Rottweiler Stage 3 Air box Install 1090 1190 1290 KTM Super Adventure | Back in the Garage
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- čas přidán 21. 03. 2018
- In this episode of Back in the Garage, I install the Rottweiler Stage 3 air box/intake on my 2016 KTM 1290 Super Adventure. The same process and kit is used for installation on the other KTM 1090 1190 1290 Adventure Bike models.
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That's what I've been waiting for, can't wait to get home & fit my kit, good job Mario, keep it up pal.
Cool. I'm still waiting on Rottweiler to finish making my velocity stacks, and for a day off, so that I can get mine in. Stoked.
Great video Mario....ordering one for my 1190 - thanks!
Yeah man looks good!hope i get to hear that bike run in person!
Thanks for mention what size tool you are using for the different things, much appreciated.
That is awesome sounding !
Great video, doing this now down in Charleston.
Mario....I love you man!
HAHA! Love you too man!
I did the Stage 5 to my 1290. SDR- i now have no arms, the SDR tore them off !!! I know iam at 185hp easy
Did you use power commander for tune?
Major improvement on performance with the stage 3. I will say that there is considerable increase in cylinder noise coming from a non enclosed air box, as well as concern if you dump it in a river I wonder if vapor lock is more likely?
It is not possible to vapor lock (a gas bubble in the fuel line that stops fuel flow) in a fuel injected bike. The fuel pump just powers through and pushes out the gas. Hydrolock (non compressible water or gasoline in the cylinder stopping the compression stroke) is probably what you meant. That would depend on how the bike lands in the water. Stock if the snorkels are submerged it seems like they could behave like a straw. Hard to tell for sure with the drain and vent tubes. The water would need to make it to the stacks to get you in trouble with the rottweiler. Maybe adapt one of those waverunner kill switches?
Great video - helped a lot with this weekend's project. BTW, your rear brake fluid at 7:01 looks dark and nasty... no doubt you have long since bled the brakes and put new fluid in. ;-)
Hi Chris, I see the base plate adapter not shown in this video and that comes in the intake package from Rotties per their website..Question any idea if i would need that for installing on KTM 1190 (bought a used Rott intake that did not come with one and neither i see it in your video)
Hey boss. Did you feel a better performance with stage 3.? Why did you wanted this upgrade? Cheers from Mexico
Thanks for the install video! Helps a lot! My question is ... is it safe to run the bike with the new airbox without a tune ? Or do I need a tune ?
30,000+ miles later I've had zero issues.
excellent👍👍
Why wouldn’t KTM inverse the tank/air box placement so the box is on top, or in front or behind the gas cap so it can be accessed from the top ? It can’t be an impossible design task.
Great video. I just got a 2016 1190 and now im hearing all this junk about a defect with the air box that lets dirt into the motor essentially destroying it. I guess this kit eliminates that issue?
For the record, I never had any issue with the factory air box letting dirt in. Obviously a foam filter will do a better job than paper though.
It didn’t work for me. The heat in there disintegrates the filter (especially so when you live in a warm climate). After a few months the filter started to crumble away. Moreover the noise was unbearable. On top of that, in order to get your AFR properly adjusted you’ll need a power commander and auto tune otherwise it’ll run like crap (most likely leaner because of the increased airflow). I also had dual Acrapovics on. That’s from a 990 Adventure R.
Did you end up installing the vacuum hoses for the throttle body sync? I saw that you got it on a mail time Monday and the motion pro sync tool, however, I haven't seen a video on the install or checking that they are synced.
Yes, I did the whole SAS stage 3 delete. No video as it was just too difficult to show some things well enough while filming & didn’t want to put out a half-a$$ video. Also, it’s the Carbtune tool, not the Motion Pro.
your video is great: Did you see a real difference on the hp and the fuel consumption? Do you think it's really worth it?
The difference you'll see is HP and throttle response/smoothness. Fuel consumption, I haven't noticed much improvement but since installing the intake...I'm on the throttle a little more because I love how it erupts. It's definitely worth it to me. I could do this over any slip on or exhaust upgrade. Way more bang for the buck
At 415-430 you are describing hoses and tubes associated with the canister delete. If you complete stage 3 do all of these items have to go? Are they capped? I assume leaving these could cause some issues with air flow etc or idling?
Watch this video for a better explanation on the emissions removal. I had already done some parts prior to installing this kit so I couldn't cover it completely. czcams.com/video/MiTcjSWy8D0/video.html
Hi Mate. Thanks a lot for all these videos. Cant say how much they have helped us being the only one detailed on the 2015-2016 SA.. I probably watched this video 20 times today but my bike wont start after the isntallation.. Motor turns. fuel Pump works. It did for 3 seconds then just never did again. I think its the fueling line or something I missed. That fuel hose to the fuel pump is tough to get in. Is there an easy way to connect it again?
