Make Thermite (and testing various iron oxide sources)
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I hope to eventually make a video on alternative thermites like copper, chromium, manganese, silicon etc. but it might take some months to acquire all the chemicals. Don't worry i have other videos planned in the meantime.
On a different note: Good luck and good year to all of you younger individuals who are starting school, college or university around this time. I wish you all the best.
+NurdRage Good video and thanks, just starting college next week :3 will definitely be doing chemistry GCSE
Under 301 club nice vid love them first time being this early
hey nurdrage love the videos i hope to become someone like you. my idol is you because you inspire me to do what i love science keep up the good work man :)
+NurdRage When are you going to create the channel NurdRage Talks?
+ rurd rage cool video
Instruction Clear. Made thermite. Thank you.
+Clear Instructions Instructions not clear enough, Made thermite and ended up with 1000 flower pots...
+Sindri “Grandy The Great” Karl I wonder if a flower pot have anything to say to this.
+Clear Instructions Instructions unclear. Dick on fire in rusty flower pot.
+Clear Instructions I see what you did there. Nice channel though:)
+Sean P Instructions unclear. Made thermite... and still not on fire... and not in a rusty flower pot...
When you mix fuel, metal oxide, and metal powder in just the right way, it burns at 2000°c, hot enough to cut through nearly any barrier known to man. Throw some C4 into the mix....and you've got one hell of a combination.
Where da C4 at tho
Where da EMP grenades though?
Time to make a new door...
C4 will do nothing as only explodes via electrical charge. You can literally light it on fire and it won't explode
@Billy But Whole XD
@@alavista4218 dont know when the last time you used C4 but modern mdi does not use electric plastic caps. Heat and pressure will set off C4(in combination). You can set it on fire, but I wouldn't take the chance of stomping on it while it is lit.
I don't know how I've not found your channel before. You've most certainly earned another sub for looking at the science aspect and not the usual "hur hur hur FIRE" that we see with most Thermite videos.
+Peter Racette Why thank you! :)
To be fair, one of the best things about science and engineering is the ability to make things at which you could go "our our our FIRE" lol
This is an excellent example of why I love NurdRage.
I've seen thermite reactions many times. On youtube, science education videos, in person... but none have mentioned the boiling point of the fuel metal and why aluminum is better than alternatives like magnesium.
how to get iron oxide 1.buy a chevy 2.live in new england
Ill stick with keeping the rotors i have to replace every 17k miles on my F150.
@crossnine My truck had a problem with the front brake controller, that Ford refused to fix. There was a recall on the truck for the exact issue, but only for the Eco boost models. it essentially would force the passenger side caliper to lock long after you released the brakes, and cause the cylinder to deform from heat.
Lol, more like buy a toyota...
Bitch come to West Virginia in the usa
lol i enjoyed this comment
1:54 Evil scientist detected
Hey man, I'm really impressed with the total lack of dead audio time during your video. You constantly provided us with facts and anecdotes during the video, while we were watching five clips that were very similar. Nice work!
I don't understad why this channel has so few subscribers! it is freaking awesome and he gives you the whole explanation behind the reactions and processes
Awesome! I made thermite a while ago from rust flakes I collected from a steel bridge and filings from aluminum soda cans. I ground each of those in a stone mortar and pestle.
Rage....yet another amazing video! Love the way you have a wide spectrum of samples that are considered to be similar/same thing yet yield drastically visible different outcomes. Love the passion! Keep up the great work!
(Although it took me about an hour to explain to my 3rd grader when he asked why did you use 2 pots for only one sample and not the others if they all melted through the bottom....I'm telling you, kids now days have "logic" coming out their pores! .....kind of wish we all did lol!! Or hadn't used it up so young ;-). Lol!!)
Love the new intro NurdRage! :D
Our science teacher did thermite with us once at school and we got an almost perfect ball of iron, that was pretty cool :D I think we used the most pure (last in your video) iron oxide.
Highly sophisticated thermite testing rig...awesomeness
😜😎
Hay, it works...
