2023 BMW M2 G87 Track Shakedown at Autobahn South!!
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- čas přidán 15. 04. 2023
- FINALLY, we get our new M2 on the race track! After all the talk about how ugly or fat the car is, I still had hope that the G87 would be a pleasant surprise. It did not disappoint, and instead put everyone in the paddock on notice. This is gonna be an awesome ride.
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Those stock brakes are super impressive, hauling down a 3800 pound car over and over again without fade. Can't wait to see what happens with a set of tires and a better seat.
You just can't feel the fade lol
the brake by wire system is compensating for fade altering the pedal travel to brake pressure curve. obviously there will be a fade point, probably rather quickly fade faster after that point?
@@unknownbrokienothing pads fluids and braided lines can’t fix the stock braking hardware is really good bbk is pretty unnecessary for track days or even light racing club event.
I was fortunate enough to go to the autobahn thanks to one of the building owners, awesome to watch you make the track look so easy.
This is the M2 video we've all been waiting for! Thanks for posting! More!!
first person actually driving M2 instead of complaining about looks..looking forward for more M2 videos
Super hyped for what's to come with this bad ass M2!
Happy to see how you push it to the limit. I wanted to wait for the release of the G87 M2 but my fear was the dealer markups here in California and needing to go out of state for it
Man I should've went out yesterday. Was a nice day out too. Seeing you easily get 1:30s makes me jealous. I only had 10 min of track time there and stuck at 1:42. Went off a little at patience, got a little sideways on the rubles and broke a rear control arm along with bending my steering wheel sideways within 10 min of my first session out. I know I can do high 1:30s next time I go out there. Congrats on the car and excited to see the development of it in your hands.
Nice driving, good lines and great analysis. Keep up the good work.
Seeing this has made me really want a new M2 having been put off by the weight! Can't wait to see how you improve it and how quick it goes!!
The weight is good d during winter, the wi ter tires have grip due to the weight!
Awesome video! Subscribed!
Well done. Once again, you're doing things the right way.
I turned the notifications on: I am really excited now!
I remember watching your vids with the S2000 and you had all your tires packed in it. Now you are whipping a brand new M2. Wild
This was awesome, can't wait!
Wow! Looking forward to the rest of this cars development.
Great video. Car sure looked impressive. Good driving. 👍🏽
Thank you for sharing the new video, Jackie. 👍👍👍I am really looking forward to seeing you push the new M2 to its limits step by step. Regarding the tires, although they are all PS4S, I remember that Michelin has a specially reinforced compound for the M cars in the G generation, and the OE PS4S on the M2 is probably better than the ones sold in the general market. Anyway, the M2 is really unexpectedly good and should not be judged by its appearance. 😅It's a pity that it's so heavy, and I am really excited to see you start the lightweight process.😍
That's true for the brake pads too.
Believe it or not, a lot of us actually LOVE the appearance.
You are the first person who drive a M2 on the track and beat Supra in stock setting. Wonderful video.
Love your videos bro
This is really impressive!
Bad ass video. Now I want one
This is my kind of review, thank you.
I think you may want to consider two industry experts when setting up a BMW race car suspension. Carbahn, of Steve Dinan, and Team Schirmer Parts from Germany. Your most interesting project so far.
Bravo!
people have run 9's on stock turbo with that engine in the m3/m4, so i think even starting with a flash tune, that thing is going to absolutely scream. hell, i ran a n 11.6 in the quarter mile in my x3m with that motor lol, and that thing weighs 4600 lbs. can't wait to see what it does with more meat and more grunt
You forgot to mention the HUD, my favorite thing about tracking the G8X M cars haha
One of my favorite things about this video is that the HUD displays show up in the actual video! haha
Good luck with your new car
How was the tyre wear? The previous M2 seemed to eat through tyres like theres no tomorrow when driven hard, i guess this won't be easier on the the rubber with even mote weight. Seemed to handle really tidy!
i didn't realize the carbon interior option also deletes the shift paddles. those are the same as the ones on my x4m40i. really looking forward to picking mine up in 8 mf months...
That's amazing stock
I'd buy one of those in a instant if I had the money. Great video as always.
Love it! From what we can see in the video the chassis and suspension looks rally dialed in from the factory as you stated. Pretty much what I experienced tracking both of my cars. I also own a Supra and F82 M4 CS.
This is way better set up than either of those cars, way better
@@KandiMan I never said they were.
@@CarsWithJR You implied that those cars are similarly good right out of the box, that’s false in my experience (owned F80 CS, spent lots of time in GR Supra)
@@KandiMan Nope. I personally think the G8x platform is a great improvement over the F8X platform overall.
