I CHARGED my Porsche EV at TESLA SUPERCHARGERS and was SHOCKED to discover RIP OFF PARKING CHARGES!
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- čas přidán 28. 01. 2024
- I drove my Porsche Taycan EV Electric Car to Luton and London to test the Tesla Supercharger Network as there are now various Tesla Superchargers that are open to other Electric Car Manufacturers. I tested how many KW per hour I was getting and what the Tesla Infrastructure is like. However I was shocked to find that at one of the Tesla Supercharger sites at the Renaissance London Heathrow Hotel they have now started charging users of the Tesla Superchargers £5 per hour just to park and charge their cars! SHAME ON THEM! This i find totally unacceptable and after reading the Tesla Forums the Tesla Drivers are up in arms about this! Are other Tesla Supercharger sites going to follow suit and start charging Tesla owners to park their Electric Vehicles before even charging their cars? Let's find out!
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It's absolutely insane the messing about with evs,if you're old, disabled or not
tech savvy you're stuffed
@@Kwistenbiebel200 it’s not phone dependent at all
Born and lived in London for 30 years. Lived in the North now for 20 years. Hate going back.
It’s a shithole now mate ain’t it. Cameras everywhere. I used to travel down at weekends in my car to see friends 30 years ago. I love London, but now it just isn’t worth it.
It's appalling charging you to park to charge your car. It only takes one to start the 'trend' for everyone to start it
Wait and see as Tesla and other car makers start heavily moving to memberships and subscription services by month! Or else.
The worst of the worst is car park charging at hospitals.
also, here in Australia, the coffee is made with full cream milk unless you ask otherwise. In the UK, it's the other way round where you will get lite milk unless you ask for full cream.
Another reason not to buy an EV
They only seem good if your journeys are always under 150 miles, and you are able to charge at home every night on a cheap EV specific energy tariff. Octopus will sell you electric overnight for 8 hours at just 7p/kWh.
EV owners are going to be ripe for the picking for hotels who have chargers of any kind. The cost will be whatever the Hotel wants to charge. You didn`t think EVs were the future and now you know.
Just checked out the Northern Territory Australia on the EV charging map. The NT has more crocodiles than the UK and is 5.5 times its size in area. If you want to use a Tesla supercharger, there are three to choose from and they are 930 miles apart.
Duh! What's your problem - just pull it the last 700 miles with a tow truck. You just need to make more effort to to save the planet - make sure it's an electric tow truck, though you may need more than one of them, at strategic locations, and perhaps some additional ones to tow the tow trucks after. Hmm - perhaps a diesel.
Funny, I never feel weird or resentful of other brands when I fill up with petrol.
Its almost as if they are trying to make it difficult to own private transport, impossible even!
Lee you could not get from Perth to Sydney on a full tank of diesel or petrol it is 3500kms 👍🇦🇺🇬🇧
Depends on the tank...
Just watched Brown Car Guy and Islington council are charging EV's to park, and it is the same as some parking charges for ICE vehicles (with tiered charges depending on emission size), but charging by capacity of the batteries, which could end up with a 30kwph EV about £100 per annum and larger than 90kwph at up to £230 PA. Islington was the first to implement this but other councils are doing it too.
The best time to buy an electric car is never.
Sunderland Royal Hospital has approximately 16 EV chargers but you are required to pay for Parking to use them on top of the EV Charge fee. Two bites at the cherry.
Durham Services £1.02 per kWh (at Carville Interchange A690/A1(m))
They are not telling the sheep this. EV drivers should expect to start paying the Congestion Charge from January 1st 2026.
It’s not surprising that the exemption is being lifted. Initiatives like the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) have seen a rapid increase in electric car usage in Central London, so, logically, TfL will begin to tackle electric car congestion too.
I live in Australia in a city of 50k there is no longer any charging infrastructure within 300km which covers 3 major regional cities and a national highway. save one charger at a small regional centre. 100km away. as you go inland there is nothing. distances are huge between cities here in Central Queensland
So - why did you buy an EV?
