The 2016 Cleveland Cavaliers share their TRUE thoughts on Michael Jordan
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Not enough people realize that Mike is undefeated on the championship stage.. 6 NBA titles, 2 Olympic Gold Medals, 1 Pan America Games Gold Medal, 1 Tournament of the Americas Gold Medal, 1 NCAA Championship, was a McDonalds 1st Team All American in high school and was even awarded a Presidental Medal of Freedom in 2016..
Ultimately, whenever Jordan reached the biggest stage, he made sure he was the one holding the hardware at the end.
Since realizing I, like yourself and everyone to this day, was constantly brainwashing myself that MJ was the 🐐, for no other reason than I grew up idolizing him and being told he was God and that was that 🤷♂️ ; I have yet to hear an argument in defense of MJ, that even makes sense
Now to your comment:
MJ HIMSELFFFF has said time & time again: “you cannot succeed or be the best, without failing”
I religiously watched MJ growing up….he was god
Ask yourself;
why was he “undefeated”…ask yourself honestly, it’s almost like he wasn’t even close to winning 💍‘s until HoF Scottie Pippen came along…he didn’t win against ANY team on the level that LBJ has, not even remotely close…he had such a stronghold on the league when he played , essentially still does, ESPECIALLY if you listen to any old head whatsoever (to the point where if you have even 1% of a working brain in your skull, you can’t deny those guys sound like they were forced to get on their knees & proceed to orally service him before every game…and still have too 😬..it’s almost like there’s a reason?? 🤦♂️😂) you will see things start getting off the rails
He then takes a break, which he did again later (notice how he CONVENIENTLY took breaks in between times where you can’t say he could have lost a finals) but also note how NOBODY brings up ‘95 when he returned and didn’t make the finals (idc if he wasn’t basketball rdy 🤷♂️ Tf did he come back at that time for then?) It literally makes no sense, and it’s extremely odd why it’s misrepresented that he’s “always got the job done/his playoff record is immaculate” Ntm the fact the bulls had an AMAZING record year he left: almost like that team was really good plus they had Michael Jordan??? Almost the diametric opposite of taking an entire team of 🗑 to the finals your 3rd year into the league, and then doing it again a decade later, after going 9 straight times Lmao…
He also had the best coach of all time during those years, AND the last 3, had THREE HoF’s and THE BEST REBOUNDER OF ALL TIME, on the starting lineup
This is all, without even throwing in the fact that the league/game, was objectively EASIER then (nobody then knew you could play like MJ until MJ, Allen Iverson was probably the first true, top tier player, we had seen play that way after being introduced to that style; the league n the last 15 or so years, has so much more talent it’s not even comparable whatsoever)
The fact is: everyone was so caught up being brainwashed their whole lives that MJ was god, you all still haven’t woken up 🤷♂️ the media was built AROUND him because it was before the internet/social media (ask yourself what all of this ^ and truly reminisce back to those days/times….) and how everything I’ve alluded too, not only COULD or DID ensure these things, think about why would the powers that be, NOT ensure those things..
MJ was the Michael Jordan of all Michael Jordans
That good huh?
Our MJ would've had a positive record against other MJ's in different universes. I still don't think people understand how insane it is to win all 6 times you go to the finals.
@@Seanna104 People still try to demonish or downplay unfortunately
@@ThaRealElementXFax
Yes and LeBron is the LeBron of all Lebrons. 🤨😩
Jordans era is way to different,the physicality is tough,unlike today.he is who he is,MJ All the Way.❤
MJ...without question!
MJ the GOAT period 💯
How is this a conversation 🤷🏾♂️
They talk about LeBron's Final opponents, but Mike had a tougher path to the Finals.Piston's, Celtic's, and Knicks were way better teams than anything Bron ever faced in the historically poor Leastern Conference during his time.
Yea but lebron was supposed to lose most of the finals he lost, except 2011 finals. He played against arguably the best team ever in 4 finals, and twice vs KD. And his teammates were too high during the nba finals to even know what’s going on. His losses are reasonable all I’m saying, except for 2011.
Dude was 2x mvp with finals mvp wade and bosh and choked to the mavs. He was the 3rd best scorer in that series on his own team and 5th overall and was atrocious in all 4th quarters that finals. If jordan had 1 finals mvp on his team let alone 2 all stars you think he's losing to that mavs team? Do you think he's going to be the 5th best scorer for the series 3rd best on his own team and not show up/ be a liability in the 4th quarters?