@@CarsWithJR Yep, just progress, enjoy my F cars while I had them, the G is definitely the next generation though (as a matter of fact, as well as proven by the performance)
Let's go dude 🎉
hi sir very very nice video of this beast!!! do you know what is mdm mode will be compared to a traction dsc off number from 0-10? i have an m4 g82 with the option as well but just have te car for a month now and diden't try this mode yet...
Fantastic in stock form like an SS 1LE or ZL1 1LE, but like the ZL1 1LE, will likely devour ties and consumables due to its weight. Will be a fantastic car so long as you can afford to keep it fed, haha
Cannot wait to get my HEA. Still in port unfortunately. Subbed to see what you do with this!
Had mine for over a week now….. ohhhhh boy it’s a tasty treat!!
Hope you get yours soon so we can all enjoy these!!
Nice initial review! BMW M cars have always been good at hiding their weight. But, >3800lbs is a big ooof for me. A set of A052's might last a couple days of tracking you think?
Exactly, I just got out of a ZL1 1LE for that reason... outstanding car, but 100-200tw tires aren't lasting more than a couple/few track days for the "average advanced" weekend warrior
Ordering mine, in manual, next week!
What mount are you using for the helmet GoPro?
How would add neg camber on the G87? Is there enough play in the LCA to get an additional 1degree?
sweet
Impressive. Is this braking system the same as a G80? I thought the pedal feel was inconsistent with the M3 and the brake feel, due to brake by wire, will probably not "fade" in the traditional sense. But very impressive that they didn't fade.
What are the plans for mods?
Looks a bit wonky, but i bet it drives like a beast.
Stock brakes may be very good, but how long before you melt the dust boots?
I wish you would start rolling out the videos like you did when you first got the Supra.
Would love to see the wheel weights, view of the undercarriage, dyno, quarter mile and zero to sixty times, alignment specs etc.
It's coming. Scheduling is rough but the main track prep segment is happening next week for sure!
Awesome driving and analysis. Would have loved to see the manual 6 speed not the auto… I just took del on mine 3 days ago so I’m easing into it but initial thoughts this is just a flat out badass car for 68k
For sure, it's a fantastic car for around 62k base MSRP!
for track you want the auto, you lose time with a manual
@@jklmnop-543 agreed but I’m old school haha
For track, I’ll take the auto all day, every day.
@@glenn3938Agreed. Manual all day. That's how racing should be, up to the driver. Otherwise, might as well just put it on auto pilot and have some tea.
what kind of seats?
Yum !
Any temperature issues? (oil, water, brakes, etc.)
I couldn't imagine living on a race track dreams right there
Any temperature issues? Also are you glad that you got an auto? (for track purposes)
More M2 vids pls! :D
It's coming!
Hows all that plow understeer
Did you pull out the stock track brake cooling vents in the wheel well? They pop out on the m3 for track use and you pop them in for street use.
We have not done anything to the car yet!
@JackieDing86 hah these are stock! But they are designed to pop out for track use. They are in front of the tires on the g8x cars. They look like slats. Has a button tab you press and pop out. But are for mpg and waters deflection.
Gonna be a great build! Can you add km/h as well on the overlay? lol
I probably can. Will work on that for next time around!
Well I think I found my next car haha
Saying this early, make sure you have the playlist from oldest to newest so people can watch it all!
For some reason your supra TA90 and AE86 vids are newest to oldest and its hard to watch all in one sitting
I'll try to fix those! Thanks!
Not surprising. Even the last gen M2 is a beast on track. I've got a stock manual M2 CS and just with RE71RS and nothing this side of a well driven GT3 gets near it..
Don't anticipate the turns , let it happen. Some of your turns the input was too early causing you to miss the target and have to steer opposite to get back on target . Nice car!!
😂😂facts
I bet the front end would look awesome once all the aero is on to complement the boxiness.
He needs to go full DTM to work with the boxyness
God i wanna do full DTM style so bad
How are you liking this vs the supra? I'm really on the fence between the two. Back seats aren't a necessity for me. Is the M2 noticeably faster?
Keep in mind the m2 is an M car, the supra is not and anything M costs More. The s58 also uses a lot more fuel, but has a dry sump, better head flow, bigger bore and lower compression, so it can take more abuse and power less stressed.
@@chrisginoc > Is my Supra faster than the M2?
Stock vs stock, no, but it's also 500 pounds lighter which should make a pretty big difference in terms of power-to-weight after modifying both.
