10 Times Star Trek Rewarded Audiences For Sticking With It
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- From The Next Generation to Discovery and Picard, Star Trek knows how to reward its fans.
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I always liked how Trials and Tribblations treated the tech/aesthetic differences between TOS and DS9. They didn’t redress sets or update things to be more contemporary, they just went with “this is how this era was” and wrote a fun story around it.
I also loved how they acknowledged how different the way the Klingons looked in TOS. Yes, they did not have an answer yet, but I love Worf's uncomfortable look when the waitress is pointing out the Klingons around the bar and knowing that the question was coming.
@@melabec I'm glad De and Jimmy both got to be in "TNG" episodes (and Jimmy in "Generations") before they died. Shatner wasn't so bad here either.
well yeah they weren't allowed to. they were under strict orders by the people who owned the star trek archives not to change anything. however they were allowed to remaster the series.
source: voyager DVD bonus features from 2009
@@melabec *"We do not discuss it with outsiders."*
That is all the explanation required.
EXACTLY!
I have to tell this story. My mother, who is no longer with us, loved James Kirk. She loved him so much that she bought me some star trek posters just so she could swipe the James T Kirk poster. When Star Trek Generations came out, I took her to see the movie. After the movie ended we left the theater. My mom was very quiet as we walked to my car. Unable to stand it any longer I asked her what she thought of the movie. In a very grumbly tone she declared "They killed the wrong Captain."
Aw. Nobody will ever understand how hard it was for us original Trekkies. Back then, TOS was the first and only show of its kind. (Television hadn't even been invented/available for many years, and color was just becoming available. And we only had THREE networks to choose from.) With an alien who didn't want to kill us, conquer us, eat us. With so many Human problems (hunger, poverty) solved, now ready to explore an amazing universe. We fell in love with those original characters. They WERE ST to us.
@Drew Taylor I hafta say. That's the most clever thing I've ever seen about this movie. That literally makes me hate it a tiny bit less. (And why the heck had I never thought of that before? I mean, it's been almost 30 years! )
My aunt was such a huge fan of star trek, she found a really weird dude in college who was pretty much without emotions.. She married him in the early 80s SPECIFICALLY because "he reminded her of Spock"... They're still married to this day. 😂
Seeing Terry Farrel in an original series uniform made the whole Star Trek franchise worth it!
Very much so 🙂
"... and women wore less!" 😏
@@stefanmisch5272 ?.... Terry Farrel is a woman
@@nigelwest3430 It's a line Dax says when she's walking out in her TOS-era uniform.
@@MishraArtificer Ok, I bow to your superior knowledge 🙂
Won't Lie, Seeing Bashir And O'Brien Flawlessly Put Into Kirk's Arse-grilling Lineup Following The Bar Fight Scene,
That Was Even Better Than The "I Gotta Pee" Scene In Forrest Gump.
Personally, I think "In The Pale Moonlight" deserves a mention. You really needed to have watched Sisko's moral struggles throughout the Dominion War, see his desperation to find a way to win, with the payoff going completely against expectations and him saying that he can live with his (dark) choices.
Ok, what some people tend to misunderstand is that Picard didnt send Yar in the alternate timeline to the Enterprise C, he approved Yar's decision for transfer, It was Tasha's choice and Picard approved, big ddifference between being ordered and accepting a request
I agree, she WANTED to go because of that wonderful scene between her Guinan. Where Guinan tells her that her death was a senseless one (and it was, most believe done out of spite cause Denise wanting to leave). It was an on screen portrayal of how the fans felt about her death, as much the writers apologizing for being so insensitive.
Exactly it was her choice and her request completely.
Yeah after Yar talked to Guynan (probably not how you spell it lol) she decided that she was the out of place person so she decided to go.
The rage and hate in Picard’s voice during his monologue at Lily was the most memorable part for me. He was not in control for the first time and it was truly a humanizing moment.
After all, someone had to draw the line
This far! No Further!
Yeah he smashed the display case and really losed his composure.
@@briandoyle3507 it was awesome. Very cathartic.
