Watch this before buying a Mac Pro 2006 - 2010 (1,1 2006 3,1 2008 4,1 2009 and 5,1 2010-2012)
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- This video is an overview of the differences between classic Mac Pro generations, meant to be a high-level view that shows many of the physical differences between the entire line up to help anyone new to the Mac Pro world make more informed choices. I'll give away a spoiler, get the Mac Pro 5,1. It's a big upgrade over the previous generations and it still a viable budget computer.
There's a lot of upgrades you can do, from the easy like adding hard drives, USB 3.2 Gen 2 (and all the nonsense like USBc, USB 3.0 vs USB 3.1 etc) to ones that require more information like replacing GPUs and adding NVMe or replacing the Wifi card, to the advanced hacks like modifying the power supply and adding Thunderbolt 3.
I shot the footage for this before I had my nicer camera on my iPhone 12 and I no longer have the 5,1s to reshoot ;) Hopefully anyone watching this finds it useful. If you already own a Mac Pro, this might not be the video for you but you can still check out the differences between all the classic Mac Pro generations.
0:00 Introduction
0:50 The PowerMac G5
2:07 classic Mac Pro Generations and the Xeon
3:20 Five Generations
4:18 Identify a Mac Pro visually
5:19 Shared Traits
7:55 Mac Pro 1,1 - 2,1 (2006-2007)
8:51 Mac Pro 3,1 (2008)
9:50 Mac Pro 4,1 - 5,1 (2009-2012)
In my videos, I may come off as harsh about the 1,1 or 3,1 but you own these, they're still usable machines and I'm much rather people find uses instead of e-waste. Now if you're a perspective buyer, the 5,1 is really the only computer to consider since they're still surprisingly nice-to-use, especially when spec'ed up with a decent GPU, moderate amount of RAM and SSD. I'd probably still be using one if it weren't for happenstance which enabled me to purchase a 2019. To this day, it's nearly the best dual boot experience with Windows 10. (I'd argue the iMac Pro, Mac Pro 2019 and iMac 2019 with 16 GB 5700 XTs are the only computers I'd take over the classic Mac pro). The 2006s are tough as a Mac they're binned to history without later Mac OS support and as Windows machines, a modest PC with a 4th gen iSeries will likely run circles around it. The 2008s are still modern OS capable but the pandemic made cheap GPUs non-existent and for whatever reason, DDR2 much more expensive than DDR3.
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Also editing this footage, I'm amazed how dirty a few of the machines were. Yikes. At least my cheesy animations are stepping up.
Shot on my Olympus EM-5 MK III and iPhone 12 Pro. Sound recorded via Rode GoMic and Shure SM7b via Clarett audio interface on my Mac Pro 7,1. Edited in Final Cut Pro X and Motion on my M1 Air. - Věda a technologie
Corrections: As many of you noticed, I say "X-zeon" instead of "Zeon". It makes me cringe but you can't edit old youtube videos,. The content is still good in this video.
Your Mac Pro upgrade guide blog is awesome. thanks for sharing it.
Awesome video man! Really informative and great editing on this. Love the background music with the talk over. Thanks for the insight.
Sir thank You for taking the time to explain the differences of the classic Mac Pro, GREAT VIDEO!!!
solid info. I just sold one of my 2008 3,1 Cmp. equipped with a Radeon 7950 MAC edition 3gb card. My main systems are 2 5,1 with 48gb and 5680 and 5690 cpu's, all 12 cores. Sweet for DAW and fcpx workflow. thanks for all the info
Because of your video, I bought a MacPro 5.1 2012 2x2.4 Ghz, 24 Gb ram, 240 Gb SSD, 500 HDD, 640 Gb HDD, ATI Radeon HD 5770 1Gb, High Sierra ,for 2000 DDK(about $183). I have installed a USB3 PCI and Asus 4xNVME with a 512 Gb NVme M2 card. On another 256 Gb SSD with Win 10 Pro.
Hopefully you can get a few years out of it
My first attempt at the mac pro was a 1,1 back in 2018, I firmware flashed it to a 2,1, but even back then it wasn't worth the hassle, so I sold it. Only week ago at the time of this comment I was lucky and managed to bag a 4,1 for just £10. It had a dead logic board, however I was able to purchase one for just £33. the best part the mac was fully kitted out for the purpose of Audio and video editing, it have a decklink card, among other pci cards.
The best video on CZcams explaining Mac Pro 2006-2012.
Thanks!
I like how you always refer back to your online guides. I've enjoyed your videos and will continue doing so. Keep them coming.
Thanks, the guide is basically the source materials for a majority of my vids.
@@dmug I’ve realized that as well. Your guide was one of the reasons I kept my old Mac Pro and kept upgrading it. I learned a lot on that PC and it was a treat to enjoy. Hopefully the next owner will get years and years out of that PC. (:
Super helpful thank you. It has set me on the correct path.
This video was super useful for me. Thanks!
I collect older Apple products and this video is a very helpful one! Thank you for the detailed information!
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Dude you make really good content. Just keep at it, the algorithm will pick it up at some point and reward you! You should be getting more views.
Perhaps try including some Windows gaming and overall macOS productivity information in a video, to give a full feasibility update on the 5,1 with different GPUs and use cases.
I appreciate it, my stuff is still rough on the edges. I’m still not happy to be on camera and I habitually mispronunciation things Xeon becoming “X-Zeon” or that time I said CUDA as “cuh duh”.
