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Sony FX3 FX30 Timecode: just one Deity TC1 to sync unlimited cameras!
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- čas přidán 22. 01. 2023
- Sync all your Sony FX cameras with just one Deity TC-1 and one Sony BNC adaptor: they keep the sync perfectly even after one day!
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New sub! Thank you! That’s an amazing tip that I’ve never seen anywhere else. I hope your channel skyrockets with much deserved success.
Thank you Gravity! As first videos I am trying to push unique content that I couldn't find in other videos on YT... my English is not the best but I am trying anyway!
Have a great day and bu$ine$$!!!!
Tried Jaming our sony's like this but they do indeed drift apart by more than a couple frames over a half day shoot.
For some people this is "close enough". But we ended up buying the 3-pack of the TC-1 and also got the Deity TC23 instead of using Sony's BNC adapter.
Now our FX6, FX3 and ZOOM F6 are all EXACTLY sync'd for an entire shoot day. The set I have I tested - they dropped apart by 1 frame after about 36 hours. Pretty good!
Dear Envisage Studios, yep, as I said the loss of sync is very light but there is some... as I see you shoot very long forms... If you have budget, of course, go for the safest solution.
And OK the TC23 was not available at the time of recording of this video (at least in Europe) but it's a great solution overall!
Thanks for your contribution and support to my channel!
Have a good day!
Hi! Is Zoom F2 and F3 compatible with TC-1 via bluetooth?
Does the tc1 still pass audio through the deity c23 cable for a scratch audio track to the camera
Where was this video when I bought all my timecode devices 🤣🤣🤣 This is great I am def testing this out in the next few days
Dear Miguel... I am trying to get out and grow as a channel... unfortunately when you are small it's not easy to reach people by search! SO PLEASE support me, share, subscribe... give me a hand! Love you and CU in the next videos!
Thank you for this cool Video. Does the Tentacle Sync also work with 4K 50p? Because I've read, that the tentacle just accepts 30p as maximum.
Thank you for sharing this wonderful tip!! All the gear can really add up so I appreciate these little known tricks :)
Thanks a lot Sitinpretty! Hope you will subscribe my channel for future videos! Have a great day!
Hi, I have a question, due the new firmaware 3.0 Update of the A7IV, do you know if this works for the A7iv by Multiport? like the FX series
Have you found the answer yet? I'm wondering the same thing
what did you find?
@@hecjvaldez a7s3 works, I found a short talking about it
My TC1 is in the way I can update when I meet up with a friends with a74!
Do you know if you can do this with Nikon DSLR's that have timecode capabilities? I have a couple of D780's
Dear Life and Legacy, I really don't know the Nikon world, You can buy a TC1 with the appropriate cable for your Nikon and do a test within the return window of Amazon or other seller and see by yourself... I would be very glad to help but I really don't have an answer: have a super bu$ine$$ and thanks a lot for your support to the channel!
This was great video. I have a question, if I unplug the tc-1 from my cameras do you think I’ll have any audio drift issues during a 4-5 hour shoot? I plan on getting just one Deity TC-1 to use for my fx3, fx30, and zoom recorder
Dear SMR, I am sure you will not have problems with FX30/3... as I did say in the video when you mix devices it may vary a bit... but in my history in 5 hours I didn't have any relevant distance between the TC1 and the 2 Sonys.... SO... I think it will definitely work! THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR SUPPORT, have a great day!
Which zoom recorder do you use and how do you use it with TC1?
I don’t use an external recorder, I record in camera using xlr connected to the fx3 handle when I need more channels or flexibility I use a Rodecaster.
It would be interesting to see when that setup would experience a drift. If you have a slate, you could set all three to record the slate while displaying their own timecode and see when the drift starts to happen. That way you’ll figure out your max shoot length before you’d have to re-jam sync your cameras.
Thanks for the video do you know if this works for A7siii as well?
Hi "Hard is Easy", on the A7SIII you will need to keep the TC-1 connected at all times and you will loose one audio channel to record the timecode signal. Ideally if you are looking into an upgrade you should go for FX series cameras and, once you have "paired" the FX cameras you will still have the TC1 available for your A7SIII. Hope this was useful for you. Have a good day and thanks for your support to the channel!
Great video. Super helpful. Can you share a link to the Sony Cable(s) needed for this?
HI R83! Thanks for your comment and support to the channel!
From B&H this is the link, don't know where you live but it's still pretty hard to get: from Europe I got it from B&H since in EU there's not stock almost everywhere:
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1717858-REG/sony_vmc_bncm1_timecode_adapter_cable.html?sts=pi
Have a good day and bu$ine$$!
hi, i can't understand why the cameras can't be connected via bluetooth. It works with zoom or tascam. thanks for your support
Good question but I think because Bluetooth is not consistent in terms of lag and delays. Only devices from the same brand can successfully sync by Bluetooth I think!
@@impromptuvideo Correct, delay also arises because a high data rate has to be sent. Only in this case it is quite low. Ultimately, it is sent again and again, which means that a constant is calculated. I use Atomos blue sync, it accesses several devices at the same time and there are no problems here.
I am not sure if I udnerstood, what is the trick here? Would any timecode generator work or is this specific to Deity TC1? How does it work?
Any one should work (e.g. tentacle). However, sony / tentacle say that there will be a slight drift on their cameras that do not have a dedicated timecode port, so use this tip with those cameras at your own risk I suppose.
@@SitinprettyProductions yept, I tried and it is no good :) drifts and does not synch up so well.
Great video! I am glad to know I will only need one unit for both of my FX-30’s. Btw was that sound behind the logo in the beginning the sound of a eye pressure test lol? If so that it genius!
Hi John! Glad this was useful for you! I am trying to bring content in both English and Italian on my channel, go on supporting me and CU very soon with more great content!
