure.
As a baptist, your assessment was really good. accurate. One major aspect of being baptist is the emphasis on Christian liberty, many times to a fault.
Man Charles Stanley was goated...I miss that man and he taught me alot about the Bible but I know he is praising with the Lord now
Hello to all my fellow Baptist brothers and sisters out there. Stay strong💪
It is partly because of RZ that i began my walk to faith starting in curiousity. About a year of asking, listening, reading, and understanding, I am thankful to you and God that my fiance and my kids will be becoming members at our local Orthodox parish in the near future. There is still so much to learn, but I am fortuitious to have found so much.❤
Having been raised Southern Baptist, and still being Baptist in much of my perspective, this was excellent! I enjoy all of your videos, and was very pleased to see how clear and even-handed you were with us low church believers.
(There are some reformed Baptist circles that do believe that they are receiving the body of Christ)
Independent Fundamental Chicken wing eating Baptist right here and i just wanna say, thank you for being neutral on our view! I was raised Catholic and was baptized and did some of the sacraments but i know deep down in my heart i wasnt saved. Fast forward years later i attended my first ever Baptist church and man, youll never hear preaching like that at any other church and they really let you know that salvation is a matter of life and death. We stay true to what the Bible says and that we do have the preserved word of God today in the KJV. Yes alot of people really hone in on it but its the truth. My Pastor wishes he didnt have to use the term baptist but its what he has to stick with because so many are led astray. The Bible is how we learn about God, where we get our theology from, and our instructions on how to get saved. Remember, Philip told the Eunuch first he must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ first before he can get baptized....just let that sink in.
The same eunuch that needed guidance from the church to understand scripture in Acts 8:31?😉
I grew up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, and boy was it culty. Now I'm closer to mainline Baptist beliefs, and have successfully brought over my formerly Catholic fiancee. It wasn't hard though, she had a lot of religious trauma from priests and parents and the like, so picking the denomination furthest from Catholicism was the best way for her to find Christ again.
I'm non denominational, but i got to say that baptists are pretty cool for being so consistent with the Bible. I'm just looking at different denominations to understand which is most reliable and not of human perception.
I'll become either Catholic or Baptist one day. It happens to all good Presbyterians!
lol 😂
And I’ll éther become Presbyterian or Eastern Orthodox as all good baptists do.
Why don't you pick one now?
@@WarriorcatGerda I think the filioque is pretty important so I’ll pick. . . Baptist
I went Baptist to Catholic.
When you love Scripture and History, you end up Catholic or Orthodox.
My grandmother goes to an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, and the things I learned about that denomination make all the sense in the world.
I still go to one. Bilingual in English and Spanish. The biggest difference is probably just the dress code.
I was raised in IFB churches my whole life up until we left about 3 years ago. There’s a host of issues for why we left, many of them denominationally-based and a few specific to our church. One of the biggest issues that stands out is the purity culture. It’s especially bad toward women. They are kept on an extremely tight leash as far as standards go when it comes to dress, modesty, and conduct. The VAST majority of these “standards” stem not from the Bible, but pastors and pastors’ wives, of course.
Don’t get me wrong, if you have a personal standard in the matter of your dress and modesty that’s extracurricular to what’s listed in Scripture, that’s fine. The problem arises when churches try to claim these standards AS Scripture rather than adherence to a particular culture.
This usually results in women getting taken advantage of and men having zero accountability whatsoever. See Let Us Pray: A Ministry of Scandals for reference.
@TomBombadil515 Unfortunately, things like that do happen. I grew up in a similar church. While my issues with that church are numerous, one of the problems was the inability to separate personal biases from what was taught in the Bible. We eventually left, and I now attend a mainline Baptist church.
@@VTdarkangel The IFBers are slowly loosening up. My fave preacher is CT Townsend at Victory Baptist in North Augusta. I looked at some facebook posts of some leaders in his church and to my shock their teenaged girls are wearing 2 piece bathin suits lol. they also use contemporary songs in worship
@@TomBombadil515women are to dress modest. Women must not wear men's clothing. Weinen cover heads when praying. And be silent in the churches. If you as a woman don't do those things then you are a liberal in rebellion against the Bible. Simple as.
Southern Baptist pastor here. Very accurate and charitable video. Thank you Redeemed Zoomer.
Really impressed with the video man. I thought you did a great job explaining the denomination and I was honestly surprised at the grace and praise you gave for the Baptists. Great examples and well thought out explanations. Well done!