The big one is just not having a real office / studio but I’m blowing $3g on finishing out my gf’s garage so any luck I’ll have a slightly better place to record.
@@dmug Keep up the great work. Very few have your knowledge.
@@dmug Hello i have a question . Im using a Mac Pro early2008 running with El Capitan .
Befor i was running Catalina patcher .
For Software the catalinapatcher ist working fine but for multiple Monitors IT IS a Big Problem
I downgraded Back to El Capitan to See If i can Connect and Setup multiple Monitors
First i Connected two Monitors in the grafics Card
IT was working fine With the Same Resolution of 1920x1080
I want to move from Windows Computer to This Mac system because the osx is much more stable and better Plug and Play
No Driver Problems or troubleshootings
Ok
In my Windows PC i Connect Three Monitors
Two of Them on a VGA Splitter ( Same Monitors one is used AS Touch Screen Monitor ) in one DVI Port , the other one is a newer model because of has a HDMI Port but IT IS also Connected via VGA to DVI
Windows 7 is showing all Monitors and i the ones Connected thru VGA Splitter is showing the Same Desktop while the Touchscreen is working as it should
Now i First Connected the two Monitors wich is the newer and the older Monitor model to the Mac Pro early 2008
This is working fine choosing the 1920x1080 Resolution for both Monitors in Widesscreen and mirror Mode
But when i Connect the vga Splitter to Split the Signal so that i can use three Monitors over two grafics Card Ports the Mac Pro and El Capitan is Not providing the 1920x1080 Resolution
IT IS Not showing me the Resolution of 1920x1080 in the list or choosing IT by itself anymore
The Touchscreen Support over the USB cable is Not supported
( I already have the Touch Base Driver but i didnt Installed IT yet because i First need to fix This Problem with the Resolution )
My question is
Why is IT Not possible to easily Just Split the Monitors Signal Like in the Windows PC ?
I reconnected the Monitors to the Windows PC and is directly the Same Setup and the Monitors in the Same use as befor
Do i need a Second grafics Card to Support the third Monitor with the Same Resolution because the El Capitan is getting a confuding Input Signal from the two splitted Monitors ?
Very detailed video. Allowed me to see which Mac Pro I have (3.1) Thank you for the content.
Thanks, very useful informations
Thank you Mate. great video.
Just bought a 1,1 from a guy who said he didn't know which one it was. I knew nothing about Apple computers. Wish it was a newer one but it was only 80 dollars and i can use it for Linux/Windows and it's hard drive expandability.
The 1,1s run Windows and Linux fine, it's a bit more tricky but totally doable, you still load up macOS 10.11 to if it's something you're interested in trying.
blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#linux2006
I bought a Mac Pro 2.1 for 15€ 😅
Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for this video
2010 5,1 Mac Pro running Linux with 32-GB of RAM now. 4 SATA Drives 2 500-GB 10,000 RPM Drives one 10,000 RPM Drive setup as Root and the other setup for the Home Directory. 2 1-TB 7200 Drives one setup for Backup the other setup to run VMs. All drives running EXT4. Original Dual Xeon CPU and ATI 5770 GPU. Much faster and continues to update and get parched with Linux. I use this system for Photo Editing, Watching Movies, Web Browsing with multiple tabs open all at once. Vary Happy with this Machine.
I picked up a mac pro 1,1 for $50nz about six months ago and was going to use it for parts but instead I have it sitting by normal day to day PC workstation. The dual optical drives are great for downloading cds and I now use it as a master for my music collection. The other similar mac pro I have I use as a jukebox in my gym. The sound quality is pretty decent via the optical cable, Itunes works fine and four drive bays gives me plenty of storage to store my music collection in cd format. My opinion is that if you can get one cheap enough & can find a use for it (also providing it is in relative good order) then definitely still worth buying. This is also considering in NZ that the later models are still selling for $600plus. So for me the older machine works fine, is fit for purpose and cost a loss less.
I picked up my 1,1 for free from a recording studio in Wellington who was chucking it out. Its my daily driver mac in my studio.
That answers my question. I have 2 '08 mac pros. One is a single CPU and the other has the processors. I was going to beef it up but I'd rather grab a 5,1 and hot rod that for music production. I do have the 13" M1 macbook pro and a souped up 2013 imac 27" but I need tower power for all of the plugins and plenty of ports for all of my dohickies and what-nots.
Thank You for all your Great Work. It is MUCH appreciated ! Pls some more on Monterey & Ventura when you can.. What kind of Beer do you like or do you brew your own ?
I'll be updating the text guide again soon, I only have a 2008 Mac Pro these days and did do a video where I put Monterey on it:
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And I put Snow leopard on it really recently:
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As far as beer goes, I'm kinda a nerd, preferred styles are wild ferments/sours, of the American and Belgian variety: Lambics, Gueze, Krieks, Oud Bruin, Flanders, tart saisons/farmhouse. But I have a long love of barrel aged stouts, and you can catch be drinking modern West Coast IPAs, Imperial Stouts, Stouts, Porters, Pilsners, some less popular German styles like Maibocks, Dopplebocks, Eisbocks. I'm not really deep into a lot of the lagers styles and I don't care New England IPAs and dislike the hype beer styles like smoothies or pastry stouts. I don't brew my own, but my family owns a cidery on the southern Oregon coast and naturally I like craft ciders too.