I haven't bought one and although i like the concept they are not practical for the distances we have here in Australia, even though out govenment is pushing them . I have 2 toyota Hilux utes as i have a remote property i travel to regularly that is off grid. Yes i have batteries and solar but also has a 13kVa generator @@Ian8008
I charged at the Renaissance hotel last summer. You didn't need to pay to park if you were charging. You just had to go into the reception and tell them you are charging. Then they'd swap your entry ticket for a "Tesla users" one and you'd get out for free. This was not well described on signs anywhere though. This need to pay looks like a new thing, and i wonder if it conflicts with whatever contract they have with Tesla for those chargers being located there.
Usually at such stations a message will show in your Tesla to tell you what to do, but if you are a non-Tesla user of the station i don't know if the App will tell you this.
So very lucky that leaf "landed" on your reg
😅😅😅
Hmm OK so I'm on the fence with this. Hotels are paying or supporting loosing car park space to have charge points installed so that customers (people who are staying overnight or attending functions) can charge their EV. They are NOT intending to become a 'gas station' for EVs. Imagine a scenario where customers cannot charge because all of the charge points are constantly occupied by locals charging their EVs. Their is a local pub and small hotel that suddenly installed a bunch of chargers.... I'm in pretty rural Warwickshire .. and I wondered why. And I concluded that it is to serve customers who are overnight guests or going there for lunch or dinner. Makes perfect sense. I think you need to acknowledge that these hospitality facilities are installing charge points to serve their customers - NOT the general population - they do not want to be the new petrol station for EVs, they just want to serve their EV customers.
My Yamaha RD350 Powervalve used to have a problem with leaves, plastic bags, Paper towels.... It seemed everytime i went out on it something would get flung up and stick to the plate. My friends had the same issues.
A mate of mine had an RD350 and that thing terrified me, I don't know if there was something wrong with his one but the frame felt like it was made of rubber, nearly spat us off a few times.
those were the days
I would be tempted to park at the entrance to the charging place, take off my number plates put them in the boot that way they cant fine you on their ANPR cameras or via their parking assistants as they dont know where to send the parking fine. Just a thought (dont forget to reattach the number plates at the exit when you leave)
Or you can just stick a leaf over a couple of letters 😆
Lee the A380 absolutely blinds the Dreamliner.I flew to Melbourne via Qatar with Quatar airlines flew Manchester to Doha on the Dreamliner great then the 380 on to Melbourne…Fantastic all the staff were excellent.Enjoy your trip to Perth will be with you every step of the way.❤
EV owners are the gift that keeps on giving! There are, it seems, new ways to take their money off them every day. Starts from day one really - sell them a car for £40k and next day it's worth £20k if you're lucky.
And of course the EV will kill the secondhand market stone dead unless the cost of replacing a battery drops by about 80%.
The owner of the car park at my local retail park said the company he brought in as parking enforcers introduced loads of regulations and fines he didn't consent to. They are basically legalised extortionists.
Scum Sucking Leeches. 😂
Lol I bet he said that, after he brought them in. Perhaps he should get rid of them, rather than passing the blame. That's like letting a dozen rats go free in your basement then blaming the neighbours bird feeder 🤷🤦
The car park owner needs to tear up the contract then or go out of business
@@theclotshotdidit3115 He said he simply wanted a time restriction set to stop people using the car park then taking the bus into the centre of town for work. The company came up with 75 quid fines for things like being over the marker between bays etc.
@@63mckenziethen he should have read the contract and ensured they could only do what he agreed to, just cancel the contract and find a company who will, they will be fighting for the ability to make money there, where is it? If they don't read contracts, perhaps I could rent the whole retail park for a few years for £2.50😂
Who the heck put Tesla Superchargers in hotel parking lots, if the intent was to allow the public to charge there?
