How The West Can Stop Putin, with Exiled Critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky | Intelligence Squared
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- Mikhail Khodorkovsky has experienced first hand the wrath of Vladimir Putin. Here, in conversation with his co-author Martin Sixsmith, Khodorkovsky shares his unique insight into Putin, the Russian regime and the president's abuse of power. Drawing from his new book ‘The Russia Conundrum’, Khodorkovsky reveals previously unknown information about his own life to show how Russia really works and how the West can truly begin to blunt the Kremlin’s imperial ambitions.
A successful oil tycoon and once the wealthiest man in Russia, Khodorkovsky was arrested at gunpoint in 2003, stripped of his assets and jailed on politically motivated charges. After almost 10 years in prison, he wrote a handwritten letter to Vladimir Putin pleading for release to see his terminally ill mother. This release was granted on the condition that Khodorkovsky leave Russia for good. After the death of his mother, Khodorkovsky began to criticise Putin publicly once more, eventually becoming one of the most notable critics of Putin and his regime.
The translator is Elena Cook.
This event was recorded live at London's Union Chapel on 8 September 2022.
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As a translator, my hats off to the translator. More than an hour of non-stop impeccable translation of phrasing and mood
«As a translator, my hats off to the translator. More than an hour of non-stop impeccable translation of phrasing and mood»
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No way! I am not translator, but I do have enough experience that it was enough to parrot what was already said and said again. Talking the talk is not that difficult to translate when you already know what the talker is going to say.
@@voltydequa845 maybe you should consider becoming one, then. For me personally, it is exhausting, especially in front of large amount of people.
@@CATDHD No way. For on-the-fly translation only under the very same condition - know in advance, more or less, what is going to be said, and the cognitive / semantic complexity. Could be for text, sometime in the future, if I don't find enough inspiration to be translated myself. :)
(btw I learned English by myself)
This translator / interpreter is amazingly good. With native fluency in both languages I can truly appreciate her skill and talent.
She is helped by the speaker limiting himself to bite sized statements
@@royjacobs1204 True.
RUSIA SERÁ EL ASOTE DEL MUNDO
She is probably a second generation. They are pretty amazing being able to speak both languages on a native level. All of that is lost with third generation as a rule, but she's good, you are absolutely right.
Easy. No lleven ARMAS A UCRANIA. 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
The interpreter is amazing. Nothing gets lost in her translation. Very clear speech, no "EEH", "MEEH", no parasite words, no double meanings. Precise and straight to the point. Bravo!
I agree. Great interpreter.
I read this comment before I had listened and watched the entire presentation. I have to agree she was absolutely world class! They make a powerful and compelling team.
As professional Ru-Eng interpreter I may admit this but I have to note that the cosequtive interpretation is much easier then simultaneouse one.
@@user-jk4yp6fh4h Of course it is. It seems to me that he understands English pretty well but just doesn’t feel comfortable speaking, especially when you are trying to convey complicated responses. I emphasize with him in that sense. I am amazed at the talented interpreters who work at the UN. I wonder wonder how much they get paid?
From a non-Russian speaker...lol.
The guest speaker is wow! Speaking his mother tongue, beautiful Russian and the interpretation is beyond excellence! The message sent to the world is of vital importance to the thinking world.
@@supernova808 Thank you very much for this nice remark! Mr. Khodorkovsky has no opportunity to react to your remark personally, so I'll do it for him. He was born in Moscow, USSR in a Russian-speaking family. His father is a russian jew and his mother is a native russian. Both worked as ordinary chemical engineers at a soviet military plant. I doubt Mr. Khodorkovsky has ever heard Hebrew as a child.
@@supernova808 Hi there Vladolf Putler ZZZombie
What is the message?
Khodorkovsky is an absolutely interesting and compelling speaker. The interpreter is brilliant! I am natively fluent in both Russian and English. I can appreciate her talent.
All of these guys, in time of collapse of USSR was grabbing as much as they could, and buying out some of the biggest and most profitable companies that used to belong to the people of Soviet Union, and Mr. khadarkovsky just angry that he started out so well, and was making so much money that at the end, Mr. Putin is outplayed and outmaneuvered himis just a little upset that someone like Putin was able to outmaneuver him. Mr. Khadarkovsy didn’t become President of Ukos oil company by being honest and not bribing handful or two people in high places.
Is a reformed crook. A true Russian businessman. Like most Russian businessmen today.
@@bm8641 You got it half right. There's nothing reformed about him. He was and still is a crook, who ripped off the Russian people for billions of dollars, directly contributing to creating the conditions that elevated Putin to power. That the western media lionizes this scumbag as some sort of paragon of democratic virtues is frankly embarrassing.
@@bm8641 And only reformed because Putin kicked him out otherwise he would still be there exploiting the people of Russia.
@@bm8641 As a Russian saying goes, a grave won’t fix hunchback. He’s a thief and a crook.
The most intelligent and substantive navigation of the Russian reality, ever! And may I say, would never have been possible without such a brilliant translator. She materialised the intelligence of Mikhail that so often gets "lost in translation". Well done.