In more recent vids I've kinda dropped the cracking a beer thing although I might bring it back now and again. I think people go the wrong idea about how much I consume. It's a cultural thing for the Pacific Northwest. My dad drank craft beer even when I was kid before it was cool in the early 90s and onward.
Really well done. You really are the definitive pro on the Mac Pros. I'd prior been through the G4 MDD Powermac, not sure I ever got the G5... But today am still using a 5,1 mid-2010, and i keep trying to squeeze the most out of it, incl video & image editing. Would like your opinion,. Just had it serviced about 6-9 months ago with new upgraded SSD, better GPU, Sapphire Radeon RX-580, pci card USB 3.0, 2 new INT hard drives WD Black 6T and Seagate 14TB drive. Other 2 have had a lot of wear, both are 6TB drives. Also use three 6 TB external drives for backups...
But things frustrating include such outdated bluetooth. i've used a BT USB 4.0 Iogear dongle and it works, but tried for many months to find a 5.x dongle and I've just never been able to find any that work on Macs.
I'm very low on money these days and I was hoping this would tide me over, but I'm getting more and more spinning beachball delays, and past 2 days external keyboard not working, and can't get any of 5 different wireless mice to work properly, the cursor's just sitting there not moveable, I did an NVRAM reset, now about to do SMC reset. ... I don't have any alternative macs to swap out,
so am grasping at straws, wondering if some used iMac Pro would get me decent bang for buck, but then I'd need NAS or other unit to house my INT drives etc. Long note I know, but any suggestions?
I don't have a 5,1 anymore but I'd take this to reddit or Macrumors or MacProUprade on Facebook and post specifically on what dongle + Keyboard / mouse and if you've made any changes etc.
Do you have a wired mouse/keyboard to test against? That'd be my first move, try and narrow it down to see if its bluetooth or something else.
thank you so much for this video, i picked up a 1,1 for 30$ at a recycling center and wasn't really sure what i had lol
tell me which adapter to buy to make RIDE 0 out of four 970EVO for Mac Pro 2009, flashed to 5.1. Mac os Mojave. I will always load OS from another Disk
I'm not sure what I'm looking at with the power cable on my 1,1. I don't see a socket, it looks like the connector is welded to the machine. I can't imagine it shipped with the power cable attached but I don't remember. I don't want to yank out the connector without knowing what I'm doing. I think it's an Apple Part #:922-5950 connector. Can I pry the cable out with a flathead? thanx.
if the imac 2011 27inch is the same problem? only the last version update GPU
Thank you!
My Mac Pro 3,1 is doing a random "Black Screen". I suspect it is the Video card. I have a NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB currently. Can you suggest a replacement cards? do you think that is my problem?
Just saw someone selling from my local fb market. 2010 macpro. I kinda want to build one but i have never done any computer build before. Is 300 a starting price? How much more will it cost me?
"I have the same cmptr Mac Pro 5,1 mid 2010 w/dual xeon x5690 processors (oc Monterey).
My question: is there a way overclock cpu
to their maximum turbo-speed of 3.733ghz?"
@Definitive Mac Upgrade Guide
Hello i have a question . Im using a Mac Pro early2008 running with El Capitan .
Befor i was running Catalina patcher .
For Software the catalinapatcher ist working fine but for multiple Monitors IT IS a Big Problem
I downgraded Back to El Capitan to See If i can Connect and Setup multiple Monitors
First i Connected two Monitors in the grafics Card
IT was working fine With the Same Resolution of 1920x1080
I want to move from Windows Computer to This Mac system because the osx is much more stable and better Plug and Play
No Driver Problems or troubleshootings
Ok
In my Windows PC i Connect Three Monitors
Two of Them on a VGA Splitter ( Same Monitors one is used AS Touch Screen Monitor ) in one DVI Port , the other one is a newer model because of has a HDMI Port but IT IS also Connected via VGA to DVI
Windows 7 is showing all Monitors and i the ones Connected thru VGA Splitter is showing the Same Desktop while the Touchscreen is working as it should
Now i First Connected the two Monitors wich is the newer and the older Monitor model to the Mac Pro early 2008
This is working fine choosing the 1920x1080 Resolution for both Monitors in Widesscreen and mirror Mode
But when i Connect the vga Splitter to Split the Signal so that i can use three Monitors over two grafics Card Ports the Mac Pro and El Capitan is Not providing the 1920x1080 Resolution
IT IS Not showing me the Resolution of 1920x1080 in the list or choosing IT by itself anymore
The Touchscreen Support over the USB cable is Not supported
( I already have the Touch Base Driver but i didnt Installed IT yet because i First need to fix This Problem with the Resolution )
My question is
Why is IT Not possible to easily Just Split the Monitors Signal Like in the Windows PC ?
I reconnected the Monitors to the Windows PC and is directly the Same Setup and the Monitors in the Same use as befor
Do i need a Second grafics Card to Support the third Monitor with the Same Resolution because the El Capitan is getting a confuding Input Signal from the two splitted Monitors ?
Good job. Great overview. Recent buyer of a 2012 12-core and will upgrade over time … (NB Zee-On rather than Exx-on ;-)
Yep, one of the fun things about this learning in real-time things you mispronounce ;) doesn’t bug me too much if people rib me about.
It kinda shows most of the people I know in person aren’t into computer hardware or that I do not spend much time watching tech vids or I’m a terrible listener. Looking forward to the next one i learn about, although I’m sure speakers of King’s English will love my North American pronunciation of jaguar and aluminum.
