The Shocking Truth Behind Bruce Lee and Gene Lebell's Encounter
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- čas přidán 27. 03. 2024
- Let's uncover the truth behind the myths Joe Rogan has been spreading about "Judo" Gene Lebell's encounters with Steven Seagal and Bruce Lee.
In this eye-opening video, we challenge the stories that have captivated millions and examine the facts with a critical eye. From the infamous tale of Steven Seagal's on-set encounter with Gene Lebell to the supposed lessons Lebell taught Bruce Lee, we're setting the record straight.
Armed with evidence, eyewitness accounts, and a deep dive into martial arts history, we debunk these urban legends and pay homage to the true accomplishments of these iconic figures.
Join us as we navigate the line between fact and fiction, asking the crucial questions and revealing the reality behind the sensationalized tales. Whether you're a martial arts enthusiast or just love a good myth-busting session, this video is a must-watch.
Don't miss out on discovering "The REAL Story" behind these martial arts legends.
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Thank you for bringing the truth of this matter to the unfortunate often gullible masses. I myself with 30 years of martial arts experience had one martial artist demonstrate a take down technique on me easily without me resisting at all. He later took that demonstration and changed it to "I took him down". Talk about an ego trip, similar to Gene and many other ego driven practitioners. Much love.
@@ProfRobertStewart CZcams will delete tons of comments. Its just the new reality we live in because nobody cares.
Thank you so much.
He lies about much more malicious things than that. He's truly a terrible person
@@matthew-jy5jp We are in agreement, my friend. He HIDES some truths that don't bolster his NARRATIVES. As long as I DON'T SEE his TREMENDOUSLY SILLY posts, he can enjoy himself. I've never had to BLOCK ANYONE until him. All can say what they wish on my sites. 🙏🏼
Rogan also thought Ronda Rousy was the 8th wonder of the world 😂
Instead of the awful narcissistic bully she was/is
@@paulbirkbeck1790 💯🎯 zero humility
@@mig1017 💯👍
He also claimed Ronda could beat the bottom half of the 135 MEN'S division!!! 🤣😆🤣😂
@@laserguidedtrollmasterfromHell yeh, exactly, he gets caught up in the noise quite easily 😂
Wrath of the Dragon the real fights of Bruce Lee. Everybody should read that book! Best book about Bruce Lee hands down. Check it out folks. Real stoories no BS. 👍
actually its full of BS..JL wrote it to soak the rubes
Great book
Read it twice in 3 days!! Amazing book!!
@@cuzz63🤣 still at it? Pathetic.
@cuzz63 how so?
Half a century since he departed, Bruce Lee is still regarded as an all time great-
Think about that.
It’s like Bruce is the Mozart of his profession.
i don't think rogan knows much about bruce lee.
Or anything else either!
Joe Rogan=Closed mind+Open mouth.
@@lindsaybeadle2559Apart from that he knows everyone in the combat sports scene
@@G.L.80 so he might so what beerdy thinks hes a bullshiter and even chuck Norris tells three different versions of the Same story ?
@@lindsaybeadle2559beerdy is the biggest BS . All his Bruce Lee post are lies and he should be banned from YT !
As a huge Bruce Lee fan since he first appeared in movies I admire and respect your knowledge and research more than any other Lee fan.
Steven Seagull ruined his own reputation, but nobody can ruin Bruce Lee's reputation.
Except Lee himself...since he died from being a cocaine addict. He boasted that he didn't like drinking alcohol ( though in his last year or two he did sometimes ) and preferred drinking tea....yet was smoking hash, smoking weed, snorting cocaine and taking steroids. Talk about being a walking contradiction.
ie:
Party host: Would you like a glass of beer or wine Bruce?
Lee: No THANKS. I don't touch the stuff.
Lee: 5 minutes later goes into the bathroom and snorts two lines of blow.
SMH.
Lee, in my opinion, read a lot and was a bit, " bright " but not a wise person at all. Cheated on his wife multiple times, did hard drugs, had temper tantrums, was self absorbed, took steroids and on and on and on.
@@philosopher0076Source? Where can I find any of that info?
@@anti1training A lot of stuff is not going to be printed online, in 2024. We know, in 2024, that Bruce Lee was a visual phenomenon when it came to realistic fight scenes on film.
If you believe that anybody who was a TV and movie star (never even mind in the 1960s and 1970s) did not do cocaine, then you just don't have any common sense street cred.
I remember hearing about Bruce Lee cheating on his wife when I was a kid, in the 1980s. There was no internet then, there was just the living memory of the people who saw news headlines while they stood in line at the grocery store, or read magazine articles because they were fans of the living legend a decade earlier, and so on.
I know that Bruce Lee was into using fitness shortcuts including using the original medical TENS units, at high throughput, because 10 minutes of electrical stimulation to the pectorals was equivalent to several hundred push-ups. It makes sense that he would have used steroids too. Anabolic steroids weren't even considered cheating, in sports training, until the 1980s and weren't made illegal until 1990.
@@anti1trainingno sources. He needs attention
@@anti1training Tom Bleeker and others
Rogan also stated that chuck Norris was a bonafide kickboxing champion which is complete bullshit as he only competed in point karate
Many people believe that Chuck Norris competed in kickboxing even though he only did kickboxing in a movie.