@@briandoyle3507 lost
No. 1: Trials and Tribble-lations. Absolute fan service episode. When my daughter was 7 years old, she was watching DS9 episodically with me, and one Saturday afternoon we got to this episode. At the point where Sisko and Dax are scanning the tribbles for the bomb and it pans out for the commercial break, my daughter in the most serious tone possible yelled at Dax "It's the big fuzzy one in the middle!"
This, here, warms my heart. Hearing about a youngster growing up on (the good) Trek the same way I did. A love passed down from my father to me, much like from yourself to your daughter. It's beautiful. It's so nice to see that Trek truly is timeless
@@batmanjones655 It's ALL 'good'!
@@DMSProduktions
Let's agree to disagree on this one, though 🖖🏻!
@@jean-mi1825 LOL! No.
I’m not surprised that this was number 1 on this list. I loved it! There’s just some episodes you immediately recognize just by the title. You don’t even need the clips or a description. I love how they were able to make it look like the DS9 characters were in the TOS episode. Again, loved it!
I remember seeing first contact and hearing Picard say "and I will make them pay for what they have done" and getting chills at finally seeing a glimmer Picards darkside. especially the emphasis on "I"
The funny thing is in the episode "I, Borg" he had the opportunity to make them pay but he didn't.
@@Rockhound6165 true. I wonder if (in cannon) he was at the repressing things phase or if because there was only one borg drone he was able to suppress his (for want a better way to phrase it" bloodthirst.
Well it is possible to make a decision to be the better man and when that decision bites you in the ass, as it clearly did here, your regret turns vengeful.
As for the Borg in Enterprise: it opens up a new wrinkle into Q's character: he didn't just randomly introduce Starfleet to the Borg, gaining their interest to have them come to the Alpha quadrant.
It means that they were already on the way, the Federation wasn't prepared, and Q knew it.
This means that Q was actually acting as a hero to prepare us for the coming threat.
I THINK this is actually addressed pretty much this way in the books. And Q’s reasoning was apparently exactly what you said.
He also killed some crew members in their first meeting. Not a great guy, really.
That was before they established Earth being on the Beta Quadrant, wasn't it.
@@GabePuratekuta earth was in the alpha quadrant sector 001
You just realized that? He said as much during the episode.
"Oh. Well, you may not trust me, but you do need me. You're not prepared for what awaits you.
Capt. Picard : How can we be prepared for that which we do not know? But I do know that we are ready to encounter it.
You judge yourselves against the pitiful adversaries you've encountered so far - the Romulans, the Klingons. They're nothing compared to what's waiting. Picard - you are about to move into areas of the galaxy containing wonders more incredible than you can possibly imagine - and terrors to freeze your soul."
Q had somehow already taken a liking to Picard (maybe some sort of time bending thing as they don't live through time the way we do supposedly) but he was there to help. It was weird how he was helping though! LOL
First Contact has always been my favorite Trek movie. So much so that I walked down the aisle to the title theme.
I don't blame you: it's a fantastic tune.
The intro to Star Trek: First Contact is still my favourite ever... The soundtrack is just genius.
I had to go dig it up here on CZcams. It's still fantastic, over 25 years later.
...and I saw it in theaters before it left. Damn, I'm old...
For me "The Motion Picture" is more related to 2001 than Star Wars. And I think it's actually a good thing because if it had been more action then Star Trek wouldn't have been different from Star Wars.
Me too- I love that movie!
I just realised that a few moments ago too.
Agreed! One has to be patient to eventually appreciate it.
2001? HOW?
Lousy movie, lousy script, not really feel like Trek. Beautiful imagery and effects, but that is all. Nailed it in 2. That was Trek, in spades. Long live Khan. 🖖
Star Trek has had its ups and downs throughout its history. I feel that overall this has been a great franchise, and that the good parts outweigh the the bad parts. I've been a Star Trek fan since the 70s when the original series was syndicated. I will definitely keep going.
Everyone doesn't just want a hug from Riker, everyone NEEDS a hug from Riker
thats nice oh seven ... lol
What I need is the Titan.