Its London, you have to pay to park your car, even if you are charging it...If the Car Park was free, people would leave their cars there and go on holiday...😮😳🇬🇧
Its all payout with these EVs, and they seem to have a captive audience....🤔😮😳😳🇬🇧
They are charging Tesla for being allowed to take up their places which could be used by other non EV customers
Regarding your questions concerning Tesla at around 18 minutes in ...
The Superchargers are better for several reasons, but the leading reason is the reliability, compared with the other options. I'm not sure about Europe, but in the US, the other charging networks are absolutely horrible. They typically have between 2 and 4 chargers at the stations, and about 50% of those chargers are likely to be offline. The Tesla supercharger stations are usual either eight chargers, or sixteen chargers, at each supercharger location. In some parts, there are more than 50 chargers, but those are more rare. Based on my experiences in using the other chargers here in the US (Electrify American and EVGO), they are much more complicated and slow to operate (requiring interactions with a touch screen, credit card, etc.). The Tesla Superchargers have no human interface, you simply plug the little plug into the car, and it figures everything out.
Most Teslas are not sold with a Supercharging plan, so you must pay for each supercharger session. In the US, they vary from about 30 cents per kWh to maybe 50 cents, depending on the location and sometimes the time of day. However, those who purchased the model S and model X Teslas in the early days DID get free supercharging, unlimited, and for the entire time they owned the car (I'm not sure what happened if they sold the car to someone else).
The charger network is just known to each Tesla, so when you navigate to a Supercharger as part of a trip, the car automatically starts "pre-conditioning" the battery in the 10 minutes or so before you arrive at the station, to maximize the charging speed.
Another innovation at the Supercharger stations is that, if you hog a Supercharger (stay there after you have fully charged), you are charged fees (sometimes $1 a minute). Now, your phone does warn you in advance (to come pick up your car), and those charges are not incurred (usually) if the station is less than 50% utilized. Thus, there is a real incentive to get your power and leave, so others can use the Supercharger. I believe this is a good thing.
I hope this information is what you were looking for. Have a nice time in Australia. I'd be interested to know if they have a Supercharger network that spans the continent!!
I expect that the hotel have franchised the parking out to a private criminal company. The only thing I will say is you’ve parked in Heathrow. I’m amazed you’re getting away with only a fiver. It’s only a matter of time until Heathrow charge you to breathe!
I live in Hounslow West London. I agree crime has increased and 3 London buses caught fire. Electric naturally
I just cry. You know just the hassle of plugging the damn EV in and faffing around with apps puts me right off. Should just be pick up plug insert and pay. Nothing else at all.
You get free fire engine with a tesla
shush, They will make that a subscription service if they read comments like this!
I double checked and hertz no longer offer Tesla. SIXT is the car rental company that has Tesla now at Perth airport.
Yes hotels do try it on. I stopped somewhere else near Heathrow on the way home from somewhere and it was free - for 15 minutes. To be fair I walked to reception, got the ticket to raise the barrier, walked back to my car (took about 10 minutes) unplugged my car and drove off. The charges are often used to discourage people parking when they are not actually at the hotel. You would be amazed all the blags people near airports use to try and park their cars for free (so the receptionist told me). I also remember a colleague parking in a Hotel in Acton and even though he had a room, they whacked him £20 a night to "park" - with no guarantee there was even a space.
The "leaf on the number plate" story was hilarious! Well done! 😂😂😂
If you head North from Perth in an EV you will not survive, it's been nice knowing you.
'We are just following orders' ha ha, I also assume as you pulled up to the tesla chargers there are diesel generators stock behind the wood panelled fence next to the grey electrical distribution unit!
There's nothing better than a Macmaster driving video! 👍
A mate of mine bought a brand new Tesla in 2017, he has free charging for life.
Dear Lee, you think you can get across Australia with a good diesel with a big tank!!! I do worry about you Lee, it's nearly 4000 km from Perth to Sydney so if you know a car that can do that I'd love to know, Australia is a similar size to Europe. BTW if you look up John Torode & Lisa Faulkner on TV they are doing a series based in Perth, and they hire your favourite EV, a Polestar 2, you'll get some good tips, see ya cobber!!