Cite the source where he says that, Otherwise Copilot is calling you a liar "Copilot
Joe Rogan has spoken about Chuck Norris on various occasions, often praising his influence on martial arts and his achievements. However, there is no specific statement from Joe Rogan claiming that Chuck Norris is a kickboxing champion."
If he competed in the 70s and was a champion then he's legit. Kickboxing didn't take off until much later. In Bruce's and chucks day it was just point based.
The Green Hornet story sounds suspiciously like the Bruce Lee character assassination stuff from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
Shannon Lee openly criticized that movie portrayal of her father.
That's because the scene was based off the story
I won’t watch that movie because of that scene
I won’t watch that movie because of that scene
That’s because Tarantino is a hack writer.
One flaw I really criticize Joe Rogan for is his bias about BJJ being the ultimate martial art. This despite the fact bjj black belts lost to other styles in MMA matches.
Joe should watch more One Championship where many of these style vs style matches still happen.
Highly decorated BJJ athlete fought the champion in their weight class, Xiong Jing Nan.
Xiong basically just boxes in all of her fights. She punched and dodged all over the ring for 5 rounds. The BJJ woman never posed a threat, and she was supposed to have been the most decorated female BJJ athlete in the world.
I have no doubt that this woman could have beaten Xiong on the ground, but she was incapable of getting her there.
@@GoldenbellTraining Very true indeed!
gayjitsu is crap. master ken did very good video about it. now i have to find it and re-watch it 😀
Unfortunately your comment contradicts itself. You said that Brazilian jiu-jitsu lost to other styles in Mixed Martial arts matches. Say that again very slowly.....
@@picallo1 Don't have to. It's a fact.
I hope , I'm not the only human on this globe hating that Joe Rogan dude..
You definitely not the only one.
I'm a simple woman. I see Goldenbell Training talking trash about Steven Seagal, and I click. Good bonus that Joe Rogan also gets criticized, lets just say he doesn't exactly have the best reputation among skeptic circles.
Okay, as much as I despise Seagal, I appreciate you don't just talk bad about him just to talk bad about him.
Seagal is entertaining. Grew up watching his flicks. Idolized him a bit when I was 12. Hes gotten a bit weird as of late tho. Golden bell isn't trashing talking Seagal tho. Just like he isn't talking trash about Lebell or Lee just because GB doesn't puff up the myths of these guys floating around out there.
@@masedub976 He has told about the actual bad things Seagal has done in other videos.
This is my go to source for Bruce. You really put in the time and energy to separate fact from fiction. Thanks for all the work you put in!!!!
You should DM Joe Rogan and explain your position. I've found him to be reasonable and approachable.
Sammy Gravano never said Seagal crapped his pants because of Judo Gene. He said he crapped his pants when Seagal got called out on the carpet during a Mafia meeting and the Mafia wanted money.
You know I'm on your side and always appreciate your clarification of the facts.
If Joe is saying this he must believe it. I know you have it right. No worries.
Hope the family is doing well and thriving. Lvya brother
Joe was, and possibly still is, a fellow Satanists. He typically does and says, what the Elite tell him to do / say. You dont get to be on TV, and make it big, unless you have "Made the Deal" with the Cultists. The Elite dont want the Lemmings to have high level combat skills.. which is why they pushed hard, to make people thing Grapplers are the best thing since Sliced Bread. The Gracies Cherry Picked clueless / inept fighters, and easily exploited them, using simple feint tactics. They purposefully labeled these fighters, as "Masters". Anyone with a year or so in the arts, could EASILY see that NONE of them were even close to being a Master of anything. The Gracies also took the original art of Jujitsu, and removed its striking, on purpose.
The Gracies have ties to the Mass Media.. and were behind the creation of the UFC... where they used the same tactics: Invite some clueless fighters, that can easily be exploited. Slant the game further... by making it favor grappling methods. Eventually ban like 40 different martial arts techniques... make the flooring rubberized.. and install shock absorbers on the actual Octagon ring. All sorts of trickery and deceptive practices.
Unfortunately, the Lemmings ate that crap up... and Parrot it back out like the Gospel.
Joe has mellowed out a bit over the years. He used to not be able to spit out a single sentence out, without at least 10 curse words in it... even when he was supposedly taking about "Enlightenment". His ideas about Meditation, were completely wrong / inverted too. You dont just allow your mind to wander. You need to keep the mind busy doing a specific task... in order to eventually TAME the subconscious mind. I know, because I did 3 years of daily, 1 hour long, silent meditation sessions. I developed the "Quiet Mind" state, in only about 3 months time.
Joe used to trash Traditional arts like TKD... Despite him having kicks that are FAR superior to ALL of the UFC fighters... because of his former TKD training. TKD has certain issues.. but, it also has some superior training methods, that are not found in the MMA schools, nor the UFC training programs (and it clearly shows).
As for Gene telling the poo story... I vividly recall seeing him telling it. And as for the mention of the Mafia stuff... that clearly would have been a "Phrase", not something Literal. You dont poo your pants out of fear, unless maybe you are like 2 yrs old... or if you already are having a severe diarrhea episode.
