A Look Back and a Look Forward as Coyotes Release New Renderings
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The Coyotes are always like that friend who just needs sleep on your couch for just a little bit longer...
I’m a Yotes fan and this is hilarious
The Alan Harper of NHL teams😂
BAHHH BAHHH
Would have never expected THG to make a New Vegas reference lol
Arizona is state and Phoenix is a city filled with transplants from other US cities. That's why opposing fans take over their arena.
Denver is similar in the sheer number of transplants… but the Avalanche had early success and built up a large and passionate fan base… and even then, when Boston, NYR, Detroit come into town, feels like a third of the arena is away fans.
I think if someone leaves their shitty city for a better one they should take up the local team
@@FalloutUrMum doesn’t work that way, sadly.
@@FalloutUrMumWhy? Because you said so? Doesn’t work that way, pal. What you think is shitty someone else thinks of is great.
@@prestondobber That's how it is at Canes games when those teams play. They love their big cities so much, yet they decided to move.
For those that want to point out that the Coyotes are at the Cap floor and can’t afford star players, you’re right and they shouldn’t. It doesn’t make sense to get a McDavid or Matthews with this roster, you are just wasting money. Better to build your hockey operations. Draft lots a prospects and develop them properly and when they are reaching their full potential then you spend the money on the roster. Hitting the Cap ceiling should be the indication that you are making a Cup run, if you are not there then you need some Cap room to make those trades, to pick up those free agents needed to make that run. The Coyotes are finally dong the rebuild properly for a cup contender, not hobbled trying to just get to the playoffs. The Arena is the last piece needed for rebuild of the Coyotes.
I wish you had hit on them not moving to the Los Arcos arena site in Scottsdale in 2003. Ellman is the one who decided to pull out from that and go to Glendale. That is the one decision that caused the rest of the fall-out you described.
Hopefully the coyotes can find a new home, Let's go coyotes!
In Utah or Houston
@@JohnnyReno71 I wish
Salt Lake City 2024 -25
I just hope that this whole saga is over, for the coyotes and their fans (yes they have fans) sake’s.
Both of them will be relieved.
@@smithryansmith I'm sure both of them would like to see them become an NHL team some day too. Ha!
For their games only 4500
It was 2012 when the coyotes went to the conference finals
Where they lost to the Kings who won the Stanley Cup
The conference final run was in 2012! (Not to be that guy) 📝
Go ahead. Be that guy. Every appearance in a Conference Final should be remembered.
I just got to that part, i was like... i went to game 5. 2010 and 2011 is when we had Bryz, 2010 i think was 7 games vs Detroit... 2011 we got absolutely embarrassed again by Detroit (i think they won the cup that year).
Detroit lost the next round to San Jose that year, that was the Bruins win over Vancouver year
Yes against the Kings
As a Seattle fan, I don’t like Vegas. As a younger hockey fan, I love that Vegas proved that hockey can work in the desert
Hockey Town South baby!
Los Angeles is a desert. Dallas is a desert. I wouldn't consider Tampa Bay or Miami hockey towns either.
Sure, when an expansion team is stacked like no other in hockey history.
It'd be nuts if, after all of this hype about this auction, they still somehow don't get the arena built.
I would bet good money that the arena will never be built
They still have win the auction and even then, there are no guarantees this arena goes ahead. It's a longshot after a longshot.
@@keithck3720it's pretty unlikely their billionaire owner would lose the auction. The only possible chances are probably to a hospital (which there's already MAYO Clinic across the street so highly unlikely) or I suppose to a resort company.
@@theamaeve8175 It the Coyotes. They've been a disaster on and off the ice for a long time. I've grown to expect the worst case with them. When/if things go right, I'll be appropriately shocked.
Ya the area they are bidding on is premium land in an excellent location. It’s very likely there will be many serious buyers. I don’t see how they win this bid.
I live in Arizona the coyotes have been my team since I was 10 hockey belongs in the desert 🌵
The best thing that came from the NHL owning the Coyotes when they went on that Conference final run, was that if they went on to win the cup, Bettman would hand the cup to himself. It's always made me laugh.
They moved to Phoenix in 1996, not 1994. Also they went to the conference finals in 2012, not 2010.
Didn’t this same thing happen with the thrashers in 2011, then a couple of months later they relocated?
Bettman was just as quick to move the original Jets , Nordiques, and Whalers. He chose the Coyotes to be the hill he dies on.
The Thrashers were a case of ownership issues (Thanks ASG, bunch of greedy f***ers). Bunch of rich incels who didn't care about the city or the team and fought over their own money.