Have a good day, work and bu$ine$$!!
Thanks. Just subscribed. Great tip as I want to move to multi cam capability for video. Is this just limited to FX3 and FX30 or can it also be set in other cameras like the a7iv?
I have just bought a Deity TC-1 triple kit. Plan eventually to buy an FX3 then maybe a FX30.
Currently I'm using an a7iv hybrid camera. Was initially planning to use with my MixPre-6ii field recorder for off-camera sound syncing later in DaVinci Resolve. Specifically TC-1 box plugged into audio jack on a7iv (scratch audio right track and audio-timecode on left track) so that Sony's a7iv can also be TC synced at expense of recording high quality sound direct to camera. Audio version of TC is then easily converted into meta data timecode for easy auto sync with metadata marked sound tracks, ex MixPre-6ii.
Hi Ricky! THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT!
Cameras without internal timecode (such as the A7iv) will work but they require the TC1 to be connected to the camera at all times, plus you will loose an audio channel. If for example you will have: 1 FX3, 1 FX30 and 1 A7iv... all you will need is always only one TC-1.
You first connect the TC-1 to the FX series camera and then, finally, you keep it connected to the A7iv.
In other words you may have 1 non-fx camera for each Multicam setup without the need to buy more TC1s.
If you need more help please just ask!
@@impromptuvideo Does it work on A7SIII ?
Hi William! Yes it does but you'll need to keep it connected and you will loose one of the 2 audio tracks. You will not need the sony BNC adaptor but you may use the TRS cable coming with the TC-1.
Have a good day and thanks for your support to the channel!
I realize that this video is a few months old, but I just stumbled on it while looking into cheap solutions to synchronize a field recorder timecode with a Sony a7 iv. This is very interesting information. Thanks a lot for taking the time to make this video.
I do have a question: Did you try it on other Sony cameras? I am asking because I looked into the Sony Camera Remote SDK, and there is a set of functions to control the timecode remotely, but these functions are available only for the A7R v, A7 iv, and ZV-E1. Surprisingly, these functions to control timecodes aren't available for the FX3 and FX30. Since the VMC-BNCM1 seems to be a trivial piece of engineering from a conceptual point of view, I was wondering if there would be a chance to make it to work on the A7R v, A7 iv, and ZV-E1.
Dear Come Raczy, thanks a lot for your comment and support to the channel! You may be absolutely right, even if there's no reference to timecode for those cameras it may work anyway if Sony has not "stripped" the functionality out of them. I will try to have it tested but for now I didn't have this chance... I promise I will do my best to have it tested with at least one of these cameras since this can be a big big breakthrough! Thanks for the hint and have great bu$ine$$!
Very helpful, thanks!
I know this is stupid question, but why don’t you just sync in post?
Dear Nima, we should say to Deity and Tentacle Sync to stop producing their devices! Heheh, Joking here. Timecode allows a "scientific" synchronisation not based on audio: you may have different audios on different cameras (see a wedding or ceremony) where cameras go on and off randomly and generate many clips that require a long time to sync manually or using automatic functions based on audio. This is why you want to use a Sync device and a timecode enabled camera.
Hope this clarifies the thing!
Thanks a lot for your comment and support and CU soon on the channel!
@@impromptuvideo Yes! thank you for clarifying!
Can you sync audio mixers as well?
Dear Jesus, thanks a lot for getting in touch!
I try to give an interpretation to your question: you want to sync not only the camera audio but also a feed coming from a mixer?
In this case I would connect the mixer to the XLR or TRS of one of the cameras (if your cameras do have timecode internally).
If not you can either use a timecode enabled audio recorder (like a Zoom for example) or, if you don't want to invest on this, and your mixer can record multitrack audio (anyway you have to record audio somewhere !!!) you may attach the TC-1 as audio input in one of your channels/track and record the timecode signal to it (a mono track will be enough).
In other words on any non-timecode device you will need to connect the TC1 or other generator and record a sync track.
In your case I would buy a Zoom F6 and connect the mixer to it and you are pretty safe.
Hope this helps,
thanks a for supporting the channel and have a good one!
@@impromptuvideo so I am looking at zoom f3, I own fx3 and fx6 and after 3-4 hours on youtube, timecode wont work because it only syncs with atomos. I saw someone use the line out of it and send signal to camera with rode mic go but I own dji mic for run and gun and that might be an option. I still wont have timecode thiugh just a safety on f3
I also wanted to see if I can work around the no top handle fx6 = no audio by syncing timecode and recording on another device. (Just a thought not be necessary since im already working around a simple put on the grip on camera)
Wait so I can get zoom f3 and 1 timecode generator, sync both cameras and leave it inserted into zoom f3 channel?
I always dreaded this because of all the research, and typically I only cam op but been getting bids for multicam and a potential passion project. Thanks for replying!
Hi Jesus! Happy to help... hope I got your issue properly... each of your periods will be a progressive number 1,2,3 4:
1) I would send the out of a digital recorder to a camera only if the camera accepts line signals and not only mic (i.e. XLR handle on a Sony FX)... if you use a digital recorder it would be ok sending scratch audio to the camera through any wireless mic system... but I would consider the Zoom as "main" and the camera one only to sync with audio (rather than timecode).
2) I don't know if it will work: you need to have very similar audio recordings from 2 cameras to sync through audio.
I would record everything you can on the Zoom and using timecode on the FX6 and recording there just a scratch audio track.
3) YES, the timecode track works on anything that can record multitrack audio or video/audio. It only needs one channel so you can still record some mono audio for monitoring / backup sync purposes.
4) OK, if you give me the exact situation, what you have and what you want to achieve I may be more effective. Send me an email if you want: info@impromptu.video
Have a good one!
Has anyone else tried this?
You are very welcome LopStream!