Absolutely.
@@Mike-yy4ll , your opinion doesn't matter. Just close up your mouth buddy and listening Hodora Mishutky.
@@global_predictor насколько я понимаю тут удаляют комменты несогласных, очень удобная знаменитая западная свобода слова :))))))))
@@maxim_1971 , ну её в сша, когда дело касается денег и уровня жизни на 2-3порядка больше чем в рф, об этом даже спорить нету смысла. А вот когда речь заходит о полит повестке и реально огромных, умопомрачительных деньгах, то между большевиками западными и большевиками восточного блока ничего не меняется, ровным счётом.
The most delusional and detached from reality view on Russia ever brought to you by a salty ex oligarch who putin destroyed for being a corrupt piece of garbage that tried to make russia into his personal money making machine.
I feel that Mr. Khodorkovsky has some really great qualities. Many thanks for taking the time for us.
Yes. He has an almost unlimited amount of criminal energy.
This man is a real life James Bond villain, only worse. 27:00
Don't be fooled. He's a billionaire who stole from the Russian people. He was an oligarch for years until Putin decided to get rid of him.
@@ame5773b true.
@@winston_vanderbilt_ll Which James Bond villain ended up in SIberia for 15 years and his entire company seized by Putin and for Putin after proposing for transparency and integration of Russian economy?
@@MikeRyzhikov Khodorkovsky
Ten years in prison and still fighting. That is an unusual level of courage. Inspiring.
Diplomacy
@@Mike-yy4ll It must be fair to say that this is purely something you and I can speculate about, as we have no factual basis to conclude anything. What I relate to is that historie shows it is risky to disagree with Putin. Yes, he must be smart or he wouldn't have created what he has. In addition, he states in the interview that we need skilled people and not politicians to resolve the conflict. There may very well be something to that. He seeks answers by studying history in relation to his reference to Nazism. I would call that smart, that you study, think and are flexible to change your position according to what the facts indicate.
this man became billionaire trough corruption in russian sistem.hes not the only oligarh in russia who is wealthy becouse of that.putin screwed him and hes mad
@@user-ci7vu7eo9w What about Putin?
@@glennnielsen8054 The european human rights council had to admit, that the posecution, trial and judgement of Mr. Chodorkowski didn't violate human rights and were correct according to russian law. It had nothing to do with that "he disagreed with Putin" but because he's a corrupt traitor, who would sell his mother for profit...
Hat's off to that translator. She translated off the cuff as if she had prepared a script. Not sure if I ever seen a better and more fluent performance in any language.
How do you know ...Do you speak Russian?
@@neshod6415 I know Russian well enough and I agree the translator did an amazing job. But even without knowing Russian, the way she spoke, the speed with which she found words in English, all this shows an incredible skill.
I have a feeling you never had a go at interpreting between two languages, let alone do that for an hour and a half, if you can't appreciate what she did here.
@@frusia123 I know that lady was amazing. Although it was unnecessary for her to further add and clarify at times as we got the message. Like for example when he responded simply with the word “Covid”. That’s all he said, he never said “a simple answer” as she added but it’s ok.
@@Takeru9292 I think she did more of it towards the end, and I believe that she was getting tired. When the brain gets tired, it goes into a kind of trance mode to be able to keep going.
You no engliss velly well jurgen sicher deine sprache jeden tag. Join your nazi mates and go fight against Russia!!!
Now, THIS IS A GOLDEN DISCUSSION !!
Listen to the talk of Feng Cheng Peng the poet warrior. He has been debated by many a schoalors. I feel an intellectual such as yourself will ponder through the night with a hot cocoa ☺️
golden discussion ? lol It's Khodorovsky!! A deep corrupted man lol.... he can't have a golden discussion come on !! .. sold to the west just like Navalny
Go get drunk jonny, the war starts in ten minutes!
Top notch translator , gets across the context and also the feelings expressed
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Thank you. Very interesting to hear his thoughts. I wish him well and succeed in his mission to open Russia in the near future. First time I see a translator who is so skilled and talented.
I haven't watched further than 3 mins because I looked to see what the comments said. They all comment on the interpreter, and NO ONE has said what the message was.
You fools in the west are talking about the postman and not about the contents of the letter which perhaps says "You are all bankrupt" - that is of secondary importance.
You ARE bankrupt in the west. You have LOST in the battle of words, since that is what this is about. Having the right to speak. And Jelenski is a dictator with NO OPPOSITION now he made an opposition illegal.
Putin get in there and sort these monkeys out.
what do you mean under open Russia? So the western corporations can take over and profit from Russia vast resources??? Russia is open, but they don't allow foreigners to take over. Khodorkovsky is a crook. He tried to meddle in politics but he was busted.
Always fascinating to hear Khodorkovsky's views.
Which are what? (Unrepeatable?)
@@kennethkeen1234 Listen yourself and learn something.
Please do not miss the forest by looking only at the trees. This presentation did not come to us in order for us to critique the interpreter. I found the content fascinating and informative.