@@PittSlovakhopefully soon since it doesn’t look like he’s retiring anytime soon. He sucks!!!
The Coyotes got a 20m subsidy from Glendale to stay and a further 200m from the tax payer on top to build the arena in Glendale. If none of that were offered by Glendale the Coyotes would have relocated to either Portland or back to Winnipeg. Sadly the Thrashers would have had to relocate too because they could not find a building, get a subsidy from a struggling Atlanta which was in the process of firing city staff, or stable ownership.
Thrashers didn't have their own money to purchase and finance their own stadium.
Very informative. Thank you.
Thank you Shannon!
After watching this video it is amazing that the Yotes have lasted as long as they are in Arizona..
Thanks for this video. Living in Florida being a Bruins fan, this story drew my interest.
Always enjoy your normal content Shannon but videos like this are why you are my favorite CZcamsr. Such a great analysis.
Love the Keyser Söze reference..nice Shannon
2001 I was 14. New Arena will be in time for my 40th birthday... thats a long time with nothing much to show for it.
Not only do a lot of hockey fans from other states live in the Phoenix area, there are also fans who live in other states and go to Arizona to watch their team play the coyotes.
😮
Or countries. I've seen Canucks fans follow them on a road trip to SoCal and especially Phoenix. Much cheaper to attend a game there
Great stuff as always Shannon! I'd love to hear your take on the rangers/devils brawl.
I think what you'll see up there in NoPho would be a West Houston-like edge city built up there. Meruelo is a developer. He won't tie up all of his money on a money-sump arena. What he'll probably do is organize a much bigger PUD project under the auspices of a Rouse, Gerald Hines, Westfield (who badly need to recover from California mall closures), or other big new urbanist developer. The Coyotes would probably take a minority but significant interest in the whole shebang, and only keep the title and management rights to what they actually need - which is the arena - but as a minority partner the team would make passive income on all the land around it. Typically, infrastructure gets built and paid for by fees on the properties sold within the PUDs as assessments (like Mello-Roos in California), so there is no haggling with Phoenix about that. Water is an issue, and they may have to buy private water rights to get plumbed, but not impossible...I've expressed concern about the market timing of this project, but the idea itself is pretty sound if it resembles anything like what I'm talking about. Certainly better than the mess in Glendale or the NIMBY broads in Tempe...
As a Flyer Fan This Topic of The Coyotes is Kinda Getting Old Even Though The Team Really Needs a New Arena If They Don’t Relocate!
Thanks for the video, THG! As a diehard Yotes fan, I'm very much hoping they stay in the desert. They've got some awesome young talent - I think they're well on their way to being a great team.
Sounds like Edmonton’s ice district where there’s hotels restaurants extra venues all around the arena.
God that clock feels like a doomsday clock. I really hope it works, the team and fans deserve it
I'd say this is all about real estate and development.
The yotes are probably just an afterthought or a poker chip to make the deal look good.
If Bettman would gave Quebec City and Winnipeg a fraction of the time he gave Phoenix to figure things out they would have never lost their team. Jesus Quebec City has had a new arena built for like 10 years now.
Plus The Coyotes Should Had Moved To Quebec City After The New Arena Was Finished!
@@geoff3103what makes you say that. Keep in mind the Jets had 10 years of strait sellouts and draw money
@@geoff3103 Idiot
@@geoff3103 show me some hard numbers
Yotes lost in the first round to the wings in both 2008 and 2010. 2012 was the magic year, and yes I am still salty about game 5 penalty in overtime should’ve been a yotes pp but LA won the series instead. I was 12 years old. Since May of 2012 I haven’t had the slightest hope of the yotes winning a cup. Been szn tix holders since 2005. since moving to the mullett they have had some of the most exciting hockey I have ever seen from the team. And now they are planning to move 5 min from my house. Can it be 2027 now?
It blows me away that the Phoenix Coyotes are still a team.
Have you heard the rumors that Meruelo is looking for a buyer of the team?
Pretty sure the Coyotes run to the Western Conference finals was in 2012, because they lost to the Kings.
Wow, there IS an auction date? I seriously thought that announcement was an April Fools Day joke that I was just late to see.
Phoenix needs a public transit system. This arena is way out there, and the car centric design seems like it's going to put a lot of traffic on that highway intersection
Right off the 101. Not far at all.
It all sounds perfectly lovely.... unless the state RUNS OUT OF WATER.
Being a Yotes fan has taught me PATIENCE
Im honestly surprised the attendance is as low as it has been considering such a massive amount of retired Canadians that live there. I've seen more Canadian plates in Phoenix than Alaska or any other state for that matter. Then again, while I was visiting family there, they had a game one night, and the cheapest tickets we found were $100. Aint no fuckin way we were paying that.