Okay, I was around 30 when Next Gen started, and I can guarantee you that there were no Star Trek fans that had never seen the original series. NONE. TOS had been playing in reruns for nearly two decades by then. If you were too young to have seen it in its first run, you had spent afternoons after school watching it. If you were into ST at all, you knew TOS. There simply wasn't any way to avoid it if you were a science fiction fan.
Actually im a big Trek fan and i cant do the TOS the look is so dated its due to the film style coloring etc . so while the reboot movies helped it still is just rough in look to me for some reason .
While I did catch the occasional TOS episode in syndication, for the most part I grew up on the films
I grew up on TNG, and it wasn't until later on that I learned there was another series, so you are wrong.
I was born in 1998 and weirdly enough for my age grew up with TOS because my dad showed it to me. And I learned to appreciate TNG. But my heart belongs to TOS.
It's the same for me. I was born in '99 and my first contact with star trek was TOS as well.
I love all the references in Lower Decks, even the giant Spock skeleton referencing The Infinite Vulcan.
My favorite line was, "call me Jim".
Re-watching (umpteenth time) TNG. Am on season 5 and the best thing I can say about season 3 is that Dr Crusher is back and that "other Dr" was short lived.
dr polaski
@@j-bob_oreo Yea. I know. Just trying to forget that she had a better send off on LA Law. :-)
I can remember seeing the design for the Enterprise D and hating it. I think I missed the first 5 episodes before I actually sat down and watched it! I love it now!
" Picard" is just a bored man in outer space. " Hey , Riker, ........remember me?, Jean -Luc, why your old captain !!".
" Oh no,.....hes back!!, .......lock the door Deana, that old guy is back !!."
You love the "D" now, eh? SORRY, I couldn't resist that pun, I'll see myself out.
Lower Decks is an absolute blast to watch. Yes, Star Trek has had their silly episodes every now and again (Take Me Out to the Holosuite and such) but I haven't had so much fun watching Star Trek before. It's such a refreshing series that knows it's absurd and just runs with it.
i think the only they they missed was Q and his evolving character throughout Star Trek
Can't really argue with these picks, BUT definitely think Prodigy's Kobayashi deserves an honourable mention
Lower Decks was a big surprise for me. After the trailer i thought it would be shit, watched episode 1 and was more or less convinced my thoughts after the trailer were right.
Episode 2 was great and it got better and better. Love the show.
I felt the same way you did. This would not be a good show. I watched the first episode, I didn't like it, and I haven't seen any more. After seeing what you wrote here I might give it another chance. I hope it gets better as you say it does.
Same, my only issue is to much focus on Mariner, less attention paid to the other cast & the "O'Brien must suffer" snitchk that happens to Bolimer all the time, give the dude a break and send Beckett Mariner to counseling
The first season tried too hard to be funny - it's calmed down in season 2 and I'm loving it!
@@JohnnyWednesday I'm the opposite way, I enjoyed 1st season but got highly annoyed with season 2
@@robertszekely8686 Cannon . the writting is top level . and it easily take its own spot in the trek series .
Other than all the in-jokes on Trials and Tribble-ations (Lucsly and Dulmur from Temporal Investigations !) , one thing that magnificently made it work was finding Charlie Brill to play the older Arne Darvin (spotted at a lunch counter while they were talking about the script - - can't get much more Hollywood than that!)
"Frakes is everyone's dad".... Given how horny Riker was in TNG, it's likely he IS everyone's dad
they still havent found a cure for KHG / Kirk Herpes Galacticus ?
The Miles O'brien bit they did in Lower decks was probably my favorite thing I've ever seen on a TV.
Naw, Pathfinder isn't like a lost TNG episode - I mean, Troi has a clear role throughout the episode and directly applies her skills with direction and purpose. That *never* happened with a TNG script. ;)
I loved the part where Picard follows Kirk into the bedroom/barn and Picard says, "This is not your bedroom."
Nepenthe won me over by having Troi and Riker together. But it was made all the more extraordinary when the name Kestra was first spoken on-screen. I was done. Wonderful.