Steve Jobs was a consummate presenter; probably the best in the business. However, his pronunciation of Jaguar always (briefly) grated. He used to say Jag-wire. Ditto Jay Leno. Outside the USA, including Jaguar's home, it is Jag-you-are. But I think you know that already ;-). Keep up the great videos, they're hugely helpful to this Mac veteran since 1989 … but with the Mac Pro, only for a few weeks …
the 1,1/1,2 also make great living room side tables.
I watched this video a few days ago and today I bought two 2009 4,1 mac pros for $200 AUS from a lawyer. One of them came with a high quality Radeon graphic card worth $100 alone. My plan is to recondition them and upgrade them thanks to the definitive Mac Pro Upgrade Guide more as a hobby and turn them into media and entertainment machines. I had already bought some a couple of 250 GB sata SSDs, 2tb and 1tb western union harddrives and a Samsung 500gb MNVe plus a double silverstone adapter for under $150. You are so right on how easy these machines are to work on. If I never came across your channel, I doubt I would have bought any mac pros due to lack of knowledge. Keep up the good work. And thanks.
That’s awesome to hear, I’m glad people are still able to use these machines and $200 AUD seems like a fantastic buy from what I’ve seen from the Australian market. Great score, even stateside that’d be a great deal.
regards from brazil. thks for ur videos,
If you have a 2006, buy a sas to Sata card. You can run all the drives at Sata2 instead of Sata1. Also keep in mind this is not a true 64bit processor. Lots of 64bit software will not run with this logic board. Definitely would skip this computer unless you own one already…I had a 2006 and loved it…kept it until 2019. Gave it to a friend. It still had not died.
can I make my macpro mid 2010 to 2022 level?
Hello! One question: What is the best option, or the fastest processor that I can install in a mac 5.1 mid 2012? I currently have 6-core Intel Xeon 3.33GHz. And if it is worth making the improvement?
The only thing faster is the X5690 and it’s roughly 3-5% faster. Worth it I can’t say but it wouldn’t be super notable day to day unless you’re doing processes that take significant amounts of time where 3-5% is noticeable.
blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#cpu51
Hi and great explanation of the golden oldies. Maybe you could advise me. I'm an audio production guy on an old 2012 mini mac 17, with mojave on an ssd running logic, reason and native instruments kontakt 6 etc. But i can only take my audio so far before it struggles. I've been seeing mac pro 5,1 2x intel xeons cpu's with ssd , 48 gb ram for around 400£ on my ebay and am wondering if this would be a good move to migrate my mojave music build onto? Cheers in advance 👍 ✌
If you want PCI conversion and flexibility you may go for 5.1, if you just want a beast for cheap for music production go for a macbook air M1 or mac mini M1 (I would get a macbook air M1 instead or macbook pro M1 as they specs the same and are less power consuming) and buy internal HDD or SDD, and a case to make them external to avoid Apple tax
Ive seen mac mini for 400€ on my local trade site.
I still have a Mac Pro 1,1 2006. Over the years I've replaced the standard GPU with an ATI Radeon HD 5770 (1Gb). It's now running Windows 10 and I'm wondering if a better GPU would work to get more life from it. Is there a GPU with 6Gb available that would work?
If you want to to boot 10.11 there’s the Nvidia drivers that support the 700 and 900 series. The GeForce 770 is nice upgrade over the HD5770 and usually can be found semi-sane pricing
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-770-vs-AMD-HD-5770/2174vsm7752
The thumbnail makes it look like he's in front of an industrial test kitchen, outfit and all.
Are the GPU power connectors on the 3,1 considered "mini 6 pin" or standard? They look much bigger then the ones on the 5,1 which are definitely "mini 6 pin."
No need to repeat the same question on every video
Found a 3,1 dual cpu mac pro with 2gb of ram and the stock gpu. No airport card. I reinstalled el capitan and all works well. Looking for upgrades now
You probably can score a GeForce 770 for like $20 in the right place and flash it to support the EFI boot screen. RAM is hard to find in the 800 MHz variety, it sucks but it is what it is. You can stick in the 667 MHz and it'll work. I'm not sure what the street price is on it but its a lot less than the 800.
Vendors sell the the broadcom chipsets and min PCIe adapters.
Also, I'd just skip on NVMe if you're going budget and for easy use and even on the internal SATA2 bus, SATA SSDs make a world of difference. Happy upgrading!
Hi, My Mac does he leaf lower aspect for ha very reason, I tried o put a Dual processor into a single 6 core processor mac that was flashed to 5.1. But is there away around the leaf blower aspect so I can use the dual-core to run a 12 core mac? or will that not work at all?
Sounds like you have a 4,1 dual processor tray that you tried to use in a 5,1 Mac Pro (or a 5,1 processor tray in a 4,1). If you mix and match, it'll boot but the fans will be running at maximum.
I got three Classic Mac Pro machines for free... Are they worth keeping?
You videos are really helpful. Does it make sense to upgrade from 3.33ghz to 3.46ghz on a mac pro 2010 5,1 single cpu tray to utilize 64 gb of ram? is it even possible? Will the update actually the 64gb??
If you're using any of the Westmere CPUs, which it sounds like you are if it's a 6-Core 3.33 GHz CPU. you should be able to use 64 GB of RAM on the single CPU. There's no need to upgrade just for RAM.