Why when the Panthers sucked for a long while, it was the Canadian snowbirds keeping the team afloat.
@@maxpowr90 I don't fuckin know bro, all I'm saying is there are a shit load of old Canadian people that live in Phoenix.
Ya, but there were waves of Canadian snowbird settlement. My parents were later and are in Surprise so Glendale was pretty decent. But there's a lot of Canadians further east, namely Scottsdale, and trying to get through Phoenix to Glendale midweek for a game would a traffic nightmare. Scottsdale is probably a better location for most snowbirds (though it makes it more difficult for my parents to get to a game)
Hopefully when all the dust settles after the past 20 odd years we’ll get an answer on the arena situation soon. It worked in Vegas, southern California, & Texas. So it sure as hell can work in Arizona
Perfect location for any stadium in AZ
Nothing I’d invest $3 billion dollars in today like more retail space…a big mall, what could go wrong 😅
I would watch a "Why the kansas stadium threat is bs" video
They couldn't pay their rent at Gila River and got booted, but they have the money to build a new arena? Something's rotten in Denmark.
Oh they had the money. Billionaires can be cheap.
Going to an auction after broadcasting to everyone how much you need the property. Smart.
Would love to be the seller
In this instance it's government backed which means lots of loopholes to just bid. You can't just show up and inflate the price, you need a down-payment and plans that the city approves for the land.
I really hope the auction goes well. Keep the coyotes in arizona. But still look into expanding with quebec, utah, houston and atlanta.
Canadian expansion isn't happening. A new team in Toronto is more likely and that's not happening.
@@geoff3103 SLC would probably work. People in Utah aren't big fans of Vegas. It's a Mormon state. If the Jazz sellout every game a hockey team certainly would.
The ECHL Utah Grizzlies record year of attendance certainly states a case for a market.
Who else saw the video thumbnail and thought it was a motherboard and a GPU lol?
you do know that Meurelo owns a casino in Vegas and in Reno as well....he has the cash
I never said he didn't.
Funny how the Whalers got made fun of for the rink being in a mall. Now everyone has retail space within the building/parking areas of their arenas.
hey did you guyse know austin mathews is from arizona?
Bring on the Houston Coyotes.
They won't be the Coyotes if they move to Houston, a new name is coming like Aeros
I think a big key point that some people are missing is the auction isnt just a matter of someone outbidding the coyotes. The person bidding would also have to have an established plan for that land. Someone wouldnt be able to just come in and buy the land to let it just sit. So itd have to be appealing as well.
Meruelo's plan is "pretend to wanna build an arena", so the league will get off his back
Looking at the map at where this arena is going to be located. Good luck Arizona. Even if they get a state of the art facility built, it just feels like a Tampa Bay rays situation. Pretty much the northern edge of Phoenix metro, where it will take Phoenix, Tempe, Scottsdale, Glendale residents, pretty much your fan base over 30 minutes to get there.
This site is still a much better improvement over Glendale which is west of the Phoenix Metro area. Also as someone who lives in Phoenix, this place is so spread out that a 20-30 minute drive is the norm when trying to get the Footprint Center in downtown or Statefarm stadium in Glendale.
I live in the east valley , I could take up to 3 hours to get to the arena plus Glendale is a shit hole not the arena but the city
No that's because you don't understand the demographics of the Phoenix valley.
If you're 20 years old, you've been watching the "Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes" Saga YOU'RE ENTIRE LIFE
I hope so too and intend on buying season tickets to support the team even though my devils will always be #1
Am sad THG forgot it was 2012 the Coyotes last made the playoffs before 2020, not to mention that was the year they went to the conference finals, not 2010. Mike Smith was red hot those playoffs.
So if this proposed arena actually ends up being constructed, when can we expect Gary Bettman to request 13,000 season tickets be sold in Phoenix like he did in Winnipeg?
It seems to me the years of operating losses in Arizona would warrant such unreasonable evidence to confirm, once and for all, whether or not there is a fan base there and that it is economical for both the NHL and its players to keep a team there.
Why not hold a sun belt market to the same standard as a Canadian one?
One thing missed. Moyes was laundering money out of the team and westgate to his private trucking businesses.
So they’re essentially doing what the Atlanta Braves have done.
I hope they move and soon
Back in 1995 or 1996 the original Jets should have moved to Minnesota and this Arizona mess wouldn't be going on right now
Why do I have a feeling that someone who doesn’t like someone who hates Meruelo will intentionally try to make him lose this bid?