Seagal never crapped his pants. Sammy Gravano is a storyteller like Gene LeBell. Only Seagal haters believe that nonsense.
@@Katzenhase I hope you and Steven have a happy life together
@@davidlancaster8152 Ha, ha, ha!
@kevincarmell9984 Right, Mr Psychology!
What up Prince! Much peace and love to you and yours. Glad to see your hard work constantly paying off.
I would love to hear Kelly LeBrock's version of this.
So many people lie about and disrespect these two and other great practitioners. Roan has no idea what he's talking about. I have 40 plus years in Martial arts. These stories are garbage. I've met with many over the years and trained with a few big names. Rogan is dropping the ball on these stories. There are so many lies and politics among practitioners today. Thanks for telling the truth.
Thanks for clearing this all up. None of those stories did anyone any favors. And despite all the crap Seagal takes he has skills and that shouldn't be overlooked despite his current direct to dvd career
Whoa, just noticed my interview with Sensei Hayward Nishioka is part of this video!
Thank you for giving credit where credit is due.
🥋
Very good points! But allow me to add a couple of things which you didnt mention since they are imo important to the Lee story:
1) You mentioned correctly Steven Barnes and Ed Parker Senior spoke about this "fight" between LeBell and Lee on The Green Hornet set, but there is something which stinks when you see the timeline:
Death of Bennie E. Dobbins: 1988, February
Barnes publishes the story in Black Belt magazine: 1989, February.
So basically it got published a year after Dobbins passed away. It's almost like LeBell, Parker Sr and Barnes waited until Dobbins was gone, since he is according to LeBell the key witness for all of it. LeBell claims Dobbins called him up to teach Lee a lesson or what ever. Funny is Dobbins himself never said this between 1966 and 1988.
2) Sadly you didnt mentioning the research of Lee-Historian John Little about this whole thing. He spoke about it in several podcasts in the past months, and even publisded a pdf file "Bruce Lee and the judo man". Anyone who reads this file with all the contradictions will see how questionable this story is.
Long story short: A major problem for LeBell's claim is that nobody from The Green Hornet crew had any recollection of this event. LeBell claimed he took Lee over his shoulder and ran around the set with him, the so called firearm carry.
Little spoke with leading actor Van Williams, who was there for every shot, but also with the producer of the show, Charles Fitzsimons, and both of them didnt mention anything about it. And also leading actress Wende Wagner (died on cancer in 1997) spoke in the 90s about the show, and she said they were like a family, nobody had trouble with each other, it was great to work there. And she said this in an interview about Lee. She never said something like there was trouble because Lee hated the stuntmen or what ever.
Little: „Speaking with LeBell was like speaking with someone who doesnt know somebody [Lee].“
Little: „How was Bruce?“
LeBell: „Oh he was great!“
Little: „Can you give me an example?“
LeBell: „No, i cant.“
LeBell: „I didnt like the incense burning in his school.“
Little: „There were no incense burings in his schhol. And his school wasnt even open during the time Bruce and Gene met each other (it was in the spring 1966, his school did open in LA in early 1967).
LeBell: „I took him over my shoulder on the set of GH.“
Little: „I’ve talked with almost anyone from the GH cast. Van Williams, Charles Fitzsimons (producer of GH), nobody had a recollection of that.“
LeBell: „I taught Bruce Lee grappling, I brought him into judo.“
Little: „Were there witnesses for your teaching?“
LeBell: „No. Bruce only came when nobody was there.“
Little: „LeBell couldnt know how much Bruce knew judo at that point. His first student Jesse Glover won the North-Pacific national championships in judo 14 times in a row. All the guys who came from the army (Glover, Hart, Ellsworth, Garcia etc.) had background in judo. And guys like Wally Jay were excellent grapplers.“
The list goes on.
Buttom line: Very good video! But those two points should be in there. Stripey Rambles did an excellent video about the case too.
About Seagal: The same problem. In this case there are two first hand witnesses, Conrad Palmissano and the late Steven Lambert, who said the choke out did never happen. Only guys who werent there (Kevin Hart, Freddie Prinze Jr, Joe Rogan etc) say it did happen.
And about Rogan: I like his podcast and he is an expert in MMA and the UFC, and also a great martial artist. But when it comes to Bruce Lee, either he knows nothing about him, or he dislikes him and tries to put him down with his fabricated fake stories.
But yeah, its the same Rogan who hyped Ronda Rousey 10 years ago like she was a godess, the woman that LeBell said would eat Lee for lunch. Until the day she fought Holly Holm.
Eddie Bravo once on the podcast about Lee: "When Bruce Lee came in the USA, he met some heavy guys [Jesse Glover, Ed Hart, James Demile, Skipp Ellsworth] and found out his Kung Fu BS doesnt work."
Realitiy: DeMile/Hart/Glover/Ellsworth: "Lee humilated us, he beat us easy."
