the Vintage Microtubes sounds great, I usually cant stand most fuzz / overdrive boxes for bass but that sound is great without being too harsh or brittle sounding Surprised.. no compressor??
Hi Jonathan! I sold you a 78 P-Bass and a Curbow 5 over 15 years ago. Wish I had that P-Bass back! Excellent demo. I use 7 pedals: Korg tuner, VT preamp, Markbass overdrive, DOD flange, Analogman chorus, and MXR compressor. May have to try a couple of those...
It’s one thing to own all of those kinds of pedals,.. and another to know when & how to use them! You seem to have a grasp on both! 👍🏾They all sounded great BTW!! Tough to use as ya wish in a “band situation” at times though,..don’t cha think?🤔🎶🎸...Rock n’ Funk on man!!🤘🏾
Hey, Cincinnati bassist here. This is a great demo video, very useful! I have the same TC tuner and really like it. I also acquired an Octabass about a week ago and I think it sounds fantastic. WAY better tracking and overall sound than the Sub n Up I previously had. Anyway, I'd love to check out your live sound and maybe talk shop sometime. Cheers! Jeremy
You can go to www.themenus.org Click on calendar and you can see when and where I'm playing. Most shows are out of town but quite a few local coming up over the next few months.
Peppermint Patty ate 10 people's homework. In all seriousness, I really dig the sound of the Duality for a fuzz that doesn't just sound like another Muff clone. I'm also going to give the VMT a whirl. I've tried the B3K and just didn't get along with it. I found the it to be too grainy/blurry. But every VMT series I've heard sounds great.
I am looking for a pedal to emulate Moog synth bass? ( so far ) the S.A. C-4 seems-to-be the only viable option. I'm told I can also use either: Fuzz, OD or Distortion (in conjunction) with the Boss OC-5? - Any input is appreciated. I am a guitarist and New to Bass. oNe LovE from NYC
Could you run the wet output from the Leaf Audio octaver into the EBS Octabass, so that it's the same pitch as the original, and then mix it back in? Would that thicken the tone without sounding complete crap?
Jesse Fortner - The EBS would most likely not be able to track a synthesized octave down note generated by another octave device.... octave dividers track a clean dry bass sound with the most efficiency...
Hi Jonathan, thanks for sharing! I got a question. Due to the fact that the 3Leafe Audio Octabvre seems to be sold out, which Octaver could you recommend? Greetings from frankfurt!
It seems odd that you don't like the overdrive before the envelope filter or envelope phaser, but you do like the fuzz before them. I can't imagine that an overdrive pedal would reduce the dynamics of your bass signal more than a fuzz would.
Mark Keneson-Fuzz pedal reacted differently when run after the envelope filter. It sounded better when a fuzz tone was "enveloped".... Just the opposite for the overdrive. Sounded better to overdrive an envelope sound, so the overdrive is run after. I kind of looked at the overdrive as if it were an old SVT and running an envelope through it...
Jonathan Grooms, whatever sounds best is the way to go. It just seemed odd in theory. That's why experimenting is so important, otherwise you wouldn't have ever found out the sound you like.
What do you think of squier basses? danelctro basses? music man basses? music man makes affordable basses called sub series and since I'm a 14 year old bassist I was thinking about getting one. any thoughts? my current bass is a squier affordable precision bass with a jazz pickup in the bridge. it plays great. (I'm using my dad's early 2000s fender American deluxe precision bass with a humbucker in the bridge as comparison.)
If you like your dad's bass, your Squire should compare similarly....Music Man will be a different tone, but that's what you may be going for. Even most of the more inexpensive basses now ate well made and if set up properly, they should be great playing instruments.
Jonathan Grooms thanks for your opinion! I just got your video in my recommended and enjoy your playing. I play ska and some punk ish stuff. Cool videos man!🤘
Hey!..👏🏾a fine demo of your pedal setup! But,..I believe that you have to also mention your Bass Amp tweak. What were the settings used on that Fender Bassman behind you? To optimize your experience of sound/tones desired with effects tweaking,..you need time spent on the Amp & direct box actually...to know what you’ll really be hearing live. ☝🏾🎸🎛🔊🎶✨ BTW,...I find that the Mark Bass Amp is challenging to use for “Real Tone Qualities” of the Bass used....too much of the “Mark” tone in the sound..imo!!...🤔
+jose ortiz check out the demon by fuzzrocious version of the ocd and has more of lower mid sounds or buy some kinda of parallel mixer which will allow you mix your clean singal into your dirty so you keep that fat bottom and their is also the b3k by darkglass which is just killer but a pretty penny , i hope that helped
+alexander “aj” chang thanks for the help. I've checked the demos. Unfortunately it's not the sound that I'm looking for. Also the price. I've picked up an MXR eq and put it after the overdrive to boost the lows. I hope that resolves it. If that doesn't work, I'm interested in the Bass Soul Food. Thanks again for your help
I think for the sound I'm looking for (and moneywise) I'll stick with the Bass Soul Food. I want to put a little dirt in the sound, not an earthquake like a fuzz, or a robot for distortion
@@jonathangroomsbassist what about for different projects? even within a single project, i change a lot of pedals out (especially choruses and delays that I might suddenly dislike for one reason or another).