2:36 no, you should get baptised by full immersion because the Greek word 'baptizo' literally means "immersed"
Except 'immersed' does not mean 'submerged under water'. In either language. It's why the only instance of 'baptizo' in Scripture where the method is unambiguous and explicit is... by pouring.
@@Mic1904may I get the verse? I’m not asking to try and disprove your claims, I just need more verses to use in debates.
@@Mic1904 it's a common term used most frequently to denote things like pickling. So, being submerged is definitely the normal way to think of it.
@@Mic1904 and according to the Didache, the preferred method was as follows: cold running water, warm running water, cold standing water, warm standing water, and immersion under the water then sprinkling over the head when enough water wasn't available.
@@vedinthorn Logical leap. The word being used to mean pickling vegetables does not suddenly make it, therefore, 'the normal way' to think of it Biblically. Especially since, you know, it blatantly and explicitly describes things in Scripture that absolutely are not full submersion. Frankly, if pickling is your example for what the baptizo 'norm' is, that should mean that a person is submerged and then stays there, at length.
I grew up in a Baptist church, my parents converted as agnostic middle easterners to Christianity through a Baptist Church in Texas, and it's amazing how much of what you're describing has been engrained in me as a Christian without me even realizing. I was apathetic about my faith until about 5 years ago (im in my late 30s now). Since I got serious about being a non-nominal Christian I have been studying deep into scripture as well as church history for the last 5 years. So much of what was taught to me as a Baptist has been hard to shed off or at least redefine.
For example: infant water baptism (I havent discovered a good reason to affirm or deny this practice), Baptism saves (Im still not convinced it "saves" you as in if you die before getting water baptized you're damned for eternity but I do believe it does something to a person spiritually), Avoiding nominal Christianity (im still 100% for this), Not assigning high salvation value to church institution/water baptism/good works (I definitely still have this in me, Im very self conscious about putting my faith in anything else other than Jesus), I 100% affirm Nicene creed, the Solas im still working through but im becoming more flexible against sola fide and sola scriptura (your faith must have some fruit & scripture shouldnt exist without a traditional lens), Calvinism or at least the hyper-calvinists was easiest for me to break free from (doesnt follow God's character), eucharist (it's definitely more than "just a symbol", early church viewed it as the actual body and blood of Christ in some way, spiritual/symbolic/literal). Im still in the process of learning but after watching this video I can feel the Baptist roots of me screaming.
The Bible tells us we need to make a confession of faith and get baptized. The way I see it is that the confession is the most important thing, as (for example) the thief who was crucified with Jesus was not baptized, but believed in Jesus, and that was enough to save him. However, if you make a confession, and have the ability to get baptized, but refuse, then that's a problem. It's a problem because, at that point, you are in disobedience. The people who baptize babies put the baptism before confession, but usually those churches will still require a confession of faith (Lutherans do that at least). I was Baptist for a good while, but shifted over to Lutheran. The infant baptism was hard for me to swallow, but on the other hand if baptism isn't part of the salvation process then it doesn't matter when or how it's done. If someone is teaching that baptism is all you need to be saved, then that's a wrong teaching/heresy. Or baptism + works saved, like the RC Church teaches is also heresy.
@@Procopius464 I pretty much agree with all of that. I'm not entirely convinced that the RCC truly teaches baptism + works = saved but they do put a heavy weight on doing the sacraments in order to be saved. I dont believe all of what the RC teaches is heresy. The way I see the RCC is that they put unnecessary burdens of doctrine to the faith (papal supremacy/infallibility, Marian dogmas, purgatory, ect) which leads to controlling the congregation into performing ritualistic patterns of behavior in order to be saved. It doesn't appear to provide "freedom in the Spirit" so to speak IMO.
If Calvinism wasn't true then explain Jonah, Pharoah, Esau, Lydia and more lol you all can't.
@@theonlylolking lol guess you win :P
@@theonlylolking If Calvinism is Biblical then why is it names after a guy who lived over 1000 years after the Bible was already written?
I was Mormon my whole life, after leaving the church and dedicating my life studying which church to follow.
Baptist was the only logical conclusion using Gods word.
Grew up in an SBC Church, and you pretty much nailed everything.
I personally think denomination war is silly but I understand the value in tradition as well.