I wonder if you thought this through. You claim not to like your EV; so if people start charging owners to "park" whilst they charged; won't that simply accelerate the demise of EVs?
There are (surprisingly) rules for parking companies (I used to work in the industry and was involved in the Beavis case) they can't enforce a charge when the car has some "issue" which means it can't be driven away, that issue may take minutes, or hours to fix, the duration isn't the issue... I think a flat battery counts!
I’ve used that SC on Bath road near LHR. Those parking charges must be new but it’s a busy spot for rideshare drivers and people returning rental cars. Someone saw a chance to make some extra money off you.
If you want to avoid the parking fees go to Heston Services. The supercharger in Inverness Scotland is inside a multi level car park that doesn’t charge you for parking while charging. However here in Canada I know of one supercharger where you need to pay for parking, in Ottawa Ontario. Paying parking for a V2 overloaded supercharger
Charging parking fees while charging is up there with charging for WiFi
The Tesla charging lead is short because Teslas park in reverse because the charging point is at the rear.Tesla hold your credit card details and automatically bill each month. If someone recommends you to Tesla with their referral link ,both parties get 1000 miles of supercharging. I saw the light two years ago and sold my 15 month old Long range model 3. Got what I paid for it. But not now.
Glued leaves...imagine that....very clever! 😂😂😂
In front of my office was a beautiful wild park that had grown over 15 years and was fenced of so nobody could enter easily. It contained lots of birches and a bunch of rabbits. Now it is a flat tarmac desert with 800 long term parking spaces for the nearby airport. In summer this thing is heating up the whole area. Everybody is talking about more parks in towns but nobody is actually doing anything to reduce summer heat. Near the local train station they currently replace a wild forest with a "green" office building for 4000 workers. Imagine 4000 workers arriving at 9 a.m. and leaving at 5 p.m. and crowding the small number of trains available here. This would have been a good place for long term parking as the airport is directly attached to the train station.
I think your perspective about the size of Australia will change. Fkying across Australia is like flying from Bristol to Cyprus lol
Thanks for the leaf tip. Chewingum Will Work.
We're fast becoming the cash cows of motoring. EVs will be fleeced in the way that we were conned about diesel by the uk government at the time.
Good video,like the end bit 😅
EVangelists get ripped off when they buy one then have to pay for parking to charge. 😂😂😂
That Hotel is a disgrace. Love the fact it's £10 for 2hours etc. Mad.
Should have got a Nissan Leaf 😂
Love the leaf story. I’ll be looking to replicate that !
Looking forward to seeing you in Perth you'll be getting into Red Rooster and checking out the breweries down the coast - Little Creatures in Fremantle maybe🙂
ev across aus easy make sure you have a towbar fitted so you can tow a diesel generator to charge your car every 100km only take you a couple of weeks , but you might die of thirst first
Can you buy McMaster leafs from the merchandise 🤭
I saw a van close to the ULEZ border with a strategically placed piece of autumn foliage. Couldn’t help thinking that it wasn’t an accident!
I like it when you say : I have an electric kooor !
does the hotel charge the residents who stay there overnight.
Friend of mine went to the USA and couldn't use some of the chargers because they wanted a US zip code and phone number to register on the app that you need to run the charger! At least with a Tesla you just plug it in and all the billing is done through the car, plus they're usually 150-250kw charging rate
Same happens for them here and in EU. Also same in USA if trying to pay at the pump for gas with a credit card
Ionity look nice, especially at dusk, due to lovely, bright coloured LED, showing state of operation. Also painted solid-white.
The number of adverts in this vlog was enough for me to consider just cherry picking the shorter ones.
They have to speed up the charging time and number of charging points for mass adoption.
Sarcasm shines through in this Vlog!!!
The parking charges sticker on the charger! Mega LOL!!!
This hotel has always charged for parking not just Tesla/EV; you can pay to leave your car while you’re on holiday. In addition it’s to stop people using it to watch the planes even though they’re not staying at the hotel. It’s the same cost for everyone.