Have you tried the Zoom B3? And if so, what are your thoughts and comments? I have been playing for 47 years and have rarely used effects usually getting bored with it and the gimmicky feel, letting t;hem collect dust and eventually sold or traded. But the quality of the Zoom has me inspired for three weeks so far. Still not its master, by any means
Tim Pascale: I've been using an MS-60B by Zoom. I haven't found anything for near the price (~$100) that compares. 95% of its sounds are on-the-money, and the effects are extremely "tweakable". Check out the manual and preset list that are downloadable.
Question: How do you run all those pedals without tone loss. I love pedals but every time I try to use them my tone changes so much that I give up on using them. For me plugging straight into my amp just can't be beat. I have been researching into getting a buffer to try again. Thanks Brother!!!!!
No secret really, all pedals are true bypass, and I use high quality short length patch cables. Also keep the cable between your pedal board and your amp as short as possible. 15-20 foot maximum. Longer cable will lose highs without a buffer.
Tuners with buffers seems to be a thing now. Considering that's usually your first pedal after the long-ish cable into your pedalboard should help a lot. A good pre-amp/DI at the end of your chain will do the rest
@@jonathangroomsbassist 4 years late but I get that. I find for slap though, It's basically a requirement. There's just not real way to suppress the increase in volume from slapping vs finger or pick. Most pros who use compression aren't using it to correct dynamics, but to control the uncontrollable and perhaps tame some frequencies.
Great video Jonathan! Can you tell what bass effects were used in "Blood Bitch" by Cocteau Twins? here is link: czcams.com/video/B11HayRzk3g/video.html Thank you in advance!
Why bother having nice old guitars and great sounding tube amps just to totally destroy the tone with pedals? May as well just use a crappy Danelectro bass and solid state BOSS amp if you want to sound like crap. Thanks for the demo, your bass and amp sounds awesome without any pedals btw, guess pedals aren't my thing.(but I mainly play old Blues, Alt. Country & Folkrock) I have the same Bassman100T & Neo 410 absolutley love it, not the overdrive so much but that vintage ch is something else. Would appreciate you running through you amp settings someday, too bad they quit making the 100T.
Pedalz are great man. Not for everyone though. It’s all about knowing when to use them. In blues, you are probably fine without them. But for other genres, they work wonderfully
BASS player here, octaver feverd, one growly, one clean, dig that!!! Very informative video, thank you!!!
Hahahahah the "Teacher of Charlie Brown" effect was awesome!! I need one! Hahahaha
Very wonderful commentary, very useful. Loved the Charlie Brown!!!
Love that duality!!
Totally funky ! Great demo of highly usable funk sounds.
the Vintage Microtubes sounds great, I usually cant stand most fuzz / overdrive boxes for bass but that sound is great without being too harsh or brittle sounding
Surprised.. no compressor??
Hi Jonathan! I sold you a 78 P-Bass and a Curbow 5 over 15 years ago. Wish I had that P-Bass back! Excellent demo. I use 7 pedals: Korg tuner, VT preamp, Markbass overdrive, DOD flange, Analogman chorus, and MXR compressor. May have to try a couple of those...
It’s one thing to own all of those kinds of pedals,.. and another to know when & how to use them!
You seem to have a grasp on both!
👍🏾They all sounded great BTW!!
Tough to use as ya wish in a “band situation” at times though,..don’t cha think?🤔🎶🎸...Rock n’ Funk on man!!🤘🏾
thank you man for your time in this video. I learned a lot ;)
excellent demonstration of your pedals
great pedalboard for bass, wish I had most of those.
6:52 (destroys earphone users) “I love that”
omg hahaha exactly my same thoughts
Beautiful bass!! 🕶
I lolled at Charlie Brown. Thanks for the demo :D
Great demo!
Found you on CZcams brother! I will be watching for tips.
My favorite tone was the octave down plus the envelope filter, very synthy and cool and weird
Hey, Cincinnati bassist here. This is a great demo video, very useful! I have the same TC tuner and really like it. I also acquired an Octabass about a week ago and I think it sounds fantastic. WAY better tracking and overall sound than the Sub n Up I previously had. Anyway, I'd love to check out your live sound and maybe talk shop sometime. Cheers! Jeremy
You can go to www.themenus.org
Click on calendar and you can see when and where I'm playing. Most shows are out of town but quite a few local coming up over the next few months.