> but a quick tune can give me all the power I need
Unfortunately, that quick tune requires having your DME (ECU) taken overseas to Finland to get unlocked by the one and only company who is currently capable of unlocking it for a hefty fee. The same will likely be true for this M2 though (newer Bosch ECUs).
Man, I was starting to diss this thing when I first saw it. Fucking hell! Guess I shouldn't be surprised. If you ever judge a BMW off just the numbers it'll fall short... then leave you for dead!
Indeed heavy car! What is the weight difference with the supra?
On paper, around 350-400 lbs?
Is your plan to run it in a lower class than the TA90 Supra to prove what it can do with less modification?
I think we will for now, then upgrade to more advanced classes in the future.
DREAM CAR. Dunno if I wanna trade in my m340i for this or a m3...not sure yet.
WOOOAAAHH!! Is Jackie Ding going to turn the new G87 M2 into a track car? 1,000 horsepower S58/3JZ?
I feel bmw has chassis and brake tuning down really good, but at a compromize. But maybe chassis tuning comes at a cost like lets say bmw has high center of gravity. Toyota supra seems to have them beat there. Also bmw has optimized gearing for its power, which may mean longer gears. Thats where the supra may have the bmw beat also, supra with more aggressive shorter gears.
looks like it drives very similar to the F80 M3, except the gears seem much shorter?
Not 100% sure since we didn’t back to back an F8x the same day, but from memory the F87 and F82 I drove struggled putting down power the way this could. Also felt a little grippier, but tire tech has certainly improved since F-Gen came out
Drives nothing like an F80 lol
lol all these fx0 and e-9x owners love to cope. I think all those rod bearings replacements have made you delusional.
@@voltaire9237 who’s coping? Of course the next gen platform should be better. Still love my F80. Btw rod bearings only affect E90.
If they would put S58 in Zupra…
Alex what are those pants
If you're talking about the passenger in our second on-track clip, that would be Allen, not Alex.
But point stands, what are those pants Allen?!
Debating on going to this car from a SS 1LE, happen to have times at autobahn full, I’m certain you are a better driver than me, but wondering how it compares.
Sorry we do not!
原来就是这个autobahn
Bro said little m2 🤣, it's a tank
This is why you can’t assume anything based on just weight. A heavier car with excellent chassis, suspension, brakes, and aero can perform better than a lighter car that’s otherwise inferior
Seems fast. Hows the transmission compares to supra. Do you drive with tc on or are you experimenting bc new car?
I usually always drive with TC fully off. But I wanted to experiment with the TC in the M2, since it is supposed to be a really advanced system that help drivers maximize performance rather than limit anything.
Transmission compares to supra feels basically identical. Nothing too exciting to note regarding that!
similar to 1:36 for gingerman ?
I would think so, yes
No comments on the steering feel or ZF responsiveness??
Talking about a steering feel is the job of automotive journalists. Racing drivers don't care about steering feel as long as it turns the front wheels, lol.
ZF felt fine, fairly standard operations. It's a little more aggressive shifting than the ZF in the Supra and has more shifting algorithms to choose from but feels similar.
@@JackieDing86 respectively disagree :) for me good steering feel makes a world of difference on track and makes oversteer correction, understeer prevention etc. much more about senses vs. intuition (your intuition is mighty fine I will say!)
It does sound like the ZF in the M2 is better than most, I wonder if it’s improved over the M4? I drove one on track and found it too slow (even to the point I was bouncing off the limiter)…
what is MTC?
M Traction Control
Or mid turn cornering
M Traction Control, it's a new standard feature on the M2, 10 stages of traction control settings that maximize traction WITHOUT using the brakes!
M Traction Control. I was it sure what it meant at first either lol
Heavy and wide tires = traction, bmw know about it, it less sportier but safer and much wuicker and easy to drive (thx to monster engine) which is important for most peoples ;-) design like from 80” ;-D,
Mmmmmm
BMW is the sponsor of Real Madrid for its uniqueness
i have a M2 and a supra -> i think you are going to find that the M2 is a very rigid platform. Great performance as stock but modifying the car is a pain... BMW made those things with no tolerance for upgrades and to make it better, you must make it worse. for instance, throwing away amazing brakes because you cant find wheels or racing tires that can fit... super painful.
Well aware of the brakes situation on the last Gen M2C and CS! One thing that’s interesting: we test fitted 18s on this new M2 and it clears the big front brakes no problem :)
@@JackieDing86 Makes sense since the Base M3 has 18 front 19 rear. Only issue was rocks trapping between wheel and caliper, and several people run 18 square.