Amen!
The skill of the interpreter is the only thing that can be rescued from this criminal rant.
Brilliant interview
@@ruyaal Wow. Spot on.Great to see an intelligent soul. Yes I see the lady in the beginning reading from her masters stenographer. Salute.
What WAS the content?
Amazing talk! Great translator 👏🏻👏🏻
Glad you liked it!
More crap about translation. No content.
Why do blitches never produce anything of relevance? THey could be cooking a meal, no they add their useful comment with no content. I prove again and again women should be SILENT!
Poignant, yet hopeful. Khodorkovsky honesty evokes and inspires a vibe of revolutionary truth and forewarns us into a united reality.
Fantastic talk. I loved the format, hearing him speak, then the excellent translation.
Thanks Johnny! Glad you enjoyed it
This man, his straightforwardness and humility, reminds me of Polish intelligentsia of the Soviet times. People who could have had good lives if only they agreed to collaborate with the government, instead they chose life of poverty and persecution. This idealism is real. This idealism of Mr. Khodorkovsky is shared by Kasparov, Kara-Murza and other Russian dissidents. And however controversial this might sound this is also the idealism of Zelensky and of many other Ukrainians today. In our turbulent part of the world, this unshakable integrity is a survival strategy - not physical survival of course because what they do is dangerous. But it's a kind of soul survival. Perhaps this isn't always appreciated or even well understood in the West: these people are prepared to give their lives for truth. In fact, that's what they're doing.
The unshakable what of zelenski ? Is it a joke ?
President Zelensky the heart ans soul of his martyr people 🇺🇦💛💙
Super leader👍Slava Ukraine✌
@@Malagom5091 Have been binging on the Russian state media lately, eh?
Putin is a monster, but this guy is anything but a hero. He is still a billionaire and all of that money came from robbing the Russian people. He just happened to cross the wrong man and paid for it. His insights are useful, but he’s not a good guy.
Soul survival ! So much true.
the translator was amazing..love Mikhail! looking forward to the book and the future participation of Mikhail in the development of a Russia which will be easier on its population
God forbid! If you like him so much, take him for yourself. Russian people don't need him, they can't stand him here.
@DEATH TO THE URAINE NAZIS interestingly, it is only the fascistic Russian government that has invaded its neighbours, repeatedly. Only the fascistic Russian government that has openly declared genocidal intent towards a neighbour. Only the fascistic Russian government that has carried out genocide towards a neighbour, abducting children, murdering civilians and striking civilian targets when its military is repeatedly defeated on the battlefield by Ukrainians-, and that will get worse as they get more western arms and ammunition. The Baltic states, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Rumanian, and increasingly the 'Stans are all opposed to Russia because they have experienced Russian culture and benevolence and are prepared to support Ukraine' s fight for independence. Make no mistake, Ukraine will beat Russia on the battlefield and drive it out. Russia:s own corruption and incompetence will tear the RF apart after that
Fantastic translator! Caught not just the words but the essence and mood of the conversation.
I found this forum quite good and have forwarded links to many in my circle. Superb job by the translator and moderator. As so many have noted, I would hope this is viewed by politicians in the west.
So what did he say?
@@kennethkeen1234 «So what did he say?»
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Less than nothing. I knew quite well who's him, but I hoped to hear something not that primitive. I remember that I wondered how could he be that stupid to think he could sell the Russian strategical assets to other states (neither in US you can do that) - that I realized that if he didn't try that nobody would have touched him whatever tax problems etc etc. Add on top of that he was also trying to advance "politically". Such a naive plot! Was he, or some others, that naive?
The person you were asking what did he say? - It is all about conformism. They would parrot the same considerations if you present them a real crocodile that tried to bite Putin.
So beautifully done...BRAVO ! I so enjoyed & was enlightened by the candid, thoughtful explanations of Mikhail ! This interpreter is also the best & most engaging I have ever seen! Thank you all for these insights !
That FSB joke about the two officers in the bar was hilarious.
"The KGB-building is the tallest building in Moskva. You can see Siberia from the basement." No wonder Russians drink.
Where is the joke, no timing in the comment?
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now 1:22:30....
@@paulhargreaves1497 thank you. It was worth it. Very good joke.
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now My pleasure 😎
One of the more interesting talks I've had the pleasure of listening to, recently. Excellent work team. 👏
What a lovely man. He’s definitely a man of integrity. I wish him all the luck in the world. He deserves it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's a god one.
I wonder how many prostitutes he's killed?
Why? What did he say? The comments are all vague and contain NOTHING about what he said. Do you people not tire of bla bla bla everyday? Surely at least ONE can just outline what he said in one brief paragraph or even a sentence? No, yanks and without content - that is who you are. Hollow bins with MuckDonalds and WHispCrisp and nothing else.
Он самый гадкий вор и убийца, поговорите с русскими, они знают что это за...даже человеком не назвать.
Interesting. He knows Putin. And he raised a couple of very interesting points. Translator = Excellent.