No he didn't
Look at the top 25 NBA all time leading scorered
9/10 of them are players playing today
Only 3 played during MJs era
So who faced superior talent
KD melo Duncan Kobe
Westbrook Harden
Dirk
Vince Carter
Not even counting
Luka Gianni's Steph Kawhi AD
That will eventually get to that list
Jordan had a consistent teammate lead the team in every stat every year but scoring
L j never had that
The Pacers on Jordan would be pretty fun. Great vid. All massive respect to LeBron, Jordan stands ferociously alone at the pinnacle. Lebron has a mountaintop of his own, but it just can't and won't eclipse Jordan.
Facts, 21 years of him playing still hasn't achieved what mj did in 11
👑LEBRON🐐 est. 2016
@@eyewatch2see77 Kawhi the GOAT for beating the 2014 Heatles and 2019 Warriors then?
@@eyewatch2see77yeah, he is holding kyrees panties
@@zxcvb3772 you know how many people in LIFE are called the GOAT .. plenty of people .. duh!!
To be real about Air Jordan shoes are the GOAT
I truly enjoyed this video🎉
Always the best content blended together perfectly keep up the series would love one on Miami heat heatles teams
comparison is the thief of joy - brilliant
Incomparable players, But if the question be "Who will carry and lead any random team to win, night in and night out?" It's Jordan in my opinion. Jordan's inner demon had more of an intimidating presence and were more consistently present than Brons. But still, we can never compare, different eras and stuff.
what happened in the 80s?
@@sportstalkonly1442 Michael Jordan is the only Rookie (‘84-85) to lead his team in four categories: scoring, assists, steal and rebounding (of all things). That record is unbroken. Michael Jordan’s ‘88 season was a record also (lead league in scoring, steals and assists), All-Defensive 1st Team, Defensive Player of the Year, and the MVP. That record too is unbroken.
Not bad for “what happened in the 80s.”
@@IkeThe9th did he win anything in the 80s?
@@IkeThe9th he said carry a random team to win, night in and night out, in the 80s Jordan was a stat padding loser.
@@sportstalkonly1442 You’re losing this argument by talking semantics. Bottomline: Who is the GOAT? MJ or Lebron?
You can talk about 80’s or the Warriors or Spurs or whatever with your friends. I’m talking facts - I already posted Jordan’s. Post
Lebron’s facts somewhere and let’s compare them. If not… I’ll accept this as a win.
Best thing bout this conversation is ever era has there goat & it will always continue on for generation to come the bar just keeps rising
But every era isn't equal and "the bar" isn't rising. Ratings are continuing to suffer because today's sissified version of the NBA is a merger between the WNBA and the WWE. Flopping, euro-travelling, piss poor fundamentals, along with the "face of the League" playing very little defense, taking 4 or 5 steps without dribbling, whining to the Refs for not bailing him out when he shows he is too old to do what he's trying to do even WITH load management.
Your comment tries to lower the bar... not happening till those of us that know better are dead and gone.
@@sensiblyhonest695 This is accurate and I approve this message!
Jordan averaging 50 in todays nba with all that spacing
No all they did was run ISO n man
@@madhungry98B yeah but in the 90s there wasn't the defensive 3 seconds rule so guy like Ewing,Olajuwon, Robinson,Shaq, Mutombo and other rim protectors could park in the paint as long as they wanted, so it was much harder to score at the basket, but MJ still averaged 30 in the lowest pace era.
I think MJ easily averages over 40 today but I think he could have done that in the 90s as well but he chose playing in the triangle offense over individual stats.
He averaged 35 and 37 a game the 2 years before Jackson became his coach.
@@madhungry98Byou must be a young buck cause that was straight cap you don't know wtf you talking about, probably never even watched mj, what are you 20
@@madhungry98B have you ever heard of triangle offence? 🚫🧠
@@Jakob-W yes what’s the shape of a triangle one in the middle two out 🙈🌭👅
Jordan playing 82 games at his age is far more impressive than all of Lebron's longevity stats. Jordan had respect for those who paid their hard earned cash to watch him play.
I'm glad to see you Nick, love the vids-
Mj ave 40pts in 93 finals a tough era, tell me who's player ave like that in the nba finals
Part 1-I’m 58 and I remember first watching MJ. He was going off and I said hell if he get a player or two he will be this league. Six titles later….I use to not just watch the game but be up every morning to watch ESPN. I cried when he retired. I was depressed bcs I didn’t know what the f__k I was going to do with my life.