I love Enterprise, Voyager and DS9 before the original and TNG. Discovery and Picard are still in the air....
I think the reason why Troi works so well in Picard is that they let her real personality let loose.
She always had the ability but they wrote badly for her for the most part. It's like back then they didn't have the ability to write for women.
Love your pick for no.1
But remember we do not discuss it with outsiders
"And the lows"
Threshold: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yes Threshold. You are.
Damn it, just let me forget! >
Maybe it's low hanging fruit or something, but I was genuinely surprised Threshold wasn't mentioned when brining up Voyagers low points.
"Regeneration" also explains why the Borg were tearing up the Neutral Zone in the TNG S1 Finale. If people recall, they retroactively made those missing outposts the fault of the Borg come "Q Who?", when Data remarked that the damage on J25 matched that of those missing outposts.
How about doing a list about the best season 1's in Star Trek, that would make for some interesting discussion.
Ds9. It still has its rough spots but as far as season ones go, it's the best
I'd go...
1. ToS
2. Lower Decks
3. Discovery
4. TAS
5. Picard
6. DS9
7. Voyager
8. TNG
Haven't started Prodigy yet.
Bear with me. Back in the 90s rave scene in England I use to say to my dad listen to this, it's amazing, dad said "I heard that originally in the 60s." I so get the throw backs to classic Star Trek now in newer shows because people tell me about certain episodes and I'm like "I remember watching that episode in the 80s".
The fact that Picard was a background actor in his own show?
uh not that i saw .
Hey, you mentioned NBs! Thanks! It's nice to see someone remember we exist!
"My enbies..."
Thank you Sean.
I liked the way Yar died in "Skin of Evil." She went out like a red shirt, and her death wasn't the resolution to the episode. Also, I could have sworn Sela shows up at the end of "The Mind's Eye." And "Lower Decks" (the TNG episode) was a reward because of its tie-in to "The First Order." We also had Star Trek novels between the cancellation of the original series (which was in syndication) and the first movie.
I never saw Yar's original death as "meaningless." She died trying to save the life of her friend--Troi. Sure she didn't save the day, but that doesn't delete the fact she was there trying. The one who gets a "meaningless" death is Garrett, who gets robbed of her great contribution to the Federation. We have so few women captains, I always regreted Garrett being yet another in a long line of folks dying with something stuck in their foreheads (which was a trend for a while there in TNG) instead of the great unifier for the Federation/Klingons.
I disagree with the concept that 'the teeth were taken from the borg'. I think Voyager made it so the federation grown their own teeth instead.
I can definitely agree with that, though I think I do agree with Sean that they were a little overused in Voyager. It was a bit disappointing for me when the series finale featured the Borg when the season 6/7 crossover had just done the same thing. Personally, I would love to have seen a return to "Caretaker", in the same way that TNG made a return to "Encounter at Farpoint".
Why just the teeth an not the whole skull?
Trials and Tribulations was the best.
I really like that voyager episode that showed tuvok's life, and showed him working for captain Sulu. I didn't even watched the original series but I was like "THATS SULU! HE BECAME A CAPTAIN? OH MY GOD TUVOK IS SO OLD"
Discovery is not that you do not want to watch. But more as the fact you have to pay to watch!
10:18 but you got to admit, the last season of Picard was like a TNG reunion
Sean, your t shirt just wins. It’s so good that I am praising something from Star Trek V. Also you did an incredible job on Trek for Ukraine
I've always enjoyed Undiscovered Country as an excellent film that concludes the original series movies. It's my go-to movie. :-D
This movie had two good moments there at the end. The first one is when Spock tells Admiral Cartwright to “arrest yourself” and shows up with Valeris in tow; Cartwright knows the gig is up. The second is when the Klingon woman (I forgot the name) tells Kirk, “You’ve restored my faith in humanity”, and Kirk tells her, “and you’ve restored my son’s.”
@@williamsquires3070 couldn’t agree more!
Sisko didn't just meet Kirk in his prime, he actually shook hands with him, didn't he?