What points? No one knows. But you all pretend that the woman did well.
So much touching to realize what an intellectual power is inside this guy. Especially when you are witnessing and going through very poor intellectually run of the Russian state. Hence come all the present time catastrophe.
I totally agree with you! If you aren't doing so already, I highly recommend watching videos by Sergey Guriyev, too.
A hero and an intellectual 🤣🤣🤣
And in English?
What intellectual power he is just a good liar who sweet talks you into believing the bullsh*t he spews
Good talk. Translater is super talented and skilled.
So what was said?
Extremely informative discussion into the thinking and economics of Russia and its leaders! Thank you!
It certainly is a good evaluation of a 21 century Thug with nuclear weapons planning world democracy destruction.
Great talk! It's always a pleasure to listen M. Khodorkovsky and his calm and wise thoughts. This time the translator was a true professional.
Bc you are waiting time pass
Nothing wise about a crook and fraud who presents himself as an innocent man
Special thanks to Mikhail Khodorkovsky and everyone else supporting this enlightening conversation.
Moron is what I would call the man who knows nothing after wasting an hour watching some idiots speak.
all that is said by this guy and all people remember how good the translator is ? ......come on what this guy says is gold.... all politicians should be instructed by this guy
Thank you Tim. I was wondering the same thing when I started going down the comment?
Khordokovsky, had endured the worst of human kind. Pure evil.
Let’s not forgot he was one of the first to warn the world about Putin.
The translator is just doing her job. We thank her. But Khordokovsky is the reason I clicked on this video.
Khodirkovski lost his credibility long ago. He maybe talks well, but it is only the wrap. He is not meaning good for Russia and Russian people. Like Zelenski is no good for Ukraine and Ukranian people. They both are really interested only in themselves, their families and buds.
@@bogmelochej What do you mean about Khodorkovsky not being good for Russia? Could you elaborate?
@@bogmelochej and you have any credibility yourself?
I will take Khordokovsky over your midget of dictator Putin who came from zero to be living like and Saudi King with his family.
Who knew Khordokovsky was warned about being arbitrarily jailed by the midget dictator? But he stayed risking his life and fortune and spent 10 years of his life In prison and live to tell us. Other did not have that chance they were just assassinate with nuclear material injections!
You better get out here with your nonsense.
@@MatkalYael you repeat the lies (about Putin, poisonings, etc) that MSM disperse here. Now fake news outlets say that Russia damaged itself NS2. Will you swallow this fake as well?! Khodarkovski sat for tax frauds of the dimensions which would meant 200 years jail in the USA.
I have to give Khodorkovski applause for saying that Russia is not Putin and we will have to live with Russia after Putin
"To live"- not " to leave"
What gives me a lot of hope is this man, and the understanding he has of the problem. He also has great charisma so I would like to see him have a lot of influence in the future!
whhhat?? you talking about Khodorvsky here? lol !!! he is a freaking corrupted man!! Him and Navalny.. Russians laugh at him... what a joke.. a corrupted name invited here... 😂😂
Putin is a monster, but this guy is anything but a hero. He is still a billionaire and all of that money came from robbing the Russian people. He just happened to cross the wrong man and paid for it. His insights are useful, but he’s not a good guy. It doesn’t give me hope to see how myopic my fellow Westerners are. They can’t differentiate between a guy with a grudge that happens to be useful for us and a selfless activist.
Not in Russia.
He would make a great leader of Russia.
@@violinbuff3782 Khodorvsky? 😅 he is a corrupted man! Now sold to the US just like Navalny! No he is not a good leader for Russia he is a joke to the Russians
Magnificent quests. There was visible deep understanding between two men, remarkable knowing what they were talking about. Thank You.
Quests are fantastic. I ask what type of car he drives. And if he brushes his teeth in the evening - all those things relevant to my own life.
The interpreter was amazing.
I totally agree and wrote the same without having read your comment
I think that the camera man was the best.
What emerges from this is that the West must be careful to draw a distinction between the Kremlin and the Russian people. The latter must not be alienated. They must be part of the solution as Mikhail says.
But there are a lot of ADULTS who don't look beyond the surface of putin ... they are cosseted and lazy fascist nutters who are driven by ideology and that putin can do no wrong. The right wingers in the streets of Moscow are in some ways like the proud boys in America.. nihilists who don't know what they want.. claim it is freedom but they kill so it's not freedom... so they look to acting violently to hurt someone to feed the evil.. evil, which like depression, gets worse and worse and out of control.
That is what putin is like.. he wants to fill a vacuum so his now developed evil is acted on a whim of violence. His bs that history tells him to get things right comes from boredom and aggression.. all powered by evil.. as I say nihilist emptiness and war .. war is an expression of their demented desire for violence
. war to them is the sick expression of "a rush "
Bush is the mass murderer who had Iraq invaded. We must all attack Satan USA.
Spot on.
I reckon it does not really disturb you, Mikhail and the complete West that right now Putin is more popular in Russia then ever was. Btw this is a country where Stalin is the third most popular historical figure... So this kind of approach i. e "I want Putin out, but allied with the ordinary people."is nothing else but baloney, entirely out of touch.