It’s not close. Michael “Air” Jordan didn’t win championships “sometimes.” He never saw a Game 7 in the finals. 10 time scoring champ. 9 time All Defensive First Team. 5 time MVP. 6 time Finals Champion (double 3-peater). 6 time Finals MVP. He is the ONLY player in league history to be: Scoring Leader, All Defensive 1st Team, Regular Season MVP, Finals Champion and Finals MVP in the same year. Even if Lebron accomplishes that (which he hasn’t and won’t), MJ accomplished that unbreakable record four (4) times.
However, Michael Jordan’s peak was in 1988, well BEFORE his championship run: He led the league in scoring, steals, assists and was the Defensive Player of the Year and its MVP that year. In essence, he was the best offensive player and the best defensive player in the same year. That is an NBA record that still stands today and it’s why we wear what you younger folks call “Jordan 3’s” (we simply called them “the 88’s” my junior year in high school - I wore the ‘89s for graduation).
Lebron is great, but he is not the greatest. He is barely one of the Top 5 Lakers of All Time (and I’m truly sorry about that) because he dominates this era. They say you can’t compare eras, sure… but NBA records are eternal and don’t change with the times. If you want to BE the best for your era - you have to consistently BEAT the best of your era.
name the team jordan faced that was better than the spurs or warriors
@@sportstalkonly1442 Why? Post Lebron’s accomplishments like I just did. I’ll keep an eye out and wait for it.
@@IkeThe9th u brought up jordan never losing in the finals. Name the team he faced that was better than the warriors or spurs.
@@sportstalkonly1442 LOL. I don’t have to. And to be clear… I’m not gonna. This record speaks for itself without a single excuse.
@@IkeThe9th u only say this because u know he didn't face teams better than those. If he did u would simply name them without making any excuses.
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MJ AND KOBE ,,,,,
One thing Michael Jordan did not do and that is to inspire LeBron to work on his game
LeFtaud is 1000 years of light behind MJ, this comparison is pure for the hype.
Mj da goat period
Iman shumpert said it best, tell me who lost
Mike is the best❤
Larry legend
Shump went on record recently and says he has now Bron over MJ...
What people fail to realize is that Lebron spends MILLIONS on his body and he trains with the most up to date training Jordan did not spend that much money on his body and he didn’t even have the same technology available and the training. He did weights with Tim Grover and honestly for the time Grover did what was “best” for athletes but that kind of training is NOWHERE to be found anymore with these athletes it’s outdated and doesn’t build the fastest strongest and most agile athletes.
If Jordan took his same tenacity and will and drive to succeed and to win and he had access to the same updated technology and training he would be that much better than the guys who are currently playing.
Prime Jordan would still dominate today’s NBA WITHOUT all the up to date training. You add in all that and he’s playing 20 years and he’s got 10+ titles easy.
What a meaningless argument. Nobody in Jordan's time has access to what we have now. It doesn't matter
N mj still played 82 games 9 times and played at least 80 11 times and bron only played 82 once in 21 years
@@TheOhzoneLayer you missed the point everyone says that LeBron is so much better than Jordan LeBron has access to things that Jordan didn’t we’re not talking about anybody else Jordan would dominate the current NBA easily Hotline, that same Jordan access to everything that the current players have and he’s going to destroy everyone for 20 years. Your comment is useless because it doesn’t even have anything to do with what I said go see your doctor.
Thank You Iman (Shumpert) for explaining to these people why Mike is the Greatest despite playing WITH LeBron. Respect!
The GOAT
Shump was born in Illinois. It all makes sense now.
MJ should be paying dr J right now,every move MJ did it came from dr j.lebron never tried to be like anyone that’s why he is the goat.
Let me repeat it never relinquished his position as the greatest basketball player Mic drop
Michael Jordan is the only person Chuck Norris is afraid of. 😂
We should really stop all the bs and acknowledge that MJ is still the GOAT so that we can move on and appreciate the players we have today.
MJ never quit on his team. Dude never quit. Lebron has quit on his teams so many times. MJ had an inner demon no one has ever seen. Lebron flops and whines. Lebron is great but he doesnt belong in the conversation. GOATS don't quit.