The upgrade will only net you about 5% performance increase. Aliexpress has the x5690s for about $45 last I checked. I doubt you'd notice the speed increase much but it's up to you if it's worth it. If you're on a W series CPU like the W5590, it's very much worth the upgrade as you'll go from 4-Core to 6-Core.
It will run more efficiently with 48gb in 3 slots. As the ram controller is 3 channels per cpu and runs more efficiently than when all 4 slots are filled.
I got a Mac Pro 1,1 from our local computer thrift store for $5 in poor condition. Fixed it up and it runs my specialty software under WIn 7 in perfect order---Old Intel Macs make wonderful Windows computers !!!! ..... LOL
I found a 2008 Mac Pro with like 64gb of ram and a gtx 780 that has like 3gb video memory on Facebook market place for only $25 idk if I should buy
That’s an exceptionally fair price but It’s only worth $25 if you have a use for it and/or desire to own one.
Very good video, thank you.
Nice
I bought a 2008 mac pro for $150 and it goes well but I did want a 2010 model but people are wanting too much for them and I would prefer a m1 mac mini for the same money. Great video but there are better options out there than the mac pro 2008 to 2012.
The dual CPU ones seem to be overpriced, especially today but I have seen locally Mac Pro single-CPU ones go for $150 recently. Prior to the pandemic I'd be surprised at the the deals people would get. I bought a second 5,1 in 2019 for $300 only to see in various groups people picking 5,1s in lot sales at $50 a machine. It's tough for me to make blanket statements markets are so wildly different, especially at the global scale.
I agree, if you're crossing a certain threshold the M1 is a smarter buy, especially if you cross the threshold being about to buy a Mac Mini M1, 16 GB of RAM / 512 GB of storage model. Some people have very specific use cases and the M1 doesn't fit. Those are dwindling but soon it'll be pretty sparse beyond legacy, dual booting and VMs.
I have a 1,1 modified with 3,1 parts to be a 3,1. It's a great mac running Mojave, I even got Big Sur to run. Despite this though I'm thinking of replacing it with a 5,1
Yeah, I made that jump around 2018. I went from a dual CPU 2.8 GHz 2008 as I noticed Serato would lose parity and goof up often after about 20 minutes of use which was annoying. Then I went to a Mac Pro 5,1 dual six-core 2.93 GHz and it was noticeably faster, especially using things like Serato, virtual machines, audio apps and video editing. If you can get one cheap, you can nab from AliExpress the same x5670s for all of $10 a pop shipped. For $20 you'd have a computer more than 2x as fast in multicore.
I'm interested though in your 2008, did you replace the logic board + CPUs?
@@dmug Surprisingly it was pretty straight forward replacing the parts. I found a guide online documenting the process but I can't seem to find a link. I had to replace the Memory Cage/Back fan, RAM tray, motherboard and cpus, Northbridge heat sink, Front fan assembly and motherboard cables with the 3,1 equivalents. Two 2.8ghz Xeons came with 3,1 board.
Once they all arrived, I replaced all the 1,1 parts with the 3,1 parts. It was pretty simple until I realised the 3,1 motherboard cables couldn't reach the 1,1 power supply. So I made a cut in the aluminium between the power supply area and the DVD drive area to get the psu cables through to connect to the motherboard cables.
I forgot to add that I also had to move the rubber feet from the 1,1 board to the 3,1 board. Most of the screw holes met the board but there was 1 or 2 left behind that didn't matter. I also bought a flashed radeon hd 7950 for future mac pro use.
Once done the Mac worked perfectly and performs the same as my dual core 2019 macbook pro that I used to have. Only 1,1 parts left are the case, power supply and fans. The 600mhz ram is also being used with the 3,1 board which of course slows the machine down.
If you kept the 1,1 fans, the 3,1 board wouldn't had been able to control them on boot so the mac would just turn into a jet engine. The 1,1 memory cage also doesn't fit with the northbridge heatsink or the 3,1 ram tray.
It was a really cool upgrade to do.
@@MrRetroGeek Very cool. That's more hardcore than any of the upgrades I've done to the Mac Pro. I can only hang my hat on the Pixlas mod, and drilling out a small hole to feed SATA to the optical bay on my 2008.
I assume that was done quite awhile ago when finding a pile of 2008 parts was a lot cheaper than getting a fully functional 2008 as that's an undertaking.
@@dmug wow hearing all this talk about the 2008 makes me want to take mine out the closet and tinker with it again. But I was seriously thinking about turning it into a media server for my plex videos. But not sure what I want to do with it. It’s still a solid built machine even in 2021.
@@d.harris790 It is fast for plex, at least when I tried it about 9 years ago with 1080p. I dunno if you care about such things but I used my 2008 for awhile as my Media PC and had it dual boot Windows and played PS2 games using PCSX2.
The old Mac Pros are very well endowed for doing multi-track audio. If using Avid audio cards or other makers hardware, the old Macs are still great for doing 128 tracks of high definition audio production. Multi core Intel CPU's are great for audio render.
I have a Classic 5,1- I upgraded it it has 4 drives, totalling about 10 terabytes of storage. My question because you are clearly a musical Creator…is because Cakewalk only runs on Windows.. is it a simple matter of just loading Cakewalk to a specific hard drive where I have installed Windows 10. and then running everything on to that drive when using the DAW. Or do I have to buy Logic Pro and run it on Mojave??? Hope this is not a really stupid question.