@@szabicsapi7459 you're broadcasting the russian state propaganda, putin and his media are going out of their way to convince the rest of the world that the whole Russian population is in favour of him and his war while the reality is drastically different.
Too late, but here is a question: how do you explain the support for Putin’s war from Russians living in the West- it is real and mind boggling!
It is easy to support a despotic, corrupt and lying regime from the armchair within a western country with freedom of speech, fairly sensible laws and money in your pocket. Just like the “chateau generals” in WWI who had no skin in the game and caused significantly high death rates on the front lines. Too many people talk the talk, yet don't walk the walk.
They watch the same tv programs people in Russia watch. Nothing surprising. Many do not assimilate and don’t know English or any other language but Russian. 15 years ago my husband believed Russian government tv and then went to Russia and was shocked by the views 50 miles from Moscow and beyond...
Mikhail you are amazing, RESPECT!!!!!
I love the ending. This outlook seems consistent across the world.
Wow… I enjoyed this a lot, very interesting to understand many things more in detail.
And what do you now know?
Russia is a tragedy…a great culture…smart people, mathematics, literature, science, music, ballet…but just so dysfunctional in politics.
Well to be honest Mr Khordorkovsky could give an identical speech in Russia about gangsterism and corruption in the US.
@@MichaelKennedy-tr1xc no, they couldn't. Putin through proxies has his hands in everything. Does Bill Clinton or Trump? No. Trump has no stake in Mobil nor Amazon, thats the difference. All countries have problems, but it's possible to talk about it in places like USA.
Russia has always been a culture of political disaster. There have been opportunities since the development of capitalism for Russia to develop along with the rest of the world. Whenever there were potential moments of really possible change, the boyars (nobles) and the tsar would diverge; with the tsar always choosing to remain backwards.
Some say that Putin looks backward to the Romanovs, especially Alex III, for a way of running the empire.
@@meeeka think-you just need look back to 70/80s KGB Gestapo and Soviet Union Socialism
they are just fine in politics... Khodorosvky at the other hand is a corrupted man... Russians laugh at him.. lol
Since a few years I'm eating books about the Sovjet Union and Russia. And damn, what a complicated situation. Biggest problem imo is that the government and officials no longer allow the harsh but true history, make it better than it was or simply ignore it. As a result, it can never be learned from. Generations grow up with no or wrong knowledge of what their parents and ancestors went through. Which will make you see things like the Z more often in the future and the polarisation more understandable.
You're "eating books"?
I read that much, absorb it as food 🌚
Я тут наконец то прочитал 1984. Так вот это и есть нынешняя Россия (
This man is an absolute legend! Hope he lives a long and healthy life and sees his country transformed into a peaceful liberal democracy
He is a criminal oligarch who pludered Russia, just because he didnt get along with his criminal friends does not
make him a hero.
What man?
Legend??? Nah...not a legend, find other word, more suitable
I started watching out of the professional interest in the translator's work, but ended up with a positive impression of the meeting. By the way, as a Kazakh, the words of Mr. Khodorkovsky were very obvious to me. Slava to Ukraine / Alga Kazakhstan / Russia w/o Putin / God Save the ̶Q̶u̶e̶e̶n̶ King / God Bless America
Bless America ...Are you serious???
God destroy America
god save the king ? your new king has pedo as the comedian and brother as friend
GOD BLESS AMERICA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍
Your country is beautiful.
Thank you very much Mikhail for your time, insight and opinions.
As a Polish i wish to see Khodorkovsky as a new president of Russian Federation. That could help to start our states a new - better chapter in polish- russian relations. In our history we had 19 wars! With this man we could enjoy peace and prosperity. All the best !!!! Wsiewo choroszowo drug !!!!
You dont deciede Who Will be Russian president.
Don't be so a romantic Pole. It would be a great success if Western politicians took into account his knowledge, especially in the field of energy. I'm Pole too but practical.
He is a corrupt thief
@@masterblaster848 No, the British ruling class seem to think that is their role
@@pawerobak6655 Romanticism isn't all bad. Practicality isn't all good. Balance is always the best. Pozdrowienia.
I love the joke about the disappearance of Russian hackers, but doubt that the military has no computer capability…😂
They've all been drafted, they were last seen standing about in open fields looking miserable lol.
Actually, their cyber war in Ukraine has been a complete failure. Apparently, they were only good when Ukraine’s networks were totally unprotected. They learned their lesson, took common sense precautions and now the Russians aren’t able to do anything. The systems in the US that Russia hacked were running on 25+ year old Windows software that had more holes than Trump’s lies.
So the content of this great man was ......a joke. Well then there was more to be gained than nothing. There was a joke. So it is worth watching?
@@kennethkeen1234
He spoke more truth of Russia then Putin. He knows more faults with Putin then he has told so far.
@@kennethkeen1234 Bill Browder in Red Notice describes some of the methods that Khodorkovsky used to build his Yukos monopoly.