I've set off a few batches of thermite a few years back. What I found to be the best was the particle size and a larger quantity. Also a full conversion from hydroxides to oxides is needed. It looks like your homemade oxides are still mostly hydroxides due to the brown colouring. I used to make mine via the electrolytic method and then roast the hydroxide in our fire place in a pet food can till it formed the red colour of the pottery grade. Then crush to a nice fine powder. I also found that doing the reaction in a bucket of dry sand would save money on cracking flower pots. The Silicon thermite stinks as the Aluminium Sulfide reacts with the humidity in the air to form Hydrogen Sulfide. Stunk my back yard out for a week. Oh, and I never got the Potassium Permanganate and glycerin method to light.
Another excellent video!
Well done!
Great vids. Really makes me miss chem class
brb, melting steel beams.
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams
Proven using _SCIENCE!_
+Univeяsal Pяoductions™ I know, that's why I'm using thermite.
+Univeяsal Pяoductions™ it can bend it though.
this video made me think of 9/11... the impact from the aluminum frame plane crashing into steel beams which have a thin layer of oxidization, then ignited by the fuel explosion could cause a thermite reaction
+piehamcake1 No, it would not. Only superficially, producing sparks just like a rusty iron covered with aluminium foil being struck with another piece of rusty iron.
The whole thermite idea is so utterly stupid, just like "truthers".
Potassium Permanganate + Glycerol definitely works. It's does take about 20 seconds for the reaction to get hot enough to ignite the thermite. It definitely works and has never failed us.
2:13 Right ear confirmed!
For a better thermite get Blue pyro aluminum. Also, you don't have to use the sparks with magnesium wire. Im using normal fuse and i just sprinkle the top of the thermite with powder magnesium or black gunpowder. Works like a charm!
Years ago I used some commercial thermite products used for insitu welding of earthing grid cable and stakes, these used a small aluminium disc for the delay to drop the molten metal, if I had to guess I’d say it was maybe 1.2 or 1.5mm aluminium
Permanganate and glycerine works well.
Sugar can be substituted, but requires friction to activate.
Hi NurdRage, I have a question for you.
I live reasonably close to a Magnesite (MgO) quarry.
There is a lot of the ore scattered throughout the soil of the mountain the cave is on, and I could easily get a few hundred grams just by looking around.
Is there any way to reduce the MgO to elemental magnesium with easily obtained chemicals?
I've always wanted to try and get a metal from the raw ore, but I don't live near enough to any copper or iron mines.
Thanks!
Thermite also works with larger aluminium particles and burns less violent. And the addition of some calcium fluoride does also help the molten iron drops to coalesce.
i find that sprinkling copper thermite on top makes it easier to light seeing as the copper thermite itself is pretty easy to ignite
somebody needs to make an offline database of videos like this, in the style of the global seed vault, in case of apocalypse
Better print out all of youtube
I have a 350g nugget, actually several - if you compress your mix slightly, the heat spreads more evenly - when I had a work-shop - I would take the slag and press it into a fine powder than use it the line the bottom of my casting pot - I found all my nuggets to be totally encased in al203 slag and the resulting mass of Fe to have a chrome mirrored surface - I like your test rig - I do similar - have dug holes in the ground or put into a metal compost bin also - peace out👌👍
Great videos... Any reason why you used such a coarse AL to do this and which type of AL did you use? That will make a lot of difference as well.
soo iron oxide and alluminium ?
8:19 your mutant fly igor is back :P
Your channel is so good, I never really took to chemistry at school I found it quite boring. Your mastery of this science really inspires me to put some effort into learning more about it, thank you for that.
I wonder if a little carbon was added to the thermite could you produce steel? If this is a viable method of producing steel maybe you could hook up with one of the guys who do black smithing and produce different grades of steel that could be forged into a blade or a sword. I know the back yard scientist did a pour of thermite into a mold but that's not the same as forging dissimilar mixtures of steel. If it's possible please do it; this would be so cool. Can you point me in the right direction to learn about chemistry from the ground up, I really want to understand what is going on in these experiments and not just copy them. I don't even have the vocabulary understanding of chemistry so I need to go back to the very start with it. Thank you
Thermite is also used to weld railroad rails w/o electricity.
couldn't quite make out what was said regarding ignition using, what I am sure is, magnesium ribbon. an alternative that worked for me was placing a few match heads on the thermite and igniting those to initiate combustion of the thermite. the benefit is that matches are readily available where magnesium ribbon might be tricky to source.