I'm behind on getting to comments. If you're still having issues, email me your cell number and I'll give you a call (2wheeledriderdotcom@gmail.com)
@@2WR Hi Mate finally got it started. The line connection wasn't flush, so after some serious jamming in, it finally snapped in. I ordered the Dry break fuel line connectors from Rottweiler just in case. Its awesome that you are keeping the SA this long. I plan on doing the same as well. I appreciate the help. Noted your email. Will write if I get into trouble again. Ride Safe.
Hey Mario.. great install video! I referred it to guide me through my stage 3 install for 1190 adv. i have a few ques for you though.
After my install, noticed that my fuel consumption went up signaling from 6-7L/100km to 9.5L/100km. Tts jz normal street riding to and fro work with traffic lights. Wonder if it had any impact on yours?
Also, my idle rpm now hovers arnd 1250-1500rpm vs before install at abot 2000rpm. How was yours?
Lastly, my bike now feels like a thumper bike instead of a v twin bike cos of the low rpm and when accelerating it doesnt feel as smooth as what I expected as per reports/reviews online. Again, how was it for yours?
1) Fuel consumption most likely went up because you've been cracking into the throttle more. Test it over a period of time and see what happens. Mine stayed about the same.
2) My idles isn't that high. Sounds like you're getting some extra air. May want to check the o-rings on the airbox and ensure you have enough grease on them.
3) Mine is much smoother than it was before; not the opposite. Once again, check to made sure you don't have an air leak.
I put on the earlier version, as you might recall. I just wanted to ask if you refitted the two air intakes that run forward from the air filter? My version came with an alloy plate fitted to the front of the Rottweiler system, into which were fitted the two OEM rubber grommets through which the air intake tubes pass (one on the left, one on the right). Do you not use that alloy plate and air intake tubes, does the air just run through the tank/fairing and enter the foam filter? I as because if it’s possible to run without the two intake tubes, I’ll remove them as they’re a bit fiddly to fit
...I should have downloaded the instructions first from their website. I now see it doesn’t have the alloy plate to hold the intake snorkels like my version has, so I’ll remove it and the snorkels, they were a pain to fit. I’m putting it back on the bike as I’ll need much better filtration in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Mongolia when I go there in a few months...Russia should be ok, but the other countries have incredibly dusty roads...can’t wait!!
Not sure if it has been brought up, but do you have to re map the bike with any aftermarket air/fuel/exhaust ecu?
I've gone into it in other videos but no, it doesn't require a remap for the Stage 3 kit as long as you stay with the stock exhaust. If you go aftermarket exhaust, you'll likely need the KTM remap or can go with a Power Commander.
Any idea if the fuel dongles and sas delete would cause it to fail an emissions test? Obviously they manage to fool the ecm into thinking everything is peachy, but idk about an emissions scanner🤔
Not sure
And I thought my airbox was a pain....Sounds right gnarly; how much more power is that good for?
The 1190 dynos at 10.3hp more than stock. The addition of the second velocity stack is supposed to add 2hp throughout the rpm range with about 5 more near redline. Assuming similar performance gains on the 1290, figure an additional 12-17 hp at the rear wheel.
Приветствую тебя Марио! Я живу в России! Купил себе KTM 1290 super duke R 2015 года из США! У меня стоит прямоточный выхлоп ремуз снята экология ,но воздушный фильтр стоит нулевого сопротивления k&n . Можно ли заказать кит как у тебя ? Заранее благодарен!
Hi, I have the 2019 KTM 1290 SAR, what's the purpose of removing the Canister under the seat, does it improve performance? If the canister is removed, what else needs removing or adding? Thanks
No performance improvement other than saved weight. However, one less thing to fail and provides space for a tool kit.
Hello Mario. I saw in your Instagram a photo with a lot of stuff (SAS system) that you removed from the bike the day that you installed Stage 3 Intake. My question is: Is it 'a must' to remove all this stuff in order to install Stage 3 or I can leave it on the bike? I am not a pro like you and all stuff scare me, but with this video I think I will be able to install Stage 3.
Thank you for your help.
You don’t have to delete the SAS in order to do the Stage 3 intake kit. The Rottweiler CZcams channel has a good video up explaining how the SAS system works and what you’d actually be removing.
Great! Thank you very much for your help, Mario.
Like the rest of your videos, this one is going to prove golden as my Stage 3 kit has arrived and ready to start the task. I have a couple of questions that hopefully you can give me some guidance on. I was not going to do the SAS removal (yet anyway) so what did you do with the two hoses at the front that were attached to the OEM air box? Also, there is a flat plastic sheet in the kit, where did this go? Thanks in advance if you can help.