Excellent programme. Echo’s of Nelson Mandela. Briefly two aspects: First his analogy of a trapped rat and ‘friends’ is of vital consideration to mankind right now. Second his reference to the need for professionals to aid politicians is of absolute necessity.
Echoes of Nelson Mandela?! Mandela went to prison for most of his life for his convictions. This guy was a corrupt billionaire who just misjudged Putin and paid for it. He’s still a billionaire and he would still be in Moscow or St. Petersburg if that hadn’t happened. His insights are valuable, but he’s not a hero let alone a Mandela for giving us dirt (useful, valuable dirt) on someone he hates.
Yes, professionals not politicians.
Nelson Mandela is turning in his grave after that stupid comment.
@@supernova808 That's pretty interesting considering that he was a practicing attorney when, he was put on trial and jailed (for 27 yrs of his life). Hmm. Smh.
@@supernova808 R U for Real?
Are you not aware of the fact that his sham trial and lengthy prison stay was politically motivated? Having him in jail for so long for no reason other than politics only served to elevate him to near martyrdom status.
Mr. Khodorkovsky did it in very simple words. I hope the audience did understand importance of his speech.
Doctor Zilman, Pennsylvania.
PS. In my age of 38, in 1989, I exiled from Kiev and I finally got my New Life in USA 🇺🇸.
American Dr is worthless outside USA as we all know it is paid for not with dedication but with dirty dollars.
How can a doctor be so illiterate putting capital letters on adjectives and nouns in the middle of sentences?
"In the age of 38" is fine for yanks but it is incorrect, and especially so for a "dr" who claims to be saying something important - what exactly is important in what he says?
Nothing. All fake and bloated dreams of who they think they are with NO SUBSTANCE!
American is the core of evil in this world today.
Worst thing to do is to compromise.
Get rid of him once and for all.
That's what lots of people wanted to do to Kodo. Steal billions. Even worse. Kodo is lucky he is not still in prison
@@thomastaylor9586 I understand you have quite positive outlook on Khodorkovsky and I don't dispute - his dissident work was valuable. I would also nudge you other way, this guy stole from wrong people in Russia, nevertheless he was stealing. He started doing this once he overreached and dissident work is just way to legitimise his businesses in the west.
@@thomastaylor9586 putin, his family and entourage including the clown-pope Kirill have stolen trillions from Russia
@@ctx4241 you have no knowledge of what this guy had done for the Russian younger generation before he was imprisoned. My academically competitive students enjoyed their chance to study abroad: high school and higher education institution in the exchange program Emerge Managers. Khodorkovsky and Nemtsov sponsored them. Alas Khodorkovsky was arrested and taken to prison for 10 years and Nemtsov was killed as a present for Putin's birthday just a 100 meters from the Kremlin.
I wonder what will be Putin’s birthday present this year. May he get everything he deserves. What do you think he deserves you ask? I think the same as what you think.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Magnificent conversation
Rarely have I listened to such a brilliant interpreter, her translations are astonishingly accurate. I'm jealous.
The interpreter receives more accolades than the famous man.
praise be to the interpreter .... The interpreter is EXTREMELY good , and has a very nice style and pronunciation ... ( even though Khodorkovsy is speaking slowly and clearly ,in any case ... )
Yes - you point to the most important point made in this event -
fantastic, I just think that guy is a hero.
hero, intellectual, freedom fighter 😂😂😂
Clearly you are qualified to say that.
He’s so lucky to still be alive
dead or alive Russians just don,t care.... this man is a corrupted man... Russia don't need him or Navalny.. both sold to the West/US
So is Liz the blitch TRuss.
Even back when Khordorkovsky was an oligarch, there was something about his facial expressions that made him seem more warm and relatable - I think maybe he just cracks a smile more, & seems to have more charm than the average Russian leader.
Yes he robbed his Country with a smile on his face, the perfect Gangster.
@@rosreaviemore727 haha exactly ...all sociopaths are very smart and can charm you in a seconf
@@supernova808 -Wow! You can't be a Russian Jew? Russia eve has a Jewish Autonomous Oblast - right?
You are right, he is as charming as Al Capone.
Thank you for spending the time to create and share this content 🙏🏾
They did it all for our good. SO kind and benevolent. No one gained through this process. Even the nazis love this guy so he must be good.
Excellent talk thank you. Presenter, speakers and translator all very good.
He's a patriot, and she's an excellent translator. I envy her ability to so quickly translate what I find to be a very difficult language!
He‘s a corrupt traitor
Putin is a patriot and a true Russian. You are a man or a woman or something between - thankfully Mr Putin is ridding Russia of all that weird stuff from SanFransicko...
Looks to me like native english speakers don't know their language very well..
People in Russia know better who he is, believe me
Very well spoken straight to the point common sense in moderation and wisdom thank you
Another blitch who could not repeat what the man said........
@@kennethkeen1234 I know right? Totally agree with you :)
Excellent translator, thank you.
Michael Sixsmith is an extraordinary and insightful man.