As a lapsed Catholic and pretty much an agnostic at this point, the oddest thing about the SBC to me is still the congregational polity. Churches can leave, churches can join, churches can get kicked out, like Saddleback was. Hopefully this keeps things like situation we're seeing in the United Methodist Church from ever occurring to them.
Ave Maria
sorry it's a bit offtopic, but since you're mentioned that you're agnostic, I think it's still on topic to your comment, but we all have doubts along the way, if we could understand God completly He wouldn't be infinitely Great as He is. Don't let the things you don't know make you forget the things you already know, like God is a necessary being, absolute values exist (like morality, justice, logic, etc), miraclous are possible, our organs have a purpose, Jesus Crist ressurected from the dead and that God cares for us.
I have a very questioning mind, and a little questioning can take you away from God, but a lot of questioning will bring you closer to him again, because outside of him everything is a fiction, we can't even believe in our reasoning to bet our life and death on it, if our brain was not created by a superior mind with a purpose to reason, but the result accidents by random cosmal forces.
Just accidentally went to a baptist church…I thought it was a Wendy’s
and your point? with a name like "ayatollah" youd hardly be an expert about Baptists
@@caman171 au contraire, I am an expert in Americanism so fast food and baptists
@@AyatollahS.A.Khamenei youve just proved my point lol
@@caman171 y’all come back now y’hear
@@AyatollahS.A.Khamenei and you just keep proving my point
RZ hats off to you for giving us a fair representation here.
That being said, my church considers communion to be a sacrament and in receiving the body of Christ. Its why we dissuade those who are not sure of their salvation to partake.
It’s hard to believe this is the same Zoomer that roasted baptists every other video not that long ago. Thanks for this, it was nice and instructive getting a well spoken and well researched exposition of our denomination.
Overall good job making this accurate video about Baptists. However, one small error - in that chart at 9:37, you indicate that for Catholics "Yes - Unbelievers receive the Body of Christ." That's not correct - Catholics have "closed communion" - you must be a Catholic in good standing (i.e. in a state of grace without mortal sin) in order to partake of the Eucharist.
Also, just my perspective as a former Baptist (and whose family still is Baptist) - Baptists in general are strong Christians, but one aspect in which they are often quite lacking is knowledge of Church history. Of course, it's a generalization - not ALL Baptists are ignorant of it, but, from what I have observed, it is true for many. Also, even though it is accurate that devout Baptists usually do read Scripture a lot, from what I have observed, they do not usually have a really good knowledge of typology (i.e. the parallelisms between the Old Testament and the New Testament and how they are fulfilled).
I'd still argue that Baptists don't hold to Nicene christianity. The Nicene creed clearly affirms a belief in "One baptism for the remission of sins". Baptists cannot hold this belief without stretching it to mean something ENTIRELY different from what the rest of the church, both now and historically, have understood it to mean.
An argument can be made for Lutherans and Anglicans. Other than that, no Protestant holds to Nicene Christianity that I've ever seen or heard.
One holy catholic and apostolic church. That's what the creed plainly says. No qualifiers, no disclaimers, no further explanations. But since the plain words clearly contradict Protestantism, what every Protestant I've ever seen or heard on the subject does is redefine those words from the 4th century to agree with their theology in modern times. An example being how a Protestant affirms the one church part by saying "when they say church what they REALLY mean is the invisible body of Christ."
No, that's what you want it to mean right now so that you can say you affirm it. But that's clearly not what the original writers intended. They were 4th century bishops, church leaders who received their office through apostolic succession, meeting in council to define doctrine at the order of the emperor as part of ending the persecutions of Christians in Rome. You clearly cannot have defined doctrines or apostolic succession in an invisible body with no authority or organization. So the Protestant claim is that these people resolved the theological disputes by writing a creed that completely invalidated their authority to write creeds or resolve disputes.
It may not be obvious to the average Christian who doesn't go into church history, but it's absolutely impossible for a Baptist or almost any other Protestant to hold to Nicene Christianity. If the church you attend does not have bishops in its organizational structure, then you by definition do not hold to there being an apostolic church and so do not affirm the creed and do not hold to Nicene Christianity. I know that's not what you want to hear as a Protestant, but it is the truth. And it's not opinion. It's history. Go read it yourself if you disagree. You don't even need to open a book. Even Wikipedia says it.