Jim, I'd have to take a look on the hoses as I don't remember all the routing off the top of my head. As for the plastic plate you have 2 options 1) throw it in a drawer (that's what I did) 2) zip it to the frame in front of the airbox as a blocking plate should you think you're going to be riding in really muddy conditions. I didn't really see a need for it.
Thanks for getting back to me Mario. I figured I would close this off in case others had the same questions. The small hose on the left is a drain hose that can be discarded, The larger diameter hose on the right connects to the SAS - if keeping the SAS and want it to work one would need a small air filter on the free hose end or just plug it off to disable the SAS. Myself I'll be removing the SAS completely just as you have. Thanks again - you are gold. I'm getting the bike all tuned up over the winter in preparation for a decent trip down to Cabo from BC and parts in-between in May.....should be about 8,500 Kms over 3 weeks. @@2WR
I am trying to get my stage 3 hooked up and maintain the SAS. If the drain line towards the front on the left side is removed and a small filter is used on the end of the hose on the right. I am not sure what line is attached to the rear left of the box. Can you help me ID where my wires are crossed? Thanks
@@Blain189 the hose in the rear is the vent hose from the rear cylinder just like the stock setup. Hook it up to the Rottweiler box.
Just put a deposit on a used 2016 Adventure T to have as a second bike. I’m guessing you still like your bike considering all the mods you have done?
Nearly 18,000 miles in and still loving it.
Do you have to run 2 velocity stacks??
Of the one included and one original work fine?
Yes. I have 2 velocity stacks.
I’ve always been curious, does changing the exhaust or intake/removing the o2 sensors mess with the bikes tune at all? Or do you need to get the bike retuned?
Too long of an answer to explain in the comments section so all I can say is "it depends."
It makes the lower rpm's richer. The dongles cancel the need for the O2 sensors. Tricks the ECU into thinking they are gone. automatically richens below 5k rpm. Stock settings above 5k are the same.
Hi what is the purpose of completely removing the snorkels. Is there no need for air to be channeled to the new filter?
The snorkels would restrict airflow with this setup. With the stock, closed air box, setup u needed the snorkels to channel air into the small openings. The Rottweiler setup allows air to enter from 360° so no need to channel it.
About the breather tube how do you get that to fit right cuz it comes out of the bottom of the breather box with a 90 degree angle is there any tricks for that
So it's a little tricky. It's held in by a mix of o-ring, plastic snap and the little metal piece. Doesn't hurt to use a new o-ring and I suggest a little bit of Hondabond around the o-ring for an extra layer of sealant.
I was looking at this again and there looks like a plug in your crankcase vent inside the filter housing. Did you remove that plug?
There's a plug to the air temp sensor inside the filter housing that you reuse. Is that what you're referring to?
No wonder ktm's services are so steep at the dealer!😳 gotta pull half the bike apart to change a filter...honestly surprised that ktm approached it this way considering the go anywhere marketing of the bikes, thats certainly not a roadside or parking lot friendly service if something mucks up your filter during a trip
If you saw my Alaska trip, you'll see I did in fact pull the tank to do a few things to the bike in a parking lot while I was in Deadwood, SD. Took about 30 minutes. The first time I had to pull the tank took me about an hour but once you've done it a few times it's about 15 minutes to disassemble and another 15 to put it back together.
I did the fuel dongles a couple days ago in hopes that it will cool the engine down below the 5k range. Anyone notice this? I immediately noticed the the bike started a little faster and slightly quicker response on the throttle. Haven't ridden it though it's still freezing here in Ut.
In theory it _should_ cool the engine a bit as it's running richer mixture. I have a review video somewhere on the channel mentioning the improved and smoother throttle repsonse from close to 1/4.
I noticed the slightly quicker throttle response but not too much on temps below 5k
Did you have to remove the throttle bodies to hook the stage 3 sync lines? Looking at them, it's a tight fit. I can't find any instructions for this part of the install on Rottweiler's site.
No. One of the sync lines wasn't too bad but the other I had to contort my hand and use a combination of screwdriver and needle nose pliers to get it on.
@@2WR do you have any photos of where these lines are connected to the throttle bodies?
Thx for the videos
Another question: did you sync the throttle bodies with the fuel tank in place?
How much of that oil did you need to use before the filter was saturated? I'm reading the instructions and it talks about spraying the filter and rubbing it in until the oil begins to seep through the other side. I'm through half a can of NoToil and the inside is still dry... Does it really take that much??
Ryan, it shouldn't take near that much. Spray an area and then massage it into the foam.
Thanks. I realized I wasn't massaging the foam nearly hard enough. I had wayyy over-saturated it. I decided to wash, dry, and re-apply. All good. Thanks man.
Are the snorkles eliminated? There's no junction for them in the Rottweiler airbox.