Thankyou to Mikhail (and his brilliant and adept translator ) for this revealing of the Russian system and the recent history.
Thank you for the truth, and the Chairman's unerring instinct in exposing it. Khodorkovky's historical truth, which in the telling of it requires suicidal courage. His translator's truth, conveyed to us with breathtakingly nimble accuracy. Sixmith's truth, which he told us like Cassandra long ago. And yet: Martin's truth was told in the libretto for an opera. There will be a million more artists, hisorians, philosophers telling that truth, right into eternity,: a truth which even Putin cannot silence.
So what is the truth? Putin is an honest man who can be trusted to keep his word. The scum in the west just want the money.
Three cheers for the Russian Speaker Mikhail! a great man indeed,he has suffered much in those ten years, and knows what he is talking about.
So what is he talking about? Did you once spare the one minute to listen to what Mr Putin said as he ordered the military intervention in Ukraine? No the BBC refused to explain the other side. It kept a one sided view for all the mugs who think that BBC is the truth. Even the title of this piece should be enough to tell the viewer that what is coming is NOT the truth and is ONE sided. I AM THE TRUTH.
Both were impressive, in fact all three were. The Chairman was, unlike some, not intrusive and did just what she should. Full marks all round. Khordakhovski seemed to be an open and likably decent man, perhaps if Russia can produce the likes of him then maybe there is more than only "shades of awful" to look forward to once Putin is history, preferably "disappeared"? The sooner, the better.
I think he's got it about right with his thought that it'll take a generation to be free of the present mindset in greater Russia - a Russia that sees the West as an ally rather than an ideological foe.
Here's a stretch - a Russia invited to be inside NATO might make China rethink its warlike relations with the Western bloc?
We are a long ways from that, but I totally agree that this would be a most desirable future under a thoroughly politically reorganized Russia one day.
Oh, how right he is to admit that he wanted his home country to become better. Moreover in his time he did his best. And my students are really thankful to him personally. I heard that.
He wants improvement. OK Good. And that is it? No gain for himself. Just for others? Whao. He is almost jesus.
Agree. The translator is beyond excellent. A good discussion.
Lucy has the core. The language was chosen as Lucy's central point. Nothing was said. But the translation was perfect.
I thoroughly enjoyed that. I have found Vlad Vexler, Inside Russia and Anna From Ukraine and they all have me drinking in every word like listening to your favourite teacher.
I missed this when it was current, but this man's words are worth a listen. Thanks for this.
Wow wow wow thank u sooooooooooooo much for this. Very encouraging, inspiring and gives hope during such a seemingly hopeless time we live in now.
I was talking to a Russian acquaintance recently, touching on that "support" thing. Kinda explaining to me, he said (heavily paraphrased): _"You Western Europeans have it good, but you've let the American polarization get to you. Everything must be binary. 1s or 0s. With me or my enemy. So when you hear '30% say they're against the war', you conclude 'then this means 70% support the war'. But in reality, when asked, 50% say either 'f*ck off leave me alone', or they say nothing. And you can probably do the math on the rest."_
He also pointed out that while it is only speculation, when considering the context, when people people are insisting on _not_ answering such a question - in many cases that might be because telling the truth or being a bad liar, could get them in trouble. And considering that context again; there's only really one of those two options that could get them in trouble. Or at least lead them to think that.
I think most Americans and Europeans do know this already, but thank you for your attempt at enlightening us all.
PrUxZen has the FIRST comment which actually begins to discuss the CONTENTS, while all the pretty ladies above were so excited to see an interpreter who interprets - just shows how relevant the Russian defector's are to us.
The openness & exposure of the brutal truths, is admirable.
Thank you for sharing. Excellent discussion.
Now in Russia, they praise the Lada (Russian car from Togliatti) as some sort of "revolutionary and anti-West", because it has no longer a airbag and ABS system.
При чем некоторые эти лады покупают за гробовые!
Comforting to know, theres this guy who can still show a public image of a Russian who is still a person of goodwill
He is just another Gangster who got caught.
@@rosreaviemore727 oi, so many Kremlin bots here
@@rosreaviemore727 Exactly. Westerners have become embarrassingly naive. His insights are valuable, but he’s STILL a billionaire whose money came from robbing Russians. Someone above literally said “echoes of Mandela.” 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@frusia123 If they said he was lying, I’d agree, but he only and rightly pointed out this guy was a gangster who crossed the wrong person.
@@rosreaviemore727 disgusting comment of yours
Russian sounds like such an intellectual and educated language. It was a pleasure to listen to it!
Yes, his jacket was interesting and the woman held her hands in such a way that one could write pages about that. The light in the background was fantastic and the camera man did his job so well. The sound levels were up to standard and BBC can always be relied on getting things just right so that the CONTENT is irrelevant as you have all confirmed.
Kudos to everyone that spoke. Mr. Sixsmith made some very good points and I was very pleased he was part of this discussion. Mr. Khodorkovsky has a fantastic translator but he seems like such an earnest speaker that I wish I knew enough Russian that I could understand him without an intermediary. Perhaps it's time to use one of those online learning services.