Superb real world chemistry in action with proper detective work analysis and full of details. Would like a transcript as some rapid accented heavy pronunciation around 4 to 5 min in was unclear at very interesting comments.
how do I make aluminum power? Can Magnesium power be used?
Thumbs up for the highly sofisticated room! :-D
Add in a rock tumbler with brass rod cuttings, and mill it for a couple days and see what happens!
Thermite is one of the most simplistic yet useful reactions that everyday people can conduct if need be.
Good video.
hey nurdrage, aren't sparklers essentially a form of thermite? or at least very similar? I recall seeing that on an informational television program but I can't recall for sure
I wonder if you mixed the aluminum in with the wet iron oxide before it was completely dry, and then dried it, if it would work better.
Hi, nice video! I wanted to ask what is the mesh size of the aluminum?
When you mix fuel, metal oxide, and metal powder in just the right way, it burns at 2000 degrees C hot even enough to cut through any barrier known to man. Throw some C4 into the mix.....and you have one hell of a combination!
hahahaa, highly sophisticated thermite testing rig. Love it
I've seen elsewhere that for pyrotechnics people said to use German Blackhead, or sometimes called German Black Aluminum powder.
What is the specs on your Aluminum?
They said this because their Aluminium would've been extremely fine, charcoal is added to ultra fine aluminium to stop it from oxidising. Indian Blackhead is around 4000-5000 mesh, mine is 5000 mesh or 3-5 microns. It is very reactive and extremely powerful. Most pyrotechnitions will use this mainly for flash powders as it is far to fine and valuable to be using on pointless thermite or thermate reactions.
cool...the only problem is that you treated the laboratory grade with different controls so it's hard to know if it would have behaved the same if you did it the same way as the others
Rocket candy is a solid solution of potassium nitrate and sugar. Chlorate would be too unstable and it's relatively difficult to obtain, compared to the nitrate. It would also probably be less predictable and wild, thus making the rockets more dangerous.
I know this is an old video but would it be possible to substitute the iron oxide powder for cast iron powder?
I tried it but I couldn't ignite the mixture
How about magnetite + depleted uranium? Exothermic reaction?
That laugh at 1:57...
does anybody know what would be the smoke collected from a laser cutter cutting mild steel consist of, It collects as a super fine dark brown powder.
Is there a testing based on various aluminum powder sources video?
Wow that rig is pretty high tech
Hey. If I was to consider doing this with FeO instead of Fe2O3, would the ratio of Al to FeO be 3:1? I worked out the reaction to work out at that kinda rate (not including other impurities made during the reaction) to 2Al + 3FeO -> Al2O3 + 3Fe.
So for every 216g of FeO, I should use 54g of Al right? Not that I would want a thermite reaction quite that big.
+Josh Henton I don't think so, since you wouldn't have enough oxygen to react with the aluminum then.
Just realised I got my math wrong.
It's 54g of aluminium to every 216g of iron (i) oxide.
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Glad I could help ya figure it out! (Still not sure if it'll work, but that sounds a lot better!)
+Josh Henton FeO is higly pyrophoric and you can't really store it under atmospheric conditions without it burning to Fe2O3. The only other stable iron oxide is Fe3O4... But I am pretty sure it works too.
***** Yeah, I opted for iron (iii) oxide in the end.
What if you use black iron oxide?
hi there, i just wanted to ask if during the chemical reaction between the iron oxyde and aluminum there could be the production of dangerous gasses, i know that of course if you inhale for a long time the gasses producted you'll feel sick, but i'm talking about little portion of gasses inhaled
@NurdRage How can one capture as much of the heat released as possible and either: release it back slowly into the environment, or thermoelectric considerations. Or is there a more efficient / cost effective method to produce a lot of heat to store and trickle out over time? Thank you.
Can you dissolve the Aluminumoxide in an acid ? Because I wanted to recover the iron , but I don't know how to dissolve the aluminumoxide. Thanks and great video.
would a map blowtorch be hot enough to kick off the reaction?
Could you ignite it from the bottom and have "fresh" thermite pour onto your melted iron to keep it at temperature?
i love your videos and am trying thermite myself. i am having a problem with getting the magnesium to light it, so i wanted to know what the sparklers are called and where i would get them. thank you.