Is it weird liking the coyotes based on just wanting to see them come up?
Strangely Columbus has had a lot of losing seasons. Yet no one is talking about them moving.
Because a team doesn’t move because of losing seasons. If that was the case ALL teams would move
Columbus is not in a desert and the Blue Jackets do not have any NFL, NBA or MLB teams to compete with.
@@FischerFan Shannon was implying that part of the lack of success off the ice is from what happens on the ice. My point being Columbus is stable. Arizona should just move and be done with it.
i still never got the “hockey doesn’t work in the desert” thing?
I guess that people are supposedly unlikely to choose a rink as a place to spend time and money in that sort of climate, and because of that climate it’s a place without a history and culture of the sport. Compared to other teams that were moved south, this one going from Winnipeg to the desert likely seems like an extreme example.
@@JDrevolver66 honestly u explained it perfectly. ig just as a person that lives in AZ and enjoys hockey it’s disappointing to see the general consensus seeming to b “hockey doesn’t fit in az.” especially bc vegas is so close doing so well?!
@@JDrevolver66Phoenix has had a hockey team since 1967.
I would most like to see the team move to Regina and be Renamed The Thrashers. The original Thrashers are now The Jets and the original Jets are now The Thrashers. Also it's 8 Canadian teams and no more lateral gaps for NHL teams in Canadian provinces. Though from a monetary and geographical standpoint, Salt Lake City makes much more sense, given its proximity to Vegas and Colorado. It's sad for the hockey community in AZ, but meh, they've had a long enough ride and they're are more deserving locations.
What connection does the brown thrasher (Georgia state bird) have to Regina? Typically a team is named because it fits with the location they’re in.
People do not understand or want to understand that "good hockey markets" do not appear out of nowhere. People forget that even within canada the game had to spread and grow to become popular, including with the pro leagues. That takes time and effort and money and the Yotes have not been blessed with ownership that was willing to do so for a long time.
It's almost never the market itself that is the problem, it is just an excuse by bad ownership to cover their own asses for why they failed. If a team struggling for some time or a team failing in a city meant the market was bad, then well, Quebec City's off the table. Toronto too. And Montreal. All bad hockey markets by that standard.
you dont understand hockey in canada .
hockey was played in canada before the white man came ;
it is not a sport in canada it is a religion .
you dont understand that the market is always the problem .
the yotes are failing because fans dont care to see them .
teams in canada are worth over 2.5 billion dollars .tickets cost 125 for the cheapest seats with a poor view .
if the yotes cant support their team or build a building because theyre poor .canada has places that could and would support that team .. because hockey is a religion .
for us its not a casual thing . because of that im ready to snatch up that team and move it .
hamilton and quebec city have buildings ready to go.with fans already in place .
that is what you dont seem to understand .
Toronto could be struggling on the ice even worse than the coyotes are but leafs fans would keep selling out because they'll watch anything 😂
@@habinationsLOL is that why despite having a good team Winnipeg is having a hard time selling out a 15k building? Spare me.
@@habinations textbook reply of why I can't stand the God complex of some Canadian fans.....
Tickets to the Coyotes last game after a month of basically losing and no playoff hopes, 175 dollars standing room only.
All those rumors you guys started of them selling the team....had them valued at over 1 billion dollars.
So your facts are just plain stupid. If you keep the game to only one small market, then there's no opportunity for growth. There is a reason the NHL is so desperate to capture the Phoenix market and not your small little village.
Matthews would have been a Coyote if the NHL was rigged. Only way they win but that homegrown talent.
Should have been folded up years ago.
I desperately want this to work out, if only so we can finally stop talking about it. If the auction fails they MUST be moved because at this point that is only other viable option to end this negative topic once and for all. But as I said I hope it doesn't come to that and they get the stadium and it ends that way
Just relocate them already and be done with it.
Another comment to try to teach CZcams to actually recommend me your videos, like I want it to when I "ring the bell"
I just want arizona to move this is enough already
The people there have spoken: they ain’t paying higher taxes for some billionaire’s mediocre team just so that person and some construction company’s mogul can make a mint off this pipe-dream of an arena.
Move them to Salt Lake City, where they’re ready for a team. Bettman is being stubborn as always.
I'm of the belief that if the team hasn't caught on with the general public in the region after almost 30 years, they should just sell and move the team to Salt Lake.