Nah, not a dumb question. So what is it you're trying to accomplish? Do you want to load previous cakewalk projects into a Mac app like logic, or do you want to dual boot and continue to use Cakewalk in Windows and then boot macOS for other things?
If I'm following correctly, you want to be able to dual boot. That means either partitioning a drive or better, using a single drive for Windows and booting off that since these Macs can boot Windows 10. macOS can read NTFS (Windows formatted HDs/SSDs), but it cannot write to them without special software. Windows cannot see/read or write to APFS or HFS+ (Mac formatted drives) without special software. Most people who dual boot have specific Hard drives or SSDs for each OS, as trying to use software like Paragon (which exists for both macOS and Windows to accomplish reading/writing between different formatted drives) is expensive and messy.
If you're trying to move away from Cakewalk, then you'll be stuck exporting your music as multitrack exports/stems/midi files, etc. There's not really an easy way to move between DAWs. You'd be stuck buying an audio app like Logic, or Cubase or Ableton or Protools which all have Mac versions.
Feel to reply and I'll try and explain further.
@@dmug Wow thanks for that, yes your interpretation of what I want to do was correct.
I will give the windows 10 install a go on a cleared reformatted drive which is currently available and load cakewalk on to that. See how we go. Thank You :) If it works with a normal hard drive that will save me upgrading now and permit me to get an Arturia Microfreak Synthesizer. Thanks again :)
@@JodieAprilMae If you're sticking with Mojave for the Mac side, you'll want to install Windows 10 using legacy mode. This is done by using a DVD by burning the ISO to disk.
If you're going the OpenCore route on the Mac side, then you'll need to first install OpenCore and then install Windows 10 via a USB stick.
It's annoying as if you chose to one day go to OpenCore, you'll have to do serious gymnastics to get your Windows install to work in the EFI mode.
After you've installed Windows 10, you'll want to install the Bootcamp drivers but you'll need to install specifically the later version of the Bootcamp utility so it'll recognize APFS so you can target your Mac's HDD.
blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#windows10
This looks much worse than it is
github.com/timsutton/brigadier/
Then check out:
forums.macrumors.com/threads/how-to-boot-camp-without-a-boot-screen.2114788/page-9?post=26689280#post-26689280
@@dmug Definitely LOOKS a bit scary. I am away from my Mac Pro at the moment… will be back home to try this next Sunday. Hopefully I will be able to report all well and good. There is another factor, and that is installing Native Instruments Komplete Ultimate 13 on the same drive assuming the Windows installation works. There will be a lot of you tube watching and reading in the meantime.
@@JodieAprilMae Not sure about the Windows version but Massive X now requires AVX on the Mac side (CPU instruction set that the 5,1s do not have). I think most of Komplete 13 works on the classic Mac Pros but sadly one of the better instruments does not. You may be able to track down an older version that still is.
Wery cool info for smoki g apse
I had a PowerMac G5 that continued to work great but got too old for updates. I would have kept it but I couldn't use Netflix as Silverlight not supported on PowerPC. I donated it to charity but Linus destroyed it. :) !!!
Im thinking on getting a 3,1 because they are mighty cheap here and I believe I can upgrade well
wIf you can find a very cheap GPU, they're workable machines hobby machines.
If you're looking for something to be a daily driver, at the cost and time of getting one working with the latest macOS (replacing the wifi chipset, Metal compatible GPU, SSD) you're probably at the cost of a used Mac Mini. The 4,1/5,1 single CPUs are only $15-25 CPU away from outperforming the best 3,1 as the 6-Core CPUs are much faster and have later Intel instructions sets that make Virtualization and certain tasks run much faster.
@@dmug well 5,1 here are 3000 Polish Currency and yea I want it to be my daily driver I just want to replace my Macbook 17 inch that has a Gpu Issue. I have a Mac mini aswell but I want a more powerful machine because I cant upgrade mine and the Macbook is useless now
@@dmug but thanks for the advice and suggestions
How can you check if you own a real 2010/5.1 instead of a flashed 2009/4.1?
About this Mac, even if it's flashed, it'll report as 2009.
i love my 3,1 however if i could get a dual socket 5,1 then id be happy currently i own two g5s one is a quad converted tgo air the other is a 2 ghz also a 2,1 and 3,1 mac pro
The 2008 served me well for a decade but in 2018 I got a Mac Pro 2010 and was surprised what a substantial upgrade it was
@@edwinmunter708 oh I have it at 3.45 ghz now lol with 32gb ram and a gr 750ti
@@dmug I'd like to see you give that 3,1 some love, you might be surprised how substantial contemporary upgrades are.
I meant to address Greg, 3.45 ghz?
@@edwinmunter708 used set fsb on Windows to oc the cpus mine are dual 3.2 but because I'm using 667 mhz ram I can oc the CPU 200 mhz without yo much fuss as 90 percent of 667 mhz ram will happily take 200 plus mhz any higher they don't do well
cMP all the way!
Let's hope DosDude makes a patcher for Monterey!
Unfortunately, it’s not going to happen since we’ve past merely patching. The developer who made the OS patching package, RMC macOS patched, that DosDUDE1 uses, isn’t update it anymore. Plus, Big Sur introduced more challenges the security realm.
It’s all opencore from here on out and despite being more of a pain, also more elegant as it’s not modifying the OS itself, hence why you can install updates unlike DosDude1.
The upside is despite the complications of OpenCore it can do things that patching the OS itself couldn’t never do.