@@JackieDing86 oh wow! that’s game changing! So the got rid of those stupid M5 calipers on the front? The M2 was always made of random parts from other cars. I think the only other thing is the weight right... Can't wait to see what you guys come up with to reduce it!
Is this car even faster than g82?
A G82 Comp might be faster thanks to the extra power, but base G82… I think it would be super close
Only a comment on the tyres: That are NOT stock PS4s. That's a special BMW Version which is closer on a Michelin Cup2 tyre than a normal PS4s. That's also the reason why you will have so much grip. So perhaps with new tyres you are not as much faster as you expect.
The M2 with the S58 engine is going to be insane. I simply don't understand why BMW made the new 2 series cars so hideous.
Try aero experiments first
Bmw designers sure makes me love the old one even more.
Eggplant emoji is all I can say
For normal owners though, 3800lbs is still going to eat through consumables
Exactly. This just isn't a car for regular track work. It will be cost too much in consumables. This is the car you own if you do one or two track days a year.
@@Bomster1 Or if you have tons and tons of money.
No more than any 4,000 pound SUV would for daily driving, and there are tons of SUV’s on the roads.
F it, let's test that theory.....put a seat in it, which should also reduce weight and add lighter wheels and tires.
We will soon!!
Seriously enjoying this video though I typically don't enjoy Jackie's videos... if he did more street cars I could be more intrigued more often.
Remember for a second we don’t get press cars to beat on like many other channels. When we get stock cars to play with, it’s either our friends’ cars or cars we had to pay money for ourselves. As much as I’d like the opportunity to drive more stock cars on track, going to our friends and saying hey can I borrow your car and go beat on it on track for a day doesn’t really work all the time lol
Great video. Want to work with you.Let’s take your passion and mix it with mine. Let’s be the best.
Is it different enough from your gr supra build? Considering they are bmw drivetrains. Was hoping to see a hot hatch gr corolla or type r build. Something different. Just feel like the M2 isn't a purpose built platform like gr supra. Might not be as suited for track use.
You say this when the car ripped an amazing lap time in just 3 laps of seat time, Internet racers are weird
@@KandiMan this is an M car. Its suppose to have factory max spec for the most performance. The GR supra is like the M car without the expensive stuff. I merely suggested he opt for somethin different than another BMW. Besides, the GR Supra is supposedly getting the same engine s58 in its final year. Basically a better M2
@@beexiong2995 S58 alone wouldn’t make the Supra a better M2, the actual M2 has a ton of M3/M4 chassis and suspension which is why it crushed the Supra times
@@KandiMan you are forgetting over 100hp more than the supra. Thats easily a second faster or more for any car. Bigger brakes, bigger tires, thats your typical M car. The supra is just a basic 340i package. With the s58 the supra would smoke the M2. These two cars are not even in the same performance league. The older M2 is closer to the supra and the supra basically is onpar with that one. This M2 has the latest and greatest.
Paddle shifters on an M car from a 330. This is downright insulting from BMW.
Hate to say it but the car looks like a scion from the outside.
Shops that will make facelift bodykits for these Lego M2s will make a killing.
No they won't. The actual people buying them enjoy the looks. It's only you guys sitting on the sidelines without build numbers in the order banks that are complaining lol
Looks way better in person, don’t change a thing lol
@@KandiMan looks even worse in person. The rear is just horrible.
A new front bumper alone that deletes the fat mustache grill would make a huge difference.
@Kandi Man seen it in person.. I beg to differ. It could grow into you but lets not deny the fact that the original M2 and even the models before it were way better than today's G series models
Congrats.. you barely found out that bmw is the better car out of the s2000 u owned and a Supra? I made the switch years ago lol
A modern BMW is inferior in many ways to the 20 year old S2000. Weight: literally 1,000 pounds heavier. Suspension design: simplistic and compromised compared to the double wishbone suspension on the s2000. Wheelbase: extra long vs quite short. Pros and cons here, but the really long wheelbase has downsides too. Obviously, it wins when it comes to stock power, stock brakes, stock suspension, etc.... It's a performance car 2 decades newer and just about double the price. However, give that S2000 a similar amount of power with a transmission that can handle it (8hp and DCT swaps are a thing now too, btw) and upgraded brakes and suspension, and you're going to see way different results.
In China,Supra has a higher MSP than M2 ,but M2 is much quicker than Supra. fortunately i did not ordered a BMW Supra,rather than a really BMW.
To bad the car looks like a brick of butter that has been left in the sun for too long. Truly vile ..