Rogan about the JFK assassination: A guy asks him: "Do you think the CIA killed JFK?". Rogan: "Yes, for sure". Then when a former CIA agent sits in his podcast and the JFK assassination comes up, Rogan says suddenly Oswald maybe did it for Cubans. The guy changes his opinion depending on who is sitting in his podcast. Usually he says Wing Chun is BS, but when the Wing Chun practitioner Robert Downing or what ever his name is was in his show, he said WC is good.
Great post Chris. Jogan is a muppet. Pushes drug use, takes lots of different stuff, doesn’t know anything outside of mma. Doesn’t know anything about Bruce.
As you said, he changes his opinion are frequently as the wind changes.
Totally agree, and worse was tarantino basing that scene, off of that story.
This CZcams channel is legendary. Thanks for sharing this great information. Great episode as usual.
LIES
One of the best most informative videos on this subject. Sadly, I don't think Rogan is humble enough to recant on what he's been saying, its too bad, he should have you on his podcast and open up a debate about this. One thing is for sure, virtually everyone that has seen Bruce in action remarks later about how talented he really was, not sure Rogan really understands this.
In the version of the story I heard, Lebell hoists Bruce Lee onto his shoulders, as you described. Bruce became furious and said, "Put me down or I'll kill you!" and Lebell replied, "I can't put you down, or you'll kill me." But (I don't remember exactly how), soon the tension dissipated and they became friends.
This sounds similar to what I've heard as well.
That is not true.
That is simply a false story I can tell you for sure.
That's what I read on Gene Lebells website. Also Gene loved Bruce they were friends. Also Bruce lee is human lol he was also 26 I believe and Gene was a giant man compared to Bruce and a martial arts veteran in his 40s. Bruce didn't peak yet.
problem is that if so, usually le bell is talking about some kind of shots. he is doing it and bruce, respectively seagal, didn't defend. it is like i tell you i show you some arm lock. then lock you down and start to shitting on you and challenge you to fight and then trash you, that i destroyd you with my arm bar. but i believe that bruce and steaven were aware of that and not let him to do it and he is just lier...
Excellent video, people only need read "Wrath of the Dragon", by John Little and his Pdf called "Kato and the Judo Man" freely available on the internet, which is an extra, to see the real Bruce. Gene LeBell talks about going to Bruce's Dojo and burning incense smell and mats on the ground when Bruce didn't even have a Dojo at the time and when he did, he didn't have incense burning and had concrete floors, no mats. Also LeBell didn't come onto the set of Green Hornet until episode 11 when the problem with stuntmen and being too fast was well over by simply getting Bruce to choreograph a fighting scene and having him watch the dailies at the beginning. People love to make-up stories. LeBell was never mentioned by Bruce anywhere in his dairies or phone books, all bs stories to sell a book after his death.
Bruce Lee would learn from everyone; for example, he learn some things from George Dillman, Wally Jay, and possibly Remy Presas.
No he didn’t learn from “everyone” and the idea people taught him more than he taught them isn’t factually true. Bruce was gifted, and a genius at what he could do.
According to many people today, everyone and anyone taught Bruce Lee, but it’s important to remember HE was the one teaching all those karate people.
A few people taught him some things, not a lot, and that’s it.
Joe Rogan is good for only one thing: maintaining the internet as the primary source of contemporary legends.
This was an AMAZING video, thanks for using real facts to resolve the misinformation about these myths. 👍
Thanks for the amazing video ❤
Just like Jim Kelly said Bruce was fucking unbelievable
Yeah in his time period.
There are many stories involving Bruce that have just become part of the myths.
Hopefully Joe gets to watch this video one day. It's really infuriating when people with such huge platforms do not have accurate information.
Joe Rogan the type of guy to sh*t on TMA while it's his TMA taekwondo background that gave him those strong monstrous kicks. You can tell he doesnt believe Bruce was much of a fighter, especially in past podcasts. After some years, Joe changed his stance on Bruce Lee. Even then, he didnt do the research and really seek to learn about Bruce's actual fights, his fighting techniques, etc
TKD is a relatively new style joe comes from a pre itf/wtf taekowndo era which his instructor taught him to kick through his opponent
he has no monstrous kicks omg...
@@non9886 Have you not seen Rogan's monstrous kicks?
@@questions9856 his kicks are monstrous as bravery of diaper army...
@@non9886 diaper army?
Bruce Lee learning from Chuck Norris? 😂😂😂 What a joke. The Gene story is even more stupid.
There would've been a lot to learn about grappling from Gene Lebell. Bruce would've been smart to be his student. As for the seagull stuff, it probably didn't happen but I'd take lebell 10 out of 10.
Grapplers always think they are Invincible. I once attended an Open House sparring event at a Jujitsu school. Their students were being extremely disrespectful, and as Id later find out... intentionally harming others (breaking the arm of a TKD fighter). When one of their best Blackbelt fighters chose me to spar against... he started to make funny faces at me, while making some groaning noises. I dont stand for Disrespect, and whenever it occurs, I used KO level forces... to teach these dudes a lesson. He tried the classic high to low feint.. and rushed in. He was met by my mostly extended LEAD guard hands, Vertical fist to his Forehead. Less than 6 inches of travel, and I only used about 15% of the power that I was capable of delivering. Dropped him like a stone.