The translator lady is sharper minded at that age than I am now. Hats off.
She's barely 60
@@curiositycloset2359 it's all relative. A 25 year old seems ancient to a teenager.
@@alertbri Just odd that they would think anyone before actual old age would be less sharp. May have forgotten more things than the whippersnappers have learnt, but far from decline.
juvenile remark
Best discussion I’ve seen since the war started. No wonder the Putin trolls were awakened.
You're the kind of dolt that was calling people protesting the Iraq War "Saddamists". You lot never learn.
Yeh so many around
Really excellent, great insights.
So whoever does not agree with the mainstream western approach, which btw continously risks nuclear war with Russia, is a Putin troll. As simple as that. What will be the next stage: they will be outclassed, labelled as traitors, while we victoriously marching towards the nuclear catastrophe?
Rather a troll that giving stage to a corrupt criminal and praising him as a hero.
Came for the discussion, stayed for the translator
Great interview. Thanks. Except for when in Q&A moderator took several questions together. It may save time but invariably it ends up with confusion.
Excellent interview subjects and excellent translation!
Yes, but did he say anything of relevance? One sound-bite? Nothing? How sad......
Wow!! Really amazing talk!!!
Thank you Mister. Very interesting. Thankyou all
An excellent and insightful interview,. All the questions were on point, combined with refreshingly considered and thought provoking answers from Mikhail and Martin. I truly hope that Mikhail lives to see Russia progress or even achieve a parliamentary democracy and more important be able to return to Russia.
Now at last we get a little light - no mention of the woman who played such a huge part in this work. What did he say?
You dont know anything about this b*stard and who he really is. Also parliamentary republics are inherently flawed and produce little to no results in terms of actually developing a country.
😮were informative , intelligent talking. I especially impressed thar Chodarkovsky mentioned not ones about importance of supplying enough weapons to Ukraine. Hopefully from whom it depends was not only listening, but heard him
The young man asking if Khodorkovsky is only an opportunist is a good one. Much credit to Khodorkovsky, but he only challenged Putin because he was the most powerful oligarch and thought he could win! Khodorkovsky came to wealth easily and used all means to enrichen himself in Wild West Russia. The romantic story proposed by Martin Sixsmith is just too much, and putting the young man in his place was tasteless.
So we come to some content. Aha. Someone - clearly not from the UK - has something to say about the CONTENT!!!!
HOW MANY COMMENTS HAVE I COMMENTED ON SO FAR?? And finally find a German who is willing to discuss the CONTENT of this "interview". Well done Klaus. Sehr sehr gut. Aber nicht genug! Weiter machen! There are many like myself who did not waste their time watching a propaganda show organised by the BBC, but instead looked to the comments for insights. And it is in someway critical - good. We must NEVER accept things without taking a stance of neutrality and objectiveness - that is what I was taught in one of the educational institutions I spent no less than 40 years of my life at.
And I had claimed that a UK education was second to none - well that was last century. It took a German to BEGIN to unravel this nonsense propaganda show which has the audacity to attack Mr Putin the sworn destroyer of nazi trash in Ukraine.
Thankyou 🙏 just Thankyou🙏
Is the guy who asked the opportunist question a model?
Why has Khodorkovsky stopped giving interviews in English for God's sake? I remember him being completely fluent in the language...
Maybe he hopes Russian speaking people will listen as well?
@@MA-fg5hz I do agree with guardian angel but then I read your comment. And you make an excellent point. 🕊 🦢🕊
@@MA-fg5hz Well, that sounds logical but there's a catch... The majority of his interviews in Western media use a simultaneous voice-over translation to English, so you can hardly hear him speak in Russian. If I had to guess, I'd go in another direction. Maybe he feels insecure about his English and doesn't want to risk looking for words or being misunderstood about such an important topic.
May be in the hope Russians might be listing to this interview….?
He is, he's trying to portrayed himself as a humble and hard working man of the people.
Excellent program, wish Mr Mikhael will be successful for His wish for his country Russia
You call him Mikhail now?? 😂😂😂
... And we should all listen and act upon what Mikhail Khodorkovsky is saying... Please!
Otherwise we're doomed!
Cheers from Portugal.
What I don’t get it is, if Putin is such a inclement guy, and I concede he is, how is this guy still alive today?
One of the most interesting, informative and inspiring 90 minutes of my long life. Agree so much with Mikhail and his opinion - the generation of change is coming. Very interesting speaker, glad to have enjoyed his insights regarding Russia.
Very informative interview and excellent translator especially off the cuff.
Informed about what? What do you now know?
Thank you. Great to watch.
That's it, that's the key right there when he says in English, "political substance" referring to the surrounding autonomous regions.
Jesus, you did it - a summary in one sentence. Fantastic. That is the core of the whole talk. Well yanks are not useless after all. We can now understand what the man wanted to say. Sure buddy. Close, but don't be stingy on your words - aha - you are rushing out to get more drugs - I understand.
Such a good translator