I think this video in particular highlights your ability to balance fandom and scholarship. Keep it up.
The thing about Picard is he was already pretty damaged by the time of the borg. He did have an artificial heart from getting stabbed through the chest. Then all of the loss he suffered during his tenure as a captain.
That Picard/Kirk scene had me crying a little first time I saw them together !
Picard was a combination of alot of good ideas with next to no direction and a dreadful plot. For example, a possible origin story for the borg: Good idea! The romulan star explosion event and the evacuation story and how it changed the alpha quadrant (and spawned the abrahmsverse) Good idea! Picking up the loose thread of data's death and possible survival in B4 and how his greatest fear of an enslaved android race being created in the federation came to fruition, Good idea! Brining back jeri ryan as the nexus point and subsequent second lead character in the story, Excellent idea! Giving stewart total creative control and then attempting to cobble all of these ideas together in one season with no expectations of there being a season 2 let alone three and thus having no room for flow or natural story progression as in past ST series? A dreadful horrible decision.
And when First Contact came out, Trek fans were pissed that the Borg were an ant hill by introducing the Borg Queen, now fans love it
In Trials and Tribulations my favorite part is when they asked Worf “why did Klingons look like that?” Worf: We don’t talk about that 😂😂
That's a good one but the scene that always makes me laugh is at the end when Quark has the Tribble on his head and the look on his face
Denise is up for it! She said so at Pensacon!
Just about anything involving the Borg seems more like a punishment to me. As does any series restricted to Paramount's entry into streaming services.
Lower Decks is amazing and easily the most fun trek to watch
Can we get a video dedicated to Phase II ?
Season 3 of Picard is the best love letter to fans of TNG.
Star Trek never lets you down, it just has planned low points so it can come back and smack you in the face with greatness. Kinda like when your football team has a rebuilding year. At least that's how I choose to remember it...😁
the borg in Enterprise's episode Regeneration were -- according to fan theory -- left over borg from the First Contact movie borg that crash landed while escaping Picard and the Enterprise - E
That's not fan theory, it's literally the premise presented on screen.
And now there is Picard Season 3. I didn't much care for the first two seasons, but this one is a loveletter to the TNG Era, with characters and plot points from all the shows around late 90's.
1:13 I was at a Trek convention in the 90's that had the big three: Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley. I remember thinking that D. Kelley seemed like such a nice guy. I didn't interact with him, but he spoke with such passion and compassion, I couldn't help but notice. (I sometimes wonder if anyone had a camcorder...I would like to see that convention again.)
As an aside, I think one of the big reasons we look so fondly upon TNG is the fact that so many of us grew up with it. It was our first Star Trek. And there's good reason for the 3rd season being when it got good. It was when it finally started to break away from the meddling of Gene Roddenberry. Don't get me wrong, the man had some great ideas and we wouldn't have TNG without him. However, he was lacking as a leader.
But another spot where TNG thrived was character development. TOS would rarely develop the characters meaningfully, focussing on the mission at hand. TNG was pretty much the same in season 1, but began to expand in season 2.
There are many other things that TNG gave us, but I think most are well understood. It inspired the next generation of humanity to be curious, learn, adapt, and discover.
Let's go boldly.
Regeneration = so much yes. Loved the tie together.
I was a huge TNG fan. And loved the movies. I never really appreciated First Contact until after I came home from my first combat tour and actually got to know my grandpa and his experience as a POW in Japan. I only watched First Contact once after he passed. And I don’t know if I can ever bring myself to watch it again. “The line must be drawn HERE! And I, will make them pay, for what they have done!!!!” I don’t hate the Japanese and neither did Grandpa. He was able to let his feelings go. But that line. And how I could see Grandpa in Stewart. Really hits me like a brick.
Nepenthe's (and in Voy) is the counselor that should had been in all TNG! It was the only time I really really liked Troi.
Honestly, I think Troi was better on Voyager and Nepenthe than on TNG too, especially before Jellico made her start wearing a uniform again.