I totally understand why people just want the Coyotes moved and that the NHL has tried so hard to keep them in Arizona despite all the hardships; however, I really hope they get the arena done and it translates to stability for the franchise. The Yotes are a great young team with a lot of potential as a future cup contender and the fans deserve it as well. Can’t imagine how hard it is for any fanbase to watch their team move away
"The Yotes are a great young team with a lot of potential as a future cup contender"
Why do people believe this?
So, while this is a good video so far, I haven't finished, but when you started mentioning playoffs appearances, something didn't sound right, so I paused the video to fact-check. So, two major errors in this are as follows: After the 2001-02 season, they qualified for the playoffs in the 2009-10, 2010-11, and the 2011-12 seasons before not making the playoffs, outside the 2019-20 shortened season, to present. It was the 2011-12 season playoffs they made the conference finals, where they got steamrolled by the Kings, like all the other teams the Kings faced in to win the Stanley Cup for the 1st time. Lol, just wanted to put that out there for you, as you're rewriting my Kings history by having the Coyotes not there. Incidentally, it was that playoffs series that is the reason Coyotes fans hate Dustin Brown.😅
Oh no! That completely ruined the video!
Arizona gave the NHL Austin Matthews.
Hockey guy in fully invested- capitalism run amock has fully destroyed the league
The Coyotes didn't exist in 1994.
If Jim Balsillie had been allowed to move the team to Hamilton (I’m guessing the Leafs put a stop to it), maybe we avoid all of this. Hamilton would have supported an NHL franchise. Instead, this mess drags on.
Balsillie was a mess himself. I don't think the drama would have ended if he had been allowed to buy a team. In hindsight, the NHL was right to keep him out.
Quebec should arrange a fundraiser to buy some far away land...
1996 not 1994
I wonder why the rumor started yesterday that Maruelo was shopping the team. This saga with the Coyotes is starting to resemble a soap opera...."As the desert winds blow..." stay tuned!😊
Any businessman worth their salt always has a back up plan in case things go south.
That was nothing more than Gambo trying desperately to remain relevant
@@UnoriginalDnA Cope harder
@ElmerFudd16 You added so much value here....maybe Gambo will Give you a call to kiss his butt
@@UnoriginalDnA Arizona sports person announces idiot Meruelo is trying to sell the team. Coyotes fans can't believe they didn't realize Meruelo wasn't a jackass. Now they're mad. LMAO
can they leave
Jersey looks awesome on it
16 teams make the playoffs, other 16 don't. Only 1 wins the cup. If there were 16 teams, most teams would have s better chance to win.
When I heard this news last night, I had to double-check that it was no longer April 1st.
The thing that angers me is the blame by other fans is always placed on Coyote fans, but the fail to realize from the start we've had bad management, and crap Arena location. Everything has been against this team. Add to the fact the Arizona has been a Fair Weather fan state for as long as I can remember.
For once, the proposed site is actually relatively easy to get to from any side of the Vally. I have hope that once we have the Bid this will be the end of it. Good young core coming up, there is light at the end ofnthe tunnel. It's dim, but it's there.
No offense to the Coyotes org, but they can’t even build a competitive hockey team. They’re really going to build their own arena and city center??
Hot Take: the Phoenix Coyotes should stay in Mullett Arena
If you increase the capacity to about 20k, sure
its a great place to watch a game
The Coyotes have been through as many owners as my ex girlfriend had marines
That should tell you something about the state of the team
@@michaelleroy9281 ran through
As much a I would love to see a team in salt lake I really hope it works out for them maybe they can do a pre season game here
Funny how you missed the Coyotes making the playoffs in 2012, since it’s the ONE time they went on a run (WCF)😅
What year is this? This might have worked 20 years ago, but I don't see the "retail" end of thing working. Studies have shown that shopping as such is way down over the last 10 years. People don't go to the "mall" much anymore. Vegas is different. You have people there, who may never be in Vegas again so they might grab something in a store. This is Arizona..it will just be another "what if" situation.
Malls can still thrive. There's one in Burnaby that's still really busy. If they build it right, it can work.
@@TheHockeyGuyMalls in America are having a harder time than in Canada. Since we still get months of cold weather here, malls are a good excuse to get out of the house during the winter and crappy weather. Not saying it won't work in Phoenix but it's going to be difficult.
The USA could relocate the entire state of Arizona before the NHL would relocate the Coyotes...
I think these renderings are worse than the Tempe ones
The coyotes play in a 7000 seat arena. Absolute joke. That Salt Lake or Milwaukee isn’t celebrating 10years since the coyotes moved from AZ is a joke
*5000 seat arena
They are commited to win a auction. that's like saying "im gonna win at the casino"
The A’s have a game plan too! Hahahahahahaha