I then proceeded to KO two of their other Blackbelt fighters, one after the other... the same exact way.
These guys were excellent Grapplers, and have won many tournaments, all over the USA. However, that didnt prevent me from easily Knocking them out Cold. And that was me being Extremely NICE, allowing them past my Oblique Kicks, without Destroying their Knees.
This wasnt the only exchange Ive had with Grapplers, either.
I once sparred in a school that taught both Aikido and Kyokushin Karate. The Aikido dude was about 2x my mass.. and tried relentlessly to get a grasp of me... but I easily broke out of every attempt.. and kept Pummeling him, for the entire round.
One time a dude that knew some grappling, as well as Muay Thai... grabbed both of my arms, and started to swing me around in a circle, while laughing. Obviously the dude was much larger and stronger. Again, I take this as a sign of disrespect... as he was doing it for laughs at my expense.. trying to impress the room of other fighters. I allowed my legs to drag a little, then quickly shot my body ahead of his... able to plant my legs firmly, and suddenly did an Arial Spin kick, that just barely missed his head... as he quickly let go of me. Dude got all bent out of shape, telling me to "Take it easy", when I nearly knocked him into the next week.
Grappling has its uses... but its mostly for getting a drunken uncle under control, without harming them. Its not especially effective, in actual combat... especially when going up against a Masterclass level striker. The Gracies got their Fame, from Cherry Picking + Exploiting Clueless / Inept fighters. They refused to fight against anyone, that was actually capable of Destroying them.
Gene would not have even gotten within an Arms range... before Lee unleased a brutal leg breaking kick, followed up by Lethal level handstrikes. Gene was way too slow.. and Lee was much faster, and far more sensitive + experienced. Like most grapplers, and large sized fight... someone like Gene is used to just Tanking some hits, in order to be able to get a grip on someone. Hes not used to getting KO or Lethal level strikes, on the way in.
One of the fighters that lived near me... we used to spar frequently. He was also much larger and stronger than me. Which wasnt surprising, since while I was 6ft tall, I only weighted about 150 lbs max. You could have fit 2 or 3 of my own limbs, into each of his limbs. When we sparred, I never wanted to harm him... so I refrained from using KO level punches, nor did I ever use my Oblique Kick with any power. I merely used it like a "Stop Kick" to temporarily halt his advance. Basically, Id use him for Target Practice. He would eat my mild punches, and kicks, then using his greater mass and strength, would drive me to the ground, to try to grapple with me. I tried at one point, to tell him that he never would have been able to do what he was doing.. if I wasnt holding my techs back... to which he laughed loudly. I really didnt care much, because I knew the real truth.. that I was actually winning in each and every Exchange. I was getting my practice in on him... and I didnt care about looking bad in the process...
However.. One time after we sparred, he said that I, and Wing Chun, are "SH*T"... as he walked away. My blood started to Boil, and I demanded he return to the mat... but he kept walking. It was at that point, when I decided to give him a Tiny Taste of what I was actually capable of delivering.
The next time we got together, our mutual friend says "Fight". He takes a single step towards me, starting to throw a Cross. However, as his lead legs foot planted firmly on the ground.. its Kneecap was met by MY LEAD legs Oblique Kick. I used less than 20% on that kick... but even that was too much. He dropped instantly, like a bag of stones. He was SCREAMING at the top of his lungs, and crying a River of tears. This went on for a good solid 5 minutes, before two other dudes helped him hop on one leg, back to his car.
He would later tell me, that when he got back home, his knee swelled up like a Melon, and he needed to down like half a bottle of pain killers that night, to try to dull the pain. He said he had to crawl up his stairs for quite some time... and that it took a Month for the injury to fully Heal. Again, that was less than 20% of what I was capable of Delivering.
Mind you... he was probably as big and strong as Gene. He showed me a room full of 1st and 2nd place trophies, from his full contact competition events, from all over the states. Hes also not the kind of man that Cries. From that moment onwards, he was extremely cautious about getting anywhere near my legs reach... to the point of pretty much not being able to fight me at all. He originally said that he wanted to "End" me for what I did.. but realized, that I taught him a valuable lesson. He would soon start practicing that kick himself, for potential use against others.
@@johndough8115 awesome... true about inept fighters getting cherry picked
@@johndough8115 Bruce Lee's training videos show he had no speed. Speed is overrated anyway. Floyd Mayweather is faster than Larry Holmes but too obvious who would win that. Lebell would easily catch your idol and choke him out
@@aliensyndrome4280 Clearly you have not seen all of the clips Ive watched, if you think Lee wasnt fast.
But you are correct, that speed alone, isnt everything. For example.. its being able to catch the OP with an instant Counter, every single time... without failure... such as seen in his Long Beach sparring footage.
Lebell catch Lee?! lol. A lot of people severely over-estimate grapplers. I studied Wing Chun myself, as well as several other arts methods. I used to go around to various local schools, to participate in their open-sparring events...
One day I went to a Jujitsu schools open house sparring event. When I went to spar one of their best Blackbelt fighters... he started being disrespectful, making stupid faces at me, and making grunting noises.
Normally I dont use KO (or higher) levels of power when I spar. However, when a fighter shows me open disrespect... I teach them a lesson.