You get charged to park when charging in Kennilworth, Warwickshire. Its a council pay and display, where they put in 6 charging points (no rain cover). Been there for a hood year or so.. An EV owner got a penalty charge for charging and not paying the £4.50 (I think) parking fee too. I can't stand EVs but will admit this just takes the biscuit. They shouldn't have to pay and display too. Great vid. 👍
bring a flask of coffee no need to buy a coffee
Wow! Wondered about this. The Ionity just north of Paris is actually on the grounds of a hotel (Novotel I think). Anyway, we used it and it made me wonder how it was supposed to work. It did. The nice French reception people let us use the toilets. We would have had a coffee or something but we were in a real rush at that point. I suspect with Ionity they've some kind of contract that will exclude any charges. Best charging infrastructure in Europe is found on French autoroutes, especially the A7/A8/A9 to the south. Best not to talk about the UK by the sound of it?
Perhaps charging stations should prominently display their prices just like petrol stations have to. Bob M. South Wales
Leason learnt is that I could have filled up my 60litre diesel tank in the time it took you to connect to charge...
Perth to Sydney by road is approximately 3,930kms which is just over 2,440 miles. Charging outside the major cities is fairly sparse. I don't think I'd like to drive across the Nullarbor in an ev.
Maybe I would take a 2kw Genny and give it a go.
No free charging! I got the car with 30% battery brand new and they give you 100 miles free.. then it's 22 to 50p depending on the time you charge.. that's what's most annoying. Not only do we have to travel but we get charged extra for peak times!
Perhaps too technical an explanation for your audience but your Taycan caps out at 50 kw charging on Tesla chargers. The Taycan uses 800 volt battery architecture but the Tesla superchargers only deliver about 500 v. What the Taycan has to do is accept the 500 v and use a DC to DC converter to take it up to 800 v. However this DC-DC Converter is max capable of 50 kw unless you spec up for the much more expensive 150 kw DC-DC converter which your vehicle is not specced for.
I think all charging points are for every one to use
Looking forward to one day in the collapse of the electric car market. I forgot that is starting to happen lol and the government then say we are going back to petrol and diesel vehicles. Enjoy the video. Keep up the great videos
Exactly " After the government (powers to be) have made their money.
Brainwashing us all into thinking that electric cars are the future. We'll some of us anyway 🇬🇧 .
Krispy Kreme no doubt! Simply no comparison between them and Dunkin. The very best donuts are from our local old fashioned German bakeries, unfortunately a vanishing breed. However among commercial bakeries Krispy Kreme can't be be beat. A huge no to Starbucks, and their over-rated over-priced swill. The scam with electrics continues unabated. I'm unfamiliar with the taxes in the UK, however in the US a large portion of the funding for our highways, comes from motor fuel taxes. Which means at present the EV community contribute nothing! How long can that continue? If we all switched to electric, how would they fund highways? No one mentions this!
i dont drive but its a disgrace that hotel charging all that. Another great video Lee 😋
On the lucky side of the coin. You still have your headlamps! Bloomin heck, what an incentive to deliver 20% of the advertised rate, charge a fortune for five times the parking time.
One of the incentives to by a Tesla in the US is a period of free charging.
I've heard 3months, 6months and a year. Apparently it depends on which car or something...
Would you have to pay if you were staying the night ? I ve heard councils are charging parking now on roadside as well as the charging fee
That hotel probably even charges their Employees to park to work there 😡
I'd quit lol, one of my previous workplaces charges us to park there so I switched to riding my bicycle to work and they wanted to charge me to keep it on the premises as well!. It's what made me finally quit that job I wonder how it was even still in business and the company went bust about 2 years after I left.
I know at Manchester, any hotel on airport properties get slapped with massive ground rates,for thier carparks. And have to pass it on. Once again, huge profiteering by greedy Airports. Ian Wythenshawe.
They can and do charge whatever they want because they have you by the short and curlies
skinny latte and krispy kreme? you're an enigma ..