Baptists affirm a modern interpretation of the words in the creed without reference to what those words were intended to communicate by the people who wrote them. That's not holding to Nicene Christianity. It's doing exactly the same thing to the creed that liberal Christians do to scripture when they claim the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality and such things.
@@patrickbarnes9874 As an Anglican; absolutely. Agree with you completely actually.
On a church camp trip ( ran by Baptist ) I explained to my youth leader what the nicene creed was. I also explained to my Baptist friends what my beliefs with baptism are. I’m an Anglican so I believe in high church and infant baptism.
Seventh Day Baptist reporting here, thank you for this good overview on Baptist standing and theology in general.
I'll never blame someone for forgetting the SDBs exist, we're only a few thousand strong, but we've been here a long while, This summer will be 353 years of Seventh Day Baptists in America.
I am a Baptist historian of 30 years. I have written many articles on Seventh Day Baptists. They gave us some great hymns like "On Jordan's Stormy Banks I Stand". This Baptist hasnt forgotten you!
Methodist/Weslyan Denominations explained for the next video?
I mean, it is a fair representation of the Southern Baptists, not literally the majority of Baptist across the time, anyway, was better than i expected 😂😅
Baptists across time have a track record of holding to these concepts. Credobaptism, "liberty of the soul", congregational or local government, Sola Scriptura.
The infamous irony of the Bible Belt is that while it remains *religious*, it is mostly nominal Christianity.
Baptist here, thank you so much for the accurate and honest representation! God bless you.
As a Baptist, the saddest thing about our denomination is the lack of continuity. I wish we all just agreed with the 1689 LBC and believed in real presence in communion (yes not all baptists are strict memorialists).
Memorialism is the single incorrect doctrine in the Baptist denomination, to me.
I believe in Consubstantiation.
@@TurtleShroom3 as a Baptist I most definitely believe in consubstantiation, and many other reformed baptists do too, but we’re the minority sadly
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Consubstantiation is the only logical system to me, because if Jesus didn't literally mean "this IS my Body" and "this IS my Blood", why did He say "unless you drink of My Blood and eat of My Flesh, you have no part in Me"? It's the one
I'm an Arminianist hard liner (though I also believe in Total Depravity) who teeters on Open Theism. My main reason I don't openly call myself that is because "the future is unknowable" downplays God's omniscience. Therefore, if I took Open Theism, the more correct answer would be that either God denies Himself His foresight by His own sovereign choice, OR the future does not exist and therefore God, who knows all that exists, does not have the future in His Omniscience because it has yet to happen.
Either way, even Open Theists agree that God pre-planned the redemption plan and Salvation, as well as Jesus always existing as part of the eternal Godhead, and that God is always sovereign and in control.
We got continuity! I get to read directly what Paul wrote in ad 40, what Jesus said in ad 30, what Moses wrote in BC 1440!
@@jonathanherring2113 yet there’s over 20 different baptist sects.
As a Baptist and also someone who wants an understanding of all denominations, I’m happy to see a good way to explain what us Baptists believe and what other traditions believe. You’ve clearly done your research!
Nominal Christianity also means "I am a Christian because I live in a country that has history of being a Christian society." Breaking it down further, one is Anglican because they are from England or Wales, Presbyterian for being from Scotland, Luther for being from northern Germany or the Nordic countries, being Catholic for being Italian, Spanish, or Portuguese, or considering themselves Orthodox for being Greek, Bulgarian, or Russian.
Thanks for the accurate video. I was raised in a mainline pietist/ liberal denomination. I went over to the Amriminian "free will" side of the aisle in my early twenties to "get saved." I even went to a Baptist "pan evangelical" college after my stint in the USAF. After learning Greek and spending years reading up on church history, I could never feel at home in that theological camp.
Ultimately, I read the Book of Concord and joined the LCMS. I've been there for more than two decades. The evangelical catholic faith, commonly called Lutheranism, makes the most sense to me when I compare the Scriptures with history. There are no perfect denominations on earth. Sin, death and the devil is everywhere. But each person must follow their conscience and will be judged according to the light which has been given to them. God speed to all.
As a side note, the "born again" translation from John 3 misses the point Jesus is making. That translation serves Nicodemus metaphor, not Christ's teaching. The Greek word is better translated "from above". Like the Temple curtain torn in two, it is a "top-down" birth, by water and Spirit. We don't choose Christ, He chooses us by grace alone. Read John's Gospel in that light. God speed...
Be a Gavin Ortlund, not a Steven Anderson.
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