He tried the typical grappler tactic, of feinting high, then diving low for the takedown.
Except, that Im a Masterclass level fighter. I dont fall for such foolish tactics. I used my mostly extended LEAD guard hand.. to launch a vertical fist to his forehead. Less than 6 inches of travel, and I never used more than about 15% of what I was capable of Delivering. Knocked him out cold.
I then proceeded to KO their other two blackbelt fighters, one after the other... the exact same way.
I was Kind enough to ALLOW them to get past my Oblique kicks to their Kneecaps, without putting them in the Hospital.
Id later find out, that one of the dudes I KO'd, had also intentionally broken a TKD fighters arm that day.
The next event they held (that I heard about, and attended), was not for another few years, when they moved their school to a different location. I expected a similar behavior... but this time, their attitudes were far better. All smiles, being very polite, and even bowing to everyone. And for whatever reason... none of their fighters approached me to spar against me. Unlike last time... when they instantly made a B-Line towards me, to try to fight me first. Happened to me a lot, when I wore my Traditional Chinese Uniform.
Grappling has its uses... (mostly for controlling a Drunken Uncle at a wedding reception) ... But its not the "Magic Bullet" that most people think it is. Most of the vids you see it working, are against mid level, and or Clueless / Inept fighters. Try getting within a Leg or Arms reach of a High or Masterclass level fighter... and you are getting a severe Injury, LONG before you are in grappling range.
In fact, most Chinese arts, have entire advanced Grappling + Throws + Takedown training sections within them (Chi-Na, and Shuai Jiao). However, why would you allow a fighter to get past every other range of combat: Long Kicks, Long Strikes, Short Kicks, Short range hand-strikes, foot-sweeps, ankle locks, elbows, knees, full-body checks, headbutts, etc.. Why try to wrap them up.. when you can simply KO, Cripple, or "End" them? Again, grappling is Mostly for controlling someone, rather than harming them.
@@johndough8115 I saw all of Bruce Lee's training videos. Poor form and poor technique with his punching and kicking which is why he had no power nor speed. Any mediocre grappler could catch him. Bruce Lee is overrated
An honest effort to restore truth. People forget that Bruce Lee died at 32 and never even think about (given his talents, charisma, dedication and drives) what he could/would achieve had he lived just one more decade.
Can you dig it?
Rogen dodges facts like Bruce dodges grapples.
This was absolutely FANTASTIC!!! And makes perfect sense!! Thank U for this! 🔥🔥👍
Those days and even now you cant fight the star of a movie not only would you be fired and never work in the industry again, if you hurt the star amd effectced production you would have been sued as well.
Spot on
The basic concept behind Small Circle Jujitsu is still helpful to me all these years later in grappling (primarily BJJ but we cross train wrestling and Judo)
I didnt know the Bruce Lee stuff you put in here. Thats cool 👍
love your work,,keep it up outstanding!!
Hello Prince. Could you do a video on the claim that Chuck Norris makes that when he met Bruce, Bruce didn't know how to kick, he would only use low kicks such as kicking the legs, groin or waist and Chuck taught him how to kick high because this sounds suspicious to me. Take care. Mike.
Great video. Thanks for sharing!
Prince, I love when ok u get the real story done through research and development great Homework work and I concur.
Very well thought out and articulated video here on these stories which have been floating around for a VERY long time now.
I do not respect Seagal at all as an actor or even a person, but these stories are unjust and untrue as you said. We can see quite clearly that you have looked into this time and again and to be honest, you probably know way more about the truths and lies behind all of it than 99% of people who repeat and peddle the ridiculousness that this whole truly is.
Cheers to you, man!
Thank you for videos such as this one. Knowing about Lee's real accomplishments, as well as human flaws, is, imho, much more inspiring than any myths about him as a man or martial artist.
Anything I've seen by Lebell in interview about BL has been very respectful. As I understood his contribution to BL's grappling, it was more related to ground work, arm bars etc.
There was also a stony floating around the Internet, several years that Gene defeated a bear.
I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so hard in my life .
Thanks for clearing this up. 👍🏻👊🏻
Thank you for this video! This is %100! I hope it reaches a lot of people!
Excellent research and details. Good job.
Thanks, Prince, for keeping things real as always.
Excellent my man
Gene LeBell was a stunt performer/henchman on the Green Hornet episode “The Hunters and the Hunted” in 1966. It was just the one show per IMDb.
Everything you're saying is 100% true. Thank you for doing this video.
I recently learned that Wesley Snipes is so fast that he's been told to slow down in many of his classic fighting scenes. It makes me wonder who is a faster fighter between Snipes and Bruce Lee in his prime.
You mean faster actor/Martial Artist?
Dude, pretty much every decent martial artists, can be too fast for standard 24 frames per second film rates. They either tell the actors to slow down their movements, or.. they film at something like 32 fps. When the 32 fps is played back at standard speed.. its much slower to the audience.. allowing them to see and to better understand, whats happening.
Its not just Martial Artists either. Magicians can move their hands faster than your eyes can detect... which is how they still have jobs.