Great videos well done especially when you and Geoff get together 🏴😁🍻
I see now we are being charged double for car insurance because of governments mistakes on net zero, time to dump it and start living again
Perth to Sydney is 2500 miles via the most boring route. So quite a few tanks of diesel. Drove it in 2008, getting across the nullarbor at the time was stressful enough in a petrol car with some of the roadhouses being unexpectedly shut. Would not even dream of doing it in an EV, you will need AC so factor that. One part of the nullarbor is 98 km dead straight it made my vision go a bit funny to be honest only seeing blue sky dead straight tarmac and bush each side.
I bet you can't do it in an EV. Probably no chargers. I'd like to do it in a diesel though.
@@TheMacMaster the night sky on the Nullarbor is something to behold.
@@TheMacMaster I had a 4 litre straight 6 petrol. Greta's best friend 😂
@@TheMacMaster I done it in a diesel 4000 kilometres 7 days return driving long periods. About 8 twin diesel tank fills at approx 8k ten years ago.
8 thousand kilometres return trip in 7 days.
The hotel staff are 'just following orders'...
Lee - do you use your car sat nav on the way to chargers? Using the native sat nav should pre-condition your battery for ultra fast charging. Give it a try
If they want this to work the entire EV industry needed to standardize thier plugs and every charge point useable by every EV regardless of manufacturer. Just like gas stations.
You may have seen the guy standing on his van at hotel car park that was Jerry from Big Jet TV doing his live video at Heathrow
Mate the more I watch your videos the more I really won’t get an EV as my next car, I was gonna get the VW ID5 next, I noticed the prices went down on it but like I said forget it I’ll just stick with my merc gla lol
Lol just watching your video and a advert come up for electric vauxhall Corsa 😂
Hey Lee, a very long time viewer here. I've recently purchased a new Tesla, an extra long range model 3. A range of approximately 390 miles. So I've had it a month now and do around 600 miles per week up and down the motorways. I supercharge often and have never paid more than 44 pence per kwh. I've also never had to charge for longer than 20 minutes at an average 160-180 kW speed. I've had up to 230kw and as low as 85kw.
I've never once failed to get immediately onto a charger, always straight in. Catch up with a few emails, then go. Obviously no messing about for us tesla owners, just plug in, plug out and drive away.
Personally I would like to see the Tesla network remain exclusive for Tesla owners. Its a bit like asking Ford to install a Ferrari engine in your Focus ....
Maybe other manufacturers should invest in their own networks....
Can someone explain to me why ANYONE buys an ev? Apart from the clean air aspect I cannot see ANY advantage whatsoever in owning one.
Well you did say ANYONE.
I'm not an owner myself but even I can think of a couple.
Running costs.
Especially if that ANYONE has a good solar set up and two way charging.
They drive practically for free.
Is that not a good reason?
Even if you don't have a solar setup but use low cost overnight leccy and your commute is less than 100 miles (which covers the vast majority of driver commuters) and you don't have a granny that lives 500 miles away that you visit every single weekend.
That would be a reason!
The clean air aspect only applies to the fact that the car has no tailpipe. When you factor in all the pollution from mining, production, excessive tire wear, production of electricity, the toxic waste from the used up batteries, and the toxic pollution to air, water, and soil when one of these things catches fire, there is zero benefit.
lee ,in gloucester we have a car park with 2 hour limit , but if you park and walk out of the car park and cross the road you will get fined £100 you can only park there to use the few shops that are in there.
When I was touring Oz 35 years ago in my Holden HQ I carried 3 extra wheels and tyres, a spare alternator and 5 gallon jerry can of fuel acc. to advice from Aussie friends.
Tbf I used the extra fuel once and by the time I got to Darwin from Brisbane only one spare tyre was left, bought 3 more in Darwin.
In those days you soon learnt to get off the blackstuff when the Roadtrains came through.
6 months in Oz, bloody loved it, 69 now and some of the best memories I have.
Yes, Australia is awesome. I left Clacton on sea to live here. What a wonderful choice I made.