Unfortunately for Lebron we’ve got MJ full games and highlights we can watch. Poetry in motion, Michael Jeffery Jordan
2 different players 2 different positions played by both players and 2 different era’s so they are the goat for there era’s in saying that Jordan is 6-0 never lost in the finals and if u look at LBJ records in the finals he’s lost so he’s not clutch anyway Kobe is better than LBJ so get over it
name the team jordan faced that was better than the spurs or warriors
@@sportstalkonly1442 Facing one good team doesnt make him better. Jordan faced fiercer competition. During the lebron era teh east was weak. He had a easy path to and he still lost.
@@emersonssbb bruh Jordan faced way weaker competition
@@sportstalkonly1442 No he didnt. Stop lying to yourself. The east was weak when lebron was in the east because he took players with him when he made super teams.
@@sportstalkonly1442 Tell me who was a threat to beat cavs or heat when he made the superteam. Not gonna lie cant think of any team except the derrick rose bulls thats it.I love how u mention warriors and spurs when thats a west team not a east you cant even name a east thats a threat.
I would like to see a little more on Steph Curry, I believe he is a Goat!
why? How?
Shump GOAT is LBJ now
Today's game is so soft and so easy to score. There's players who played in the 90s and 2000s who can attest to this who also played in the 2010s NBA...
Michael Jordan The Goat 🐐 Period!!!!!!! Lebron LOST 6 NBA Championship IN THE FINALS Where LEGENDS AND ICONS ARE BORN
When Lebron ties/eclipses MJ's championships I will put his achievements on Jordan's level and still side with MJ. Period.
Jordan willed his way to 6 rings…. Lebron complained, jumped ship, got people fired, surrounded himself with all stars in their prime, actually manufacturing his teams….. and still lost more rings than he won…….NO comparison!
Y hate a guy who wanna be this..
Lebron don’t got the style the swag the finesse the stats the flare the elevation 10 scoring titles bron had to team up to win
6-9 250 Lebron James would destroy Michael Jordan. Dr.J , George Gervin were better than Jordan.
Lebron wasn't even the best guy on that team. How he gonna be considered the greatest when he never knocked down a winning shot in the playoffs?
As a 26 year old. Mj is the GOAT.
As a 25 year old agreed. This shit is not generational. I hate when niggas say "Young guys will say lebron." The stats in these polls do not back that up.
LeBron James lost in the Olympics. MJ won the Olympics as a college player. LBJ has faced the weakest East Competition to get to the Finals 10 times while he was on far superior team with 2 + All-stars and choosing at the deadline what player comes in to make the team the best they can be. And when he got to the Finals with his super team in 2016 he faced a not so dominant GSW 73-9 team who did not dominate KD & Russ OKC team on their way to the NBA Finals. That does not make LBJ the GOAT...
MJ on the other hand once he got his rookie head coach Phil Jackson and his rookie teammate Scottie Pippen to join the Bulls they never lost its that simple and the road to get to the Finals was a gauntlet of teams that MJ kept from winning. Hakeem chose to make his way to the Finals the years MJ retired and when MJ returns he chose not to make the NBA Finals anymore lol
Lies 😂
No one better than LeBron for searching out a better team so he can win a championship. Team hopper and flip flopper. I pull up his flopping videos just for the comedy. His acting hurt is fabulous. But when men were men I'll take Jordan every time. So many players better than LeBron too many to count. Men that will fight to the last breath and it sure ain't LeBron.
👑LEBRON🐐 est. 2016
He felt like it only
Wilt scored 100 points in a game he’s the goat & Jordan and LBJ havnt so they ain’t the goat
You mean wilt?
@@chrisdelaurier7102 yea wilt sorry dude
Wilt averaged 30 in regular season, 22 in the playoffs and 18 in the finals. Even the 1962 season where he scored 100 in a game and averaged 50 a game, he immediately dropped to 35 a game for the playoffs same season. Because the had only 8 teams in the league.
Wilt only won 2 rings and disappeared many times when he was needed the most.
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard just cause he scored 100 don't make him the goat he wasn't even the best in his time he kept losing to bill Russell u clearly don't know ish about basketball
So is Kobe Bryant 2nd all time because he scored 81 points, second highest in history? Is David Thompson 3rd all time because he has the 3rd highest point in a game with 73 points? Is Donovan Mitchell and Damian Lilliard 6th and 7th all time because they once scored 71 points in a game?