Nah... I will never go beyond Mojave. Oh, now I basically say Mac is on a dead end for me. We'll see... Maybe once the design team does away with the Candy Crush styling shit I will look back and get a M1 bargain in 2030. All apps support 10.14 today, so I miss nothing so far.
Bought an 32-bit EFI Mac Pro 2,1 2007/2008 franked El Capitan on there, then 64-bit Windows 10 followed by Windows 11 bypass. And it updates so beware the 2,1 is back
What is delidded CPU's please ?
CPUs that no longer have the heat shield, there’s a lot of videos that show the process.
@@dmug Oh ok so we can remove it of any CPU ? Im gonna watch if you got mac pro cpu update guide on your channel
@@dmug Oh it seems you didn't make one, do you know a good reference for CPU guide upgrade on 4.1/5.1 or will you be interested in making one ?
@@DarkTrapStudio Sorry, I don't have a Mac Pro 5,1 anymore soon that's off the table, at least for the forseeable future. I know there's other videos that show the upgrade process, I think House of Moth did one. The CPU upgrade process is straightforward if you've ever done a CPU upgrade on the 5,1s and the single CPU 4,1 as they do not require delidded CPUs. You just need the long torx to unfasten the CPU, be sure to wipe off the heat sink to get rid of the old thermal paste, drop in the CPU, apply new thermal paste, reseat the heatsink (do not over tighten) then NVRAM reset when you boot.
@@dmug No problem, Thanks a lot !
If you want to run Linux on a 1,1.
Remember the UEFI is 32 bits and the processor is 64 bits.
So booting Linux can be difficult.
I bought a cMP 5,1 mid-2010 2.8 recently to make it a DAW. Turns out, none of my USB MIDI devices were detected after spending a week installing successive versions of MacOS. My PC dealer gave me a full refund on it, since he was the one who convinced me to get it over a 2017 MacBook Pro. My advice to anyone thinking of buying one: unless you're collecting obsolete junk, don't waste your money. Apple has made it impossible to use these without so much hacking and searching for patches & kexts, it was harder than any Linux or Windows install I've ever done. Even if free, the 2013 is the oldest one you'd want. This 5,1 is slower than my ASUS Rampage IV Extreme PC from 2012. Furthermore, after switching to a Hackintosh build, I found it's not much harder to use PC hardware, even with OpenCore.
It is insane how many people out there believe the PowerMac G5 and the Mac Pro are the same computer because they look very similar. Nothing can be further from the truth, as like this video states, you can't run anything higher than OS X Leopard on a G5 because all Mac operating systems after Leopard require an Intel processor.
But perhaps most importantly, critical software like Final Cut Pro 7 will supposedly only run on a Mac with an Intel processor, according to the Apple, who wrote the program. However, Final Cut Pro 7 only requires OS 10.5.6 or later, so it would be interesting to see if you could trick a G5 into running FCP7. 🖥️
10.7ppc was released by dev.
@reality: There the 10.6 beta but I’ve never seen 10.7 for PPC, got a link for that?
@@dmug you’re also completely wrong about 1,1. It’s a beast that supports 64gb ecc, Monterey through windows 11 virtual machine, on nvme. Hell, I’ll ship you the machine to talk about.
@@werehyenataur I have a busted 1,1. Most users who are interested in getting into Mac Pros probably should skip it if they're hoping to use modern apps.
This isn't to say they were once great but Apple's decision to drop support really took the most compelling feature: the ability to run macOS, away from them. Considering the prices of the 3,1s and 1,1s aren't usually more than a few dollars, I just can't recommend them in any facet as they've been mothballed but if someone already has one and has a use case, then awesome. I support this as keeping ewaste out of landfills is great but given a choice of buying one? I'll always push someone towards the 4,1s/5,1 single CPUs over any of the previous gens because of the massive performance gains.
@@dmugthey should be recommissioned for old apps from the mac archive as 10.4-10.11 offered great apps and support for 32bit cards/apps, which gets dropped after 10.13. This saves time/money when budgeting a complete editing/gaming system vs newer shit. Every computer shop and grandma’s attic has these boat anchors for free. Ive never paid more than $10 per each. NVME cards are supported but I never did locate them again after methheads gutted my 1,1. It did run windows 10, and from there should be able to virtual machine above 10.11. You need to STOP mentioning money in your vids and just talk technical shit otherwise people will pass up these innovations and you’ll miss out on hackers like myself proving you wrong about how 1,1-3,1 are more useful than a crap 4,1-5,1 that you failed to mention drops 32bit pcie support when flashing
@@werehyenataur I don't think I'll be able to please everyone, price is such a big factor the majority of people in the Mac Pro community that it merits discussion. The desire to keep using these computers wouldn't be nearly as strong if Apple had offered an expandable computer at more attainable price-point. This video is approaching the cMPs from the lens of a user who's new to the world of classic Mac Pros and my guess is the primary interest in that these computers can run macOS natively (or better worded more natively than a hackintosh). There's more limitations that are inevitable, the further back you go.
Again, finding utility in the 1,1s is something I support but it'll be an uphill battle arguing that the 1,1 is more useful to majority of users. There's always edge cases and I try to account for them as much as possible I will always miss something as evidenced by the Definitive Mac Pro Guide ballooning to 51,000 words after 4 years with hundreds of edits. If there are things I'm missing in my guide I'm always happy to be corrected as I'd rather have my guide be accurate over "right". I know my guide is 3,1-5,1 centric and it's because of the interest levels from the community. There's simply more information and more resources out there for the 4,1s/5,1s.