Lee would have been faster than Snipes ..because Lee weights less, and likely has shorter limbs. Lee mass = greater acceleration potentials. Smaller hips for example... and you can generate faster rotational forces, much quicker than others. Snipes also appears to be more of a Hard Stylist... where as Lee was closer to a soft stylist... Meaning... Lee was far more Relaxed when he launched his attacks. Relaxed muscles can generate far more speed / acceleration, than those that have some constant tension on them. Tension while punching, is like fully stepping on the gas.. while also lightly pressing the brakes, at the same time.
A lot of the modern MMA fighters, are pretty slow... because they focus on bulk, as well as do not train specialty Speed Drills. They took various techs from various arts... but they refused to also take the required "Attribute Drills" that are designed to make these techs: Faster, more Accurate, and more Powerful.
Awesome video man 😎
@GoldenbellTraining, you are the best to ever cover martial arts on this platform. you are the only one cutting through the BS and telling the truth. not lie for clicks and get views. i highly respect you so much
Very logical points. I always was skeptical about the pooping stories. It just doesn't seem like a normal reflex. People are getting choked out all the time in MMA, but when does that ever happen? Maybe it has but, I can't remember a time. Also even if Jean LeBell says something happened, doesn't make it so. Why would his account be the true one, over another account?
I agree with your assessment of both incidents as it seems to correlate with everything I have read. The Bobby Fingers video is a great video for martial arts fans.
Thanks!
Just because someone trusts a first hand account of a story over another does not mean they lie. They may not be right, but does not mean they lie.
joe a fanboy of mma and a big rider of gene. smh. i doubt he even really respects bruce...
prob like a jai white who thinks just cause he small he can wreck him. wish bruce was around
to set em all right. rip.
same with steven id take him over joe also. lol. the man has legit skill.
glad some people putting truth out there tho. respect to this channel.
If some girl tells you that a dude gRaped them... and you both Believe it, and Spread that information to others... all without Questioning it... without having ANY PROOF whatsoever... then you are in fact willfully spreading a LIE. You chose to be Willfully Ignorant to her lies. You chose not to investigate, question, or get both sides of the story. At that point, you are also to Blame, for the toxic results that follow.
Joe is a grappling fanboy, and his refusal to question his Story Telling "Hero", is just as wrong as anyone else that Blindly accepts anything told to them, without Any proof.
Joe Said "Its the Truth, because He told me so". Not, its the truth because: I was there... There were witnesses that all said the same thing... There was photographs... etc. In saying that "Its the Truth" ..he IS lying.. because he KNOWS that there is no way to VERIFY that its actually the Truth.
@@ssppeeaarr maybe you’re right on all of it, and I do not agree with Rogan conclusions on a bunch of stuff…but most do not call him a call him a liar
Thanks man🙏
Why hasn't someone went on his podcast and called him out on is lying? I would've thought someone would have by now
They'll get kicked off before they say too much.
Its his podcast duh! Don't you think guest are vented before coming on?
Can't believe i just found your channel, love the thorough look at what stories are true and not true
Both cases sound like not letting the facts get in the way of a good story.
I am a lifetime martial artist. I have been deep in the aikido world. I have seen videos of a stunt guy who was in the room calling BS on the LaBell story.
Thank you for your commitment to the truth.
-Dan
you think this guy tells truth? Damn you just made me spill my coffee while I laughed
So beating someone up in a movie makes it relevant to a real fight off screen...yeah right.
Joe Rogan peaked at News Radio.
How? He has the biggest podcast on the planet and it's not even close.
@@Ethan-wr2os Lol.
That was an awesome show !!
He did. 😂
@@daveburklund2295 what's funny? That's the truth lol he has 3 times the following of the second biggest podcast out there. That's crazy
great video ma man
GoldenbellTraining: Moreover, there is the Gene LeBell memoriam on youtube. That was after his death. All his friends and his family were there. His assistent came on stage (minute 37:50) and also said that Seagal wasn´t choked out at all.
So many other people involved in Bruce's JeetKuneDo who's never mentioned. Strikes me as jealousy.
Great video
I wish someone would tell Joe Rogan to get John Little on his podcast. I don’t even know how you contact him to request a guest.
I appreciate the clarity
the best work ever good stuff
Awesome Video 🏆
very interesting
Love u dude moore ppl should b scribed
When I asked Gene LeBell about Bruce Lee, he smiled and said "That was one of the best friends I ever had. I really miss that guy." I realized I had my foot in my mouth and grinned, because I was embarrassed. He signed his book for me, "To Johnny, Keep Smiling!" Best lesson I ever learned in martial arts, and it only took Gene ten seconds to teach me.
i remember Gene telling Joe about that moment it was on his Pod Cast awhile back may have been removed but it was there I seen the show.
Very informative
💥it would be worth your time to do a video deep dive on James Yimm Lee, BL & Linda lived with his family & BL turned the training to James, there are a few guys alive who trained with James, and the actual lesson plan of material they were training in while BL was overseas filming to my knowledge🤔👊🏼
Peace,
I don't know how much time, if any, you've spent around the Gods, but I absolutely appreciate your understanding of the concept of "Show and Prove!" Keep putting these "storytellers" on blast.