It looks like cheap sparklers that cost like 99 cents will do the trick
Could a 8:3 ratio yield more molten iron than 3:1 ratio or would the amount of iron oxide overwhelm the amount of metallic fuel leaving residual iron oxide on the side? I want a very liquidy yield for welding two bars of steel. What would you recommend?
1:56 Good God, that laugh :O
Can aluminum reduce other metals besides iron? Maybe you can use it to reduce slags from melting other metals especially tin and bismuth?
Is there a way to infuse carbon into a thermite reaction to make either steel or another form of harder iron? If not, what would the process look like?
Hi what kind of electric power supply are you using and what could I use ??
I am curious of adding some carbon to the thermite mixture. Fe+C makes an euthetic of lower melting point and could possibly make the melt more fluid. This is something interesting to try.
Not sure if anyone knows, but I've been wondering if there would be any practicality in retrieving the iron oxide formed from the use of single use hand warmers. I read in my chemistry textbook that some work on an exothermic iron to iron oxide reaction that uses salt as a catalyst. Would it be possible to cut open the hand warmer and use this?
You can also use magnetite Fe3O4 for excellent results
Where could I buy the pottery iron? I've called every craft store around with no luck! :(
this reminds me of first year chemistry ahh the good times
Could you use this process to make metallic titanium from titanium dioxide (a common white pigment)?
Is it possible to use black iron found in sand with a magnet in a thermite reaction?
I was just mixing some powders together and made a really weak version of thermite or has a similar reaction to thermite, would you mind checking it out and tell me what you think about what I mixed up? Thanks
Does the aluminium need to be very pure? I was just wondering if you can just grind aluminium cans and such into a fine dust and use that.
Do you think refractory bricks like you can buy from a hardware store would withstand the heat any better?
I also wonder if adding sand to the mix would help separate the slag and the iron.
+Justin Hall yes they should as the refractory brick is made to melt iron and other metals in.
What about the other types of iron oxide I've yellow and black Iron oxide but I've not tried to react it.
Is it possible to make corundum with this reaction?
I know this is late, but would anyone know if Indium would work in place of Aluminum? I'm just curious.
What mesh should the aluminium/iron oxide be?
Have you ever tried using boron trioxide as oxidizer? I red that magnesium + boron trioxide produces the hottest thermite... except for lanthanum + tungsten oxide but that's too hard to acquire.
can you use black iron oxide
how much degrees
does rust goes to? (thermite made of rust)
Perhaps a bonus test with "mill scale?"
how do you make the alluminium powder?
I read somewhere that there's a way to make titanium metal via a thermite reaction. Ia that something you might try in the future?
+John Weems It forms, but it's really, really impure and unless you do it in a sealed contain the newly created titanium burns, undoing all your work.
What would be the mix ratio if I would use CuO ?
I have super fine aluminum powder and very pure silicon dioxide can I do termite only by these chemicals or must add somethink else
sorry for my grammar :D
black iron oxide works too, but you need to make it stechiometricaly accurate , but is quite more energetic (Fe3O4)
i tried a mix of sulphur, aluminum powder ans potassium nitrate to ignite, KMnO4+ glycerin is kind of like tossing a coin
what's the difference between thermite and thermate? Do they burn differently and does one get hotter than the other? ANdis one easier to make than the other in a home lab?
+NurdRage
Ive known that titanium thermite has been possible for along time but (from a popular mechanics magazine article a long time ago lol ) but i dont know the specific chemistry and there dosnt seem to be alot of information of it.
i think it has to be made with nano iron thermite mixed with titanium oxides, and which TiO would be best arent there a bunch of them
had no idea it was that simple. I want to learn more chemistry but I don't know where to start.
Is there a reaction if a metal oxide is mixed with sugar and aluminium?
Can copper thermite be used as homemade explosive?
That's what I call "smokin' pot".
+Hunter Wulf I think Hickok calls it Pot smoking
+iunpk3di Yes he does. In this case it's pot smoking nurd style. :)
Beat me to the Hickok comment
Hey NurdRage, I was wondering if a Fe and Pb3O4 thermite is possible for you to test. I have done the math and it seams plausible. So I was wondering if you could test it? Also it should be easy to remove the iron oxide resultant.
Nice.
You NEED to make a video about hydrofluoric acid! It would be awesome.