3:59 Table - CPU types isn't correct, not same
oh dammit! Good catch
Time here;
The Radeon "Pro" VII does not pull as much power as the Regular Radeon VII, making this the most powerful GPU you can get without the Pixlas mod.
At this point it'd be the 6800 but interesting about the VII Pro, those were exceedingly uncommon and expensive.
Fuck, i wish i had as many Mac pros as you hahah. I had a nice xserve that got destroyed in a move, and a cheese grater. Now i have just one - the new cheese grater haha
I only have my Mac Pro 3,1 these days for classic Mac Pros
@@dmugah gotcha. i was just being envious in a polite way 😂
How the hell does someone pronounce "Xeon" so wrong? Have you never heard anyone else say it?
Ha, I keep getting this comment and probably will so until people stop watching this video. I updated the thumbnail to make fun of it soon as the first person pointed it out.
You'd be surprised how little I talk about computers in person and how little I watch CZcams prior to creating this channel. Not like my friends and family give a crap about any of this.
I figured if I mispoke about something technical that'd be where I get crucified. Instead it's been pronunciations, I've said "El Captian" instead of "El Capitan" (that one was a goof rather than mispronounced) and slurred "NVidia" as "Nvidah". Not a big deal as moving forward I'm more cognizant but the downside is I can't correct errors in a video without reuploading.
I fully expect the UKers to be really upset when I say "jagwire" for jaguar.
@@dmug You def have a mellow sense of humor; i personally can't stand all the picayunish comments & worthless observations about getting a pronunciation wrong. Who tf cares, it's the quality of the knowledge that counts!
The 'x' in Xeon is pronounced like 'z'
Yep, the surefire way to learn you said something wrong is to post a CZcams vid about it and then get to hear about for years to come.... ;)
Z-ON
One of the most common comments, yep yep. People will never let me live this down.
Exactly the video I was looking for. Thanks a lot. But damn, your Macs are really dusty!
Yeah, that was the double factor of using an old machine shop as an office and not using the other Mac Pros.
Owned the G5 and still won't forgive how Steve Jobs left us to rot. Promising this and that. Only to disown a machine that wasn't even 1 year old to go to Intel. The thing is a door stop, an expensive door stop. That didn't even get the next iOS update promised....thanks Steve. Still dead right? Just like my G5......
... and here I thought I really disliked the G5. Dang.
@Definitive Mac Upgrade Guide - it's pronounced 'Zeon'.
I'd say about 1 in 4 comments are just this.
Nah, Ksee-on. Zeon is a place in Mobile Suit Gundam.
whattttt? egzion!?
Xeon is pronounced zeon
I would NOT recommend the 4.1/5.1. Those are overrated and overpriced doing 1K easily with dual 6-core CPU's and demanding a GPU upgrade, OSX patching horror challenge. And it is still a friggin attic heater at 500W! They were good for day to day use in 2018, but not today. Even a 2012 quad MacMini is more useful today.
The 3.1 2x2.8GHz with GT120 is the sweet spot IMO. 150 bucks is enough to get a good one, you can find them with a bunch of HD's inside, rendering them an awesome backup machine that always works, capable of quad-booting Windows 10, OSX 10.6 and 10.14 and Linux. And still, they are pretty fast. 8x2.8GHz has some punch.
Yeah, yeah, it’s Zeon. I can’t change the video without deleting it.
Prices have really fallen since it makes zero sense to pay more than the basic M1 Mac Mini. The dual CPU 4,1 and 5,1 generally are about $300, land they idle at about 120w. The 2012 Mac Mini has the same set of problems with OS updates, lack of AVX/AVX2.
I’d say the best value are the single cpu tray 4,1/5,1s as they now often go for about $150 and a single cpu 6 core is faster than the best 3,1, easier to get working in Monterey, lower heat output/power than a 3,1, native NVMe support and doesn’t require a wifi chipset upgrade for later OSes, all for about $50 more than the 3,1s. My 3,1 is what got me started with the Mac Pros but it was a pretty big upgrade going from it after a decade to the 5,1.
@@dmug Good prices there, here expect to pay at least 500-600€ for a machine like that. Again, one should not want Monterey, so that is no issue on the Intel Mini's
EggsEON.
yes
The “X” is pronounced as a “Z”, ie Zeon. Come on now.
You'll love my video where I say CUDA as "Cuhdah" instead of Koodah. One of joys of my channel is watching me mispronounce technologies since I never discuss this stuff in person nor do I watch videos.
There, updated the thumbnail ;)
eggzion :D
Ha, yep. I learned really fast I mispronounced it. Same with Cuda.
Bro, clean your computers 😅.
It's not "Egzion" processor, but "Zee-on"
IT IS DEAD unfortunately for such an ICONIC Design and features.....I sold mine in 2019 upgraded to the teeth because the XEONS inside didn't have the AVX instruction built in like more modern CPU's...I miss it but RIP LEGEND ! The computers Apple builds nowadays are JOKE! even if they are powerful.
Yeah, there's still people making use of them but things like Massive X require AVX and I own NI Komplete so checked out of the classic Mac Pros early during the pandemic. I bought mine a month before Apple announced the switch to Apple Silicon which annoyed me but it's not like there's an Apple Silicon Mac Pro yet.