I commented on a video on this channel and saw that the video was made private.
I got a reply correcting me on what I said referencing the movie The Forbidden Kingdom.
I rewatched the movie on Amazon Prime and it turns out it was Jet Li who told the protagonist to "remember to breathe".
I don't know why I thought it was Jackie Chan when I ALSO like Jet Li...then again I haven't seen that movie in over 14 years so there's THAT.
Your absolutely right once they hit the floor and it was pretty much over.
Hey bro. Greetings from Malaysia again...
Have you read Matthew Polly's book Bruce Lee: a Life?
It said that on the set of the Green Hornet, Bruce likes to play pranks where he would flick someone's ear with his kicks until one day he accidentally broke someone's jaw. The producer or director finally said I will not have that kind of thing on my set anymore. So, one of the crews told Gene La Belle, why don't you do something about that little Chinaman. And Gene took the action by just lifting Bruce up on his shoulder, carries him around while Bruce is screaming "lemme go!" or "put me down!". End of the day, Bruce just locked himself inside his room sulking, doesn't want to go out when called
Very interesting thank you
Great analysis.
There are other first hand accounts that verify Lebell choking him out. It was said that Lambert didn't want to upset either of his friends. It's very possible that story got edited out of the released podcast or that Rogan got mixed up on when it was told to him.
What other first hand accounts? 🤣
@@GoldenbellTraining Lebell's assistant said only 4 people were there and Lambert wasn't. Granted he says Gene neck cranked him and took him down but never knocked him out or did he crap himself. I've seen stuntmen that worked on the movie say they saw it firsthand and back up the knockout. My point is I don't believe Lambert any more than any of them. When I heard Gene speak of it, he was very humble and never put Seagal down. He also never said he crapped himself, at least in that interview. When asked about it he never said one way or the other. What he said was that if a person in that situation did lose control of their bowels it would be nothing to judge them for because it can be a body's natural reaction.
That's nice 🙂
Thanks for sharing 👍
You can tell a mma fan anywhere.
They open their mouths on Bruce Lee. To this day they been tryin to downgrade Bruce. 😂 it wont work.
John Little also went through all of Bruce's training logs - none of them included Gene.
Joe Rogan spouting BS as fact? Well I never 😂🤣
"It's not true because Gene didn't wanna talk about it because he might get sued." Ehhh idk man, sounds like Gene just didn't wanna get sued lol.
Joe isn't lying. 🙄. But he is relating from memory stories he heard in conversations years ago. So he's not getting all the details right. And in some cases I've seen him even conflate two different stories together as one. That said, there is a kernel of truth behind all of those things.
Gene Lebell has talked openly about his encounter with Bruce Lee on the set. And the way Gene tells it he lifted Bruce Lee over his head (which is eminently believable) and began to run around the set with Lee. According to Lebell, Lee said put me down or I'll kill you. Lebell laughed and said I can't put you down or you'll kill me! Lol. But Lebell is clearly indicating it was a playful moment. It was not a real fight. And of course they went on to become good friends. Lebell has also talked about how they did train together. How Bruce was especially interested in the holds of Judo (what we might call submissions today). But he's also been clear that mostly what he was teaching Bruce how to be a good stuntman. How to throw punches and kicks for the camera and how to sell hits for the camera. Unless you're gonna say Lebell is flat out lying and making that stuff up, that's the true story.
As for the Segal thing, a lot of people have talked about it. But Lebell has never talked about it openly. Not as far as I know anyway. I find it believable that he would have choked out Seagal. But of course anyone that trains Grappling or that has been choked out, knows that you don't immediately pee or poop yourself. that part of the story was clearly added just to make Seagal look bad.
So there you go. That's the real story behind the stories. But they're not entirely fake. And they're not entirely made up.
Edited to add: now that I have finished the video it seems you landed in about the same place. 👍
Gene never choked out Seagal. You're STILL ignorantly trying to claim that the chokeout happened.
"A lot of people talked about it." Yes, but those people talking about it WERE NEVER THERE. The only ones that were there on set as eyewitnesses were Conrad Palmisano, Steven Lambert, and Lincoln Simonds, and two of Seagal's bodyguards (off duty cops). That's it. They ALL confirmed no one was choked out.
I actually like this channel. There's too many fake stories out there that need to be debunked.
So you were able to find the podcast of Gene but he doesn’t mention the alleged incident there?
No mention of Seagal at all
@@GoldenbellTraining thanks for the reply
You should interview John Little.
Dude, Bruce didnt start hhis partnership in China until after the Green Hornet. Bruce did train with JGL and he opened Bruces eyes to Judo, which is why you'll see Judo is at the second highest level in the Bagoda in his movie Game of Death. The highest level was to have no style at all and to be athletic. Kareems character.
None of what you're saying is true, but thanks for sharing 👍
@@GoldenbellTrainingso Bruce Lee does not do Judo moves in Game of Death? Where did Bruce get those grappling moves? It was the only time I've seen Bruce Lee grappling on video.
Well Seagal was right that move would work against avoiding getting chocked out a open hand or closed fist strike to the groin Karate and Krav maga both teach that move.