@@jonathangroomsbassist Sounds great, I will try to do that. Thanks!
@@jsnichols1 I have one, a bass, no amp. I saw Tony Levin using one, and used it for recording.
Peppermint Patty ate 10 people's homework.
In all seriousness, I really dig the sound of the Duality for a fuzz that doesn't just sound like another Muff clone. I'm also going to give the VMT a whirl. I've tried the B3K and just didn't get along with it. I found the it to be too grainy/blurry. But every VMT series I've heard sounds great.
Very informative. Thank you. I like the octaver and the envelope filter. I don't like the phaser tho.
Phase can be an interesting substitute for chorus...not that I would have it on my pedalboard..
Nice!
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Putting subs on this video is really funny. Great video btw :)
I know I'm really late to the party here, but great job, Jonathan, and Thanks for the knowledge!! Sparks
Thanks Steven. Never too late for positivity
Hey Jonathan, if you don't mind.... If you had a compression pedal, where would you put it in this mix? Thanks for your time!! Sparks
I am looking for a pedal to emulate Moog synth bass? ( so far ) the S.A. C-4 seems-to-be the only viable option. I'm told I can also use either: Fuzz, OD or Distortion (in conjunction) with the Boss OC-5? - Any input is appreciated. I am a guitarist and New to Bass. oNe LovE from NYC
Isn’t there supposed to be borge true bypass and a buffered pedal? To male the best Sound? 🤷🏼♂️😱
WHERE'D YOU GO MAN I JUST FOUND YOUR CHANNEL
OC2 has two wet voices and a dry signal that you can mix.
Same with the new OC-5 now
Could you run the wet output from the Leaf Audio octaver into the EBS Octabass, so that it's the same pitch as the original, and then mix it back in? Would that thicken the tone without sounding complete crap?
Jesse Fortner - The EBS would most likely not be able to track a synthesized octave down note generated by another octave device.... octave dividers track a clean dry bass sound with the most efficiency...
I uses a DOD stereo flanger.
Hi Jonathan, thanks for sharing! I got a question. Due to the fact that the 3Leafe Audio Octabvre seems to be sold out, which Octaver could you recommend? Greetings from frankfurt!
MXR Bass Octave or EBS Octaver
@@jonathangroomsbassist thanks for this input.They are both analog I assume..I am still looking for one that can get that low e right..
It seems odd that you don't like the overdrive before the envelope filter or envelope phaser, but you do like the fuzz before them. I can't imagine that an overdrive pedal would reduce the dynamics of your bass signal more than a fuzz would.
Mark Keneson-Fuzz pedal reacted differently when run after the envelope filter. It sounded better when a fuzz tone was "enveloped"....
Just the opposite for the overdrive. Sounded better to overdrive an envelope sound, so the overdrive is run after.
I kind of looked at the overdrive as if it were an old SVT and running an envelope through it...
Jonathan Grooms, whatever sounds best is the way to go. It just seemed odd in theory. That's why experimenting is so important, otherwise you wouldn't have ever found out the sound you like.
What do you think of squier basses? danelctro basses? music man basses? music man makes affordable basses called sub series and since I'm a 14 year old bassist I was thinking about getting one. any thoughts? my current bass is a squier affordable precision bass with a jazz pickup in the bridge. it plays great. (I'm using my dad's early 2000s fender American deluxe precision bass with a humbucker in the bridge as comparison.)
If you like your dad's bass, your Squire should compare similarly....Music Man will be a different tone, but that's what you may be going for. Even most of the more inexpensive basses now ate well made and if set up properly, they should be great playing instruments.
Jonathan Grooms thanks for your opinion! I just got your video in my recommended and enjoy your playing. I play ska and some punk ish stuff. Cool videos man!🤘
I will also say that although the Danelectros are well made and play nice, they are a completely different sound than a Fender...
Hey!..👏🏾a fine demo of your pedal setup!
But,..I believe that you have to also mention your Bass Amp tweak.
What were the settings used on that Fender Bassman behind you?
To optimize your experience of sound/tones desired with effects tweaking,..you need time spent on the Amp & direct box actually...to know what you’ll really be hearing live. ☝🏾🎸🎛🔊🎶✨
BTW,...I find that the Mark Bass Amp is challenging to use for “Real Tone Qualities” of the Bass used....too much of the “Mark” tone in the sound..imo!!...🤔
FlamesAt1000ft I would agree with the "Mark tone" opinion.. cuts, but a bit dark and needs work from the controls to get the highs...