NEPENTHE was actually my favorite episode of season 1. Or, one of my favorites. It was a nice way to take a break and catch the breath from the momentum of the previous and following episodes.
I watched this 1 year after. I wish it were done after STPS3. It was a for sure reward for long time watchers, in an epic way.
Absolutely brilliant insights.. watching ST since the early seventies and you guys expand my experience even more.. appreciating the Franchise even more...
"My NBs." Watched not a second more after that!
Just watched Picard S.1 and you wanna talk about rewarded for sticking with it!
Heart still recovering, especially from that finale.
My favorite line from Generations is when Kirk and Picard are on horseback and Kirk tells Picard “Who am I to argue with the captain of the Enterprise?” That’s what really really really made me come to grips with the fact that TNG was the new flagship show. And it made me realize that I’d pretty much seen the last ride of James Kirk and his crew.
Sean, so much love for the fact you acknowledged the enbies! 🤗❤️
This has been a great episode Sean. I think it's the best i've seen yet. Good job!
My mother has a bumper sticker THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS and when i read those 4 words i always hear Patrick Stewards voice.
Anyone else having to turn the volume up so high to hear this that your system sounds are super loud? Just me?
It is understatement to say “Thank You, but nonetheless’Thank You’
For this fine compilation. May you be free of any “Tribulations” !
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The Motion Picture was my first cinema experience and as a child got confused where the series ended and the movies started then they were repeating the original series a lot on TV and really got into it after
Holy crap... thank you for giving me a reason to go back and watch Enterprise again!!! I just realized how much of that show has paid off now!!! THANK YOU!
Edit: Since this video, Strange New Worlds....glorious! Picard helped bring a friend into the Trek story, Lower Decks has been awesome....just, SO MUCH GREAT TREK!!!!!!!!!!
8:07 I saw both these movies opening weekend in the theaters when they came out and they were both huge successes to us of the time period. I saw the original Star Wars in the theater as it was named when it first came out and it was great. I didn't have as much of a connection as Trek gave me. I wanted to be Spock more than I wanted to be Luke or Han.
The 1st time I know about the Star trek the animated series was in the transit lounge at Honolulu airport on my 1st trip to the west coast USA in the early 80'S took me three years to finally brought the dvd set
Deforest Kelley: Dammit Jim, I’m a doctor not a critic.
12:12 Don’t forget his grilling in ‘The Drumhead’.
Considering that just over 9 months had passed since that happened (stardate 44001.4 to 44769.2, according to Memory Alpha), it's a testament to Picard’s strength that he didn't break down.
Trials and Tribble-ations is, by far, my favourite DS9 episode.
Truth be told, it is also my favourite TOS episode.
Hi Sir Sean.. How about a episode about the best/famous/impressive Star Trek Cities? Just an idea... LOL
With every new series the producers were singing
'All we are saying, give Trek a chance'
And, nowadays, we sing back
"Then give us Trek"
1:25
George Takei...not same same same?
Didn't play Sulu for a NextGen-era cast until Voyager?
lovely episode man. thanks
In Pathfinder, I have mentioned this in other CZcams videos, Robert Duncan McNeill should have improved and blurted out, "I love you, Dad, and I miss you very much."
Comment for the YT Continuum. Love what you all do! Thank you!
Generations: I enjoyed the horse riding sequence best. Especially since both actors actually know how to ride.
In my opinion the Borg lost their teeth when they took Picard and then they just like, went on the cube and were like "oh there he is" and brought him back
I'm making my way through Star Trek Next Generation, brilliant series. Star Trek Voyager is on my watch list as well. So looking forward to it.
Well, we're dressing informally, aren't we?
"Regeneration" was anxiety-inducing! It wasn't till the second borg was reviled that I noticed what they dug up and very quickly realized how they got there.
From that time I was waiting for the jump scare!
I think the biggest factor was how good the cast was. They made it happen.
I loved The Motion Picture as a kid. Now I look back and yeah it was pretty boring but still had some cool parts. I didn't like Khan as a kid but now I love it.
I remember being freaked out by the ear creature when I was younger, which colored my perception of the whole movie for a long time.