Yep. I put all the factory parts in a box should I or the next owner want to return it back to stock.
@@2WR Thanks, I should be getting mine this weekend for the SD!
I'm so glad you asked! Was searching through comments. I figured there was no need as the airbox pulls air through entire surface area of foam filter.
Getting my 2016 1190 ready for my first Alaska trip from Denver. 8k miles round trip!
What about the sas system? Did you just leave it there with the hoses open?
I don't remember what all I stated in the video but I've completely deleted my SAS. The tank hoses vent to atmosphere while the tb hoses are capped. The rear canister is also gone with a dongle plugged in.
Thank you@@2WR, It's a great video, better than the instructions from the website.
What did you do with the drain plug mentioned at 4:20 in the video, did you leave it open?
Alex - I'm trying to keep the SAS, and now believe a puchase of the a 5/8" UNI mini filter for the SAS iis needed $16.
So did you notice any mpg change? Is it better or worst?
Recently it's been getting 0.0mpg since it's been sitting in the garage. I'll be tracking it on my next trip in a little over 2 weeks to see if there's any change.
2 years later......
Did you notice an increase in your MPG?
so that this point did you remove SAS equipment?
This video explain the SAS delete czcams.com/video/92wSVbWpb0o/video.html
Question. I bought my 1290 with this kit already installed. One thing I noticed is that whomever installed this left the snorkels on. Should I leave them or remove them?
No need for the snorkels. All they are doing is restricting airflow.
@@2WR Roger that. Appreciate it. 👍
I used this video to see the breather hose a 8:30
mine was not on properly and puked oil onto the wire harness connectors under the seat
I've been getting every failure warning and the gauges stop functioning shortly after start up.
Did the stage 3 kit include the o2 sensor plugs and dongles? I looked on there website and I dont see it listed as included. Is it an add on? Great video!
You get the fueling dongles with the Stage 3 but NOT O2 plugs. Also, you don't get one velocity stack. I bought the second.
2 Wheeled Rider awesome thanks for the heads up! I just recently purchased a 2018 1290 s and plan on doing a few mods. Been subscribed for awhile great content keep it up!
No problem and thanks for the kind words. Will probably have a week or two break from posting since I'm on my big trip but will have tons of videos coming the rest of the year.
Claustrum S thanks you too! It's by far the best bike I've ever owned. I did get a good deal on it. The dealer waved a bunch of fees and some.
Hi great video do you need to 're map the bike after or is it all good
Good to go with the stage 3
2 Wheeled Rider, do you still have to remove the tank to clean or replace these as per the OEM filter?
Due to the way the bike is designed, I don't see a way around it. You may be able to rock the tank forward enough to access the air box but even so, it'd only save a few minutes because you'd still have to pull out all the bodywork fasteners that are attached to the tank.
Fair enough, just wondered.
Is it with stock exaust? if so any remap required?
I'm still running the stock exhaust. No remap required.
@@2WR Thanks for the reply.Thinking of doing the same with my superduke r.The intake sound is awesome with this airbox.
Did you notice any powergains?
Power gains? Yes. MPG gain? No...because I'm always in the throttle to hear that sound.
anybody have the idea of putting some light fans on top of the velocity stacks to create a vortex of air going into the engine?
This setup has been specifically designed for these bikes and dyno-tested. You'll only hurt the performance with what you suggested.
@2 Wheeled Rider doubt it. Unless you've tried it? Got data? Didn't think so. 🤔 I'm curious.
@2 Wheeled Rider if I do it I'll report back on any findings
I know this question is mainly a personal preference but How much intake noise did this add over stock air box in your opinion and has it bothered you?
At cruising RPMs and at idle there is no noticeable difference. They only time you'll notice the added noise is when you really crack into the throttle.
So... how often do you need to oil the filters now?
Can’t really give you a good estimate. It all comes down to riding conditions. Obviously you don’t want to go too long in between as the oil won’t be as effective trapping dirt.
Hello I have a 1290 ktm street where I can buy everything is kit by fabor you can leave number of pieces of every friend greeting and thank you very much
Gotta buy it directly from Rottweiler.
Dude, change that rear brake fluid. lol
Looks pretty nasty...
@@2WR I changed mine after a year. Should be able to do 2 years now I think. You have some great how to videos. I am just working on my 30,000 km service. Valves were good. Put new chain and sprockets, rear brake pads.
Getting ready to start the front end now. Going to change fork oil and seals, tire and brake pads.
Question, I just installed the Rottweiller intake. Not planning on changing the fueling, just deleted SAS and canister.
Do you think it would cause the bike to be too lean? I'm thinking the O2 sensors will probably allow it to compensate and remain at the stock fuel ratio.
Get a heatpump :)