Amp set flat.
Do you recommend any reverb pedals for bass?
YungLeon not really... maybe on solo bass or fretless, but I don't hear much reverb used on bass guitar.
Hello. I have and OCD pedal. It sounds great in my bass but it cut the lows... Any suggestions on how to fix this? Thanks!!
+jose ortiz check out the demon by fuzzrocious version of the ocd and has more of lower mid sounds or buy some kinda of parallel mixer which will allow you mix your clean singal into your dirty so you keep that fat bottom and their is also the b3k by darkglass which is just killer but a pretty penny , i hope that helped
+alexander “aj” chang thanks for the help. I've checked the demos. Unfortunately it's not the sound that I'm looking for. Also the price. I've picked up an MXR eq and put it after the overdrive to boost the lows. I hope that resolves it. If that doesn't work, I'm interested in the Bass Soul Food. Thanks again for your help
mxr makes pretty good bass od, adding an eq should help abit
+alexander “aj” chang Yes! They have some interesting stuff also!
I think for the sound I'm looking for (and moneywise) I'll stick with the Bass Soul Food. I want to put a little dirt in the sound, not an earthquake like a fuzz, or a robot for distortion
What pedal board brand is that? Its 22x12?
Thomas Jackson- Pedaltrain 22x12
is there such a thing as a "finalized" pedalboard? is it still the same, nine years later? :)
OK I'll give ya' that one. It has changed quite a bit over the years as products improve and develop. Same types of pedals, a few brand changes.
@@jonathangroomsbassist what about for different projects? even within a single project, i change a lot of pedals out (especially choruses and delays that I might suddenly dislike for one reason or another).
Who do you play with in Cincinnati?
Chris Rhoton A band called The Menus. www.themenus.org
Have you tried the Zoom B3? And if so, what are your thoughts and comments? I have been playing for 47 years and have rarely used effects usually getting bored with it and the gimmicky feel, letting t;hem collect dust and eventually sold or traded. But the quality of the Zoom has me inspired for three weeks so far. Still not its master, by any means
Tim Pascale: I've been using an MS-60B by Zoom. I haven't found anything for near the price (~$100) that compares. 95% of its sounds are on-the-money, and the effects are extremely "tweakable". Check out the manual and preset list that are downloadable.
Which brand/model pedalboard is that?
Pedaltrain Jr.
Question: How do you run all those pedals without tone loss. I love pedals but every time I try to use them my tone changes so much that I give up on using them. For me plugging straight into my amp just can't be beat. I have been researching into getting a buffer to try again. Thanks Brother!!!!!
No secret really, all pedals are true bypass, and I use high quality short length patch cables. Also keep the cable between your pedal board and your amp as short as possible. 15-20 foot maximum. Longer cable will lose highs without a buffer.
Tuners with buffers seems to be a thing now. Considering that's usually your first pedal after the long-ish cable into your pedalboard should help a lot. A good pre-amp/DI at the end of your chain will do the rest
pedalboard measures?
12x22...
No compressor?
Using an Origin Effects Cali 76 bass compressor now....
only costs over 1000 bugs..... :(
CHARLIE BROWN YES
:-)
10:49
Charlie Brown's teacher.... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Don't bore us, get to the chorus.
Roxette?
Vintage bamm .😜
No compressor? Wow
Never needed one. I like controlling dynamics with my hands.
@@jonathangroomsbassist 4 years late but I get that. I find for slap though, It's basically a requirement. There's just not real way to suppress the increase in volume from slapping vs finger or pick. Most pros who use compression aren't using it to correct dynamics, but to control the uncontrollable and perhaps tame some frequencies.
Great video Jonathan! Can you tell what bass effects were used in "Blood Bitch" by Cocteau Twins? here is link: czcams.com/video/B11HayRzk3g/video.html Thank you in advance!
vihayster Sounds like a very deep chorus setting or a mild flange.. chorus at a deep setting with a medium rate would come close to replicating that.
Why bother having nice old guitars and great sounding tube amps just to totally destroy the tone with pedals? May as well just use a crappy Danelectro bass and solid state BOSS amp if you want to sound like crap. Thanks for the demo, your bass and amp sounds awesome without any pedals btw, guess pedals aren't my thing.(but I mainly play old Blues, Alt. Country & Folkrock) I have the same Bassman100T & Neo 410 absolutley love it, not the overdrive so much but that vintage ch is something else. Would appreciate you running through you amp settings someday, too bad they quit making the 100T.
Pedalz are great man. Not for everyone though. It’s all about knowing when to use them. In blues, you are probably fine without them. But for other genres, they work wonderfully